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| openstackgerrit | xianming.mao proposed openstack/cinder: Move useless FIXME https://review.openstack.org/414399 | 02:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Xu Ao proposed openstack/cinder: [RBD]Add a configuation to enable the volume to be multiattached https://review.openstack.org/418668 | 04:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Tests: Remove more InvalidUUID warnings https://review.openstack.org/418485 | 06:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Xu Ao proposed openstack/cinder: [RBD]Add a configuation to enable the volume to be multiattached https://review.openstack.org/418668 | 06:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhao Liqiang proposed openstack/cinder: Create volume based on volume type with 'replication_enabled=Ture' seccessfully. https://review.openstack.org/418735 | 06:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhao Liqiang proposed openstack/cinder: Create volume based on volume type with 'replication_enabled=Ture' seccessfully. https://review.openstack.org/418735 | 07:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Revert "Swap volume type for migration started by retype" https://review.openstack.org/407089 | 07:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Arnon Yaari proposed openstack/cinder: Use infinisdk for communication with InfiniBox storage array https://review.openstack.org/418451 | 10:01 |
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| shubham0d | geguileo:everytime I try to do incremental backup I get this error.http://paste.openstack.org/show/594519/ | 10:03 |
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| geguileo | did the first backup finish before you tried to do the incremental one? | 10:03 |
| geguileo | you do a list of the backups and it must appear as available | 10:04 |
| geguileo | that's what the error message says | 10:04 |
| shubham0d | geguileo:yes they are available.I have checked by cinder list | 10:05 |
| geguileo | cinder list only list volumes, not backups | 10:05 |
| geguileo | message talks about "parent backup", not source volume | 10:05 |
| shubham0d | geguileo:I have run cinder backup-list and it giving me this.http://paste.openstack.org/show/594520/ | 10:07 |
| geguileo | then the parent backup isn't available, it's in error | 10:08 |
| geguileo | you have to look in the logs to see what the error is | 10:09 |
| shubham0d | geguileo:ok | 10:09 |
| geguileo | or you can request another backup while looking at the c-back logs | 10:09 |
| shubham0d | geguileo:ok | 10:10 |
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| ripsomeday | Hi there, is this a right channel to ask cinder driver development questions, or should I ask in openstack-dev instead? | 10:47 |
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| dulek | ripsomeday: That's the right channel, although I'm not sure if there are a lot of driver developers here in European time. | 10:49 |
| ripsomeday | ok, thanks, will come back later then | 10:50 |
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| dulek | ripsomeday: Well, there's no harm in asking now, maybe it'll ring a bell for someone. :) | 10:51 |
| ripsomeday | dulek: ok, will try :) | 10:52 |
| ripsomeday | so the question is - assuming that cinder driver has multiple pools. is there any proper way to delete pool? I see something like this: 1) make sure no new volumes get into pool 2) migrate all the volumes to other pools 3) do whatever needs to be done in underlying storage to delete pool. what is the proper way to do 1st step? | 10:54 |
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| ripsomeday | or driver is supposed to just not return disabled pool in get_volume_stats, but keep accepting operation on volumes that still on that pool? | 10:55 |
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| shubham0d | can anyone tell me the path of cinder logs? according to openstack documentation it should be in /var/log/cinder/ but I have no such folder. | 11:04 |
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| adrianofr | shubham0d: If you are using devstack you can see then on the screen (screen -r) | 11:09 |
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| shubham0d | adrianofr:ok..thnx | 11:10 |
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| adrianofr | shubham0d: np :) ... they are also available in /opt/stack/logs | 11:12 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/cinder: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/418855 | 11:13 |
| shubham0d | adrianofr:screen doesn't work but find on /opt/stack/logs | 11:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | xianming.mao proposed openstack/cinder: Add ERROR info https://review.openstack.org/416136 | 11:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/os-brick: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/418863 | 11:22 |
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| dims | e0ne : hey, i have a devstack w/ py35 + rally test, i see some failures - http://logs.openstack.org/43/418643/1/check/gate-rally-dsvm-py35-cinder-nv/4256dea/rally-plot/results.html.gz | 11:40 |
| dims | Anyone else interested in poking at py35? ^^ | 11:40 |
| e0ne | dims: hi. I'll take a look on it a bit later | 11:41 |
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| dims | thanks e0ne | 11:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Make APIVersionRequest's null check more pythonic https://review.openstack.org/351768 | 12:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Remove unused PasteAppNotFound exception https://review.openstack.org/416333 | 12:17 |
