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| j^2 | os-chef-bot: !irc-meeting | 14:47 |
| os-chef-bot | Our IRC status meeting/office hours are at 16:30 GMT 11:30 EST 08:30 PST on Fridays we try to have as many core members here so we can discuss topics or issues users are having | 14:47 |
| j^2 | I might be a few mins late, but we should start right around then | 14:48 |
| markvan | j^2: k | 14:51 |
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| j^2 | i only have a few things for the agenda, is there anything anyone would like to discuss? | 15:03 |
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| j^2 | markvan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124441/ is now the base UTF8 fix, then if it gets merged i'll update all the ones that i did yesterday | 15:21 |
| markvan | j^2: why was the version bumped again here? isn't 9.7.1 commit level good enough? or did I misss something? | 15:24 |
| j^2 | i had some logic to it... | 15:24 |
| j^2 | being i cant think of it now it probably isnt important | 15:25 |
| j^2 | so i'll abandan that and the us the ref from 9.7.1 | 15:25 |
| j^2 | yeah i dunno where i was going with that | 15:28 |
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| markvan | yup, I think that existing ref should be enough. | 15:29 |
| j^2 | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 15:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 26 15:30:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:30 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 15:30 |
| j^2 | #chair markvan | 15:30 |
| openstack | Current chairs: j^2 markvan | 15:30 |
| j^2 | Hey everyone! | 15:30 |
| markvan | Howdy | 15:30 |
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| j^2 | I only have two topics that i'd like to discuss, unless there are anything outstanding that anyone would like to bring up? | 15:31 |
| j^2 | jklare: has one that i'm going to relay | 15:32 |
| j^2 | and the second one is about versioning from an issue we saw yesterday | 15:32 |
| markvan | j^2: my main topic for this week is trying to figure out a way around the rebase for Changelog I keep hitting. | 15:33 |
| j^2 | cool, got that on the agenda | 15:33 |
| markvan | and that we still have a high backlog of patches/bugs/specs to review | 15:33 |
| j^2 | though we have started purging our Core list | 15:33 |
| markvan | review actions notes from last meeting first? | 15:33 |
| j^2 | ohh! that's the third thing, ideas/suggestions for new core reviewers | 15:33 |
| j^2 | markvan: yep, sounds good | 15:34 |
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| j^2 | hmmm | 15:34 |
| j^2 | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-chef/2014/ | 15:34 |
| j^2 | there arent any notes there | 15:34 |
| j^2 | ah my bad: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2014/ | 15:35 |
| j^2 | last meeting notes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2014/openstack_chef.2014-09-19-15.30.html | 15:35 |
| j^2 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2014/openstack_chef.2014-09-19-15.30.html | 15:35 |
| j^2 | #topic Previous Action Items | 15:35 |
| markvan | I did create a spec for the Chef 11.16 bump here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122817/ | 15:36 |
| markvan | For git rebase, I started a ML thread https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/opscode-chef-openstack/1uLa1g8Q4ok | 15:36 |
| markvan | It appears for me that just adding blank lines in between Changelog entries avoid the rebase issue for the most part. | 15:37 |
| j^2 | jklare: did you do any research on the rebasing yourself? | 15:37 |
| j^2 | markvan: hey if that's the quickest fix i'm good with that | 15:37 |
| markvan | Would like to get feedback/approval to start doing it that way as I don't think it can hurt anything if not 100% correct. | 15:37 |
| jklare | yeah i tried to reproduce what mark did with the newlines | 15:38 |
| jklare | also found this git rerere | 15:38 |
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| jklare | but after some talking to coworkers i guess that maybe we a are doing it wrong | 15:38 |
| markvan | jklare: yeah, I have not had a chance to look at that yet | 15:38 |
| jklare | maybe we should autocreate the changelog | 15:38 |
| jklare | i think mark and me talked about that at the beginning of this week | 15:39 |
| j^2 | that brings us into the next conversation then i guess :) | 15:39 |
| markvan | jklare: yup, that would be the next step...or just remove it all together and create once one the stable branches only | 15:39 |
| jklare | i really liked the idea of this post-commit hooks | 15:39 |
| jklare | but not sure if thats what we want | 15:39 |
