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| openstackgerrit | Hamdy Khader proposed openstack/cinder master: Adding NVMET target for NVMeOF https://review.openstack.org/505556 | 10:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Unana Okpoyo proposed openstack/cinder master: This commit deprecates the use of xml file for backend configuration for the vmax. The configuration should be included in the cinder.conf file for security and uniformity https://review.openstack.org/508843 | 10:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Unana Okpoyo proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX driver - Deprecate backend xml configuration https://review.openstack.org/508843 | 11:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Unana Okpoyo proposed openstack/cinder master: VMAX driver - Deprecate backend xml configuration https://review.openstack.org/508843 | 11:19 |
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| lpigueir | hello guys | 11:36 |
| lpigueir | stupid question (if anybody knows), is there any reason why this line is not converting the created_at timestamp into isoformat? | 11:37 |
| lpigueir | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/68c668cfc87a006b6c8e2528c4b951b66e5a7ec6/cinder/volume/utils.py#L174 | 11:37 |
| smcginnis | lpigueir: Probably not. | 11:39 |
| lpigueir | i'm asking because when panko tries to insert into ES, it complains that the format is not correct | 11:43 |
| lpigueir | it only happens with the snapshot notifs | 11:43 |
| lpigueir | would you accept a patch? | 11:43 |
| smcginnis | lpigueir: That should be fine. I just wonder about existing records though. | 11:44 |
| smcginnis | lpigueir: Oh, probably not an issue here. | 11:45 |
| lpigueir | ok cool, I'll do a pr then with this :) | 11:51 |
| lpigueir | thanks | 11:51 |
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| arnewiebalck | lpigueir: _usage_from_backup probably as well? | 11:53 |
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| lpigueir | arnewiebalck: yup | 11:58 |
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| hemna_ | guwak | 14:02 |
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| lbragstad | tommylikehu: o/ couple more suggestions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506976/8 but those can be addressed in a subsequent patch, too | 14:36 |
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| ericyoung | silly question... what's the process for getting Zuul to +1 when it should? Wait until it's fixed? recheck? | 14:49 |
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| smcginnis | ericyoung: Their were a few jobs that did not get migrated correctly from zuul v2 to v3. They are slowly getting fixed up. | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | ericyoung: A recheck may take care of it now. If there is still a job with an issue, we should try to get that fixed. | 14:56 |
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| smcginnis | Infra has been working through a lot, but anything we can do without waiting on them will help speed things up. | 14:57 |
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| ericyoung | smcginnis, thanks. I'll try a recheck and see what happens. May need to call the ghostbusters | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | ericyoung: ;) | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder-specs master: Support create volume from backup https://review.openstack.org/506004 | 15:02 |
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| tommylikehu | lbragstad: Thanks, it's our national days this week. Will update the patches ASAP when coming back! | 15:19 |
| lbragstad | tommylikehu: no worries - thanks for the update! | 15:20 |
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| jungleboyj | jbernard: You around? | 16:12 |
| jbernard | jungleboyj: heya | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | jbernard: Hey! Follow up from the PTG. I have a note that you are going to look at replication failback. | 16:13 |
| jbernard | jungleboyj: yes, i owe you a spec very soon | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | :-) So, I found this as I was going through specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408830/ | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | Do you want to pull that forward to queens or should we abandon and start over? | 16:14 |
| jbernard | jungleboyj: that's a great question, im inclined to pull it forward | 16:15 |
| jbernard | jungleboyj: with perhaps a few changes, but in general it's still relevant | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | jbernard: Ok, I will comment on it accordingly. | 16:15 |
| jbernard | jungleboyj: is it best to rebase and push? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | That way we can keep the history there. | 16:16 |
| jbernard | yes, i think that would be good | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | jbernard: I am not sure the easiest way to pull that forward. Yeah, rebase and then make additional changes? | 16:17 |