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| jordanP | smcginnis, 2min about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418922/ ? | 13:20 |
| jordanP | would a feature flag, set to False by default would help here ? | 13:20 |
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| jordanP | manage/unmanage snap is definitely a feature, though optional, of Cinder, so tests are good right ? | 13:21 |
| smcginnis | jordanP: Hey! Yeah, a feature flag would probably be a good answer to that. | 13:23 |
| smcginnis | jordanP: I love having a test to cover it. I just don't like a bunch of CIs failing because they don't support it. ;) | 13:23 |
| jordanP | ok, I'll submit something like this right now | 13:23 |
| smcginnis | jordanP: I'll also comment on the patch. | 13:23 |
| smcginnis | jordanP: Awesome, thanks! | 13:23 |
| jordanP | smcginnis, good | 13:23 |
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| jordanP | it's here | 13:34 |
| jordanP | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418928 | 13:34 |
| jordanP | oomichi, mtreinish ^^ | 13:34 |
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| smcginnis | jordanP: Thank you | 13:38 |
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| jungleboyj | Morning all. :-) | 14:14 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Did you finally get your TV set up? | 14:14 |
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| jungleboyj | Oh yeah! | 14:14 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ian and I had to MacGyver it into place. | 14:16 |
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| smcginnis | Loved that show. :D | 14:18 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. :-) It was too heavy for me to lift the whole thing alone and Ian couldn't lift it much. | 14:20 |
| jungleboyj | Put the base box on coolers to get it above the entertainment center, lifted it out of the packaging and then had Ian help lower it on to the stand which worked. :-) | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | No hoists mounted into the ceiling. | 14:21 |
| jungleboyj | :-) No, that could have helped. | 14:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418567/1 Question on this, are we not requiring for driverfixes that the fixes have merged into the intermediate releases? | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Oh, I see. It's in master, but not in Newton? | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Wait, no, that should be. | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | Merged June 6, 2016. | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: They should be merged in intermediate releases before driverfixes/*, at least as much as possible I think. | 14:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: It is in master but I don't see it in Newton. | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: June 6 would have been just after the Newton-1 milestone. So it should be there. | 14:29 |
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| jungleboyj | Oh duh! Ok, so master was Newton. :-) | 14:30 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for the check there. | 14:31 |
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| smcginnis | ;) | 14:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Report multiattach capability for Hitachi VSP drivers https://review.openstack.org/413428 | 14:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Dovgal proposed openstack/cinder: Add volume type access operations notification https://review.openstack.org/418369 | 15:24 |
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| eantyshev | e0ne: Hello! Could you please look at this change for Vzstorage driver: https://review.openstack.org/357679 ? It has +2 already, and waits for a rather long time | 15:30 |
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| viks | Hi all, can someone please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417537/ | 15:36 |
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| scottda | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/woVg2TOL/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | smcginnis: ^^^ | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Ack | 16:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/cinder: Improvement to get group detail(Part 2) https://review.openstack.org/409694 | 16:21 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: Not sure if you've seen that, but it catches why microversions were introduced back in Kilo: https://dague.net/2015/06/05/the-nova-api-in-kilo-and-beyond-2/ | 16:29 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Not that I disagree that microversioned model has major disadvantages for developers. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I'm fine with microversions. It's more that I'm against this concept that we need to make sure anyone can always deploy from master and upgrade and everything will be supported just fine. | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | dulek yeah thanks! I actually tend to point questions to that exact page | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | dulek I probably shouldn't have mentioned it at all | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | dulek but there's a number of things we've done that makes things more complex than they probably should or need to be which is dissappointing | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | dulek I do think there are better ways of doing it all the way around | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | but it's hard to have any conversations around those things because 1. One project made a choice 2. Consistency across projects is good 3. Many (not all) people don't actually spend time trying to use this stuff | 16:34 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: I guess cross project session at PTG called "Retrospective on Microversions" would help. :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | dulek :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | dulek the problem is honestly changing it at this point would probably be disastorous | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | dulek OpenStack has never been good at API's, and something like pivoting or making a significant change of any sort again would be super bad to do | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | IMO | 16:36 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Well, maybe there are ways of solving the burden that microversions place on developers? I don't think only Cinder people complain. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis yeah, I'm kinda with you on that whole thing | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | dulek that's a great point | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | dulek and yes, I suspect there is a way to make that easier | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | dulek I think that's sort of where smcginnis is headed with his thoughts on things | 16:38 |
| dulek | smcginnis: I guess we'll need to ask ops in Milan - how many of them actually deploy from master? Maybe assumption that people do it isn't really true anymore? | 16:39 |
| ildikov | dulek: I have doubts about too many of them would deploy from master, but it's definitely a good data to have | 16:45 |
| knomura | Anyone willing to a short review? ;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414076/ | 16:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Gluschak proposed openstack/cinder: vzstorage: deprecate vzstorage_mount_options https://review.openstack.org/419042 | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Could have sworn I've seen a patch for the tentative Pike schedule, but don't see it now in the list. | 17:03 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, no biggie. | 17:03 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Looks like it's typically been 8 weeks after the release. | 17:03 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Week of April 17th maybe? | 17:04 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. That would make sense. | 17:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Convert 'parallels' format name to 'ploop' https://review.openstack.org/357679 | 17:07 |
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| jgriffith | dulek you still around? | 17:15 |
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| jgriffith | maybe somebody else might know why passing the volume object in as a function arg is giving me an error? | 17:21 |
| jgriffith | if you look here at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414632/8/cinder/api/v3/attachments.py Line # 168 | 17:21 |
| jgriffith | ildikov captured the error that's hit when it tries to evaluate volume_ref above on line 164 | 17:22 |
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| stevemar | smcginnis: y'all need to release cinderclient more often! | 17:29 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: Oh? | 17:29 |
| stevemar | last release on sept 1, 2016 :O | 17:29 |
| stevemar | and before that jun1, looks like you folks just do one per dev cycle? crrraazy | 17:30 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: I'll take a look at what's gone in since then and see if it makes sense to do a release now or just wait closer to the client freeze. | 17:30 |
| stevemar | "wait closer to client freeze" << *shudders* | 17:30 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: :) | 17:31 |
| stevemar | i guess no other projects depend on cinderclient i suppose (except osc) | 17:31 |
| stevemar | but we don't use the new bits | 17:31 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Well, nova, but things are pretty stable for most core functionality. | 17:31 |
| stevemar | thats what we all say | 17:31 |
| stevemar | :P | 17:32 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 17:32 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: dirk mueller will be bugging you for a release soon-ish i think | 17:32 |
| stevemar | i stick to -- release early, release often | 17:32 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Thanks for the warning. I'll look into getting something queued up. | 17:33 |
| jgriffith | stevemar is there a reason you *need* a new client? | 17:33 |
| jgriffith | stevemar I'm just curious if there's actually something "useful" that people want/need? I guess there have been several adds that are good | 17:36 |
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| stevemar | jgriffith: i was releasing a new keystoneauth version and the requirements team was running extra tests on the new version and noticed something funny with cinderclient | 17:36 |
| jgriffith | stevemar well there's lots of things "funny" with the client, new release won't fix that :) | 17:37 |
