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| openstackgerrit | Lianhao Lu proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Declarative snmp metric pollster https://review.openstack.org/178057 | 05:07 |
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| fabian4_ | stevebaker, hello, i have a "Max retries exceeded with url: /v2/alarms (Caused by <class 'httplib.BadStatusLine'>: '') | 06:35 |
| fabian4_ | " do you help me? | 06:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Add ceilometerclient support for api-no-pipeline https://review.openstack.org/195515 | 07:00 |
| therve | So what's the hell happening with swift gate job? | 07:01 |
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| liusheng | gordc: ping | 09:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen proposed openstack/ceilometer: Initial PowerVM Package Structure https://review.openstack.org/195818 | 11:46 |
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| gordc | anyone know what's up with the swift gate test | 12:34 |
| gordc | nm. googled. | 12:37 |
| cdent | gordc: https://review.openstack.org/195940 | 12:40 |
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| gordc | cdent: cool cool | 12:43 |
| cdent | i can't figure out why swift needs 90 additional headers | 12:44 |
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| cdent | but hey | 12:44 |
| * gordc leaves people like you to worry about api | 12:44 | |
| cdent | Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die: | 12:45 |
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| cdent | gordc: some first notes that prad and I working on are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-liberty-midcycle | 12:45 |
| cdent | that's just me so far, prad is going to join in a bit later | 12:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Aleksey Ripinen proposed openstack/ceilometer: Query statistics function for sql https://review.openstack.org/189673 | 12:48 |
| gordc | cdent: pretty thorough. | 12:49 |
| gordc | are we just planning it as a one day thing? | 12:49 |
| cdent | I don't that's been decided and I'm not sure how to decide that | 12:49 |
| cdent | there's a missing "think" or "know" or something in there | 12:50 |
| cdent | I thought perhaps if we had more data that would allow us to determine if people _want_ it to be multiple days | 12:51 |
| cdent | and if they do we'll just propose that and go from there | 12:51 |
| gordc | seems like a lot of possible ideas. | 12:51 |
| cdent | Yes, thus the voting | 12:52 |
| cdent | If you see down at the bottom in the notes section there's a bit about guaging commitment | 12:52 |
| cdent | if there isn't any, then fine, we'll just muddle along | 12:52 |
| cdent | because we can't create it, it has to exist (even if just in nascent form) | 12:53 |
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| gordc | cdent: i'm adding 'schematisation' just for shits. | 12:54 |
| cdent | oh dear god | 12:54 |
| gordc | cdent: i just gave you a day worth of wasted time. | 12:54 |
| cdent | since you're here at the moment maybe you can explain something to me: why do we on the ceilometer side care about schematisation? Why not just store whatever we're given and let the services worry about such things? | 12:55 |
| gordc | cdent: for me, i think we need a min set because our apis rely on certain data to be there for it to work (or be useful) | 12:56 |
| cdent | but that's not schema | 12:56 |
| gordc | ie. if we don't have resource_id, the datapoint is useless. | 12:57 |
| cdent | that's "we need the following to be there" | 12:57 |
| cdent | the rest of it is moot | 12:57 |
| cdent | and if the required stuff is not there, drop on floor | 12:57 |
| cdent | no biggie | 12:57 |
| gordc | well it's sort of schema. to me it defines not just placement but also content | 12:57 |
| cdent | okay, but as soon as you say schema the following thing happen: | 12:57 |
| cdent | * versions | 12:57 |
| gordc | which is why for me versionedobjects isn't the full solution. | 12:57 |
| cdent | * let's make a detailed by for everything | 12:58 |
| cdent | neither of which should be of any relevance to just storing some stuff | 12:58 |
| cdent | s/detailed by/detailed plan/ | 12:58 |
| gordc | sure. but ideally you want to ensure youre storing something useful... not just blindly storing garbage. | 12:58 |
| cdent | that's my question: why is that ceilometer's concern | 12:59 |
| gordc | i think ceilometer should be less of a dump. | 12:59 |
| cdent | if someone wants to store garbage we should let them | 12:59 |
| gordc | more recycling plant? | 12:59 |
| cdent | why? | 12:59 |
| gordc | because we already store garbage with the volume=1 metrics | 12:59 |
| cdent | so? | 12:59 |
| * cdent is five years old | 12:59 | |
| gordc | i'm pretty sure that garbage is why people are seeing 20GB/min | 13:00 |
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| cdent | so? | 13:00 |
| gordc | people be stupid.lol | 13:00 |
| gordc | you have to put restrictions... big brother them. the brits got it right.lol | 13:01 |
| cdent | Is ceilometer's job to prevent people being stupid? If so we need to go out and paint little flourescent circles around all the potholes too | 13:01 |
| cdent | ha! | 13:01 |
