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| openstackgerrit | Jan Klare proposed openstack/cookbook-openstack-common: Updated README and added small section to explain usage of config attributes https://review.openstack.org/308997 | 13:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jan Klare proposed openstack/cookbook-openstack-identity: Documenation update after refactoring https://review.openstack.org/307962 | 14:15 |
| jklare | markvan sc` i played around with a lot of "automated doc" tools, but in the end imo we would need to heavily patch all of them or write our own | 14:17 |
| jklare | the two patches above are completely manual generated but i think that might be the easier way for now | 14:17 |
| jklare | some feedback about the style of documentation would be great, so i know if i should continue like this for the other cookbooks | 14:18 |
| j^2 | No body likes documentation :P | 14:26 |
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| jklare | and at the same time everybody likes good documentation | 14:41 |
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| sc` | it looks good to me, but i am concerned about the manual-ness | 14:57 |
| sc` | then again, i'm always concerned about manual stuff | 14:57 |
| jklare | sc` yeah i know | 14:58 |
| jklare | sadly nobody seems to have a working tool to generate docs from inline comments | 14:58 |
| jklare | i mean there is something like yard-chef | 14:58 |
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| jklare | but that will generate html files that need to be served with a yard server | 14:59 |
| jklare | i dont think that we would want that | 15:00 |
| sc` | yeah. probably not | 15:00 |
| jklare | i think we should dedicate at least one of our working sessions to discuss a solution to that | 15:01 |
| jklare | i mean there are tools like sphinx | 15:01 |
| jklare | which are used by other project | 15:01 |
| sc` | +1 since we're all face-to-face anyway | 15:02 |
| jklare | sc` can you please take a quick look at this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299875/ | 15:03 |
| sc` | chefdk 0.13 includes include fauxhai 3.3.0. should be able to get rid of that fauxhai hack soon enough | 15:03 |
| jklare | sc` great news | 15:03 |
| jklare | sc` but that also means we need to adapt to all the new things in rubocop and foodcritic | 15:03 |
| jklare | meaning a lot of refactoring | 15:03 |
| sc` | yup. that's a newton thing | 15:03 |
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| sc` | but it'll need to be done to keep cadence with chefdk | 15:04 |
| jklare | sure | 15:04 |
| sc` | i've been noticing more and more chef warnings, so retooling for chef 13 is an eventuality as well | 15:08 |
| jklare | not sure about that | 15:10 |
| jklare | lets see how the first chef 13 release looks like :) | 15:11 |
| sc` | yeah. won't jump to it immediately :) | 15:11 |
| jklare | i think we should maybe dedicate the other working session to planning the newton cycle | 15:12 |
| sc` | agreed | 15:12 |
| jklare | do we need to send that as a mail to ttx or can we just write these titles down in some wiki? | 15:13 |
| markvan | jklare: what's your opinion of my doc tool....it can elimnate some of the manual work (like keeping list of recipe, dependencies, ... up to date) | 15:14 |
| sc` | the only one we needed a name for was the fishbowl, and i was able to do that | 15:14 |
| jklare | sc` but i think we should also define titles or headlines for the working sessions | 15:14 |
| sc` | ttx told me that i didn't need to email him with any titles, just update them in the staging schedule | 15:14 |
| jklare | so people know what they walk in to | 15:15 |
| jklare | sound good | 15:15 |
| sc` | let me know what's good and i can update. i think any of us can, really | 15:15 |
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| jklare | markvan ups, i completely missed your tool, i just looked at the generated output directly behind the link | 15:16 |
| jklare | markvan looking at it right now | 15:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-dashboard: ssl_cert and ssl_key file can be one big .pem file https://review.openstack.org/299875 | 15:17 |
| markvan | jklare: it's basically a text scraper, but with a bit more work, might be useful as a way to gather all the doc in one place | 15:18 |
| markvan | maybe add it's logic/output to the repo | 15:18 |
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| jklare | markvan but this will not generate READMEs for the cookbooks right? | 15:20 |
| sc` | since we're only mirroring to github, does that invalidate the use of travis? | 15:20 |
| jklare | i think we could use it | 15:22 |
| jklare | but not sure if travis solves something here | 15:22 |
| jklare | imo the issue is that we need to find a generic way to document all our cookbooks | 15:23 |
| jklare | we could just agree on a very very short README and instead add some more docs into the chef-repo | 15:23 |
| markvan | yeah, it's not trying to auto gen the basic ReadMe content, but my goal was to bring that content together along with "some" auto gen'd doc (attributes, dependencies, recipes, ...) | 15:24 |
| jklare | or we could try to parse the inline comments in all recipes/providers/attributes (basically like marks tool or knife-cookbook-doc) does | 15:24 |
| sc` | yeah. agreed. nobody should be generating docs by hand. way too much for any one or two people to do | 15:24 |
| jklare | but we need to generate the docs from some base | 15:24 |
| sc` | generating from inline comments means going back and commenting stuff that may have never been commented in the first place | 15:25 |
| jklare | yeah | 15:25 |
| jklare | but what other option do we have? | 15:25 |
| jklare | somebody needs to write some doc | 15:25 |
| jklare | there is no tool that "understands" what the cookbook does and writes it down | 15:26 |
| sc` | yup. no clean way at present. i get that | 15:26 |
| jklare | i mean in the end the chef dsl is supposed to me readable | 15:26 |
| sc` | everyone throws up the 'self-documenting code' line | 15:26 |
| jklare | be readable | 15:27 |
| jklare | i think we might want to go for a very very small README in all cookbooks | 15:27 |
| sc` | yeah. it doesn't need to be every recipe and attribute for the README | 15:28 |
| jklare | and aim for something like what markvans tool does | 15:28 |
| sc` | README just needs to have enough breadcrumbs for the operator to follow | 15:28 |
| sc` | jklare: when it's convenient, could you take a look at some of the patches ready to go? we have a few outstanding, including something that tickles bare metal deployments | 15:29 |
| jklare | sc` sure | 15:30 |
| sc` | thanks :D | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-chef-repo: Always use lan if possible https://review.openstack.org/306623 | 15:36 |