| jbernard | i think as long as i rebase and maintain the change-id, the history will stay intact | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, it should. | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder-specs master: Update use-oslo_db-enginefacade spec https://review.openstack.org/508655 | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: do you have a link handy for latest stestr docs? | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Docs? Who reads docs? | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: apparently Ivan does :) | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Haha, true. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: and I was thinking... hmm; read docs for 5 minutes or thrash for an hour | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | I chose thrash for an hour, but different strokes for different folks I suppose :) | 16:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajini Karthik proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell PS: Optimize parsing of capacity info from backend https://review.openstack.org/508938 | 16:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajini Karthik proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell PS: Optimize parsing of capacity info from backend https://review.openstack.org/508938 | 16:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elad Zucker proposed openstack/cinder master: XtremIO: extending volume in create_volume_from_snapshot https://review.openstack.org/508771 | 17:27 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: we all read docs when nothing else seems to work | 17:28 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: or on Monday :) | 17:28 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Strange | 17:28 |
| smcginnis | :) | 17:28 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: Mondays? | 17:28 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: Always!!! :) | 17:28 |
| smcginnis | Hah, yep | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | jgriffith: http://stestr.readthedocs.io/en/latest/MANUAL.html ? | 17:49 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: thank you sir | 18:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Switch from ostestr to stestr https://review.openstack.org/508624 | 18:45 |
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| mtreinish | jgriffith: fwiw for that doc change -n should still work fine (and be a little faster) | 18:56 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: ahh.. ok; I'll add that as an option then | 19:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Switch from ostestr to stestr https://review.openstack.org/508624 | 19:10 |
| jgriffith | gosh dangit | 19:10 |
| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Switch from ostestr to stestr https://review.openstack.org/508624 | 19:12 |
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| jgriffith | last one, not doing any more | 19:12 |
| jgriffith | unless somebody asks me to | 19:12 |
| jgriffith | :) | 19:12 |
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| mtreinish | jgriffith: ^^^ what's "<Paste>" ? | 19:15 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: pretty please ;) | 19:16 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: OHHH... you can see those? | 19:22 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: sigh | 19:22 |
| jgriffith | it's an irssi plugin that puts url's into a buffer | 19:22 |
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| jgriffith | so then I can do `slash` openurl 'n' and it opens it for me | 19:22 |
| jgriffith | I never considered that it's not being displayed in it's own private buffer.. that's sorta dumb | 19:23 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I don't see it? | 19:24 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: But I have join/leave and things like that suppressed, so maybe it hides it. | 19:24 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: What plugin is that? Sounds useful. | 19:24 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: it's just openurl | 19:25 |
| jgriffith | however if you're running through ssh to another server you're stuck with things like text-based web engine :( | 19:25 |
| mtreinish | jgriffith: it's in your patch... | 19:25 |
| mtreinish | jgriffith: I don't see them in irc | 19:25 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: ? noooo! | 19:25 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Lynx FTW. | 19:25 |
| jgriffith | OMG | 19:26 |
| jgriffith | Mondays suck | 19:26 |
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| smcginnis | mtreinish: Hah, now I see it. | 19:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Switch from ostestr to stestr https://review.openstack.org/508624 | 19:27 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | Ceph Luminous brings ‘rbd trash’, kind of an image “soft delete”: rather than being deleted immediately, volumes will be moved to the trash dir and can be deleted later (by a periodic clean-up task, for instance). The idea is to allow to revert accidental volume deletions, but it would make deletions also instantaneous from the users’ point of view as the move trash is very fast. Worth adding a | 19:27 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | blueprint? | 19:27 |
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| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: Could. I know a few other volume backends that put volumes into a"recycle bin". | 19:28 |
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| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: could be used by them. But when I was working for one of those, we decided if lifecycle was being managed externally we should just let cinder control it completely and a "cinder delete" would bypass the recycle bin. | 19:29 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: Actually, I’d like an “rbd delete —in-one-week”, but I don’t think Ceph wants to do the book keeping :) | 19:32 |
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| eharney | handling encryption key deletion would be tricky in that case | 19:33 |
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| arnewiebalck_ | smcginnis: If Ceph would have an “rbd purge” with a time parameter, the periodic task on the Cinder side would be pretty simple as we wouldn’t need to loop over all volumes. | 19:33 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck_: Definitely doable. | 19:34 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: no it's not :) | 19:34 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: :P | 19:34 |