| cdent | okay, I think that makes the motivations more clear for me | 13:02 |
| cdent | thank you | 13:02 |
| * gordc wants to see Ceilometer become totalitarian like <insert country here> | 13:02 | |
| cdent | it all becomes clear now | 13:03 |
| gordc | that seems ambigious enough | 13:03 |
| cdent | you've been on a long march lately, haven't you? | 13:03 |
| gordc | hahah! conversion. | 13:03 |
| gordc | i wonder if there's someone watching this... i will change my tone. | 13:04 |
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| gordc | but seriously, i think we need to have requirements on min content. else it's very difficult to actual use the data on it's own let alone together with a set of other datapoints | 13:07 |
| cdent | gordc: I agree we need resource_id | 13:14 |
| jasonamyers | Did I hear that ceilometer needed some freedom? | 13:16 |
| gordc | cdent: i was thinking project_id as well... seems like every use case everyone has relates some way to multi-tenancy | 13:16 |
| cdent | I think you did hear that jasonamyers | 13:16 |
| jasonamyers | Let me get right on some oppressive legal configs | 13:16 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: just click accept. always accept legal stuff. | 13:17 |
| cdent | jasonamyers: at 2utc prad and I are going to chat about the stuff I added here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-liberty-midcycle | 13:17 |
| cdent | if you want to join the fun | 13:17 |
| cdent | no _nadya_ around yet? | 13:17 |
| jasonamyers | cdent: I have a training class today :( | 13:18 |
| jasonamyers | I'll be back to normal schedule monday | 13:18 |
| cdent | feel free to add comments on the etherpad if you're inclined | 13:18 |
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| cdent | as soon as you say project_id gordc then goodness we really should have user_id shouldn't we? but oh wait in some contexts there is no user. doesn't that mean in some contexts there is no project | 13:19 |
| cdent | oh we better make a schema | 13:19 |
| cdent | :) | 13:19 |
| gordc | i think there's always a project. (i'm assuming) resources must be tied to a project. | 13:21 |
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| cdent | only if you see ceilometer as a tool for metering projects | 13:22 |
| cdent | what if I want to meter my cat? | 13:22 |
| gordc | you should get a dog. :P | 13:22 |
| gordc | dogs can be metered | 13:22 |
| cdent | [redacted] | 13:23 |
| gordc | lol | 13:23 |
| jasonamyers | hahaha | 13:24 |
| jasonamyers | I think we need a wiki pages full of some of the exchanges between you too | 13:25 |
| gordc | i think one argument for project_id is that it's a (logical?) shard key. | 13:25 |
| jasonamyers | they are kinda magical | 13:25 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: it's admittedly might backfire at performance reviews... "on june 26th, during an exchange you said this..." | 13:26 |
| jasonamyers | is that backfires you have the wrong boss | 13:26 |
| jasonamyers | s/is/if | 13:26 |
| gordc | no comment! | 13:26 |
| gordc | self-censoring. | 13:27 |
| * cdent has completely lost his place | 13:28 | |
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| cdent | gordc I just backported this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196045/ | 13:28 |
| jasonamyers | in the doodle for time | 13:28 |
| jasonamyers | which timezone is that in? | 13:28 |
| cdent | BecauseDownstream™ | 13:28 |
| gordc | f. windows force restarting | 13:29 |
| gordc | everything shutting down | 13:29 |
| cdent | jasonamyers: the 24 hour one? it should say UTC | 13:29 |
| cdent | (ah, it only says UTC on the instructions, not the doodle itself) | 13:29 |
| gordc | hmm. false alarm? seems like just one putty window and thunderbird | 13:29 |
| therve | gordc, Hey! So what we do with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195570/ | 13:29 |
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| gordc | cdent: seems like a good backport | 13:30 |
| cdent | did we lose our little notification bot? | 13:31 |
| gordc | therve: do you know if the patch works for you? | 13:32 |
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| gordc | therve: tbh, i think it'll be cleaner to revert and repost the patch with fix together | 13:32 |
| therve | gordc, The patch to devstack you mean? | 13:33 |
| gordc | therve: that said, swift gate is still blocking us so we can't merge anything | 13:33 |
| gordc | therve: no. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195866 | 13:33 |
| therve | Looking | 13:33 |
| therve | gordc, Possibly. We disabled the test in heat, I'll post a patchset to see if it works for us | 13:34 |
| therve | The swift bug is being fixed, will take some time to land... | 13:34 |
| therve | Not sure why ceilo is gating on this though | 13:34 |
| gordc | we have swift middleware... i don't know why exactly tbh either. | 13:35 |
| * gordc goes to git blame | 13:36 | |
| cdent | yeah, I was surprised by that as well, probably a klingon from before the days of the middleware being extracted to its own thing | 13:37 |
| gordc | seems like it's just us and keystone | 13:38 |
| gordc | let me ask why keystone has it. | 13:39 |
| gordc | git blame says it's part of a 4k line patchset | 13:39 |
| gordc | it's entire possible it's a copy/paste | 13:39 |
