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| ildikov | smcginnis: jungleboyj: jgriffith: is any of you around? I have a bootable volume question | 14:28 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: jungleboyj: jgriffith: and it's urgent | 14:29 |
| ildikov | :) | 14:29 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: I am here, not sure how helpful I will be. | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Kinda, what's the question? | 14:29 |
| jgriffith | ildikov what's up? | 14:29 |
| ildikov | so here's the multi-attach spec proposal for Nova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499777/5/specs/queens/approved/cinder-volume-multi-attach.rst | 14:30 |
| ildikov | there's a question on how to block volume multi-attach for the boot from volume case | 14:30 |
| ildikov | line #129 | 14:31 |
| ildikov | so my understanding is that Cinder sets the 'bootable'=flag to True when the volume is created from an image | 14:31 |
| ildikov | hence my thinking was that we can set the 'multiattach' flag automatically to False for now | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | I thought that was the plan. | 14:31 |
| jgriffith | Yes, that was the proposal | 14:32 |
| ildikov | the question is whether there's any other way to set the 'bootable' flag? | 14:32 |
| ildikov | or change it later? | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | It can manually be changed. | 14:32 |
| jgriffith | ildikov yes one can manually set it | 14:32 |
| ildikov | at the time of creating the volume or after that too? | 14:32 |
| jgriffith | after | 14:32 |
| ildikov | ok, then the above solution is not going to fly | 14:33 |
| smcginnis | We would just have to have logic in there for after creation to fail setting the flag if it is already multi-attached, but would seem odd to try that. | 14:33 |
| jgriffith | ildikov it "flies" fine | 14:34 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: I would say if the 'multiattach' is True for the volume already then we shouldn't be able to set the 'bootable' flag to true | 14:34 |
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| ildikov | jgriffith: well, you cannot change the 'multiattach' flag after volume creation | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Right, that's what I'm saying. Don't allow setting it to bootable if it's not in a state where that's compatible. | 14:35 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: so for a multi-attach volume you shouldn't be able to set the 'bootable' flag then as one option | 14:35 |
| jgriffith | I don't know why the decision to use that multi-attach flag was used either, but that's another topic; what does it have to do with the question about BFV? | 14:36 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: by state you mean the "settings" of the volume? | 14:36 |
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| smcginnis | Wait, we're going to have a separate multi-attach flag? | 14:36 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: we don't want to multi-attach bootable volumes | 14:36 |
| jgriffith | ildikov fine, if you really want that then don't allow making an existing volume bootable via the API if the multi-attach flag is set | 14:36 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: separate? | 14:36 |
| jgriffith | but I will say for the last time I think this is the wrong path | 14:36 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: what is the right path? | 14:37 |
| jgriffith | ildikov you can still do exactly what you're proposing if you really want to | 14:37 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I didn't get it the last time either | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | I'm obviously not following because I'm not seeing what the problem is so I'm going to go back to glaring at zuul. :) | 14:37 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I'm not against you, just missing some sleep and the Nova spec deadline is today for Quuens | 14:37 |
| jgriffith | but IMO it should be don't BOOT from a volume that's already attached | 14:37 |
| jgriffith | that's all you should worry about for now | 14:37 |
| jgriffith | ildikov so Nova gets a Boot From Volume call... | 14:38 |
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| jgriffith | If it's attached already somewhere else then fail, regardless of whatever flags etc have been added | 14:39 |
| jgriffith | That can then later be easily adapted if/when somebody wants to do multi-attach boot volumes | 14:39 |
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| jgriffith | There's trickery that will be needed in things like live-migrate of volume backed instances etc, but the same tricks we use for data volumes should work | 14:40 |
| jgriffith | ildikov maybe I'm not seeing the problem here either? | 14:41 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: you ro someone brought up the bootable flag on one of our meetings | 14:41 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: and I got confused with that | 14:41 |
| jgriffith | Yes, I brought it up and have discussed it multiple times :) | 14:41 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: my current code checks whether we want to boot from the multiattach volume and fails if we do | 14:42 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: yeah and never came to any solution or I just always got lost in the different ideas and never got it | 14:42 |
| jgriffith | I proposed solutions :) | 14:43 |
| jgriffith | but if they're not acceptable I can't help | 14:43 |
| jgriffith | I just proposed the solution again too :) | 14:43 |
| jgriffith | skip the multi-attach flag at create | 14:43 |
| jgriffith | let the attachment process determine what can/should be allowed or not | 14:43 |
| ildikov | ok, wait, my code actually doesn't allow booting from a multiattach volume at all... | 14:44 |
