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| openstackgerrit | mizeng proposed openstack/ceilometer: Rely on VM UUID to fetch metrics in libvirt https://review.openstack.org/137517 | 01:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Support Time To Live on Event Database https://review.openstack.org/137994 | 04:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/137522 | 06:05 |
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| rainmantea | Hello Everyone, Just wanted to know the Chat room for topics like Multi-Regions / HA / Multiple Controller,Computes nodes ---Openstack | 06:17 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-officeafk, o/ I've posted some comments in the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119077/11 - I want to fix the deployer impact + typo. And I have some question about common prefix for the pollster-namespace and pollster-list - may you please clarify a little bit what kind of advantages this will give? I mean I'm not against, but I found out I do not clearly understand | 09:29 |
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| cmyster | morning | 09:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dina Belova proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add spec about central and compute agents merge https://review.openstack.org/119077 | 11:12 |
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| swamireddy_ | hi | 11:35 |
| swamireddy_ | Any one is working on ceilmeter integration with ceph (with out swift)? | 11:36 |
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| swamireddy_ | any one is interested in working on ceilometer intergration with ceph (with out swift -swift as backend)?? | 11:59 |
| eglynn | swamireddy_: pradk expressed interest in discussing this at summit | 12:03 |
| eglynn | "Discuss proposal to add metering support for Ceph Storage to incorporate metrics such as health, status, quorum_status, mon_status, iops, usage and hosts reporting." | 12:03 |
| eglynn | swamireddy_: he's not on IRC right now, but you could check with him later on whether he's planning to work on this for kilo | 12:03 |
| swamireddy_ | eglynn: Thanks...sure, will check with him. | 12:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Lena Novokshonova proposed openstack/ceilometer: [MongoDB] Add groupby ability on resource_metadata https://review.openstack.org/137626 | 12:09 |
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| swamireddy_ | eglynn: is there a blueprint created for ceph ceilometer integration?? | 12:33 |
| eglynn | swamireddy_: the first step would be a ceilometer-specs proposal on gerrit | 12:34 |
| eglynn | swamireddy_: ... and no, this has not been proposed as yet | 12:34 |
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| swamireddy_ | eglynn: OK, if that ceilometer-spec is not will create one on gerrit | 12:46 |
| eglynn | swamireddy_: cool, thanks | 12:46 |
| swamireddy_ | eglynn: OK. Thanks. | 12:46 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, jd__, are you around? | 13:18 |
| DinaBelova | I'm trying to install gnocchi lab to continue my work with opentsdb drive and I'm facing some issues | 13:19 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: yep | 13:19 |
| DinaBelova | after finelly I'v installed and run gnocchi without devstack (as sileht's change is silently not working fo me) - I just tried to ping gnocchi via curl | 13:20 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, here is the result http://paste.openstack.org/show/Jfez5vj9l67O5Yh5srzG/ | 13:20 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, may you please advice me the correct request, please? | 13:20 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: did you create the archive policy? adding -v to the curl call might give more information on the error | 13:21 |
| eglynn | jd__: you prolly need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137802/ | 13:21 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, one moment | 13:21 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ^^^ | 13:21 |
| jd__ | jd__: ah I thought the 400 were from Gnocchi but it's from Keystone? | 13:21 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: ^ | 13:21 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, yes | 13:21 |
| DinaBelova | it's from the token auth | 13:21 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: did you configure the auth token section correctly? | 13:21 |
| DinaBelova | >_< | 13:21 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, your local.conf have a nit | 13:22 |
| sileht | - instead of _ to enable gnocchi | 13:22 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, it's just -H "X-Auth-Token: e7cc83d92a2d4c869f299fb8b79835a2" | 13:22 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, a-ha! | 13:22 |
| DinaBelova | thanks! | 13:22 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, it works for nova curl for instance | 13:22 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: I meant the keystone_authtoken section in gnocchi.conf | 13:22 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, hm, probably not | 13:23 |
