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| tommylikehu | hey jungleboyj , ildikov do you mean to use policy to limit multiattach volume's attachments that only only one could been set with R/W flag? | 01:09 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: using policy to control whether we have read only or read right attachments for volumes. We need to consider both. | 01:11 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: it's not related how many r/o or r/w attachments we can have for one specific volume, right? | 01:14 |
| jungleboyj | No. That would be something to try to figure out in the future. Initially it would just be setting policies as to whether or who can do read only versus read write. | 01:17 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: same to this case? https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/api.py#L1405 | 01:17 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: I think it would be a little more complicated than that as it would be using policy to determine who could attach read/write and read-only . | 02:21 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: ok | 02:22 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Do we have any place else where we do anything like that/ | 02:22 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: so your point is to add more granularity in that case, not only the project owner or admin. | 02:26 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Well, I think the starting point is to use policy with admin or not admin. | 03:11 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: I need to think about it more though. | 03:11 |
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| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: good! | 03:12 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: tommylikehu: we would like to have the ability to turn this on and off first | 03:14 |
| ildikov | We just couldn't figure it out yesterday with johnthetubaguy that how R/W and R/O right now after a quick look | 03:15 |
| tommylikehu | ildikov: extend attach volume has the same case | 03:15 |
| tommylikehu | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/api.py#L1405 | 03:15 |
| ildikov | So I thought bring up both here as a heads up where we need help on | 03:15 |
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| ildikov | tommylikehu: yep, I saw the link | 03:15 |
| ildikov | tommylikehu: we might want more variations than that in the future, but maybe some of that should happen on the Nova side | 03:16 |
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| ildikov | tommylikehu: I don't see our options clearly on this one yet as we didn't really play with R/W and R/O that much in the past | 03:17 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: You are still up? | 03:18 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: no, I slept 2-2.5 hours | 03:18 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: going to the airport right now | 03:19 |
| jungleboyj | So I have been thinking about this since we talked about this earlier and I seem to have myself wrapped around the axle. | 03:19 |
| tommylikehu | ildikov: safe tri[ | 03:19 |
| tommylikehu | trip | 03:19 |
| ildikov | tommylikehu: thank you! | 03:19 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Hope you can get some sleep on the plane. | 03:20 |
| ildikov | Will try :) | 03:20 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Maybe I am not understanding what you are thinking with the extend attached volume? | 03:21 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: guess you do. That one only provides seperate policy for difference cases( attached or nor) | 03:23 |
| jungleboyj | With the extend attached volume it is ... ok that was just what I was about to say. | 03:24 |
| tommylikehu | need more investigate on that. | 03:25 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Yeah, because here we are talking about two different options for a policy. | 03:29 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: So, the basic case would be to be able to enable or disable attaching read/write for a multi-attached volume. | 03:30 |
| jungleboyj | The problem is that John is proposing that 'shared_volume' be the default case which seems to make having a policy for it useless. | 03:31 |
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| jungleboyj | If we had 'shared_volume' as False by default then we could have a policy that when 'true' only admin could attach read/write or something. | 03:32 |
| tommylikehu | ok | 03:34 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Am I making any sense> | 03:34 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: sure | 03:34 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: but nothing come to mind for your case now, sorry | 03:36 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Ok, no worries. I will keep thinking about it and maybe chat with smcginnis and get his inputs. | 03:37 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: ha, great! | 03:38 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Let me know if you have any thoughts. | 03:43 |
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| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: no problem | 03:44 |
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| jgriffith | Has anybody else had problems running single unit tests? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: ^^ | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | I'm not sure sure but I think it conincided with stestr | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I have always had issues getting one test to run. :-) | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | but something like `tox -epy27 -- cinder.tests.unit.test_foo` no longer seems to work | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | hmm | 16:48 |
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| lhx_ | jgriffith, ++ | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Did that ever? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: oh yes, it did; I use that heavily | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: From what I've always done, you either need -n for a specific test or -r for a regex match. | 16:51 |
