Friday, 2014-08-29

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nacerMAAS is opensource ?09:06
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j^2nacer: that's a great question12:33
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j^2!irc-meeting13:15
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j^2!irc-meeting13:16
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j^2os-chef-bot: !irc-meeting13:16
os-chef-botOur IRC status meeting/office hours are at 16:30 GMT 11:30 EST 08:30 PST on Fridays we try to have as many core members here so we can discuss topics or issues users are having13:16
j^2nacer: looks like it is: https://code.launchpad.net/maas13:19
nacerj^2: nice13:19
j^2libsysguy: i’m around today if you want to chat13:20
libsysguysure13:20
libsysguybut I am only a half a cup of coffee down :p13:20
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j^2ha!13:22
j^2i respect that, i still gotta get my daughter to school, but yeah lets get you on the path :)13:22
libsysguybasically I am just curious if it would be possible to leverage a knife similar to knife-ec2 with MAAS.  I remembered that this is the openstack-chef channel so if I need to ask in a regular chef channel so I don't pollute this one I can.13:23
j^2so basicly a knife-maas?13:23
libsysguycorrect13:23
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j^2http://askubuntu.com/questions/267956/how-does-juju-co-exist-with-chef-taking-the-automation-process-one-step-furt13:24
j^2yeah i’m not 100% sure that’s been created yet13:24
j^2sounds like an opertunity for you though ;)13:24
libsysguyyeah I've seen that, but that is leveraging juju to run chef solo13:24
libsysguythat is kind of what I am thinking13:24
j^2yeah that’s “not” the best practice right now13:25
j^2don’t get me wrong you can, but it’s not the accepetd way13:25
j^2chef-solo is going by the wayside in favor for chef-zero13:25
libsysguywell it seems like you'd lose a lot of the cool features chef offers13:25
j^2yeah you should look into chef-zero13:26
libsysguytbh the way knife-ec2 works gets you 75% of the juju usecase anyway13:26
j^2it’s pretty slick13:26
libsysguywill do13:27
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j^2os-chef-bot: !irc-meeting15:20
os-chef-botOur IRC status meeting/office hours are at 16:30 GMT 11:30 EST 08:30 PST on Fridays we try to have as many core members here so we can discuss topics or issues users are having15:20
j^2#startmeeting openstack-chef15:31
openstackMeeting started Fri Aug 29 15:31:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:31
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:31
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef'15:31
j^2#topic General Discussion15:31
j^2Hey everyone15:31
j^2#action auto-op openstack it seems it isn’t15:31
j^2So the openstack ops meetup was in San Antonio this last Monday Tuesday15:32
j^2There was a great oppertunity for discussion and debate about running Openstack15:32
j^2I even met some of yall face to face which is great :)15:33
markvanj^2: hi15:33
j^2markvan: hey!15:33
j^2here’s a link to the etherpad if you’re curious15:33
j^2#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SAT-ops-meetup15:33
j^2and a link to the openstack-chef one:15:33
j^2#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SAT-ops-chef15:34
j^2We talked about quite a few things in the 45 min session dedicated to openstack-chef, the most interesting one is the Templates section on line 4215:34
j^2PaulCzar: suggested leveraging hashes to make the templates, just like on line 4215:35
j^2#link https://github.com/rackerlabs/cookbook-openstack-paas/blob/master/templates/default/solum.conf.erb15:35
j^2it’ll probably be a good amount of work, but i think it it might be worth looking into at least15:35
j^2In some other discussions I discovered there is some interest with creating a RDO type build with chef as the underlying technology.15:37
j^2#action j^2 should follow up with carlp about this15:37
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carlpyes please :)15:37
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j^2carlp: was there anything you’d like to mention about the meetup?15:38
markvannot sure I follow the hash template idea, but I'm interested in knowing more at some point.15:38
carlpnope, I think it's all covered in the etherpad15:38
j^2markvan: yeah i think it’s very much in its infancy, but we can discuss it on the live meeting if you’d like. I think it’s gonna be an on going discussion15:39
j^2carlp: awesome15:39
markvansure, sounds good15:39
j^2ok, so i’d like to open this up to any other topics that would like to be discussed15:40
openstackgerritMark Vanderwiel proposed a change to stackforge/cookbook-ceph: Add Testing.md   https://review.openstack.org/11508315:41
libsysguyas a newb here, it seems like a lot of the vagrant examples are out of date15:44
libsysguyI didn't know if those accepted PR's to update15:44
j^2libsysguy: yep, and there’s some nasty issues with it15:44
j^2that’s where my singlestack build comes into play it leverages chef-metal to build the vagrant instances15:44
* libsysguy goes to ctrl - c that install 15:44
j^2instance i should say15:45
j^2#link https://github.com/jjasghar/singlestack15:45
j^2it’s almost ready for “official” blessing, i need to work on the neutron piece. nova networking is flaky at best15:45
libsysguyawesome, ty15:45
