Tuesday, 2015-09-29

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Ensure the test data sample has correct signature  https://review.openstack.org/22773307:48
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer: SQL: Fix event-list with multiple trait query filters  https://review.openstack.org/22879308:45
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r-mibudoes someone know about state of tempest test removal in ceilometer, gnocchi and aodh?09:30
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r-mibuit seems we are asked to create own plugin in our code tree09:31
r-mibui cannot find any blueprint, so I'm asking here09:31
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: Remove deprecated archive policy map for Gnocchi  https://review.openstack.org/22788210:35
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jd__gordc: you need to explain those deprecation rules to me11:55
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nijabagood morning11:58
nijabagordc: did you send the email about the survey yesterday?11:58
gordcjd__: sure. i added it as a meeting item but a quick summary would be:11:58
jd__nijaba: I saw it11:58
nijabaah cool11:59
jd__nijaba: no feedback?11:59
gordcjd__: features should be deprecated at least one full cycle (6months)11:59
gordcnijaba: yep, sent yesterday. got complaints about oversurveying.lol11:59
nijabaI did not and I already saw 8 responses11:59
jd__gordc: that's Liberty in our case then so we're good to go?11:59
jd__gordc: complaints?11:59
gordcjd__: quick deprecation should last at least one full stable release. we could the L-1, L-2, L-3 tags as stable.12:00
gordcso since if we deprecate in L-3, we should keep it until M-112:00
gordcas a quick deprecate12:00
jd__this does not make any sense12:01
gordcjd__: i think we weren't the only ones doing survey, so tim bell had concerns12:01
jd__gordc: who did one?12:01
gordcjd__: i believe the idea is to handle people chasing master.12:01
jd__gordc: liberty is the full stable release, we deprecate in Liberty, that's 6 months12:01
jd__gordc: where is that written?12:02
jd__we never handled anyone chasing master and I don't think we want to go that road12:02
gordcso people don't just use the final Liberty release. some use the stable/liberty-* releases as well12:02
jd__or we're going to end up like Nova :[12:02
gordcjd__:  we do. i had to write a migration to handle a bad migration.12:02
jd__liberty and stable/liberty is the same12:03
jd__there's no stable/liberty-* gordc12:03
jd__are you confusing branches and milestones?12:03
gordcjd__: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html12:04
gordcthe meeting topic is to ask whether we want to follow it.12:04
jd__gordc: I just read that and IIUC we're good with that I've done so far12:05
gordcbut the idea is you need to at least handle deprecation over between two tags12:05
jd__that's the "3 months" stuff?12:06
gordcjd__: read number 312:06
jd__we deprecated in master12:06
jd__we release stable/liberty with that deprecation12:07
jd__now we can remove in Mitaka12:07
jd__that's what I understand12:07
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jd__so the feature is deprecated in _one_ stable release branch and we're good12:08
gordcjd__: re-reading12:09
jd__gordc: :)) I admit it could be likely written more clearly12:09
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gordcjd__: i'm going off the last line of #4: A feature deprecated in March 2016 should still appear in the Mitaka release and stable/mitaka stable branch, and cannot be removed before June 2016.12:12
gordcif we change the dates to liberty it'd be: A feature deprecated in september 2015 should still appear in the Mitaka release and stable/liberty stable branch, and cannot be removed before December 2015.12:12
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gordcerr s/Mitaka/Liberty/12:13
jd__that's what I was saying with [14:06:13]  <jd__>that's the "3 months" stuff?12:14
* jd__ nods12:14
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jd__ok so this is plain stupid because it's completely orthogonal to a project release schedule12:14
jd__so we're gonna wait December for no good reason12:15
* jd__ grmbls12:15
gordc:) that's why i added it as meeting item... to discuss whether we want to have this 'tag'12:15
jd__because I assume we want to follow that tag :)12:15
jd__I think the tag idea is good, but the process is badly written12:16
gordc*shrugs* i think tags are a joke.12:16
jd__there's a lot of assumptions about the release schedule behind12:16
jd__yeah that too12:16
jd__like we cannot apply this tag to Gnocchi because we don't have the same release schedule12:16
jd__or we could but it'd have a different meaning12:17
jd__so… I'm gonna do something else because as you said: tags…12:17
gordcyeah, there's going to be a lot of conditional loopholes12:17
jd__gordc: and please take no offense when I rage about that :p12:18
gordcjd__:  i guess we can do away with the big item: alarms12:18
gordcjd__: rage about tags?12:18