| lhx_ | jgriffith, all the command in this page doesn't work? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Testr#Debugging_.28pdb.29_Tests | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: At least that's how it's been documented: https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/contributor/testing.html#running-a-subset-of-tests-using-tox | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: let me check -n | 16:51 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: +1 | 16:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Gorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder master: Run backup compression on native thread https://review.openstack.org/507510 | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: FYI https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Testr | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith -- worked a long time ago. Been a while since I tried it though. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Huh, never tried that. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Looks like debugging is the same, just don't need to get the list of tests. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | I always just activate the venv, then "python -m testtools.run cinder.tests.unit.test_stuff" | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: hehe, that's what I've been doing :) | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | I proposed a patch long long ago for --debug and pdb | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | ok... well just me then | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | never mind :) | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Patch to ostestr? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Don't suppose it's still out there? I think that would be very useful. | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | it was actually removing the requirement for --debug IIRC | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: it was years ago and merged, but I don't know if that whole thing works any more or not | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Huh, I'll have to give it a shot next time. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | It still works | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | Nice - good to know. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | add your pdb statement then run `tox -epy27 -- -n cinder.tests.unit.test_foo` | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | and yes, you're correct my problem is solved if I use -n | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Cool | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | -r can come in handy too. | 16:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: Fix api-ref for reset group snapshot https://review.openstack.org/507892 | 17:12 |
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| lhx_ | jungleboyj, smcginnis, could you help review ^? | 17:34 |
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| jungleboyj | mriedem: You around? | 18:29 |
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| mriedem | sort of | 18:33 |
| mriedem | something something forum multiattach | 18:34 |
| mriedem | go ahead | 18:34 |
| mriedem | i haven't posted any forum topics yet | 18:34 |
| mriedem | not sure what there will be to talk about besides people saying, "yes make it happen" | 18:34 |
| mriedem | could give a background on prequisites, and questions to ops about what policy rules they need | 18:35 |
| mriedem | jungleboyj: ^ | 18:35 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: Well and also an opportunity to share the progress we have made. | 18:36 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: Man, should I be scared I don't event to say what I want? | 18:36 |
| mriedem | i saw your mention in the cinder meeting | 18:37 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem: :-) | 18:37 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I will propose the session. | 18:38 |
| smcginnis | mriedem, jungleboyj: I think it might be good to have the discussion with ops around R/W, R/O, and how to manage that. Expected user experience, etc. | 18:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, that is good. We know that they want multi-attach but I think we need to better understand how they are going to use it. | 18:39 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: +1, my thought exactly | 18:47 |
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| ildikov | smcginnis: we will go with a basic on/off as starting point most probably, but it would be beneficial to understand how they will use it beyond that | 18:48 |
| smcginnis | ;) Lots of people are asking for it. I'm concerned that even though they are all asking for "multiattach", what that means to each of them may be slightly different. | 18:50 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Right. I wonder how many are going to assume we have done some magic to make it work with all backends/filesystems, etc . | 18:50 |
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| smcginnis | And that they can just format it ext4 and read/write from all their hosts. | 18:51 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah ... | 18:52 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Have we really been working on multi-attach since 2013? | 19:03 |
| smcginnis | Yerp | 19:04 |
| smcginnis | In one form or another. | 19:04 |
| jungleboyj | Because that is what the Spec and Blueprints go back to. | 19:04 |
| jungleboyj | This stuff is all really old though. | 19:06 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we were "done" with multiattach around kilo I think. Until we realized it couldn't be used by anyone. | 19:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Bwah ha ha. Maybe we have it right this time? | 19:08 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, I have our submissions in. | 19:16 |
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| ildikov | Nice, thanks guys! | 19:20 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: No problem. | 19:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder master: Clean up api-ref index page https://review.openstack.org/507959 | 20:22 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: You around? | 20:40 |
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| smcginnis | Funny, I was just going to ping jgriffith. | 20:44 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) I need someone with experience in iscsi and LVM. | 20:52 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 20:52 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: You around? | 21:04 |
| eharney | smcginnis: yep | 21:05 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: So... this lvm_max_over_provisioning_ration setting. | 21:05 |
| smcginnis | eharney: It's confusing AF. | 21:05 |
| eharney | smcginnis: well, maybe | 21:05 |
| smcginnis | eharney: You think we still need that? I think it may do more harm than good. | 21:05 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i didn't really want it in the first place... it was a compromise instead of changing the default over provisioning ratio (which IMO we should still do) | 21:06 |
| smcginnis | If we default to thin, and we overprovision by default, I kinda think we should treat LVM just like any other backend. If that doesn't work for them, then they can set the ratio to something more appropriate for there environment. | 21:07 |
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| smcginnis | *their | 21:07 |
| eharney | who can? | 21:08 |
| smcginnis | eharney: They deployer. | 21:09 |
| smcginnis | *The gah!! | 21:09 |