| stevemar | jgriffith: turned out to be unrelated, but it sounds like a new release would fix things | 17:37 |
| stevemar | jgriffith: convo here; http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-requirements/%23openstack-requirements.2017-01-11.log.html#t2017-01-11T16:50:57 | 17:37 |
| stevemar | jgriffith: sounds like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400732/ was needed | 17:37 |
| jgriffith | stevemar ahh... got it, cool. Thanks! | 17:38 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis hey.. cruious; have you seen this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/594602/ | 17:38 |
| jgriffith | curious even | 17:38 |
| jgriffith | looks like a new tempest test was added recently | 17:38 |
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| jgriffith | and I apparantly don't implement manage_existing_snapshot | 17:39 |
| jgriffith | surprisingly enough the ABC stuff didn't catch that either | 17:39 |
| * jgriffith hides his sarcasm | 17:39 | |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, I have a revert up for that tempest patch. | 17:39 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis link to get my vote? | 17:39 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: And there's an alternative patch for adding a flag to enable them. | 17:39 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Revert patch: https://review.openstack.org/418922 | 17:40 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Flag patch: https://review.openstack.org/418928 | 17:40 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I'm kind of thinking it might be better to revert it. Different drivers do this in different wats. | 17:40 |
| smcginnis | *ways | 17:40 |
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| jgriffith | yeah | 17:41 |
| smcginnis | Though good to have at least some test coverage on that, so maybe being able to at least do it with LVM is worth it. | 17:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis probably should yes | 17:43 |
| jgriffith | but this is the *trap* of optional features | 17:44 |
| jgriffith | kind of annoying | 17:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Justin A Wilson proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Cinder Client Automatic Microversion Negotiation https://review.openstack.org/417169 | 17:44 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah... | 17:44 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis on the positive side, it's certainly a WIN for the CI efforts | 17:44 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: True, that is a good point. | 17:44 |
| jgriffith | Now if I can just figure out WTF is up with this object thing :( | 17:45 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Looked at that briefly. Seems really odd to me. | 17:45 |
| jgriffith | dulek has a unique *gift* of knowing the EXACT right time to sign off for the night :) | 17:45 |
| smcginnis | skillz | 17:46 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis so what's weird is that if I change it to named args in V3/attachments.py it gets rid of the problem... | 17:46 |
| jgriffith | but then the wrap check in volume/api.py fails for another cryptic thing | 17:46 |
| jgriffith | I think maybe I'll just call it a day and go bowling | 17:47 |
| smcginnis | That's really strange. | 17:47 |
| smcginnis | Hah, sounds like a decent plan. ;) | 17:47 |
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| dirk | smcginnis: are there any plans regarding a python-cinderclient release for ocata? | 18:08 |
| smcginnis | dirk: Hah, stevemar warned me you might come asking. :) | 18:10 |
| smcginnis | dirk: I was planning on waiting until close to the client freeze, but if you need something in there I can try to get something out earlier. | 18:10 |
| dirk | smcginnis: ah, so you've been warned already, sorry ;) | 18:12 |
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| dirk | smcginnis: no, nothing urgent, but I would expect a minimum version bump also to land, which basically means if it comes sooner then others can pick up that min bump earlier | 18:12 |
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| dirk | smcginnis: any time within next week is perfectly good | 18:13 |
| smcginnis | dirk: OK. I'll take another look at what's in there queued up. There are one or two more things I am hoping land in Ocata, but I can always do another release to pick those up if needed. | 18:13 |
| dirk | smcginnis: there hasn't been a release for 3 months or so, that makes me a bit nervous about potential regressions that would need to be sorted out before client freeze | 18:14 |
| dirk | smcginnis: yep, there can be more than one release before the client freeze ;) | 18:14 |
| smcginnis | dirk: Should be fairly safe at this point. I've usually only being doing the releases when new functionality has been needed. | 18:15 |
| smcginnis | dirk: But yeah, never hurts to get releases out regulary. | 18:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder: Mark the sheepdog driver as unsupported https://review.openstack.org/419079 | 18:17 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis haha! Figured it out | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis the wrap_check_policy REQUIRES that the 3'rd arg is a volume! | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis I was passing it in as the 4'th arg | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | :( | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | self, context, volume.... | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | I had self, context, instance_uuid, volume | 18:32 |