jd__or weird deprecation process12:18
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jd__or general process that don't make sense12:18
jd__just because people want to reproduce their company sick behaviour in an OSS project :p12:19
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gordcjd__: ^^ that should be your tc platform12:19
jd__yeah could be…12:19
gordcjd__: i'd vote for that. anarchy12:22
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/aodh: re-organise tests  https://review.openstack.org/22790612:44
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openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/ceilometer: Fix the deprecation note in meter.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/22890113:40
openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/ceilometer: Remove deprecated existence meters  https://review.openstack.org/22856313:43
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openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/ceilometer: Fix the deprecation note in meter.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/22890113:45
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jd__sileht: if you got any idea https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnocchi/+bug/150064614:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500646 in Gnocchi "data corruption with CEPH & gnocchi-metricd leades to delete whole CEPH pool and loose all data" [High,Triaged]14:20
silehtjd__: I guess a lock issue14:22
gordcjd__: any plans to sub in sql instead of object store as storage driver?14:22
jd__gordc: for Gnocchi?14:22
gordcjd__: right14:22
gordcan sql driver.14:22
jd__gordc: if you want it to be inefficient, sure we can try to shoehorn it14:22
gordcwhy would it be inefficient?14:23
jd__gordc: would be a terrible idea that's what I'm saying14:23
gordci'm not familiar with the model is why i'm asking.14:23
jd__gordc: we just need a hash table basically14:23
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jd__that's what a file system or an object store is enough and efficient14:23
jd__especially when you're storing and accessing millions of metrics with thousands of points14:24
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jd__sileht: I thought so but I'm not really familiar with Ceph :)14:25
gordcreason i ask, is that from what i constantly hear, operators don't want more stuff to learn/config.14:26
gordcalso, a concern is that ensuring ACID is going to be a crapload of very very complex work.14:26
gordcdoes a file system or object store give us that?14:27
gordcre: learn/config stuff, most people don't know how to use mongodb. not our fault... but it's definitely less consumable if that's the main choice.14:29
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alejandritomorning ! filled the bug about the CEPH corruption ! https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnocchi/+bug/1500646 , let me know i f i can be of any help, we have all the env here14:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500646 in Gnocchi "data corruption with CEPH & gnocchi-metricd leades to delete whole CEPH pool and loose all data" [High,Triaged]14:35
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gordcalejandrito: ^^ i think they're trying to debug now14:40
gordcsileht: jd__: if you have any questions ^^14:40
alejandritogordc, jd__ perfect  ... im here if you need anything14:41
jd__gordc: Gnocchi is SQL + Swift, that sounds very OpenStack technologies, no?14:41
gordcalejandrito: cool cool. thanks.14:41
jd__gordc: we use a DLM (tooz) to ensure consistency with object stores14:41
jd__gordc: and we use ACID etc with index thanks to SQL14:42
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jd__gordc: but keep bringing those concerns, I'm glad to have feedback :)14:44
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gordcjd__: i think we need it across indexer AND object store (eventually). losing data is a red flag.14:48
jd__gordc: "it" ?14:48
gordcit == ACID or some guarantee of parts of it.14:49
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jd__gordc: we have that AFAIK :)14:50
jd__gordc: we're not losing any data :)14:51
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ildikovhi folks14:52
ildikovdumb question, has anyone run into permission denied error with devstack regarding copying the rootwrap files?14:53
gordcildikov: ipmi agent?14:54
ildikovgordc: yeap, it seems14:54
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MVenesioHi guys, i'm testing gnocchi API, and i have i doubt about archive-policy-rules, basically i created two new policies and create rules to map some metrics, but when i got the metric it comes with the old values and nothing change14:55
MVenesiodo i have to do some other configuration, or it should work ?14:55
gordci don't actually have it turned on.14:57
gordcildikov: ^14:57
gordcMVenesio: this is gnocchi+ceilometer?14:58
ildikovgordc: hmm, ok, I guess disabling the service in local.conf should be enough for turning it off14:58
