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| openstackgerrit | Luo Gangyi proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add hardware memory buffer and cache metrics https://review.openstack.org/167103 | 04:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: rest: add a test for measures with no mean agg method in AP https://review.openstack.org/175321 | 07:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: rest: add a test for measures with no mean agg method in AP https://review.openstack.org/175321 | 08:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Replace 'metrics' with 'meters' in option and doc https://review.openstack.org/171913 | 08:43 |
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| cdent | jd__, sileht: Is there any value in me pursuing this (and does what I’ve written there make any sense): https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/cdent-rhat/GnocchiPersistentQueries | 09:41 |
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| jd__ | cdent: I see the point of having a caching mechanism on queries, but I doubt we want to store them, use templates etc… I don't think it's a problem we want to solve server-side | 10:14 |
| cdent | Huh. It seems so much more friendly then spewing a bunch of noise at the server every time you want to make the nearly-the-same-but-not-quite request to the server | 10:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Transformers for events pipeline. https://review.openstack.org/162167 | 10:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vadim Rovachev proposed openstack/ceilometer: Move all tests to different folders https://review.openstack.org/160827 | 13:15 |
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| cdent | gordc on "i wonder how we can achieve that? we definitely need to move toward that." let's gossip about that later tonight if you're around? | 13:45 |
| gordc | cdent: dammit. i'm missing meeting.lol | 13:45 |
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| gordc | cdent: sounds good. | 13:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Romain Soufflet proposed openstack/gnocchi: Remove version constraints for oslo.db dependency https://review.openstack.org/175872 | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Romain Soufflet proposed openstack/gnocchi: Remove version constraints for oslo.db dependency https://review.openstack.org/175872 | 14:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: Fix minimum version for keystonemiddleware https://review.openstack.org/175879 | 14:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: remove deprecated partitioned alarm service https://review.openstack.org/175578 | 14:27 |
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| gentux | Hi, I don't understand gate errors here : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175872/ | 14:41 |
| gentux | Should I recheck ? | 14:41 |
| gentux | Well, 3 other patchs have the same errors, I guess the gate is sick | 14:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Update README to work with release tools https://review.openstack.org/175918 | 14:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Update README to work with release tools https://review.openstack.org/175920 | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | gentux: there is already another patch with that oslo.db fix and that's blocked because of the global-requirement cap on other projects… :( | 15:27 |
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| gentux | jd__: … well… when will we be able to change requirements ? We just have to wait ? | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | gentux: yeah… | 15:33 |
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| edmondsw | gordc, I see that the 2 ceilometerclient changes I'd made in master have now been merged back to stable/kilo.. tx! Will we be releasing 1.0.14 today then? | 15:35 |
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| gordc | edmondsw: yes, we'll look at cutting 1.0.14 for stable/kilo. just need to sync with release team. | 15:38 |
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| cdent | gordc: about that gossip? | 17:51 |
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| Guest36438 | Hi , where does ceilometer stores its sample ? In Kilo , I see database ceilometer, But in version prior to Kilo like June and icehouse, I dont see the databse ceilometer. Does any one has any pointers ? | 19:49 |
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| gordc | Guest36438: what backend are you using? for the most part, nothing has changed in Kilo (except events can be in it's own db now and ElasticSearch is a driver option) | 19:53 |
| gordc | nothing has chnaged in regards to db support i mean* | 19:53 |
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| Guest36438 | I am using sql DB | 20:26 |
| Guest36438 | as per configuration , I see MariaDB | 20:26 |
| Guest36438 | looks that before KILO , it was it was storing in mongoDB and from KILO it started to store in SQL DB too . Please correct me if I am wrong | 20:26 |