| jd__ | but if you have a mistake in your local.conf I guess that's no :) | 13:23 |
| jd__ | devstack should do that for you | 13:23 |
| DinaBelova | probably I need some clean devstack installation... | 13:23 |
| DinaBelova | with this fix :) | 13:23 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, jd__ - I just used the same thing as usual for devstack enabling the services | 13:23 |
| DinaBelova | I did not know it works only if enable gnocchi project itself | 13:24 |
| DinaBelova | k, cool | 13:24 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thanks for the link | 13:24 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: actually that patch isn't not relevant to your immediate problem I think | 13:26 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, but that's helpful anyway :) | 13:26 |
| DinaBelova | it was a headache when we were benchmarking :) | 13:26 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: a-ha | 13:26 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: BTW, WRT the second curl example in your paste ... IIUC you shouldn't be posting {"username": "admin", "password": "password"} directly to gnocchi | 13:27 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, that's because of the wrong conf for middleware | 13:27 |
| DinaBelova | I suoppose at least | 13:27 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ... instead send that to keystone v2/tokens *first* to retrieve the token, then pass in the usual way via the X-Auth-Token header | 13:27 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes | 13:27 |
| DinaBelova | I'll rerun devstack with nice local.conf now | 13:27 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: a-ha cool ... /me states the obvious again :) | 13:27 |
| DinaBelova | to avoid these problems | 13:27 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, lol | 13:28 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 13:28 |
| jd__ | eglynn: did you see the policy branch I sent? I saw you approved one of the last patch only | 13:31 |
| eglynn | jd__: a-ha, yeah, I see you've new versions of the create/get/delete entity policy patches up also ... will go thru' those as well shortly | 13:33 |
| jd__ | k | 13:34 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, hm | 13:43 |
| DinaBelova | modifying the local.conf did not help :) | 13:43 |
| DinaBelova | I guess I need to grab somehow the errors if they were there.... | 13:44 |
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| sileht | DinaBelova, a paste with the devstack will help | 13:46 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, sorry? What paste? With all devstacl logs/ | 13:48 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, yes | 13:50 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, /me in progress | 13:51 |
| DinaBelova | rerunning the devstack with logs forwarded to the file | 13:51 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, cool thank | 13:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer: [MongoDB] Fix bug with 'bad' chars in metadatas keys https://review.openstack.org/121003 | 13:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: ceilometer: remove useless variables from dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/138069 | 13:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: Rename Entity to Metric https://review.openstack.org/138070 | 13:58 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, ah, one moment | 14:00 |
| DinaBelova | I guess I know where is the issue | 14:00 |
| DinaBelova | let me check | 14:00 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, what line should I set in the local.conf to enable gnocchi? enable gnocchi-api or enable gnocchi_api? | 14:02 |
| DinaBelova | at the very first time I had '-' - and it was nothing as well | 14:05 |
| sileht | it should be 'enable_service gnocchi-api' | 14:06 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, i was talked about the - in enable-service taht should enable_service | 14:07 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, agrh, I messed my mistake in the command with mistake in the service name | 14:07 |
| DinaBelova | yeah | 14:07 |
| DinaBelova | I got it | 14:07 |
| DinaBelova | lol | 14:08 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, may ypu please review the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119077/ ? :) | 14:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Lena Novokshonova proposed openstack/ceilometer: [MongoDB] Add groupby ability on resource_metadata https://review.openstack.org/137626 | 14:25 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, http://paste.openstack.org/show/hiqRr1RTot2htTqhUWbS/ | 14:26 |
| DinaBelova | :( | 14:26 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, seems something wrong with auth I will take a look | 14:27 |
| DinaBelova | sileht. one minute, I'll send you devstack logs as well | 14:27 |
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| DinaBelova | I've collected them here as well | 14:28 |
| sileht | cool | 14:28 |