j^2libsysguy: if you’d pull it down and hack on it i’d be greatlly appreciated i need more eyes on it15:46
markvanj^2: did you get past that glance db issue now?15:46
j^2it’s the begining of the integration tests that PaulCzar and i where talking about durring the meeting15:46
libsysguyyeah I'll be happy to take a look at it from a newcomers perspective15:46
j^2markvan: yep :D15:46
j^2oh! and i confirmed that every DB should be _by_default_ be UTF815:47
j^2so if you see ANYTHING that isn’t please report it15:47
markvanj^2: be aware, there's also one coming for neutron db....there messy with in a big way right now.15:47
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j^2#info All DBs should be UTF8 according to the OpsMeetup15:47
j^2markvan: lovely15:47
markvanhopefully it will only be a small hit to our network cookbook server recipe to change how we do db migration script.15:48
j^2ah nice15:48
markvanj^2: have you tried Juno with your single stack yet?15:48
j^2the pkgs arent built in the repos last i checked, and i havent spent any time to attempt to build them myself15:49
markvanah, ok.  Maybe next week I'll try this with the ibm juno repo's to see how that looks.15:50
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j^2God speed sir, you have a more adventurous mind then me :P15:50
j^2#action markvan will attempt the singlestack repo with IBMs juno repo15:51
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markvanquick update on gate issue?15:56
j^2sure15:56
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j^2#topic Gate Issue15:56
markvanlatest patch/hack for this is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117274/215:57
markvanbasically the gates have switched to Trusty and at about the same time we switch to Berkshelf 3.x.15:57
markvanThis caused an issue where Berks 3.x has a ton more deps to bring in and the gecode one was using dep-selector-libgecode gem to resolve it.15:58
markvanWell this gem is quite the piece of work, it's basically all the gecode 3.x source and runs thru a make to build it.    This fails quite a bit as it's a very large chunk of source to compile and it usually runs our of memory or disk doing so.15:59
j^2oh that’s not fun16:00
markvanThere is a switch to force that gem to skip the compiles and use the system libraries.16:00
markvanbut those libraries must be the gecode 3.x version, which is available on precise and not trusty.16:01
j^2have we looked into the projects to see when support is expected?16:02
markvannet, my patch is pushing all our gates to precise AND if berkshelf 3.x, will install the gecode system libs and use them instead of compiling.16:02
markvanThis is short term, as precise will be removed from the gates at some point next year.16:02
markvanLong term, need to look at using either Chef DK on Trusty (not sure when that will happen yet), or get Berkshelf to use the newer 4.x version of gecode (basically be supported on Trusty).16:03
markvanclear as mud?16:04
j^2heh16:04
j^2yeah Trusty isn’t supported in 14.04 yet16:04
j^2that’s from Chef :(16:04
markvanyeah, that seems to be the blocker on this....but if we can get by on precise for juno, maybe Chef will support it for "k" dev cycle timeframe.16:05
j^2#action j^2 follow up with chef-dk guys to see when 14.04 will be supported and report back16:07
markvanNot sure what it means to our stable branches when/if they pull precise nodes from the gate.   Something we need to continue trying to understand.16:07
markvanand I have it on my todo list from last time to figure out how to have different jobs for various branch levels  (stable vs master).16:08
j^2i’m suprised this is so confusing, i thought i had a grasp of this from the get go, the gates in general, but something isn’t clicking recently16:08
markvanand I worry a bit about using precise....as I'm sure the number of those nodes will be reduced and might become a bottleneck.16:09
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j^2i have this gut feeling that won’t be an issue for a while16:11
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markvanI don't have anything else for a topic right now.....   just keep up work on Reviews, Bugs and Specs.   I suspect in the coming weeks there will be increased amount of activity for Juno once rc3 is past.16:15
markvanunless there is a specific review or bug question that someone wants some help with....16:18
j^2i’m personally walking through the reviews today myself16:21
j^2i don’t know of any off hand16:21
markvanand there are only 2 specs out there, but each are marked at wip, so not much there right now.16:22
j^2oh we discussed the specs process at the meetup16:26
j^2it looks like it’s going to be adopted more or less everywhere16:27
markvanok.  did you discuss the process of what happens once a spec is approved and merged.....what fields/content in the blueprint should be updated.16:30
markvanI don't think we have that spellout yet, or did I miss that?16:31
j^2iirc the conversation basicly said copy paste the whole thing in16:31
j^2and that should be it16:31
markvanah ok, and maybe a link back to the spec review.16:31
markvan#action markvan will cut/paste 2 approved specs in their blueprints16:32
j^2:D16:33
j^2awesome any other topics to discuss or should i bring the meeting to an “official” end?16:34
markvandone here.16:35
markvanjust a thought for next time...16:35