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| gordc | Guest36438: i guess it depends on what is defined in your ceilometer.conf file. | 20:46 |
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| Guest36438 | gordc , yes you are correct. ceilometer.conf controls it :) | 20:48 |
| Guest36438 | Thanks | 20:48 |
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| cdent | gordc: you still about? | 21:21 |
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| gordc | cdent: yep | 21:23 |
| gordc | why are you?lol | 21:23 |
| cdent | I went away for a few hours, it seemed fair to come back and check in | 21:24 |
| cdent | on that "how we gonna do it stuff" | 21:24 |
| gordc | sure | 21:25 |
| cdent | It's a good question but relates well to something else I wanted to talk withyou about: | 21:25 |
| cdent | Which is basically around taking solid action to address the image problem that ceilo has. | 21:26 |
| cdent | I think we need to go into summit with a pretty strong sense of "this cycle that's what we're working on" | 21:26 |
| gordc | aside from gnocchi? | 21:26 |
| cdent | And something like declarative pollsters would be visible evidence of "we're _actually_ changing stuff" | 21:26 |
| cdent | yeah, because gnocchi is just one of about 5 or so unique features that the ceilo environment provides | 21:27 |
| gordc | is the image we have that we're not doing anything? | 21:27 |
| cdent | The image is that ceilo is not particularly useful and/or broken. | 21:28 |
| cdent | And so mired in architectural and tech debt that there's no way out. | 21:28 |
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| cdent | And the only way to counter that image is to be make strong visible motions. | 21:28 |
| cdent | Figuring out what those motions are is what I think job one is gonna have to be at summit. Or at least one of the job ones. | 21:29 |
| gordc | tbh, i recognise the image issue. but i'd like to avoid making moves just because logic. | 21:31 |
| cdent | ENOPARSE | 21:31 |
| gordc | that said, yeah, we should probably have some targets (for ops sessions) | 21:32 |
| gordc | i assume stuff will get added/remove based on that session | 21:32 |
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| cdent | What does "i'd like to avoid making moves just because logic" mean? | 21:33 |
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| gordc | "i'd like to avoid making moves just because logic" = "i want there to be a reason/use case for the stuff we do... and the reason shouldn't be: 'to appease the people who say it's broke with no reason'" | 21:35 |
| cdent | Have you had a chance to read the etherpad I linked to my proposed session yet? There's that, and there's also: doing things like declarative pollsters will be easier if we've made a statement up front saying "we're working on rearchitecting stuff for long term flexibility, so we're going to hold off on adding new features to the old stuff" | 21:37 |
| gordc | do you have the link handy? | 21:38 |
| cdent | So we have _lots_ reasons lying around all over the place, we don't need to be doing things in reaction to people moaning, but they still get to see that change is afoot. | 21:38 |
| cdent | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilo-multi-identity | 21:38 |
| gordc | personally i think we control/dictate too much of what we collect and 'declarative pollsters' might add flexibility | 21:39 |
| cdent | Yes, exactly. And we dictate too much of what we give what we collect to. If we make pollsters both declarative _and_ separate it becomes a healthy member of a big ecosystems, not a thing encumbered inside a thing called ceilometer that _some_ people don't care for | 21:40 |
| cdent | the power in the pollsters is something that is pretty unique to ceilometer, something that lots of people want | 21:41 |
| cdent | but they have trouble stomaching the rest | 21:41 |
| gordc | well keep in mind, ideally we don't poll. it's one of the complaints of ceilometer (ie. we hit apis way too hard) | 21:42 |
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| cdent | again, that's yet another reason to make it clearly declarative and configurable and piecemeal | 21:43 |
| cdent | on the hitting apis too hard: I have an ongoing conversation with sdague about about moving a lot of the compute-agent's activities into nova itself, but it is slow going as (like everyone else) nova has a lot of other fish to fry | 21:44 |
| gordc | by declarative/configurable/piecemeal you mean at a level even before the pipeline? | 21:45 |
| cdent | Anyway: These details aren't something I think we could or should resolve before summit, I just want us (we the ceilometer folk as a group) to have the chance to actually and actively work on these issues as our primary task at summit, if that's at all possible. I don't feel like there's sufficient urgency about fixing it. | 21:46 |
| cdent | The pipeline weirdly conflates a lot of features in one place. | 21:46 |