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MVenesiogordc: Yes, i'm from nubeliu, same team of alejandrito. we have ceilometer + gnocchi + ceph ( kilo version )14:59
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gordcMVenesio: what's your achive policies? and your polling interval for the meter?15:03
MVenesiogordc: I have set the default policy low ( - points: 12, granularity: 0:05:00, timespan: 1:00:00)  and then i have defined two more to create the rules15:04
MVenesiogordc:  live_metrics2 (- points: 60, granularity: 0:02:00, timespan: 2:00:00 ) and live_metrics  ( points: 60, granularity: 0:01:00, timespan: 1:00:00 )15:05
MVenesiogordc: then i have created next rules for example :  test4          | live_metrics2       | disk.read.requests15:05
MVenesiogordc: test5          | live_metrics2       | disk.*15:06
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gordcMVenesio: sorry, got pulled aside. what's your polling interval?15:18
gordcjd__: any quick thoughts? ^^15:19
MVenesiogordc: from the pipeline.yml 60 secs for all15:20
jd__MVenesio: that's just what's used when creating new metric15:21
MVenesiojd__: yes but regarding the documentation you can create new policy rules to change granularity timespan and points on existing metrics15:25
MVenesiojd__: so i created two new policy rules and associated it to existent metrics to get new values, but wen i get the metric nothing changed15:27
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MVenesiojd__: basically the question is if its archive policy rules working  ?  and if it works, do you have docs about how do i have to use it ?15:32
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jd__it's not on existing metrics15:35
jd__if you understood that we need to fix the doc15:35
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add spec for grenade resources.sh checks  https://review.openstack.org/22900815:38
MVenesiojd__: Ok let me clarify this, so i need to create first all the archive policies that i will use for a specific metric in the future   ?15:39
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gordcMVenesio: correct. it's not applied retroactively. the idea of gnocchi, is to aggregate the data to allow for more efficient storage.15:41
gordcas the data is already aggregated using the known archive poilcies at the time, it's not possible to go back and apply other policies as the discrete datapoints are no longer available.15:42
gordcjd__: where's this id coming from? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/150089015:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500890 in Ceilometer "Gnocchi dispatcher does not handle resource ids with /" [High,Triaged]15:46
MVenesiogordc, jd__: Perfect guys i didn't expect to apply new policies on old data, but maybe apply new policies for new data in existent metrics, but now it is perfectly understood15:47
gordcMVenesio: cool cool.15:48
gordcwe should probably document the change in logic between v2 and gnocchi.15:48
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gordccdent: this wsme bug is attacking stable/kilo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wsme/+bug/145946915:51
openstackLaunchpad bug 1459469 in WSME "wsme is not correctly requiring simplegeneric" [High,Fix released]15:51
* cdent reads15:55
gordci'm overselling attacking... it's this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/150035315:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500353 in Ceilometer kilo "use tox to create ceilometer.conf return error" [Medium,Triaged]15:56
cdentgordc: wsme 0.8.0 has the fixes but those fixes broke tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208467/15:58
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cdentso the easiest thing to do for kilo might be to require simplegeneric explicitly in ceilometer's requirements?15:59
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gordccdent: i guess the issue is simplegeneric isn't actually part of global req16:03
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cdentit is by virtue of transitive requirments though, yeah?16:04
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gordcright. but i think it needs to be in gloabl-req for us to be able to add it to ceilometer's requirements.txt16:04
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cdentIs that "challenging" when talking about the stable branche?16:07
jd__gordc: yeah your analysis about simplegeneric sounds good to me16:07
gordccdent: a little more i guess.16:08
jd__cdent: likely because it's even adding a _new_ requirements in stable :]16:08
cdentIs there an alternative?16:08
jd__gordc: ipmi hardware disks16:08
jd__gordc: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1500890 sorry16:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500890 in Ceilometer "Gnocchi dispatcher does not handle resource ids with /" [High,Triaged]16:08
gordcwe tax tox?16:09
jd__cdent: as gordc said we hack tox16:09
gordcjd__: i'm glad you understood that. :)16:09