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| * sileht bet on a issue when wsgi is enabled (that the devstack default now) | 14:33 | |
| DinaBelova | sileht, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByRtVrZu5ifzRFQ3RlhCbG5qRXc/view?usp=sharing | 14:33 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, probably, dunno :( | 14:34 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, thank | 14:34 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, np | 14:34 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, here it is http://paste.openstack.org/show/5bObS5IJKMfOBj7vrDHb/ | 14:34 |
| sileht | hum i have already fixed this issue... | 14:37 |
| DinaBelova | ok, let me download the latest pathc set | 14:39 |
| DinaBelova | I have not the last one | 14:39 |
| DinaBelova | but it was smth new as well | 14:39 |
| DinaBelova | when did you fix it? | 14:40 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, on friday | 14:40 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, I've downloaded it friday morning | 14:41 |
| DinaBelova | damn it | 14:41 |
| DinaBelova | ok, thanks | 14:41 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, you need a very recent gnocchi version too | 14:41 |
| DinaBelova | well, devstack is downloadidn the last one | 14:41 |
| DinaBelova | downloading* | 14:41 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, the format of the granularity have changed 1 or 2 week ago | 14:41 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, yeah, got it.... | 14:42 |
| DinaBelova | thanks! | 14:42 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, i have synced devstack onfriday | 14:42 |
| DinaBelova | ok, cool | 14:42 |
| sileht | welcome | 14:42 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, /me started once more :D | 14:45 |
| tongli | hi, folks, can anyone please look into this patchset? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109853/ | 14:45 |
| tongli | rebased endless times already. | 14:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest, indexer: allow the {user,project}_id to be empty https://review.openstack.org/137802 | 14:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest: implement policy check for create entity https://review.openstack.org/136276 | 14:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: policy: change default rules https://review.openstack.org/137801 | 14:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest: add policy for delete entity https://review.openstack.org/136272 | 14:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest: add policy support for get entity https://review.openstack.org/136273 | 14:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lena Novokshonova proposed openstack/ceilometer: [MongoDB] Add groupby ability on resource_metadata https://review.openstack.org/137626 | 15:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: ceilometer: remove useless variables from dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/138069 | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: Rename Entity to Metric https://review.openstack.org/138070 | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, currently I have the lab... I've created new archive_policy successfully | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, .. but could not perform entity creation | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, I've used curl -i 'http://0.0.0.0:8041/v1/entity' -X POST -H "X-Auth-Token: f37446bea5fa44e6ab073d97064c79da" -H t:Type: application/json" -d '{"archive_policy": "low"}' | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | and I see only 127.0.0.1 - - [01/Dec/2014 15:25:38] "POST /v1/entity HTTP/1.1" 400 244 in the gnocchi api logs | 15:28 |
| mriedem | is there anything in the ceilometer docs/readmes that says you need to install mongodb to run the unit tests? | 15:28 |
| mriedem | i've been seeing new people trip over that | 15:28 |
| mriedem | but not seeing any docs in tree | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, oh | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | one moment | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | some typos | 15:30 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, i still have a issue with non admin user | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | me is admin here | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | just typo in the curl | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | on moment | 15:30 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, and i can post measure too (even with admin) | 15:31 |
| sileht | seems to be a gnocchi side issue | 15:31 |
| sileht | i have stopped my investigation on that on friday | 15:31 |
| eglynn | mriedem: fair point, I don't think think that requirement is clearly documented ... the relevant tests should be skipped if the backend is missing | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Exclude tools/lintstack.head.py for pep8 check https://review.openstack.org/137918 | 15:31 |
| sileht | but twraking the policy file by putting admin everywhere workaround my issue | 15:32 |