markvanwe could go thru last weeks/open actions that were taken16:35
j^2sounds good16:36
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j^2#endmeeting16:43
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markvanj^2: updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Chef/GettingStarted  with approved version spec...looks more complete then ever!17:12
j^2NICE!17:12
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emaganahi around! newby here!17:52
j^2emagana: hey!17:52
j^2how can we help?17:52
emaganaj^2: hi there! Thanks for offering..17:52
emaganaj^2: I am the architect for a new OpenStack Cloud and my team feels very comfortable with Chef17:53
j^2nice :D17:53
emaganaMy problem is... I am a puppet guy17:53
emaganaSo, I came here to find the light at the end of the tunnel!17:53
emagana:-)17:53
j^2ah, well the cool thing about using chef is that we’re not _horribly_ opinionated :) we leverage it to make it happen how you’d like17:53
j^2we’re on stackforge17:53
emaganaI am aware of process to deploy all-in-one chef based openstack clouds17:54
j^2and we are in the process of getting better referance architectures together17:54
emaganabut what I am looking is for orientation on OpenStack HA with Chef17:54
emaganaI am also offering help not just sucking information  :-)17:54
emaganaI have a good team of Chef developers, so I am pretty sure we can help17:55
j^2sweet!17:55
emaganaany pointers on chef based HA deployments?17:56
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j^2that’s a huge topic….and i think we’re still working on it17:57
j^2as a comunity17:57
libsysguyI think there is a larger discussion in doing openstack HA in general17:57
libsysguyits definitely seems like its not a chef specific problem17:58
j^2libsysguy: good point17:59
emaganaI do agree, HA is not a Chef problem.. If a HA architecture works by using puppet, chef should do it as well, right?17:59
j^2that’s still debatable honestly, there isn’t a great HA story (at least that i know of) and i don’t think the chef community has come together on one18:02
j^2emagana: :D i just got forwarded an email from Matt Ray about your HA question :)18:04
j^2we talked at the meetup btw :)18:04
emaganaj^2: I am everywhere!18:04
j^2(networking is scary) guy18:04
emaganaj^2: Yes, I do remember!  Right after that meet up the company has decided to push harder on this18:04
emaganaI am now the new owner of the project18:05
j^2heh interesting18:05
j^2so yeah we can come together and make something happen. hell we might even be able to get a great POC together leveraging chef18:05
j^2we have meetings where we’d like to talk about this stuff, would you mind joining one on Monday?18:05
j^2oh18:05
j^2i mean Probably Tuesday being a holiday18:06
j^2markvan: ^^^18:06
emagananot at all, please forward me the meeting invite18:06
j^2i post them on our google group :)18:06
emaganaI can tell you we have very good chef guys in the team18:06
j^2http://groups.google.com/group/opscode-chef-openstack18:06
markvanj^2: yup, Tues.18:07
j^2os-chef-bot: !status-meeting18:07
os-chef-botOur hangout (live) status meeting are at 16:30 GMT 11:30 EST 08:30 PST on Mondays and we post the links to the Google Group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/opscode-chef-openstack18:07
j^2that’s normally when we have em, but i’ll push to tuesday, i’ll post something to the group later today18:07
emaganagreat!18:07
emaganaI do assume the current chef cookbook are good to deploy Controller + N Compute nodes with Neutron right?18:08
j^2“yes"18:08
j^2;)18:09
j^2i personally havent done it yet, but i have had reports of success18:09
emaganaj^2: are you or someone else aware of any good step-by-step documentation.. not the one using viagrant.. I want to understand things better18:11
j^2http://docs.getchef.com/openstack.html is the other resource18:12
j^2i’m still going through it attempting to update things when i can18:12
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emaganalet me spent few days on trying this. I will provide feedback  ;-)18:15
emaganaThanks all!18:15
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libsysguyj^2: you said there was a problem with https://github.com/stackforge/openstack-chef-repo ?18:44
j^2Yeah its not icehouse happy I think is a hood way to put it18:45
j^2Good*18:45
libsysguyI was seeing berks being unhappy with swift18:45
j^2And some vagrant plugins are supported anymore. Hence chef-metal18:45
libsysguyyeah, I've been using knife-ec2 without so much issue18:46
j^2I'm on my phone let me get back to my laptop so I can type better18:46
libsysguyheh no worries18:46
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j^2sorry about that, hadn’t had lunch yet18:55
libsysguyI didn't mean for you to cut lunch short :p18:56
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j^2iirc it’s https://github.com/andrewgross/vagrant-chef-zero that blows up18:57
j^2i need to look through my notes :-/18:57
libsysguyI was seeing a version issue with berks and openstack-object-storage18:57
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-common: Attribute variables for internal identity endpoint  https://review.openstack.org/11588922:06
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-block-storage: Move keystone authtoken keys into cinder.conf  https://review.openstack.org/11607122:11
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