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| zhugaoxiao | Hi, I got the error,what should I do ? | 02:53 |
| smcginnis | zhugaoxiao: The only reference I can find to that is in Neutron. You see that in the Cinder logs? | 02:54 |
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| zhugaoxiao | in Neutron | 02:57 |
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| zhugaoxiao | smcginnis: Can you give me a hand? | 03:09 |
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| smcginnis | zhugaoxiao: Sorry, not with neutron. | 03:11 |
| zhugaoxiao | ok | 03:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | junbo.li proposed openstack/cinder master: Add response example in API v2 v3 doc https://review.openstack.org/475624 | 03:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/cinder master: Remove the redundant volume/snapshot check https://review.openstack.org/474104 | 07:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Yingzhe Zeng proposed openstack/cinder master: Fix bugs while integrated with Huawei Dorado array https://review.openstack.org/475340 | 07:44 |
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| danpawlik | Morning | 07:57 |
| danpawlik | Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456672/ . Thanks! | 07:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX driver - Replication, replacing SMI-S with REST https://review.openstack.org/466027 | 08:33 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | dulek: Hi could you please remove your -2 from this ^^ as it is ready for review now. thanks | 13:32 |
| dulek | Dinesh_Bhor: Done! :) | 13:36 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | dulek: thank a lot | 13:37 |
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| mriedem | smcginnis: can you change https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/extend-attached-volume to add a dependency to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-support-attached-volume-extend ? | 15:03 |
| mriedem | or jungleboyj or jgriffith: ^ | 15:03 |
| mriedem | and change the assigne to mgagne | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: I am not sure if I can. In a meeting but will try to do it. | 15:05 |
| jgriffith | I can do it | 15:05 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Cool. Thanks! | 15:05 |
| mriedem | jungleboyj: jgriffith: thanks, i forgot smcginnis was traveling this week | 15:07 |
| mriedem | also, i've left some comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454287/ | 15:07 |
| mriedem | that really needs to be a new microversion and a new policy rule for the new behavior | 15:07 |
| mriedem | since 95% of nova backends aren't going to support this initially, so an operator is going to need to be able to disable the api on the cinder side via policy globally | 15:08 |
| jgriffith | sigh... | 15:09 |
| jgriffith | as somebody that's been consuming OpenStack API's and trying to write code against them lately the thought of another micro bump makes me want to go work on other things :( | 15:09 |
| jgriffith | I guess that means I'm doing it wrong | 15:10 |
| mriedem | if you have a controlled environment where everything is always the latest, then sure you have no problems | 15:11 |
| mriedem | if you're a public cloud it's a different story | 15:11 |
| jgriffith | mriedem yeah... not public clouds. The trick though is I can't just say "always use latest" | 15:11 |
| jgriffith | because latest may in fact be incompatable | 15:12 |
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| jgriffith | so then it's a real pain to actually go through and analyze/choose the specific versions to implement and support | 15:12 |
| jgriffith | and even worse when something changes and now my consumer code gets to do some form of the micro-version dance as well | 15:13 |
| jgriffith | Maybe I'm just doing this wrong, because it seems that the authors and majority of folks think it's "GREAT", so I just must be doing it wrong | 15:13 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: the point of microversions is that your client side app code pins to a microversion and the server side behavior doesn't change on you unless you opt in to changes | 15:14 |
| jgriffith | mriedem I get that | 15:14 |
| mriedem | otherwise if the api behavior changes from release to release with no indication it breaks your app and you do'nt know why | 15:14 |
| mriedem | release to release, cloud to cloud that is | 15:15 |
| jgriffith | mriedem the problem is from an impl/consumer standpoint this causes more problems than it solves | 15:15 |
| jgriffith | mriedem and IMO developers have seen it as a great excuse to write shitty API's | 15:16 |
| jgriffith | and churn on them needlessly | 15:16 |
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| jgriffith | anyway.. not arguing about the philosophy or anything | 15:16 |
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| mriedem | if you have code running on multiple clouds which are at different versions, i'd say this solves a lot of headaches in figuring out weird behavior between them | 15:16 |
| mriedem | i'm pretty sure clarkb and mordred have dealt with that a ton in infra | 15:17 |
| jgriffith | meh.. I'm mixed on that whole thing | 15:17 |
| mriedem | i will agree there is a lot of churn | 15:17 |
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| jgriffith | I'm also mixed on how much weight that should carry these days | 15:17 |
| mriedem | which can make the api controller code very gorpy | 15:17 |
| jgriffith | I know, clark and mordred are passionate about this topic and rightfully so | 15:17 |
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| jgriffith | But I think our API's sucked before, and I think they're starting to suck even more | 15:18 |
| jgriffith | just because we give you a locked version to make you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't fix the real problem IMO | 15:18 |