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| hemna | eharney, ping | 18:34 |
| eharney | hemna: hey | 18:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: 90% of the time it ends up being something trivial like that. The other 10% of the time it's just something completely wrong. ;) | 18:34 |
| hemna | eharney, do you happen to know what happened to the dmsetup source? the redhat link seems to be incorrect now | 18:35 |
| eharney | hemna: which link was that? | 18:35 |
| hemna | http://sources.redhat.com/dm sends me elsewhere | 18:35 |
| hemna | https://sourceware.org/dm/ | 18:35 |
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| hemna | and the link on that page for the web interface to CVS doesn't have dm anymore | 18:36 |
| hemna | cvs co timeout as well | 18:36 |
| hemna | wanted to see the source for dmsetup remove and what it actually does | 18:36 |
| eharney | i think it's part of the lvm2 tree now: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/lvm2.git/tree/tools/dmsetup.c | 18:37 |
| hemna | huh lvm?! | 18:38 |
| hemna | strange | 18:38 |
| hemna | thanks | 18:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/cinder: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/418855 | 18:59 |
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| hemna | https://releases.openstack.org/schedule.ics | 19:24 |
| hemna | pretty cool! | 19:24 |
| hemna | just imported that into my gmail calendar | 19:24 |
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| patrickeast | hemna: thats super helpful | 19:28 |
| hemna | np. I just saw the ML posts about it and thought I'd share | 19:29 |
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| jgriffith | hemna I know you don't really care.. but to try and explain what I was saying earlier | 19:32 |
| jgriffith | hemna about api versions.. what I was getting at was at the beginning of the cycle you bump to a single number; so rolling release still works | 19:32 |
| jgriffith | hemna any incompat/new changes go under that "new" bumped version | 19:33 |
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| jgriffith | hemna that version points to any "old" call that exists and hasn't been updated | 19:33 |
| jgriffith | so you just use inheritance to make it all come together, but the cool thing is you also still have the ability to specify a specific (or old) version of a call if you like | 19:34 |
| hemna | oh, to v4 | 19:34 |
| hemna | not v3.17 from v3.16 | 19:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Only problem with that I see is the way we use keystone endpoints. :/ | 19:34 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 19:34 |
| jgriffith | yeah, whether it's something like "v4" or whatever is debateable | 19:34 |
| hemna | which is one of the reasons micro versions were created | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | And I've certainly gotten enough crap for even creating a v3. | 19:35 |
| hemna | to avoid the whole keystone debacle | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | yeah.. smcginnis that's where you're idea of things like using a global mv is kinda nifty | 19:35 |
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| jgriffith | hemna smcginnis honestly I think we should route things differently in terms of keystone | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | I think if we were able to do one microversion bump per release, that could simplify things a lot. | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna smcginnis in other words it shouldn't know/care about versions | 19:35 |
| hemna | I think we are too reliant on keystone as well | 19:35 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +2/+a | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | just and endpoint and let said endpoint figure it out | 19:35 |
| hemna | we should work w/o keystone for better standalone support | 19:36 |
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| smcginnis | Should just be one endpoint, then the client decides where to go from there. | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | it's sort of weird to have all that version disco and stuff in keystone IMHO | 19:36 |
| smcginnis | Or queries the API to find out. | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis +10000 | 19:36 |
| hemna | yup | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | anyway, that's a high level view of what I've been trying to get at the last couple times this has come up | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | better or worse I don't know; but probably not worth taking much time on | 19:37 |
| hemna | I think cinder has become way too damn complicated | 19:37 |
| jgriffith | hemna yeah :( | 19:37 |
| jgriffith | hemna complicated is "ok" when you get some real benefit from it | 19:37 |
| hemna | yah | 19:37 |
| jgriffith | but I'm unclear how much we benefit from the complexity we have introduced | 19:37 |
| jgriffith | anyway... maybe I'll just start my new project before big tent goes away :) | 19:38 |
| hemna | :) | 19:38 |
| jgriffith | cinder-lite | 19:38 |
| jgriffith | or maybe small-block | 19:38 |
| hemna | the HA stuff in theory is a nice idea, but it's just grossly overcomplicated now. | 19:38 |
| _alastor_ | jgriffith: +1 | 19:38 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Hey, that was my name! | 19:38 |
| smcginnis | :P | 19:38 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis which one? | 19:38 |