| cdent | "fixing it": where "it" is ceilometer's architecture | 21:47 |
| gordc | "fixing it" is way too general statement. i don't know how to fix all of 'it/ceilometer's architecture' | 21:50 |
| cdent | Exactly. That's why we need to talk about it (and mostly it) at summit. | 21:51 |
| cdent | Because lots of people have been making vague statements about stuff that's not right for a long time. We need to pick and choose amongst those for some that matter, and make them less vauge. | 21:51 |
| cdent | And then get on with it. | 21:51 |
| cdent | use the toilet or evacuate the stall so to speak | 21:52 |
| gordc | "lots of people have been making vague statements about stuff that's not right for a long time"... i don't have enough space to list examples | 21:53 |
| gordc | i think one problem is that a lot of people like to "drop a grenade and walk away"? it's very hard to fix stuff that's not possible to follow up on. | 21:56 |
| gordc | which is why i'm happy we have the ops session. | 21:56 |
| cdent | True, that would be a long list. But each of us has been listening to different people and heard different emphasis and we all have different ideas about what needs to change. All I'm saying is "let's try to get on a similar (and relatively short) page". | 21:57 |
| cdent | To that the ops session will be a critical piece of input, but we'll also need quite a bit of time to shoot the shit in reflecion of that input. | 21:57 |
| gordc | sure. one good thing is the ops session is first so we technically have the working sessions for us to discuss it. | 21:58 |
| gordc | do you want your etherpad stuff as a topic for this weeks meeting? just to get people thinking on where they want ceilometer to go? | 21:59 |
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| cdent | I guess that would be useful. I just don't want to come out of summit feeling like we don't have a somewhat unified vision on where we're going. | 22:00 |
| gordc | tbh, i don't want to say "it's open source" but ... | 22:01 |
| cdent | open source projects have visions/plans/goals/roadmaps | 22:01 |
| cdent | and in any case openstack if EnterpriseOpenSource, which is something entirely in its own class. | 22:02 |
| gordc | lol yes it is... fortune500 open source is a beast of it's own | 22:03 |
| cdent | a rough beast slouching | 22:04 |
| cdent | So anyway, to bring this back to the original question: | 22:04 |
| cdent | The way we get declarative polling is: by saying we're going to. | 22:05 |
| gordc | you assigning yourself to it? :) | 22:05 |
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| cdent | I'd love to do it but see above about EnterpriseOpenSource, need to see if I'm "allowed". Do I have an itch? Yes! Can I scratch? Dunno! | 22:06 |
| gordc | lol don't ask questions! | 22:07 |
| cdent | Thus the desire for conversation about it. I want to get buy in and support for the notion that "big changes are required or ceilo gonna fizzle". | 22:08 |
| gordc | for the declarative pollster. you should probably have a design proposal... i feel like that will be a large (controversial) change. | 22:10 |
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| cdent | This is part of what I'm trying to figure out: Do I need to show up with meaty proposals for the many different ideas I can think of as _possible_ ways to make some headway? I'd like to think that we could be a bit more collaborative and brainstormy. | 22:12 |
| cdent | In large part because most of my ideas can be boiled back to "replace it all with stuff that makes the existing[1] functional tests still pass" | 22:13 |
| cdent | [1] oh, whoops | 22:13 |
| cdent | So my ideas need to be tempered by someone who is a both a bit less drastic and also more experienced with ceilo and its history. | 22:14 |
| gordc | i think the brainstorm part is ideal but the summits are so hectic usually that it's not possible. | 22:14 |
| cdent | weird. shouldn't that be the entire point? That's the only time we get together. | 22:14 |
| gordc | i would say definitely don't come with just a problem... have a possible answer as well | 22:15 |
| gordc | yeah i guess that's why they started doing midcycles | 22:15 |
| gordc | which themselves became arguably unproductive | 22:15 |
| gordc | the summit is chaos though... it's like a casino... just sounds and flashing lights | 22:16 |
| cdent | great, I'm going to die | 22:16 |
| cdent | or at least kill | 22:16 |
| cdent | probably both | 22:16 |
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| gordc | both is probably for the best. canadian prisons are old as hell. | 22:17 |
| cdent | I will disappear into the yukon valley | 22:18 |
| cdent | after a short stop at squamish | 22:18 |
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| gordc | i guess that's ok. it'll be warmer then. | 22:19 |
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| gordc | cdent: heading home. ttyl. | 22:23 |
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| cdent | roger, thanks for the chat | 22:23 |
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