| mriedem | eglynn: ok, there are like 84 failures w/o mongodb installed, but sure | 15:32 |
| mriedem | eglynn: i was thinking about just pushing a simple README.rst in the tests directory to say 'install mongodb or else' | 15:33 |
| mriedem | that can have a TODO to skip tests that require mongodb but it's not installed | 15:33 |
| eglynn | mriedem: please do! | 15:33 |
| mriedem | ATC here i come | 15:33 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, :( http://paste.openstack.org/show/0PoGmm6kmwJ6K9IcuusK/ | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | ;( | 15:35 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, hum the user id and project id of the entity seems missing | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | ehm, should I pass smth else except X-Auth-Token ? | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | I don;t think so... | 15:37 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, oh yes keystone middleware should have set them | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | yes, it think so as well... | 15:38 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, perhaps you have old configuration stuff (from previous devstack patchset) | 15:38 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, like an empty api middlewares list | 15:39 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, where should I check it? | 15:39 |
| sileht | if yes just removed the ligne from gnocchi.conf (it will take the default) | 15:39 |
| sileht | ligne/line | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | I have line middlewares = | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | I guess I need to remove it | 15:40 |
| sileht | DinaBelova, yes | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:40 |
| sileht | I was disabled keystone in previous version | 15:41 |
| sileht | put now the dispather is able to make the auth so i have reenable it | 15:42 |
| sileht | put/but | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | sileht, now I have not working keystone :D | 15:42 |
| sileht | :) | 15:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Support Pagination for Alarm and Metring database https://review.openstack.org/138102 | 15:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest, indexer: allow the {user,project}_id to be empty https://review.openstack.org/137802 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest: implement policy check for create entity https://review.openstack.org/136276 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: policy: change default rules https://review.openstack.org/137801 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest: add policy for delete entity https://review.openstack.org/136272 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: rest: add policy support for get entity https://review.openstack.org/136273 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed stackforge/gnocchi: indexer: fix typo in docstring https://review.openstack.org/138103 | 15:51 |
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| DinaBelova | sileht, and not working VM at all.... | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | something killed my nice VM ;( | 16:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add simple README to tests directory https://review.openstack.org/138112 | 16:17 |
| mriedem | jjfreric: ^ | 16:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/ceilometer: Add simple README to tests directory https://review.openstack.org/138112 | 16:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: indexer: fix typo in docstring https://review.openstack.org/138103 | 16:33 |
| jjfreric | mriedem: Thanks! | 16:33 |
| jjfreric | Unfortunately, I still have the same errors in my log. I was wondering if anyone had come across messages like this in the past when running Tox on a ceilometer project? There are a lot of errors, but the first few are regarding "MismatchError: 'ok' != 'insufficient data'". Any idea what that could mean? Here is the full log in case you need more info (I'm mainly talking about line 80): http://pastebin.com/p4MG6669: | 16:35 |
| jjfreric | Added a colon to the end of that link. My bad: http://pastebin.com/p4MG6669 | 16:37 |
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| gordc | fwiw, we added to docs already: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/contributing/source.html?highlight=mongodb#running-the-tests ... i guess our docs are either too long and/or too disorganised. | 16:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | litong01 proposed openstack/ceilometer: add http dispatcher https://review.openstack.org/109853 | 16:44 |
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| tongli | Can anyone please look at the patchset above. | 16:52 |
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| ildikov | gordc: it's too long for a developer docco IMHO :) | 17:11 |
| ildikov | gordc: ... and therefore the organiztaion is not the best either | 17:12 |
| clarkb | fwiw you don't need step 3 there if using tox | 17:12 |