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| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196065/ i just decided to remove it | 14:05 |
| gordc | eglynn: jd__: i don't know if you ever recall why we gate on swift ^ | 14:06 |
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| gordc | any ideas how to address this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1468916 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468916 in heat "stack arn is too big for shorter ceilometer resource_id column" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Kairat Kushaev (kkushaev) | 14:27 |
| gordc | seems like people are actually sending ceilometer crazy long ids | 14:27 |
| gordc | if we don't revert the id shrink patch, we break heat. if we revert, we lose any ability to properly index. | 14:28 |
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| kairat_kushaev | gordc: I am not familiar with ceilometer in details but what will happen if you extract uuids from heat arn and save it instead of current long id? | 14:35 |
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| kairat_kushaev | gordc: it seems that we need to shrink these long ids in heat to uuid only. Currently I am figuring out how to do it | 14:36 |
| gordc | kairat_kushaev: we can extract it, that said i don't know if heat is the only producer that is given 'large' ids... | 14:40 |
| kairat_kushaev | gordc: It looks like reason for message to openstack-dev | 14:41 |
| gordc | kairat_kushaev: exactly. i'm writing it up now | 14:41 |
| gordc | kairat_kushaev: but i think in ceilometer we need to revert our patch | 14:41 |
| gordc | there's way too many scenarios that our migration would need to handle. | 14:41 |
| gordc | i don't really an easy solution to handling the data we already have in Ceilometer | 14:42 |
| prad | gordc, agenda page for mid cycle here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-liberty-midcycle-agenda .. feel free to add more details | 14:52 |
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| therve | gordc, The patch seems to work apparently | 15:02 |
| therve | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196057/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | therve: ok. i think we should still revert first. just so it's easier for people to port it as a single patch | 15:03 |
| gordc | therve: i also put a patch to remove swift check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196065/ | 15:03 |
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| gordc | prad: yep. cdent also made some edits here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-liberty-midcycle | 15:15 |
| prad | gordc, yea we discussed in our nest before changing it | 15:17 |
| gordc | ah i see. | 15:17 |
| cdent | Anybody got anything they want from me before I hide for the evening? I'm going to be around all weekend but then not around some during next week. | 15:31 |
| gordc | cdent: can you leave your personal number? | 15:33 |
| cdent | no | 15:33 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:33 |
| gordc | makes sense. | 15:33 |
| cdent | actually it wouldn't make a lot of difference, I don't answer the phone | 15:33 |
| cdent | voice is just about the worst medium evah | 15:33 |
| gordc | why do you own a phone | 15:33 |
| cdent | I guess you could text spam me, that might get annoying | 15:33 |
| cdent | why to play games and look at porn of course! | 15:34 |
| cdent | duh! | 15:34 |
| gordc | hahahah! | 15:34 |
| gordc | fair enough. | 15:34 |
| * cdent pages jasonamyers | 15:34 | |
| prad | hahaa | 15:34 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: goodreads^ | 15:34 |
| jasonamyers | what? | 15:34 |
| cdent | Actually, gordc, I do have a question for you: | 15:35 |
| jasonamyers | or lord | 15:35 |
| jasonamyers | I came back for that? | 15:35 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: hahah training interrupted | 15:35 |
| gordc | cdent: whatsup? | 15:35 |
| cdent | we've got these several bits of work laying around for me: pollster split, pull pipeline out of pollsters, devstack plugin, grenade plugin, and some other things I can't remember right now | 15:35 |
| cdent | If I was going to burn the hack candle this weekend which of those should catch fire? | 15:36 |
| cdent | (or, you know, feel free to nominate something else) | 15:36 |
| gordc | cdent: gates broken. nothing is happening this weekend. | 15:37 |
| cdent | :) | 15:37 |
| gordc | cdent: the pipeline stuff will overlap with api work... which is being reverted. | 15:37 |
| gordc | so probably skip that | 15:37 |
| gordc | i doon't think we concluded whether we would split pollster alone or pollster with ontificaiton agent so skip that. | 15:38 |
| gordc | plugins seem to be the most boring but less debated. | 15:38 |
| cdent | right, I was kinda leading in the devstack plugin direction so I'll poke at that | 15:39 |
| gordc | cdent: cool cool. | 15:40 |
| gordc | what's next week? you guys celebrate canada day in uk too? is it colonies day? | 15:40 |
| cdent | is cool cool twice as much cool as cool, or like cool^2? | 15:40 |
| cdent | my son's here tuesday and wednesday so gonna chill on the beach | 15:40 |