| jgriffith | technially, it's "doable" and rather simple | 19:34 |
| jgriffith | but as long as I can vote -2 and I see the patch :) | 19:34 |
| jgriffith | not doable | 19:34 |
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| smcginnis | I'm fine with that. :D | 19:34 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jgriffith: what’s wrong with the idea? | 19:34 |
| jgriffith | arnewiebalck_: sorry... it's a historic argument; | 19:35 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jgriffith: lol | 19:35 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jgriffith: you win :) | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | it's my contention that Cidner is better *simple* | 19:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajini Karthik proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell PS: Optimize parsing of capacity info from backend https://review.openstack.org/508938 | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | we keep bolting on little things that add little value for simple tasks | 19:35 |
| patrickeast | fwiw for our drivers we just have a bool config option that basically "delete it immediately" or "soft delete" | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | the result is something that's bloated and increasingly difficult to maintain | 19:35 |
| patrickeast | and it works pretty well | 19:35 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: +1 | 19:36 |
| patrickeast | the use cases being a PoC or something, just delete it immediately | 19:36 |
| jgriffith | arnewiebalck_: folks like patrickeast learned a long time ago how to deal with my nonsensical opinions :) | 19:36 |
| patrickeast | production, put it into the 24hour (or whatever) recycle bin | 19:36 |
| patrickeast | a cloud admin can always go and cinder-manage it back into existance | 19:37 |
| patrickeast | to save data* | 19:37 |
| * jgriffith proposes one of the last 10 BP's for "soft-delete" | 19:37 | |
| jgriffith | :) | 19:37 |
| arnewiebalck_ | patrickeast: that’s basically what I had in mind, yes | 19:37 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jgriffith: what about the instantaneous deletion argument? | 19:39 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jgriffith: isn’t deletion basically serialised and deletions of multiple large volumes can pile up? | 19:40 |
| arnewiebalck_ | jgriffith: ‘rbd thrash’ might bring size-independent deletion times | 19:41 |
| hemna__ | anyone know how to set the ssl options in the DB section of cinder.conf ? | 19:41 |
| hemna__ | for SSL only connections to the mariadb | 19:41 |
| hemna__ | can't figure out how to set the cacert | 19:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Bryant proposed openstack/cinder master: Fix Tempest Volume Revert test https://review.openstack.org/508541 | 19:55 |
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| patrickeast | oh nice, that test actually was broken maybe | 20:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed openstack/cinder master: WIP: Tempest tests for cascade delete https://review.openstack.org/383436 | 20:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed openstack/cinder master: Fix tempest test revet_client typo https://review.openstack.org/508995 | 20:34 |
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| jgriffith | arnewiebalck: hehe | 21:12 |
| jgriffith | arnewiebalck: you really want my response to that :) | 21:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Add shared_targets and backend_id to volumes https://review.openstack.org/509005 | 21:22 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: smcginnis jungleboyj ^^ That superseedes the original one I had up (and abandoned) | 21:26 |
| jgriffith | I'll get around to poking at zul here next | 21:26 |
| patrickeast | neato | 21:26 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: i'll take a look | 21:26 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 21:26 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Cool. Thanks. Will take a look. I am hoping some of our Zuul issues will be resolved when the Tempest fix above goes through. | 21:27 |
| smcginnis | Some of them fixed would be good. | 21:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajini Karthik proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell EMC Ps: Fix extend volume creating unmanaged snapsots https://review.openstack.org/509006 | 21:27 |
| jgriffith | gives me a moment to find all the dependency failures, etc etc that I missed in moving everything around :) | 21:27 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Oh, since you're the stestr expert now: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:stestr+owner:%22Sean+McGinnis+%253Csean.mcginnis%2540gmail.com%253E%22 | 21:28 |
| smcginnis | :P | 21:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajini Karthik proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell EMC Ps: Fix extend volume creating unmanaged snapsots https://review.openstack.org/509006 | 21:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajini Karthik proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell EMC Ps: Fix extend volume creating unmanaged snapsots https://review.openstack.org/509006 | 21:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Add shared_targets and backend_id to volumes https://review.openstack.org/509005 | 21:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Huang Zhiteng proposed openstack/cinder master: Check available capacity before creating resources https://review.openstack.org/509011 | 21:53 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: jungleboyj: are we still accepting fixes on the V2 API? | 21:54 |
| jungleboyj | Depends on the fix. | 21:55 |
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| jungleboyj | erlon: v2 is still a subset of v3. | 21:55 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ? | 21:56 |