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| jjfreric | Has anyone come across the error "MismatchError: 'ok' != 'insufficient data'" when running tox on ceilometer? I'm guessing it has to do with something I don't have installed, or some other environment issue. Line 80: http://pastebin.com/p4MG6669 | 17:23 |
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| fabiog | gordc: ping | 17:29 |
| swamireddy_ | eglynn: pradk not joined on this room. can you share him email id...so that I can contact with him on email. | 17:40 |
| eglynn | swamireddy_: see https://launchpad.net/~pkilambi | 17:41 |
| swamireddy_ | eglynn: Thank you..will ping him | 17:42 |
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| gordc | fabiog: sorry. went for lunch. whatsup? | 17:55 |
| fabiog | gordc: I was reviewing the spec regarding deprecating existence status ... not sure it will work for billing | 17:58 |
| gordc | fabiog: hmmm why's taht? | 17:59 |
| fabiog | gordc: usually you have to have this datapoints not only to ensure the resource is allocated and active, but also as validation for the bill content | 17:59 |
| fabiog | gordc: if you are billing with a granularity of 1hr, for instance, you have to have records that shows that the resource was allocated to the customer every hr | 18:00 |
| gordc | fabiog: but you'd still have the datapoint... they just wouldn't be displayed as a sample | 18:00 |
| fabiog | gordc: but now it is very difficult to perform aggregation and computation for the billing | 18:00 |
| fabiog | gordc: because some of the data is in samples and some in events | 18:00 |
| gordc | ... what aggregation/computation do you do when the volume always equals '1'? | 18:01 |
| fabiog | gordc: let me give you an example so you can understand if I understood the proposed change | 18:01 |
| gordc | sure | 18:01 |
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| fabiog | gordc: a customer brings up an instance. So now you get a set of notifications stored as samples | 18:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Phil Neal proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: configuration via data store https://review.openstack.org/127086 | 18:02 |
| gordc | ok | 18:02 |
| fabiog | gordc: then, the user uses the instance for a full week. On the last day around noon turns it off. So you get notifications of the shutting down as samples. | 18:02 |
| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Support ceilometer-url and os-endpoint https://review.openstack.org/137486 | 18:02 |
| fabiog | gordc: but all the existence data for the 6 days at 1hr interval is going to be stored as events | 18:02 |
| fabiog | gordc: is that right? | 18:03 |
| gordc | yes | 18:03 |
| gordc | or we just won't build the existence meters anymore... just store the original notificaiton. | 18:04 |
| fabiog | gordc: usually in a billing system you will aggregate all the sample data: start, exist and stop to find out the entrire period | 18:04 |
| fabiog | gordc: but now I have to dig data from different sources and potential different db to find out my overall usage. This will break a lot of existing billing systems | 18:04 |
| gordc | fabiog: ok. it would technically be even easier now since all the real data isn't hidden in the metadata of the sample | 18:05 |
| gordc | fabiog: yeah, the data could be in two different places... but the idea is to stop having meters that aren't actually measuring anything. | 18:06 |
| fabiog | gordc: they are measuring. The fact that they state that something exists is a very important metric | 18:06 |
| gordc | fabiog: in the spec, i did leave the option to just disable meters by default and allow people to continue as is if they felt like it. | 18:07 |
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| gordc | it's not stating something exists. it's stating that we received a notifcation that matched it's build criteria. | 18:07 |
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| fabiog | gordc: but isn't this the case for Nova that sends its instance existance at 1hr, 1day, 1month or 1year interval? | 18:08 |
| gordc | fabiog: sure. | 18:08 |
| gordc | fabiog: i think my problem is volume=1 means nothing. and for samples.. it should mean something. | 18:09 |
| fabiog | gordc: that is an important measure, probably the most important from a billing standpoint | 18:09 |
| gordc | else we're aggregating for no reason. | 18:09 |
| gordc | fabiog: agreed... and it's still available... in events | 18:09 |
| gordc | and gnocchi will always update resource if state changes. | 18:10 |
| fabiog | gordc: I really don't see the need to move this outside samples and break existing solutions to save space ... Polling is way worst that existence notifications because it keep retrieving the same data | 18:12 |
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| fabiog | gordc: moreover the new API in Gnocchi don't even have a concept of events (as far as I have seen) | 18:12 |
| gordc | fabiog: ... the spec doesn't involve polling | 18:13 |
| gordc | yes... gnocchi is time series measurements... events are not part of it. | 18:13 |
