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| os4uinfo | Is there any tutorials about chef and openstack? | 02:43 |
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| sc` | os4uinfo: in what way? | 02:45 |
| os4uinfo | video | 02:47 |
| sc` | i don't think there is anything in video form that is current. even the old stuff is kind of irrelevant except in the broadest strokes possible | 02:48 |
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| sc` | Ramereth: chef-provisioning is pretty rotten on the vagrant layer. i know replacing it will be disruptive, but how disruptive for you? | 19:45 |
| sc` | i stumbled across osl-openstack and was spelunking a bit | 19:48 |
| Ramereth | sc`: ya I agree, but what are the alternatives for multi-node testing? | 19:59 |
| Ramereth | I see you've refactored a bit in newton (which I've just started taking a look at finally) | 19:59 |
| sc` | Ramereth: unfortunately, the least painful path forward was hacking a vagrantfile | 20:00 |
| Ramereth | ugh, i've been actually testing on top of both vagrant and our internal openstack cluster | 20:01 |
| sc` | exhibit A: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465945/4/Vagrantfile | 20:01 |
| sc` | tl;dr no allinone, only multinode in the vagrantfile so as to downplay allinone's perceived usefulness. it can barely fit within 8gb of ram these days, without splitting things like i've done above | 20:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Albertson proposed openstack/cookbook-openstack-telemetry stable/newton: Corrects Ceilometer installation, fixes typo https://review.openstack.org/476260 | 20:03 |
| sc` | and even then, i'm using a little over 8gb total for a multinode vagrant build | 20:03 |
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| Ramereth | our provisioning configuration shouldn't be distrupted by you changing it in the main repo | 20:05 |
| Ramereth | When I was at Chef Summit last fall, I asked about the future of chef-provisioning. Basically they said they'll maintain it but they basically assume everyone will start using something like Terraform for that. (which doesn't help the vagrant use case) | 20:06 |
| Ramereth | so they won't be putting much resources into it sadly | 20:07 |
| sc` | yeah. that's why i started looking at not-chef-provisioning. terraform is worthless for the use case | 20:07 |
| sc` | the only tool that made sense to use was vagrant itself | 20:07 |
| Ramereth | I think for what you're trying to do, its the best tool | 20:08 |
| Ramereth | honestly, testing OS on OS is kind of annoying and I only have that there to ensure all the peices are talking to each other properly | 20:08 |
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| sc` | my vision is to have openstack testing under docker a la kitchen-dokken, but getting there is a bit more involved | 20:20 |
| Ramereth | that's my hope to do on our stuff too, but it is an involved process | 20:22 |
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| sc` | at wd, we originally built our prod openstack stuff in docker. it's a little of an anti-pattern, but it worked for our needs. i'm revisiting that old work, but none of what we wrote translates to modern tooling that much | 20:39 |
| sc` | we never went to production with it, but it was useful in dev | 20:41 |
| Ramereth | I've seen other folks use docker to deploy/update openstack services | 20:43 |
| Ramereth | i'm interested in it, but don't have the time to look into it | 20:43 |
| Ramereth | have you done a mitaka -> newton upgrade yet? | 20:43 |
| sc` | not yet. that's on the roadmap | 20:43 |
| Ramereth | that's what I'm starting to look into | 20:44 |
| sc` | may skip newton, may not. depends on how we feel when we get to that point | 20:44 |
| Ramereth | I'm uneasy about skipping releases in an upgrade | 20:44 |
| sc` | we do forklift upgrades | 20:45 |
| sc` | not "true" upgrades, natch | 20:45 |
| Ramereth | build new clusters? | 20:45 |
| Ramereth | I guess I'd be curious what you mean by "forklift" upgrades | 20:48 |
| sc` | yeah. build new ones and "migrate" downstreams | 20:49 |
| Ramereth | how does the downstream migration work? | 20:50 |
| sc` | coordination and care, and putting a hard expiration date on the current iteration | 20:51 |
| sc` | if that hard date isn't set, nobody will put forth the needed effort | 20:51 |
| sc` | it's the nature of people | 20:51 |
| Ramereth | ya, we did that with our icehouse to mitaka upgrade, but i'm hoping to avoid that moving forward | 20:51 |
| sc` | nod. a few patches have trickled in that help with high-availability, but they're still in review. it has to deal with the db migration | 20:52 |
| sc` | if/when i get more gear at my personal disposal, i'll be trying to work towards an upgrade path. right now, i'm limited to a single 2012 macbook pro | 20:55 |
| sc` | it's my daily driver, so it shares resources with chrome and friends. i replaced chef-provisioning with the vagrantfile because it would tank my laptop in the midst of a multinode | 20:55 |
| Ramereth | I have the luxury of having more hardware on my hands to test it on systems other than my own | 20:58 |
| sc` | yah. all my wd gear is allocated to more revenue-positive things | 21:09 |
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