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| cdent | his specific instructions are that we are going to fall off surfboards, drink whiky and bro down | 15:40 |
| gordc | it's one cool and the other cool is more 'i don't care to continue talking' | 15:41 |
| gordc | cdent: nice. i was going to suggest you go look at the sea while the gate was down | 15:41 |
| cdent | that is where I'm going very soon | 15:42 |
| * gordc looks at a patced up white office wall. | 15:42 | |
| cdent | http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/02/daredevil-2835-am-121189-121206.jpg | 15:43 |
| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: Revert "Lower down the range for columns which are being used as uuid." https://review.openstack.org/196115 | 15:43 |
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| peristeri | gordc, Hey, welcome back. | 15:47 |
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| gordc | peristeri: who told you i was back... | 15:56 |
| kairat_kushaev | gordc: I noticed you reverted the column size change but I have the question. If heat will reduce resource_id then is it possible that this change could break the measurement in ceilometer | 15:56 |
| kairat_kushaev | gordc: I mean we will start to send uuid instead of arn | 15:57 |
| kairat_kushaev | so ceilometer could recognize these notification as different from previous | 15:57 |
| gordc | kairat_kushaev: if you change ids, it won't break ceilometer (as long as you're not increasing size) | 15:58 |
| gordc | what will happen is that it will show up as a different resource though | 15:58 |
| kairat_kushaev | yep | 15:59 |
| kairat_kushaev | is it critical? | 15:59 |
| gordc | i don't think it's critical. i think it's something that needs to be documented maybe? as a Heat change in liberty | 16:00 |
| gordc | ceilometer isn't a data warehouse, so the data is designed to expire. eventually the old 'long' ids should die off from database | 16:00 |
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| gordc | that said, there will be a point where maybe ops should be aware of difference. | 16:01 |
| kairat_kushaev | gordc: Need to think where we can put this in heat | 16:02 |
| kairat_kushaev | gordc: thanks for help | 16:02 |
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| gordc | kairat_kushaev: kk. we usually put it in upgrade notes... 'breaking' changes that is. | 16:06 |
| peristeri | gordc, a little bird told me. | 16:16 |
| gordc | peristeri: whatup? | 16:21 |
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| rjaiswal | gordc: any clue on whats up with the recent dsvm test failures | 17:42 |
| peristeri | gordc, sorry when out for lunch. Did you get a chance to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190769/ ? | 17:43 |
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| gordc | rjaiswal: yeah, swift is broken. i remove the gate test since it's unrelated to ceilometer anyways: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196065/ | 18:05 |
| gordc | peristeri: nope. putting out fires | 18:05 |
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| peristeri | gordc, will you be passing by mtl any time soon? | 18:12 |
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| gordc | peristeri: this weekend son! | 18:15 |
| gordc | peristeri: i have to move out. feel free to squat in my apartment afterwards | 18:15 |
| peristeri | gordc, Send me a message when you are in town. We'll go for a beer or 2 | 18:16 |
| ankita_wagh | gordc : Is it possible to run juno ceilometer compute agent on icehouse nova compute ? | 18:18 |
| ankita_wagh | http://paste.openstack.org/show/321420/ | 18:18 |
| ankita_wagh | Am having this error | 18:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen proposed openstack/ceilometer: Initial PowerVM Package Structure https://review.openstack.org/195818 | 18:19 |
| gordc | peristeri: sure sure. i think i'll be in and out this weekend. i'm coming back next month again i think. | 18:20 |
| gordc | ankita_wagh: i don't think it's something we've considered before. it should be possible as we're just polling the api in nova for instances and then polling hypervisor for stats | 18:21 |
| gordc | ankita_wagh: that said, there are requirements on novaclient versions that are probably different between juno and icehouse | 18:22 |
| ankita_wagh | Its having connection refused error | 18:23 |
| gordc | ankita_wagh: i'd guess that's something to do with token... don't really have an answer for you. i can try later but i need to work on something critical right now | 18:27 |
| ankita_wagh | thanku | 18:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: restore long uuid data type https://review.openstack.org/196190 | 19:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: restore long uuid data type https://review.openstack.org/196190 | 19:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Replaces methods deprecated in pymongo3.0 https://review.openstack.org/194627 | 20:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/190497 | 20:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Revert "Add support for posting samples to notification-agent via API" https://review.openstack.org/195570 | 20:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/193976 | 21:47 |
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