| j^2 | you cant mandate post-commit hooks, hooks for that matter though | 15:39 |
| j^2 | it would be nice though to have the bots do the work for us | 15:40 |
| markvan | yup, some automation is always good, bt I don't see that happening right away. so, I'm suggesting we try the extra lines for a while and go from there. | 15:41 |
| jklare | sounds like a valid temporary solution | 15:42 |
| j^2 | any opposed to the blank lines? | 15:42 |
| j^2 | sounds good | 15:43 |
| j^2 | #topic discussion about auto generating configs from attributes | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discussion about auto generating configs from attributes (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 15:43 | |
| j^2 | jklare: we’ve already touched on this | 15:43 |
| j^2 | but would you like to propose what you think we should do completely? | 15:43 |
| jklare | i think right now we are having a lot of commits just for the sake of making things from the configs configurable | 15:44 |
| emagana | I have a few questions that I want to discuss in this forum, please let me know when will be the right time! | 15:44 |
| jklare | we always have to change at least 3 files | 15:44 |
| j^2 | emagana: certianly, give us a bit :) | 15:44 |
| jklare | and i do not think that thats optimal or needed | 15:44 |
| jklare | i think it should be possible to autogenerate the most common configs from the attributes | 15:45 |
| jklare | in the end all the information is already in hashes | 15:45 |
| jklare | and just needs to be picked from the attributes file | 15:45 |
| j^2 | if i recall correctly there was talk at the Ops meetup about this also, let me see if i can find the ether pad on how we think we should fix this problem | 15:47 |
| j^2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SAT-ops-chef | 15:47 |
| jklare | so i think the config templates should contain some logic to build up a valid config from those attributes or we should skip these templates completely and do the autogenerate in some methods in our libraries | 15:48 |
| j^2 | there was some disucssion about: Possibility of using tox filter to generate templates this seems like a great idea | 15:48 |
| j^2 | wouldnt that help is this situation | 15:49 |
| j^2 | that was a question, sorry :P | 15:49 |
| jklare | maybe it will | 15:49 |
| jklare | i will have to look into that | 15:50 |
| j^2 | leveraging tox to create the standarized templates, take it out of chef apart from some overrides or what not? (it’s just an idea not a solution atm) | 15:50 |
| markvan | We have some attributes that are simple and basically "flow thru" to the template. But there ar emany others that are processed or would need some type of handler. | 15:50 |
| j^2 | then we become more inline with “core” openstack? | 15:50 |
| markvan | And the other issue I have been hitting lately is that we have almost NO support for the actual conf file format, where [sections] are a becoming more important. | 15:51 |
| j^2 | i have to admit though, there are a lot of patches coming in that seems superfluous when adding an attribute that defaults to nil, that seems like it should already be there and we dont have to code it in. but that’s my opinion :) | 15:52 |
| j^2 | markvan: that’s a great point | 15:52 |
| markvan | Yes, the concept of having default values or nil dates back from the beginning. | 15:53 |
| j^2 | ah | 15:53 |
| j^2 | ok, i won’t go after that gorilla…yet. | 15:53 |
| markvan | What I don't like about using nil (when base has a valid default) is that it requries ugly if/check logic in the template. I think that we should extend the chef template code to better handle that for us. | 15:54 |
| * j^2 looks menacing | 15:54 | |
| jklare | but that gorilla is the core of it i guess | 15:54 |
| jklare | i think we do not really need that if statement, a config option without a value will do nothing even if its there | 15:55 |
| markvan | yup, since the base is moving away from even sample conf files, and you can gen your own from the source...we should be able to leverage taht somehow. | 15:55 |
| j^2 | ok, sorry guys, but we are hitting time for this discussion, there are a couple other things i’d like to discuss and we have a community member that would like to ask a couple questions too. Next topic? | 15:55 |
| markvan | jklare: good point, but in the beginning I think we saw some issues with that in some template, but don't recall. | 15:55 |
| jklare | i think we can continue that discussion on monday | 15:56 |
| j^2 | this obviously needs much more discussion :) | 15:56 |
| markvan | sure, maybe we take this on to ML for a while | 15:56 |
| j^2 | lets start with monday then if it continues (which it probably will, move to ML) | 15:56 |