| jgriffith | Stop writing shitty API's and stop breaking them | 15:18 |
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| jgriffith | and for the love of all that is <whatever> stop making them so complex | 15:18 |
| mriedem | it's hard to say when we don't get any end user feedback on people actually consuming the apis with microversions really, at least from the user survey - the only feedback i get is from infra | 15:19 |
| jgriffith | because the unnecessary complexity is why you have so many problems in the first place | 15:19 |
| jgriffith | mriedem yeah, the lag time for adoption makes it tricky I think | 15:19 |
| jgriffith | the other problem is from a private cloud perspective it's not as big of a problem | 15:20 |
| jgriffith | so then you just need really good feedback from multiple public clouds | 15:20 |
| jgriffith | anyway | 15:20 |
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| jgriffith | I just think our API's suck | 15:20 |
| jgriffith | which is too bad | 15:20 |
| jgriffith | mriedem one final counter point about the public cloud compatibility thing... | 15:21 |
| jgriffith | mriedem and mordred ... | 15:21 |
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| jgriffith | at some point somebody needs to decide; are we a platform to build clouds or are we a product | 15:22 |
| jgriffith | because we keep trying to be both | 15:22 |
| jgriffith | and frankly as long as you try and do both you'll never do either one really well | 15:22 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: while the big tent discussion is still smoldering in the dev list, why don't you fire that one back up too :) | 15:22 |
| jgriffith | mriedem no thanks | 15:22 |
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| jgriffith | mriedem :) | 15:23 |
| jgriffith | mriedem I'll just keep my thoughts and opinons to myself, it's better that way :) | 15:23 |
| jgriffith | and much safer | 15:23 |
| jgriffith | or at least restrict them to the cinder channel where it's relatively warm and hospitable (and people know how to ignore me after all these years) :) | 15:24 |
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| tommylikehu | thanks mriedem, jgriffith will help mgagne to update the patch later :) | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | TommyLike proposed openstack/cinder master: Cinder volume revert to snapshot https://review.openstack.org/391736 | 15:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed openstack/cinder master: Remove deprecated keymgr code https://review.openstack.org/468252 | 15:50 |
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| mordred | jgriffith: fun scrollback | 16:25 |
| mordred | jgriffith: my take is that in year one we were DEFINITELY a platform to build clouds, which is the hole we're still digging ourselves out of API-wise ... but since then we've been moving more and more to being a "product" - although I don't think that's actually the right word | 16:25 |
| mordred | jgriffith: (I know what you mean though, so I don't think we need to bikeshed on the word product for _this_ conversation) | 16:26 |
| mordred | the best examples I have of why this matters even for non-public cloud use-cases | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | mordred but but... bike shedding on words is a thing lately I thought :) | 16:26 |
| * jgriffith is listening | 16:26 | |
| mordred | are the ansible modules and the k8s openstack provider | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | mordred funny you should mention those | 16:27 |
| mordred | if we're just a platform people cna use to buld a cloud, then those two thigns have no chance of working | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | and in particular the k8s provider which I happen to be working on | 16:27 |
| mordred | and there would need to be a k8s provider for each user's openstack install thatis specific to whatever local choices they made | 16:27 |
| mordred | jgriffith: yup | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | well.. here's the thing though | 16:27 |
| mordred | jgriffith: btw -just spun up a new mailing list - you should join it! :) | 16:27 |
| mordred | jgriffith: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-api-consumers | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | mordred so to be clear, I completely realize the *problem* you're describing and I agree whole heartedly with you that it doesn't work | 16:28 |
| mordred | jgriffith: :) | 16:28 |
| mordred | jgriffith: I mean - it DOES work - it's just hard and undocumented | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | thnks for the ML link btw.. will sign up | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | mordred well... ok, that's fair | 16:29 |
| mordred | jgriffith: the gophercloud dude should be on there | 16:29 |
| mordred | jgriffith: one of the things we're trying to get done in the sort term is make sure all the folks writing api-consuming sdks and/or things like k8s-openstack provider at _least_ have the same information about how it works | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | mordred so the thing about microversions is I don't see it addressing the underlying problem, in fact it's creating an unbelievable amount of churn in Cinder | 16:29 |
| mordred | jgriffith: which thing about microversions isn't helping? | 16:30 |
| mordred | jgriffith: there is, fwiw, a GIANT misunderstanding about microversion value from an api consumer perspective | 16:30 |
| mordred | that I owe folks a blog post on | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | mordred so it helps in terms of at least now there's a common version that we should all be able to rely on | 16:30 |