| jklare | why is the centos job failing in some of the patches? | 15:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-image: Cleanup options deprecated for mitaka https://review.openstack.org/305368 | 15:38 |
| sc` | jklare: mariadb issue as far as i can tell | 15:39 |
| jklare | sc` so after the maridb patch went in we should be good? | 15:39 |
| sc` | should be. might also need the apt_components, but i didn't see the failure that fixes in openstack ci | 15:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-chef-repo: Override lc_messages_dir for mariadb https://review.openstack.org/306550 | 15:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-common: Split apt_components for bare metal provisioning https://review.openstack.org/307337 | 15:40 |
| sc` | i only found it when i put mitaka on a bare metal node, which works for allinone btw | 15:40 |
| sc` | the apt_components thing may have to be backported to stable/liberty as well, in which case i'll file a lp bug and get it all official | 15:41 |
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| jklare | rechecking some of the outstanding patches to see what happens :) | 15:42 |
| sc` | cool | 15:42 |
| jklare | most of them look good, markvan thanks for the cleanups | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-common: Install xz-devel instead of lzma-devel for centos https://review.openstack.org/306574 | 15:45 |
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| j^2 | jklare: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-magnum-on-the-cern-production-cloud | 15:51 |
| j^2 | :mindblown: | 15:51 |
| sc` | that's pretty cool. wish my openstack did cool stuff like that :p | 15:55 |
| sc` | but that also echoes something i said in the past. puppet-openstack has sheer numbers | 15:56 |
| jklare | sc` not sure if you need sheer numbers to write something like this puppet-magnum module | 16:00 |
| jklare | it is a very very basic deployment | 16:00 |
| jklare | its installing the service, creating the config and connecting it to the mq | 16:03 |
| jklare | i am quite sure that this module is not nearly enough to actually run magnum on an production cluster | 16:04 |
| jklare | but its a good start | 16:04 |
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| sc` | no, i never said it was production-ready. but there is more breadth in terms of projects supported. we only cover a relatively narrow focus of primarily just core openstack and supporting data plane services | 16:15 |
| jklare | sc` the article j^2 posted said it was used to deploy a production ready magnum | 16:16 |
| jklare | sc` which is partially true is guess, but i think they might have added a lot more stuff to actually deploy that | 16:16 |
| jklare | sc` regarding our support of openstack services | 16:17 |
| jklare | sc` i think we moved into a wrong direction for quite some time while we tried to add more and more switch cases to support all scenarios and platform | 16:17 |
| jklare | sc` i am quite sure if we keep going with this new and more generic style of the service cookbooks, we can add new service very fast | 16:18 |
| jklare | sc` but of course you are right, we need more people to commit and work on the project | 16:18 |
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| sc` | yup. that's the rub therein. simplifying the cookbooks to make them easier to extend is one thing. getting people to actually use it is another | 16:27 |
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| sc` | and from what i've been hearing, folks in the community are either dumping chef entirely, or switching to a model where their cloud automation isn't dictated by a particular automation flavor | 16:28 |
| sc` | which brings people back to puppet, or over to ansible | 16:29 |
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| jklare | i do not think that its our responsibility to get people to use chef or our cookbooks | 16:35 |
| jklare | i use them since i think they are as good as any of the other automation solutions | 16:35 |
| jklare | why people choose one or the other is something that depends on so many different things | 16:36 |
| jklare | i think in IT people always tend to run for the cool and new stuff | 16:36 |
| jklare | which does not mean that this is the right decision | 16:37 |
| jklare | i think we are on a very good way with our cookbooks | 16:37 |
| jklare | and if they are usable for us, i am perfectly fine with that | 16:37 |
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| sc` | agreed. i'm quite happy with a set of cookbooks that can be put in production with little if any tampering | 16:39 |
| sc` | whether or not people use them, that's largely beside the point | 16:40 |
| sc` | for our icehouse deployment, the main openstack cookbooks are near 1:1 mirrors from github | 16:41 |
| sc` | so that says something about usability. i just want to keep going forward and hope that all of the operators don't ditch the cookbooks entirely | 16:42 |
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| jklare | sounds good :) | 16:47 |
| jklare | you always have to stay positive as ptl :D | 16:47 |
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| sc` | :D | 17:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-orchestration: Cleanup options deprecated for mitaka https://review.openstack.org/305449 | 20:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-block-storage: Cleanup options deprecated for mitaka https://review.openstack.org/305459 | 20:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-network: Cleanup options deprecated for mitaka https://review.openstack.org/305453 | 20:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cookbook-openstack-object-storage: Normalize error status checking for ext4 https://review.openstack.org/295061 | 20:42 |
| markvan | @core tempest smoke tests running! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305947/ Still need to look at C7 side, but this is close now | 20:44 |
| os-chef-bot | @j^2 @markvan @mattray @wenchma @jklare @cmluciano @zhiwei @sc` tempest smoke tests running! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305947/ Still need to look at C7 side, but this is close now | 20:44 |
| sc` | !!! | 20:45 |
| openstack | sc`: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 20:45 |
| sc` | markvan: might need to install python-subunit for c7 | 20:47 |
| sc` | it's included in the mitaka packages, so something depends on it | 20:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Cassiba proposed openstack/cookbook-openstack-integration-test: Install python-subunit package https://review.openstack.org/309178 | 20:51 |
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