| fabiog | gordc: right, but if your concern is to save space and data repetition that is the biggest culprit :-) | 18:13 |
| gordc | my concern is volume=1 doesn't make any sense... :) | 18:14 |
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| gordc | ie. look at horizon stats right now for instance... they don't make any sense. | 18:14 |
| fabiog | gordc: this is something that Horizon should fix. | 18:14 |
| gordc | and again... the option for continuing the samples way is still there. i'm just making it so events is considered the wiser choice | 18:15 |
| fabiog | gordc: but I would like to have it the other way around. Default is the status quo, so you don't break backward compatibility and if you want to move existence notifications to events you can configure that | 18:16 |
| gordc | yes... but also it happened because the meter is confusing itself... if you give tell someone this is a meter, here is the volume... they generally assume that value means something | 18:16 |
| gordc | fabiog: i'm not changing the user's pipeline... if they have something. they'll continue to get that. | 18:16 |
| fabiog | gordc: well by default you are sending existence notifications to events and that is not what currently happens | 18:17 |
| gordc | fabiog: it does happen actually... it just also converts them into samples as well | 18:18 |
| fabiog | gordc: moreover, why having the current options of sending alll the notifications to events is not enought? | 18:18 |
| gordc | as is. if you turn on store_events.. you get teh existence event and existence sample... both... | 18:18 |
| fabiog | gordc: and what has this to do with gnocchi? | 18:18 |
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| gordc | ...so when we get a notification right now... we build x amount of different samples from it depending on the notifcation event_type | 18:20 |
| gordc | but we also store them as events. (if you switch the option on) | 18:20 |
| fabiog | gordc: right | 18:20 |
| gordc | i'm not proposing to redirect anything. | 18:20 |
| fabiog | gordc: so are you saying that if you turn on events you will not get the samples anymore? | 18:21 |
| gordc | no.. you'll get both | 18:21 |
| fabiog | gordc: with your proposal | 18:21 |
| gordc | no... i'm proposing by default... if you have no previous environment, you will get them as events... but if you feel inclined, you can get them as samples as well | 18:22 |
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| fabiog | gordc: so why breaking existing behavior and not just adding as a further option for events that are turned off by default | 18:24 |
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| fabiog | gordc: it would be really awkward that you have events off but still get existence notifications as such ... | 18:24 |
| gordc | maybe it'd be easier to see your use case to see if it can be covered in events.... right now when you use existence samples, what do you do? you query for instance meters, go into metadata and find status field? | 18:24 |
| gordc | again, i'm not breaking existing behaviour, i'm proposing if you start fresh, completely new, you would get a different setup | 18:25 |
| fabiog | gordc: and for people that have Ceilometer deployed they will need to change settings to maintain what they today ... and re-deploy | 18:26 |
| fabiog | they do today | 18:27 |
| gordc | fabiog: no... because they have a pipeline.yaml configuration already... so they'll still get exactly the same meters | 18:27 |
| gordc | if they grabbed the default copy and reloaded it for whatever reason, then just it'd change... but that has happened many times already so i'm not sure what the issue is now. | 18:28 |
| gordc | "then yes* it'd change" | 18:28 |
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| fabiog | gordc: to me it does not make sense to route some notifications as events and some as meters. A deployer should have the ability of selecting what goes where. Currently events are turned off and there is a config file that allows to select which notifications should go into events | 18:35 |
| fabiog | gordc: why can't you just set to be those notifications to be sent as events and remove them from the pipeline, wouldn't that achieve the same result? | 18:36 |
| gordc | fabiog: it's not an either/or scenario here. you can have both. | 18:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: policy: change default rules https://review.openstack.org/137801 | 18:37 |
| fabiog | gordc: yes but now basically you are turning events on by default only for some kind of events when before I had no events at all | 18:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: rest: add policy for delete entity https://review.openstack.org/136272 | 18:37 |
| gordc | it's an option? you can not have events on? | 18:38 |
| fabiog | gordc: yes | 18:38 |
| gordc | i don't understand the 'what can't you...' comment... ccould you reword it? | 18:38 |
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| gordc | fabiog: oh that wasn't a question. i meant, you can leave you conf file as is and keep events off | 18:39 |