| jgriffith | small-block? | 19:39 |
| smcginnis | cinder-lite | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | or cinder-lite | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | ok... I'll credit you :) | 19:39 |
| smcginnis | Although now I kind of like paver better. ;) | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | haha! paver! | 19:39 |
| hemna | :) | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis you probably told me cinder-lite at some point and it's in my subconcious | 19:39 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 19:39 |
| jgriffith | another year or so everybody will be doing bare-metal and kubernetes anyway so it doesn't matter :) | 19:40 |
| smcginnis | One way or another, I want to find a project to call paver. :) | 19:40 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis well... I've got a few things in the hopper if you want to join forces to use that name :) | 19:40 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I'm game. Just so I can name it. ;) | 19:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder: Add new attachment APIS https://review.openstack.org/414632 | 19:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis it's good to have the priorities straight in these matters! | 19:41 |
| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Attach/Detach V2 https://review.openstack.org/387716 | 19:41 |
| jgriffith | those patches should be reviewable now | 19:44 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: haha, the commentary on the version variable in the patch comment is great | 19:58 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: i spent like an hour trying to figure out why i couldn't see the volume group options on the cinder cli since we hide them if you don't have the magic version numbers | 19:59 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Been there, done that. | 19:59 |
| patrickeast | finally just updated my rc file to be like http://paste.openstack.org/show/594618/ | 19:59 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Ooh, not a bad idea. | 20:00 |
| smcginnis | Or our help could just print out everything and tell you what version you need for those that matter. :) | 20:00 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: haha, thats the part that made me laugh | 20:00 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: because it *does* tell you what version is required, but only after you call the help with the right version | 20:00 |
| smcginnis | ha | 20:01 |
| scottda | There are patches in-flight to do automatic version discovery for the CLI... | 20:02 |
| scottda | That would seem to solve most problems around "What does the server support?" | 20:02 |
| patrickeast | scottda: sweet, i figured it was just a temporary pain, still makes me feel better to complain :D | 20:03 |
| scottda | BTW, patrickeast Happy New Year! | 20:03 |
| scottda | We've discussed whether help should show "just what is supported" or "everything, and the version required". We can always change to the latter, if that's what people want. | 20:04 |
| smcginnis | My preference is the latter. | 20:04 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Yes, I've logged your vote :) | 20:04 |
| smcginnis | Good way to discover "oh, I should upgrade my cloud so I can use this!" | 20:05 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Hehe. I'm persistent. ;) | 20:05 |
| scottda | Yeah, but deployers tend NOT to upgrade clouds... | 20:05 |
| scottda | Seems a recent server had the median at Kilo | 20:05 |
| scottda | That's why it's weird to use the latest client. If your cloud is on Kilo... | 20:05 |
| smcginnis | Extra incentive for them to upgrade if their users are asking why they can't get access to certain versions. | 20:06 |
| scottda | You'd see all manner of features that aren't supported on the server in the Help Or CLI | 20:06 |
| smcginnis | But yeah, I see your point. | 20:06 |
| scottda | I really think the endpoint thing is the biggest SUX | 20:07 |
| scottda | IF it weren't for that, we could do the "normal API thing", bump major versions for breaking changes. | 20:07 |
| scottda | http://<endpoint>/v4/blah...then http://<endpoint>/v5/blah | 20:07 |
| scottda | users just hit the version they want. That's how most APIs work | 20:08 |
| patrickeast | scottda: thanks! yea i tend to like the "show everything" approach and just give an error when they try to use it | 20:08 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Totally agree on the endpoint thing. | 20:08 |
| patrickeast | the endpoint stuff is a pain for sure | 20:08 |
| scottda | Because of keystone | 20:09 |
| ildikov | scottda: BTW you said you fixed the v3 endpoint locally on the meeting | 20:10 |
| scottda | And microversions are just minor versions. They'd mean less if we bumped for major version / breaking changes. | 20:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder: Mark the sheepdog driver as unsupported https://review.openstack.org/419079 | 20:10 |
| ildikov | scottda: what did you change besides the catalog_info? | 20:10 |
| scottda | hitting http://<url>/v4 would get you everything in v3, plus whatever | 20:10 |
| scottda | ildikov: I said that it works for me locally... | 20:11 |
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| scottda | ildikov: I just set the nova.conf setting for cinder and it works. | 20:11 |
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| ildikov | scottda: wow, you're a magician :) | 20:11 |