| markvan | k | 15:56 |
| jklare | k | 15:56 |
| j^2 | #topic Versioning Discussion | 15:57 |
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| j^2 | I’d like to just open this up real fast, becase well markvan and i ran into this and wanted to make sure it was captured | 15:57 |
| j^2 | Should the Berksfile.lock/Gem.lock on stable/icehouse require a bump? | 15:57 |
| j^2 | I say yes, we should get someone to update the wiki to explicitly say that. | 15:58 |
| j^2 | thoughts? | 15:59 |
| markvan | I think yes as well here as stable hits are important to track in the versions. Now what level? How big of impact was change? | 15:59 |
| j^2 | I’m thinking this should only be a x.y.Z update. it is _just_a_patch_ right? | 16:00 |
| jklare | i think all changes to stable should do a version bump | 16:01 |
| j^2 | #info all changes to stable should be a version bump, agreed by jklare markvan j^2 | 16:01 |
| markvan | just an example of the grief this could cause someone....if berks or gem pulls in new items, some folks have to update their env's/product with test and legal approvals. so might consider a x.Y.z bump | 16:01 |
| j^2 | good point | 16:02 |
| j^2 | i really am at a loss here | 16:02 |
| j^2 | another discussion for monday? | 16:02 |
| markvan | And we don't know the amout of change that an external dep could have had...so be safe and use minor version bump. | 16:03 |
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| j^2 | i guess i could be ok with this | 16:03 |
| j^2 | jklare: thoughts? | 16:03 |
| j^2 | @core thoughts on this? | 16:03 |
| os-chef-bot | @core thoughts on this? | 16:04 |
| jklare | i go with mark here | 16:04 |
| markvan | bumping patch level is when it's obvious it has very little impacts to anyone besides fixing a bug. | 16:04 |
| jklare | at least a minor bump | 16:04 |
| jklare | and depending on the impact of the update maybe more | 16:04 |
| j^2 | #info MINOR version when you add functionality in a backwards-compatible manner | 16:04 |
| j^2 | #info PATCH version when you make backwards-compatible bug fixes. | 16:04 |
| j^2 | #link http://semver.org/ | 16:05 |
| jklare | at least patch i meant | 16:05 |
| jklare | sry | 16:05 |
| j^2 | I see marks logic, but if we are pushing semver it seems that it should be patch. Hence my hesitation/confusion. This is one of those grey areas yeah? | 16:06 |
| markvan | yeah with touching berks/gems the extent of change could vary greatly....so case-by-case basis? | 16:06 |
| j^2 | markvan: that’s even worse :’( | 16:06 |
| jklare | i think we can go with the standards | 16:06 |
| j^2 | ok, lets bring it up on Monday | 16:06 |
| j^2 | next topic | 16:06 |
| j^2 | #topic General Discussion | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:07 | |
| j^2 | emagana: you have some questions for us? | 16:07 |
| emagana | j^2: Yes! | 16:07 |
| emagana | What is the right forum to send questions regarding chef deployments | 16:07 |
| emagana | T\ | 16:07 |
| j^2 | can you give us an example of your question? | 16:08 |
| emagana | My team is facing some issues with the all-in-one deployment with CentOS 6.5. For instance, Horizon shows Floating IP errors and we are not able to login with a new created user if that user is not an admin | 16:08 |
| emagana | I believe the Neutron cookbook is broken because we have 404 errors when calling the routers API | 16:09 |
| emagana | I mentioned before, I am leading a very serious effort of deploying OpenStack Icehouse on CentOS6.5 with HA for production! Not able to getting the stable/icehouse cookbook and deploy successfully a All-in-one system.. its scary! | 16:10 |
| emagana | Help! | 16:10 |
| emagana | :-) | 16:10 |
| j^2 | Here would be probably the “better” place to ask this type of question, or the mailing list at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/opscode-chef-openstack but a lot of people have very different setups which is the beauty and *cough*pain*cough* of leveraging chef | 16:10 |
| j^2 | so it seems that neutron is the main culprit? | 16:11 |
| j^2 | do you have stacktraces/chef converges that you can gist them so we can take a look? | 16:11 |
| j^2 | emagana: when it comes to stable/icehouse my singlestack build hase nova networking running with centos6.5 leveraging chef-metal if that’s any help | 16:12 |
| emagana | well, we dont want to use nova-network | 16:12 |
| j^2 | the singlestack build is the evenutal acceptance test framework | 16:13 |
| emagana | j^2: is there any CI with Neutron running? | 16:13 |
| j^2 | ah, there is a neutron build too, it starts everything up but fails on something that i havent figured out on | 16:13 |