jd__I took gordc as second language in high school16:09
gordcjd__: hmm.. i proposed a session to uuid everything in openstack... i guess it's impossible?16:09
gordcjd__: it's a very valuable language.16:10
gordc100% growth16:10
jd__gordc: yeah I think it's never going to be UUID everywhere and fortunately cdent came up with a nice solution recently that fixes that in Gnocchi 1.216:10
jd__gordc: but still / can't be valid because it's part an URL16:11
jd__s/an/of an/16:11
cdentis the client not escaping it to %2F?16:11
jd__cdent: gnocchiclient might be, but the client in the dispatcher does not seems to16:12
gordccdent: can you apply your trick to events?16:12
jd__sileht: ^16:12
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jd__the number of recheck on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228500/ worries me16:12
cdentgordc: maaaybe16:12
gordcjd__: this is the mongo bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/149949016:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1499490 in Ceilometer "mongodb functional tests randomly failing" [Low,Triaged]16:13
gordci don't know how to fix it... except delete alarms16:13
gordcfyi: notes from ops meetup http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-burning-issues16:17
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gordcit seems a lot of complaints on mongo... i guess we need to fix mongo.16:18
jd__that's already done with Gnocchi I guess16:20
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed openstack/ceilometer: fix elasticsearch script reference  https://review.openstack.org/22903816:36
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Parametrize table_prefix_separator in hbase  https://review.openstack.org/22836316:53
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/22460017:51
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cdentthis influxdb stuff is hairy18:27
* cdent has dinner instead18:27
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gordccdent: a birdy told me Scylla is the new black.18:30
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Remove enable_notification.sh  https://review.openstack.org/22850019:51
openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/gnocchi: Create signature of measures_report in base class  https://review.openstack.org/22912419:53
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alejandritohi, we are seeing something weird with ceilometer+gnocchi, suppose we leave gnocchi_archive_policy_map.yaml blank, and i take out the archive_policy for every metric on gnocchi_resources.yaml, so there's no default policy. then in the api i define two archive_policies and two policy rules (one for disk.io and one for cpu.* ) that thing is that, despite having defined that ... the ceilometer-collector keeps complaining20:58
alejandritoabout the "low" policy not existing so nothing gets posted to the API, just AFTER i create the low policy on gnocchi starts working, so ... is there anything hardcoded on the dispatcher side that doesn't allow me to post things despite i created other policies / rules till i create a LOW policy ?20:58
gordcalejandrito: in a meeting but there is a archive_policy option that creates policy for each new metric... it defaults to 'low'21:03
alejandritogordc, yeah, but i just21:04
gordcthis might be of use for future as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227882/21:04
alejandritogordc, sorry ... typing ....21:04
alejandritogordc, ok but ... i dont want the dispatcher to send any hardcoded policy, i just want the policies rules that i created on the API to match without sending a default archive policy, or in any case .. define a policy rule of * but through the api21:07
alejandritogordc, isnt that supported ?21:07
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gordcalejandrito: like this? https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/etc/ceilometer/gnocchi_resources.yaml#L521:12
gordcthe default is used basically if you don't define it in gnocchi_resources.yaml21:12
gordcapologies but my responses will be delayed... jumping between another meeting21:13
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alejandritogordc, what i mean is ... we feel that a default policy should not be passed from the dispatcher ... instead, you should define in the policies in gnocchi that "IF NONE POLICY MATCHES, then apply this FALLBACK archive policy"21:19
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gordcalejandrito: hmm.. i can get behind that idea.21:33
gordccare to add it as a 'bug'... we can target it as a wishlist item21:33
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gordci can sync with jd__ tomorrow regarding this given his timezone.21:34
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marcin_kosobuckiwelcome guys, I am looking for some tips in regards, how to setup ceilometer alarm based on instance status. I would like to increase VM count in my Heat stack based on VM going into error state etc.23:24
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