| scottda | Anyway, it seems that APIs are important, and I'm a fan of consistency within OpenStack.... | 20:12 |
| ildikov | scottda: is that a latest Devstack install? | 20:12 |
| scottda | ildikov: Ha. I'll retest, there might be a regression. | 20:12 |
| ildikov | scottda: +1 for consistency | 20:12 |
| scottda | ildikov: No, this was a while back. I need to re-visit it. | 20:12 |
| ildikov | scottda: ok :) | 20:12 |
| * scottda looks at today's task queue and resists the desire to go take a walk... | 20:13 | |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Make it a run instead so you get back faster. | 20:15 |
| scottda | ha..if I run I might run away. | 20:15 |
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| scottda | alright API debaters, I've added the subject to the PTG agenda. smcginnis jgriffith patrickeast | 20:22 |
| scottda | might just be a Big Giant Rathole | 20:22 |
| scottda | BTW, smcginnis , How about a session on Ocata retrospective? | 20:22 |
| scottda | I figure you should lead it. Plus I'm hogging all the sessions already. | 20:23 |
| smcginnis | scottda: At the PTG? As far as a developer retrospective? | 20:23 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Yeah, kinda a post mortem. | 20:23 |
| scottda | We'd often do this at the Summit, but now.... | 20:23 |
| scottda | Might save us from making the same mistakes over and over...seems we always come back to the same things... | 20:24 |
| scottda | but maybe it's just my mood. Hopefully you are used to ignoring me :) | 20:25 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Nah, sounds good. I've added it to the etherpad. | 20:26 |
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| eharney | smcginnis: would you mind swinging by this patch again? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337814/ | 20:40 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: SUre | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Any idea what's up with the automodule patch of yours? Couldn't figure out why it has infinite recursion. | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | But I'm no sphynx expert. | 20:40 |
| eharney | smcginnis: it seems to be triggered by the patch itself... not really an expert on that but i'm guessing because it's specifying an automodule that matches a module that already exists... or the tools are just broken :) | 20:41 |
| eharney | no idea really... i was considering just removing the automodule line | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, maybe better to just clear out that whole file. | 20:41 |
| eharney | but i haven't gone and learned how it all works enough to know what to do with it | 20:41 |
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| jonesn | smcginnis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1188189 You had closed this bug for cinder back in 2015, but it looks like it's crept back into several drivers. Any suggestions? | 20:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1188189 in OpenStack Security Notes "Some server-side 'SSL' communication fails to check certificates (use of HTTPSConnection)" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Robert Clark (robert-clark) | 20:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder: Add new attachment APIS https://review.openstack.org/414632 | 20:59 |
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| patrickeast | jonesn: you mean drivers that are not validating certificates when they call api's on their underlying storage devices? | 21:01 |
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| xyang1 | patrickeast: jonesn looks like smcginnis closed it because no more drivers uses httplib, instead requests is used | 21:10 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda: Log my vote for showing everything also please. :-) | 21:34 |
| jonesn | xyang1: six.moves.http_client will still call httplib on 2.7, correct? I believe the qnap driver is using that, among a few others. | 21:35 |
| xyang1 | jonesn: that's new, I only searched for httplib | 21:36 |
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| xyang1 | jonesn: httpsconnection is not used, is it a problem using six.moves.http_client | 21:39 |
| xyang1 | jonesn: actually HTTPSConnection is used | 21:41 |
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| smcginnis | jonesn: Sorry, I had stepped away. | 22:01 |
| smcginnis | jonesn: If you see some other specific instances where you think it's wrong, please file new bugs for those. | 22:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samantha Blanco proposed openstack/cinder: Fixes hpelefthandclient AttributeError https://review.openstack.org/393894 | 22:05 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: Hi, I updated that bug with input from jonesn. is it ok or do you want a new bug? | 22:13 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: I guess that one if fine. | 22:16 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: ok, thanks | 22:16 |
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| sdeath | Anyone here? | 22:25 |
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| patrickeast | usually | 22:28 |
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| sdeath | Question about cinder and nova. Openstack Newton on RHEL7, basic install, as-recommended by startup guide (one controller, two comp nodes, one storage[LVM/iSCSI]) - Hypervisor report on dashboard appears to be using local disk for free space calculations instead of the volume group on the storage node. Google doesn't seem to be able to provide any very good definitive (hence IRC). Any guidance? | 22:30 |