| j^2 | emagana: not that i know of, something our community has/is lacking in true acceptance/integration testing, I’ve taken that on my shoulders and am making progress, slow, but progress | 16:14 |
| emagana | j^2: nice to hear! | 16:14 |
| emagana | j^2: I will be posting the logs here | 16:14 |
| j^2 | awesome thanks, any more info would always be more helpful :) | 16:15 |
| emagana | hopefully we can help to get the networking issues fixed | 16:15 |
| emagana | The fact that nobody else is reporting those issues means that few people is testing properly | 16:15 |
| markvan | j^2: thx for the efforts, any progress in CI front is great news! | 16:15 |
| emagana | we need a campaign in favor of CHEF!! | 16:15 |
| j^2 | totally, we (the community) want you to succeed | 16:15 |
| emagana | :-) | 16:15 |
| MrMonkey | current Berksfile appears to have issues "Unable to satisfy constraints on package openstack-ops-messaging due to solution constraint" | 16:16 |
| j^2 | markvan: :D thanks yep, i’m almost ready to start putting it together and explaining it to people, but not quite yet. It’s 3rd on my priority list out of like a billion :P | 16:16 |
| MrMonkey | is this part of versioning discussion? | 16:16 |
| markvan | Actually as j^2 stated, we are using this internally, but again have a slightly different setup (DB2, qpid, multi nics, multi nodes) with success. | 16:17 |
| j^2 | MrMonkey: not exactly, can you give us more context? | 16:17 |
| j^2 | MrMonkey: what branch/what version is it trying to pull down? etc? | 16:17 |
| MrMonkey | j^2, just did a clone of openstack-chef-repo. on master branch 'berks vendor' fails as above | 16:18 |
| j^2 | MrMonkey: ah yes, it’s out of date at the moment. please use my singlestack build instead for stable/icehouse | 16:18 |
| MrMonkey | pretty sure it worked last week | 16:19 |
| j^2 | emagana: just to tie off my train of thought, i’m very much in the mindset of leting the automated testing do the work for us, the challange is getting the automated testing up and running so then all we have to do is hack on code and let the bots do the confirmation for us :) | 16:20 |
| emagana | j^2: let me know if we can help | 16:20 |
| j^2 | MrMonkey: berks vendor is markvan correct me if i’m wrong here, Berkshelf 3.x and chef-repo was 2.x right? | 16:20 |
| j^2 | or something to that effect | 16:20 |
| j^2 | emagana: totally, thanks for the offer | 16:20 |
| j^2 | One last thing for the offical meeting | 16:22 |
| markvan | yup, repo at master has not been updated in a while | 16:22 |
| j^2 | #topic Core-Reviewers | 16:22 |
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| j^2 | I sent out an email to the core-reviewership | 16:22 |
| j^2 | we have had some people step down, which was expected, and we thank them for their work and help | 16:22 |
| * MrMonkey hopes he did not interrupt irc meeting | 16:23 | |
| j^2 | I’d like to open it up to the community, are people interested in becoming core-reviewers? | 16:23 |
| j^2 | MrMonkey: no problem :) i just wanted to make sure this was captured :) we can continue yoru discussion after :) | 16:23 |
| j^2 | If you are interested please don’t hesiate to ping me either here or jj@getchef.com if you have questions also | 16:24 |
| j^2 | markvan: am i forgetting anything? | 16:25 |
| markvan | j^2: no, that was good start for core list. I don't have anything else right now....except for my patch backlog to nurse along. | 16:26 |
| j^2 | #topic End of meeting | 16:26 |
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| j^2 | To markvan’s point, yes we need more +1’s and people looking at our backlog | 16:26 |
| j^2 | if you have time please take a look | 16:27 |
| markvan | yup, the more eyes the better.... | 16:27 |
| j^2 | We’ll probably continue discussing a lot of this stuff again on Monday with the live status meeting, so if you can make it please do | 16:27 |
| j^2 | os-chef-bot: !status-meeting | 16:27 |
| os-chef-bot | Our hangout (live) status meeting are at 16:30 GMT 11:30 EST 08:30 PST on Mondays and we post the links to the Google Group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/opscode-chef-openstack | 16:27 |
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| j^2 | i’m willing to move it if there is a better time to get a larger group of people, please contact me at jj@getchef.com if you would but cant make it because of something like a *cough*scrum*cough* | 16:28 |
| j^2 | any other final words that need to be captured? | 16:29 |