| mordred | jgriffith: yes indeed. that part is a great step one | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | what I'm seeing thoough is it's a crutch to allow shitty behaviors in API | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | mordred so for example.. go back to the proposal of a single Version number based on release... | 16:31 |
| mordred | wait - what? that's a TERRIBLE idea | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | mordred I know.. everybody made it very clear to me that I was an idiot | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:31 |
| mordred | jgriffith: :) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | mordred you don't need to beat me on that any more (although I still disagree) :) | 16:32 |
| mordred | jgriffith: well - one of the problems is how python-*client have implemented this | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | mordred or hasn't | 16:32 |
| mordred | jgriffith: with a version number given at constructor time | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | nobody has been able to figure out how to sort that mess | 16:32 |
| mordred | jgriffith: the thing is - microversions are a per-http request thing | 16:32 |
| mordred | not a per-client connection thing | 16:32 |
| mordred | that's why they're good and why they have ANY value over just normal api versions | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | mordred so that helps, if in fact people view it that way | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | but they don't | 16:32 |
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| mordred | right- because python-*client does it at connection time | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | right | 16:33 |
| mordred | which makes your suggestion makes much more sense | 16:33 |
| mordred | we've been working on api consumption docs to make this clearer | 16:33 |
| mordred | but also I owe a blog post- so I'll writ ethat on the plane I'm about to get on | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | mordred link? | 16:33 |
| mordred | and maybe we can follow that up with a good discussion | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | Oh | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | You owe | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | plane.. phissh | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | go figure | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: Add thin-provisioning-tools to bindep https://review.openstack.org/475094 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | mordred well thanks for the info and thoughts | 16:34 |
| mordred | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg+branch:master+topic:version-discovery http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/consuming-catalog.html and where the current specs about consuming are at | 16:35 |
| mordred | jgriffith: they don't have a "here's how to do per-request versioning" yet - I'll write that as soon as I do the blog post | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | mordred cool, thanks | 16:35 |
| mordred | jgriffith: but they do capture everything we know to be true about consuming discovery information across openstack so that we can get all of the sdks aligned and all at least doing the same thing there | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | I still think there are fundamental problems with how we approach API's that should be changed, but alas I'm not the smartest guy in the room to drive that | 16:36 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, jungleboyj interested in a workday next week? | 17:03 |
| diablo_rojo | mriedem_bowlcut, can come too | 17:03 |
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| sdague | can I get another review on this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473901/ - as the new keystoneauth means we need to tweak things for global_request_id | 17:55 |
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| mriedem | diablo_rojo: sean and i are going to be in china | 17:59 |
| mriedem | so not going to work... | 17:59 |
| diablo_rojo | mriedem, when do you guys leave? | 18:00 |
| diablo_rojo | and get back? | 18:00 |
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| chhavi | hemna: Please review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461850/ | 18:12 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yeah, I was going to say that Sean is out of town. I am just getting back from Raleigh and then leaving again for 4th of July in Michigan. I think Sean said he flies out Saturday and gets back just before the 4th. | 18:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, you are in Raleigh now? | 18:59 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yep. | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay. I was going to say we could do something Friday, but I guess if no one is around. | 19:00 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I don't get back until late Friday night. | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, around on Friday? | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, next week is the last full week I will be around before the move. | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Just wanted to sneak one more work day in :) | 19:03 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I don't think smcginnis Is back on Friday. Could be wrong. | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh well :) | 19:06 |
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| Swanson | Did the brick connect and disconnect changes merge? | 19:16 |
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| hemna | Swanson, looks like they did | 19:18 |
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| Swanson | hemna, thanks! (Slowly going through 70 browser tabs looking for that review.) | 19:19 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455393/ | 19:19 |
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