| erlon | jungleboyj: hmm, Im gotting a behavior here, manage volume is working on v3, but not on v2 | 21:56 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Why are you ? me ? | 21:56 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: v2 is a subest of v3? | 21:56 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: but in the context of making changes/fixes it's no longer v2, it's v 3.xxxx | 21:56 |
| erlon | jungleboyj: so, if should be a subset there's something outsite of this set | 21:56 |
| jgriffith | erlon: :) | 21:57 |
| jgriffith | madness I say... all of it is madness!!! | 21:57 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: just... Monday :) | 21:57 |
| erlon | jgriffith: haha, Im not the one that want to be close to the pit when you scream that | 21:57 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Well, maybe i am saying this wrong, but if there is something broken in v2 then it is broken in v3. Right? | 21:57 |
| jungleboyj | If something is broken in V3, not necessarily something broken in V2. | 21:58 |
| jgriffith | erlon: come on.. dive in!!! | 21:58 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: well... it depends :) | 21:58 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, people are still using v2, so we should probably fix it unless it is something that doesn't make sense. | 21:58 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: we've created a pretty tangled web of *things* | 21:58 |
| jungleboyj | Of course we have. | 21:59 |
| jgriffith | and I think we may have neglected to think through some details | 21:59 |
| erlon | jgriffith: so, you have this cinder script/test/whatever that only call cinder v2, the fix is in v3, will it be broken forever? | 21:59 |
| jgriffith | erlon: In all seriousness it depends on the bug I think. | 21:59 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 21:59 |
| jgriffith | erlon: yup, v2 is deprecated although that's always a somewhat *flexible* thing when it comes to bugs | 22:00 |
| erlon | jgriffith: manage/umanage a volume, cinder manager is not passing the correct parameter to the driver | 22:00 |
| jgriffith | erlon: so that doesn't change *behavior* or response etc; and is a critical bug, so should be fixed in both places IMO | 22:00 |
| jgriffith | erlon: and the thing about the "subset" is that things like this will be a problem at some point | 22:01 |
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| erlon | jgriffith: I not saying fix the bug is the best option, at least for me, may not, I coud just change to v3, but the bug would lay there waiting for the next guy | 22:01 |
| smcginnis | Yep. And the v3 API just inherits from the contrib code. | 22:01 |
| jgriffith | ie no clear delimeter on what's what.. that's going to be very bad at some point | 22:01 |
| jgriffith | erlon: yeah, understood | 22:02 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah, I guess I should give up on somebody updating that | 22:02 |
| erlon | jgriffith: but it does not makes sense that it is a subset, otherwhise, in this case v3 also should be broken in the sane place, but its not | 22:02 |
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| jgriffith | erlon: I'm not the one who called it a subset :) | 22:02 |
| erlon | jgriffith: hahaha | 22:03 |
| jgriffith | erlon: It's more of a "fork" really if you ask me | 22:03 |
| erlon | jgriffith: that makes more sense | 22:03 |
| jgriffith | erlon: if it turns out that there is in fact no net new API call for V3 and it just calls the old V2 impl, then you have two choices (well three) | 22:04 |
| jgriffith | 1. Implement a V3.0 version and fix | 22:04 |
| jgriffith | 2. Implement a V2 fix and let it get slurped up by V3 as it does now | 22:04 |
| erlon | jgriffith: yes, and in some cases you can have a 2 implementation of the same call?! | 22:05 |
| jgriffith | 3. Do both of the above and save yourself some pain next time around :) | 22:05 |
| jgriffith | erlon: Oh yes! We already have that | 22:05 |
| jgriffith | erlon: in some cases we have 4 impls of the same call | 22:05 |
| jgriffith | erlon: the beauty of mv's | 22:05 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, subset was the wrong term. :-) | 22:06 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: :) In some ways it's accurate, but I think in this context it's a bit confusing | 22:06 |
| erlon | jgriffith: ok, good, Id better just change my client and leave the egg to the next ^_^ | 22:06 |
| jgriffith | erlon: chicken!!! | 22:06 |
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| jungleboyj | erlon: You can do it! | 22:07 |
| erlon | jgriffith: nobody has found the chicken yet, we only see her eggs around at unexpected times | 22:08 |
| jgriffith | haah!!! | 22:08 |
| jgriffith | erlon: isn't that the truth!!! | 22:08 |
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| jungleboyj | There is no chicken, only eggs. | 22:12 |
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| ildikov | jungleboyj: and don't forget: There's no spoon! :) | 22:13 |
| jgriffith | There is no egg, only chickens | 22:13 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Exactly. Only the Matrix | 22:14 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I'm hardly an expert, but happy to review and mess with things. Looks like Matt has a good point about PBR in there | 22:25 |
| smcginnis | Oh? | 22:26 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Thanks, totally missed that comment. | 22:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/os-brick master: Add .stestr.conf configuration https://review.openstack.org/505423 | 22:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/python-cinderclient master: Add .stestr.conf configuration https://review.openstack.org/505422 | 23:07 |
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