| j^2 | awesome, thanks for everyone being here! | 16:30 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack + Chef | wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Chef/GettingStarted | groups.google.com/group/opscode-chef-openstack | docs.getchef.com/openstack.html | botbot.me/irc.freenode.net/openstack-chef/ | http://bit.ly/os-chef-k-preplan" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 26 16:30:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2014/openstack_chef.2014-09-26-15.30.html | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2014/openstack_chef.2014-09-26-15.30.txt | 16:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2014/openstack_chef.2014-09-26-15.30.log.html | 16:30 |
| j^2 | MrMonkey: have you given my singlestack build a shot? | 16:30 |
| j^2 | https://github.com/jjasghar/singlestack | 16:31 |
| j^2 | it has the “most up-to-date” fixes for us ATM | 16:31 |
| j^2 | granted there is the UTF8 issue which ideally we’ll get merged today/tomorrow | 16:31 |
| MrMonkey | j^2, i'm new to this community and haven't seen your build. can you provide a quick pointer? | 16:32 |
| j^2 | yep, it’s that link abouve | 16:32 |
| j^2 | the Readme should take you through it :) | 16:32 |
| MrMonkey | thanks! i'll take a look | 16:33 |
| j^2 | MrMonkey: suggestions are more then welcome. like i said it’s the beginning of the integration/acceptance testing for us so we want to make sure it’s soild :) | 16:35 |
| MrMonkey | j^2, will do. as mentioned, new to this and coming up to speed | 16:37 |
| j^2 | :) | 16:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed a change to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-orchestration: Create role for heat template defined users https://review.openstack.org/124438 | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed a change to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-orchestration: Create role for heat template defined users https://review.openstack.org/124438 | 16:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed a change to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-orchestration: Create role for heat template defined users https://review.openstack.org/124438 | 16:45 |
| MrMonkey | j^2, we've been struggling with the "vagrant testing" samples in the repo(just to come up to speed). would it be fair to assume those are somewhat out of date? | 16:45 |
| j^2 | Very much so out of date | 16:46 |
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| j^2 | markvan: ok, there we go: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124165/ good? | 18:37 |
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| Firespirit | does anyone have a heat template that setup a windows server with chef-solo on it? | 18:40 |
| j^2 | nope :( | 18:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed a change to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-identity: Allow attributes for domain specific drivers https://review.openstack.org/124497 | 19:19 |
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| markvan | j^2: forget Changelog? | 19:34 |
| j^2 | AWWW CRAP | 19:34 |
| j^2 | grrrr | 19:34 |
| j^2 | ok, i’ll get Changelogs put in too | 19:35 |
| markvan | yup, that should cover it. | 19:35 |
| j^2 | man changing things in common is horrible to say the least | 19:35 |
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| j^2 | i think i got em all | 20:22 |
| j^2 | http://glui.me/?i=gvbb5acvq7k7tke/2014-09-26_at_3.21_PM_2x.png/ | 20:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed a change to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-orchestration: Add attributes for role and domain info https://review.openstack.org/121622 | 20:31 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-image: Add attribute for glance registry workers https://review.openstack.org/121173 | 20:39 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-common: address_for does not check for nil interface addresses https://review.openstack.org/120841 | 20:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed a change to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-image: Fix image upload for tar kernel/initrd images https://review.openstack.org/124085 | 20:45 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/openstack-chef-repo: Bump mysql and mysql-chef cookbooks to required levels for Juno https://review.openstack.org/123793 | 20:46 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-ops-database: Fix mysql cookbook version for previous password patch https://review.openstack.org/123791 | 20:57 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-compute: Allow vnc_keymap to be configured attribute https://review.openstack.org/118453 | 21:07 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-dashboard: Add sensitive flag to key and certificate resources https://review.openstack.org/122866 | 21:09 |
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