| fabiog | gordc: if I install a Ceilo wtth all the default settings I get notifications as samples but not as events ... | 18:39 |
| fabiog | right? | 18:39 |
| gordc | yes. | 18:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: rest: add policy support for get entity https://review.openstack.org/136273 | 18:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: rest: implement policy check for create entity https://review.openstack.org/136276 | 18:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/gnocchi: rest, indexer: allow the {user,project}_id to be empty https://review.openstack.org/137802 | 18:40 |
| fabiog | ok, so what I could do is to set events on and list the notifications that are existence to be saved as events, right? | 18:40 |
| gordc | sure. i'll add them to event_definition file but yeah. | 18:41 |
| gordc | well it's not existence notifcations specifically. | 18:42 |
| gordc | you know the existence meters are built exclusively from *.exits notifications right? | 18:42 |
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| fabiog | yes, it is "instance" related notifications | 18:42 |
| fabiog | or other things like that | 18:42 |
| gordc | right | 18:42 |
| gordc | so right now, if you turn on events. you get events and you get whatever samples associated with notification... so we get one notifcation, and we build x samples and y events from it. | 18:43 |
| fabiog | right | 18:44 |
| gordc | that's what happens for every single notification... (sometimes no samples are built) | 18:44 |
| fabiog | but if you remove the meter from the pipeline | 18:44 |
| fabiog | you will get only events | 18:44 |
| gordc | yes. but you'll have it in your pipeline... because you already have a pipeline.yaml | 18:45 |
| fabiog | this seems to me more of a problem of granularity. You want the ability of selecting specific type of notifications to be filtered in as events and filtered out as samples | 18:46 |
| gordc | this is more because i think those samples make no sense. :) | 18:46 |
| fabiog | and currently since you can only specify the meter name it does not give you that... did I capture it correclty? | 18:46 |
| gordc | how do you use those samples currently? just out of curiosity? | 18:46 |
| fabiog | gordc: when we aggregate we look for the time interval samples and then we validate that they are the same, but the aggregation works with the samples. | 18:47 |
| fabiog | think about it. If I have a customer that has an instance running for a full month and it was created 2 months ago | 18:48 |
| fabiog | I will have 0 samples for that instance | 18:48 |
| gordc | ... why would you have zero samples? | 18:49 |
| fabiog | because you will have moved all the existence samples to events | 18:49 |
| gordc | let's ignore my scenario right now | 18:49 |
| gordc | i just wanted to understand your current use case as is. | 18:50 |
| gordc | you collect all 'instance' samples for a resource i assume? | 18:50 |
| fabiog | right, so if I bill monthly and I have a daily existence notification, i will have 30 samples of instance for the tenant | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | ZhiQiang Fan proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Add apiclient to openstack-common.conf and sync to latest https://review.openstack.org/137309 | 18:51 |
| gordc | ok. | 18:51 |
| fabiog | then I can aggregate these for the full month creating the bill | 18:51 |
| fabiog | if the customer complains, I have the data supporting that the instance was running that day | 18:51 |
| gordc | when you say 'aggregate' what do you mean... | 18:51 |
| gordc | there's a lot of different values you could aggregate on. | 18:51 |
| fabiog | because no shutdown or other stop events appened and that means it was allocated to the tenant | 18:52 |
| fabiog | well for instance is time meaning for how long it was running | 18:52 |
| fabiog | so I need to know it was running for 24h on day X | 18:52 |
| fabiog | and the existence notification does exactly that | 18:53 |
| fabiog | it rubber stamps it | 18:53 |
| gordc | so what value are you aggregating on? or are you just checking that a sample exists? | 18:54 |
| fabiog | If the sample is the 24h I can even aggregate that, because each one represents a full day of usage | 18:54 |
| fabiog | and it is really simple | 18:55 |
| fabiog | there are customers that reserve instances and all of these are billed like that... Months after months... | 18:55 |
| gordc | when you say 'that' what is that exactly... i mean, there's a bunch of attributes in a sample. | 18:56 |
| gordc | and from what i can tell. none of those values represent usage | 18:57 |
| fabiog | the instance type is theone that is used, but is the sample that tells me the instance existed for the full hr or day | 18:59 |
| fabiog | the metadata may not change at all | 19:01 |
| gordc | fabiog: right... the metadata should stay the same for the most part... aside from status | 19:02 |
| gordc | so i think you're aggregating on another static value. | 19:02 |
| fabiog | gordc: I have to jump in a meeting. we can continue later on. | 19:02 |
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