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| eharney | i still believe it isn't reasonable to ask deployers to change settings if they don't want the default ratio of 20x... this seems very unsafe to me | 21:11 |
| smcginnis | Key part there was "if they don't want". If they are fine running thin provisioned then it should allow over provisioning. Kind of the whole point IMO. | 21:12 |
| eharney | i don't see why this is the one case where we default to something that will blow your foot off if you aren't paying attention... it should be opt-in, not opt-out | 21:12 |
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| eharney | maybe they don't know they don't want it until their array fills up | 21:13 |
| smcginnis | It won't though. As long as they don't consume all the actual space. People are pretty used to how thin provisioning works from what I've seen. | 21:14 |
| smcginnis | I think there's more of an issue with "why the heck can't a create more volumes when they're all thin provisioned?" | 21:14 |
| eharney | well, that seems likely to be because cinder and a lot of drivers weren't even computing space statistics correctly, which is being fixed up now, right? | 21:15 |
| eharney | given some of Gorka's recent findings, a lot of people using thin provisioning weren't relying on the calculations they thought they were anyway | 21:16 |
| smcginnis | They were off, sure. But they would still allow some over provisioning. | 21:16 |
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| eharney | at any rate, i wouldn't be terribly opposed to ditching the LVM-specific setting i guess | 21:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder master: Deprecate LVM overprovisioning ration and deprecate https://review.openstack.org/507985 | 21:18 |
| eharney | now that we're getting backend_defaults config options, there's other ways to address the issue that weren't available before | 21:18 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Let's see how it goes. ^^ :) | 21:18 |
| eharney | since another motivation for having that option was that it wasn't possible to include a default conf setting in a cinder package | 21:18 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: True. Now could set to a "safer" number easier for all backends. | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder master: Deprecate LVM overprovisioning ratio and deprecate https://review.openstack.org/507985 | 21:19 |
| smcginnis | Just can not type today. | 21:19 |
| eharney | smcginnis: that commit summary is kind of redundant and redundant | 21:19 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Please shut down your CI. | 21:19 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Doh! I meant to mention not override. | 21:20 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: sure, one sec | 21:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/cinder master: Stop overriding LVM overprovisioning ratio and deprecate https://review.openstack.org/507985 | 21:20 |
| patrickeast | zuuls off | 21:21 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Thank you. :) | 21:21 |
| eharney | smcginnis: your bug report points out the other issue with this setting... nobody can remember if it's spelled "oversubscription" or "over_subscription" :) | 21:23 |
| smcginnis | eharney: We seem to favor over_sub_script_ion | 21:23 |
| eharney | lol | 21:23 |
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| smcginnis | logical_volume_manager_over_sub_scription_rati_o | 21:24 |
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| * smcginnis can finally get back to testing scale on my tiny test machine | 21:26 | |
| jgriffith | Oh!! I see I missed my favorite debate :) Sweet! | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | and jungleboyj TBF, I didn't tweet it but multi-attach has been in use by Cinder consumers since K | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | it actually works, just not with Nova | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | and not if you're dumb :) | 21:33 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Really? | 21:37 |
| jungleboyj | I knew some IBM customers were using it. | 21:37 |
| jungleboyj | So, how are customers using it if not with Nova? | 21:38 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: please fix your CI | 21:41 |
| patrickeast | jungleboyj: its on the list.. | 21:41 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 21:41 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: and there's also local changes in the Cinder code depending on what driver they use | 21:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: They set the multi-attach flags and ignore the status checks on things | 21:44 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: and even my never merged Nova patches made it into production | 21:44 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Yeah, that was what I was thinking of that IBM had done. | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: IIRC both Gophercloud and Rexray do this | 21:45 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: so it's really time to fix the mess now... :) | 21:45 |
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| jgriffith | It was time as soon as that code landed :) | 21:45 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so my tweet should be that we need to make it official. :-) | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | where getting there | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | but I'm trying to figure somethign out that used to be "ez" | 21:46 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I know, was just chewing on it for fun :) | 21:46 |
| jgriffith | I'm introducing a new column to a table, and when I do that I want to also insert a value for said new column | 21:46 |
| jgriffith | it used to be I would add the column, the do a list on the table and iterate through look for column.value == None and update it | 21:46 |
| jgriffith | but that doesn't seem to be working oddly | 21:46 |
| ildikov | In what way does that not work? | 21:47 |
| jgriffith | https://gist.github.com/j-griffith/cf45938a373cab99d6dab4ae0f91a119 | 21:48 |
| jgriffith | result is that I have my columns, but they're Null | 21:49 |
| jgriffith | it's been so long since I've done any real DB migrations that it's sad | 21:49 |
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| ildikov | But if you set it nullable=True and not giving it a default value it doesn't seem fully odd | 21:51 |
| ildikov | But I didn't do too many DB migrations | 21:52 |
| ildikov | at all... | 21:52 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: We have existing migrations that do something similar. | 22:27 |
| smcginnis | Or at least we did. | 22:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: Api-ref: change 'tenant' to 'project' in v2 doc https://review.openstack.org/507813 | 22:58 |
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