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| sdeath | Instance starts are failing for reasons of "not enough disk space" - original config as detailed in Openstack Newton install guide. Tried adding "images_type = lvm" and "images_volume_group = cinder-volumes" to Nova on compute nodes. | 22:33 |
| sdeath | No soap there. | 22:33 |
| patrickeast | sdeath: are you booting the instances from cinder volumes? if not its going to be using local storage on the nova nodes | 22:34 |
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| sdeath | P: I am indeed. | 22:34 |
| patrickeast | sdeath: is the volume big enough for the image? | 22:34 |
| sdeath | If I increase the local disk space to 100GB, none of it is used. | 22:34 |
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| sdeath | ... and volumes are created on the storage node. | 22:34 |
| sdeath | (I can see the LVs being created) | 22:35 |
| smcginnis | sdeath: There is (or was) an outstanding Nova bug that Cinder storage consumption was being used to calculate local nova-compute host free space. | 22:35 |
| smcginnis | But the hypervisor report on the dashboard will always show local disk space. That's the hypervisor info. | 22:35 |
| sdeath | I'm assuming it's a configuration issue on my end, at least initially. | 22:35 |
| sdeath | I have "image_upload_use_cinder_backend = True", "cinder_endpoint_template = http://controller/8776/v2/%(tenant_id)s", and "cinder_os_region_name = RegionOne" set. | 22:37 |
| sdeath | ... in controller:/etc/glance/glance-api.conf. | 22:37 |
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| sdeath | My Googling has terminated, so far, in a conclusion that somehow disk_filter is using local_gb as a way to determine whether or not compute nodes meet the criteria to run instances. Not enough space = that node goes byebye. | 22:41 |
| sdeath | No nodes = no instances. | 22:41 |
| sdeath | It doesn't seem to be understanding that the instance is backed by a volume on the storage node, and therefore it need not worry about it. (It also doesn't appear to be checking current conditions - every time I start an instance, 30GB, let's say, it claws that 30GB out of the compute node's local storage... without using any of it. "df" shows no space used on the compute node. That makes the existence of the storage node | 22:43 |
| sdeath | *useless.) | 22:43 |
| sdeath | Again, I'm assuming there's a piece of this I'm missing, to tell it "Worry about the status of THE STORAGE NODE OVER HERE -------> [Cinderblock], and forget all about the damn local storage, because we don't care about that anyway". | 22:44 |
| sdeath | It is also possible that I have lost my mind and/or my reading comprehension, and am missing something directly in front of my face. | 22:47 |
| sdeath | (likely, even) | 22:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Rakesh Jain proposed openstack/cinder: Autoselection of IBM SVC/Storwize IO group Currently in IBM storwize_SVC driver, user can specify only one IO group per backend definition. With this change, now user can specify a list of IO groups, and at the time of creating the volume, the driver will https://review.openstack.org/415816 | 22:47 |
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| smcginnis | sdeath: No, that sounds exactly like the nova bug I mentioned. | 22:50 |
| sdeath | SMC: so not a config issue, then. | 22:50 |
| sdeath | Or "quite possibly" not. | 22:50 |
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| sdeath | The way you said it, it sounded almost the other way around: it's *not* using the Cinder storage to determine how much space it's got available, so it looks at the local storage, concludes it doesn't have enough, and blows chunks when requested to launch an instance. | 22:52 |
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| smcginnis | sdeath: Sorry, no, it ends up behaving the way you described. | 22:57 |
| smcginnis | sdeath: So most likely not a configuration issue on your side. | 22:57 |
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| sdeath | Hrm. | 23:02 |
| sdeath | What's the obstruction to a fix? | 23:03 |
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| jgriffith | @smcginnis +1 on your analysis, just noticed this again last week myself :( | 23:18 |
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| jgriffith | sdeath smcginnis https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1469179 | 23:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469179 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance.root_gb should be 0 for volume-backed instances" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to melanie witt (melwitt) | 23:20 |
| Swanson | I think I hit that just yesterday. | 23:21 |
| jgriffith | Swanson oh dear.. on master? | 23:21 |
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| jgriffith | admittedly I was at least running against Mitaka IIRC | 23:22 |
| jgriffith | guess I should look and see if it was ever fixed, looks like every attempt was abandoned maybe :( | 23:22 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, Pretty sure that system was latest and greatest. Not impossible I hosed something else. | 23:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder: Cascade + force volume delete parameters https://review.openstack.org/337814 | 23:42 |
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