| jgriffith | one of my goals here was to centralize the logic and checks for things | 14:44 |
| ildikov | I knew there's a difference | 14:44 |
| jgriffith | we're just spreading it out all over the place again which isn't overly helpful | 14:44 |
| ildikov | as the other case is I guess might be racy | 14:44 |
| jgriffith | ildikov Everybody throws out "racy" a lot but I'm not sure there isn't too much being made of that honestly | 14:45 |
| ildikov | what did you mean by this: skip the multi-attach flag at create? | 14:45 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I'm just the messenger here | 14:45 |
| jgriffith | don't do a multi-attach flag at all | 14:46 |
| jgriffith | at create or any other time | 14:46 |
| ildikov | ? | 14:46 |
| jgriffith | that is just going to lead to head-aches | 14:46 |
| jgriffith | then you have to deal with all sorts of fun things like "retype" etc | 14:46 |
| ildikov | are you saying now to drop the multi-attach activity as is, or? | 14:46 |
| jgriffith | and annoyed users because when they created their data they had one thing in mind, then over time came up with another flow | 14:47 |
| jgriffith | I don't now what you mean by "drop the multi-attach activity as is" | 14:47 |
| ildikov | well, we said that it can be turned off from policy rules, so who doesn't want to play with it, they won't | 14:47 |
| jgriffith | All I'm saying is that I see much value in requiring a MA flag at volume creation | 14:47 |
| jgriffith | it's problematic | 14:48 |
| jgriffith | If you have a mixed env and some backends won't support it and you need to select that type of volume at creation based on capabilities that's fine | 14:48 |
| ildikov | volume creation is when you specify it | 14:48 |
| jgriffith | s/fine/fair/ | 14:48 |
| jgriffith | ildikov I'm saying "DONT" do that :) | 14:48 |
| ildikov | why not? | 14:49 |
| jgriffith | because it's problematic and there's almost zero benefit | 14:49 |
| ildikov | and if not that then what??? | 14:49 |
| jgriffith | As I said a minute ago; let the attach process figure it out | 14:49 |
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| ildikov | we have to set a flag in libvirt for multiattach *before* the first attachment | 14:50 |
| ildikov | if nothing indicates whether we will multiattach the volume or not we are screwed | 14:50 |
| ildikov | as you don't want to turn off the cache otherwise by default | 14:50 |
| ildikov | or not just by default but in general | 14:51 |
| ildikov | so we need the flag that indicates this | 14:51 |
| jgriffith | does libvirt require every attach object have the setting or just subsequent attachments? | 14:51 |
| jgriffith | I thought it was just subsequents | 14:51 |
| ildikov | every | 14:51 |
| jgriffith | hmm... you sure? | 14:51 |
| ildikov | otherwise cache on one side will screw up the data on the volume | 14:51 |
| ildikov | yes | 14:51 |
| jgriffith | ok, well that's still "ok" | 14:52 |
| jgriffith | so if the volume-capabilities allow multi-attach you just set that | 14:52 |
| ildikov | you can't change the XML once the volume is attached | 14:52 |
| mwheckmann | ericyoung: I have a question around how the ScaleIO driver calculates the provisioned_capacity | 14:52 |
| ildikov | volume-capabilities? | 14:52 |
| jgriffith | you could also specify it during attach and NOT at volume-creation which would at least be *better* | 14:52 |
| jgriffith | that actually might be a reasonable compromise here | 14:53 |
| jgriffith | ildikov yes, volume-capabilities; each backend reports it's capabilities; which can/should include things like multiattach | 14:53 |
| ildikov | but just because the capability allows you might not want to multiattach every volume | 14:54 |
| ildikov | but you have to set the libvirt flag for every attachment | 14:54 |
| jgriffith | That's what I just said... so then use attachment-create arg for that | 14:54 |
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| jgriffith | attachment-create --enable-multiattach <vol-id> | 14:55 |
| jgriffith | if it turns out the backend doesn't allow it, or the volume is marked bfv then raise an exception explaining that | 14:55 |
| ildikov | so again | 14:56 |
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| jgriffith | In addition, if there are existing attachments for that volume and they do NOT have enable-multiattach set then fail for that | 14:56 |
| jgriffith | either way it's much easier than trying to read states and flags frrom multiple places | 14:56 |
| jgriffith | ildikov I'm just offering suggestions based on experience, if it's not acceptable then that's fair. It works in the real world though | 14:57 |
| ildikov | but as it's a volume level property, why can't we just set it on the volume level once? | 14:57 |
| jgriffith | Yes, one can create a tempest test and make it break | 14:57 |
| jgriffith | because it's NOT a volume level property IMO | 14:58 |
| jgriffith | it's an attachment property | 14:58 |
| ildikov | I think this just makes it more difficult as you're attaching the volume multiple times, not the attachment itself | 14:58 |
| jgriffith | we should stop treating attachments as "dumb" byproducts | 14:58 |
| ildikov | therefore connecting multiattach to the attachment and the attachment-create operation seems odd to me | 14:58 |
| jgriffith | ildikov ok, well then we disagree, and since it's your spec and you have more experience and knowledge of what Nova wants to do then you should do what you think is best | 14:59 |
| jgriffith | but when it blows up I'm going to say "I told you so" :) | 14:59 |
| jgriffith | ildikov I think it seems odd because the one common theme with all of the attachment code thus far has been "how can we make it more like the old attach code" :( | 15:00 |
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| ildikov | jgriffith: no it's actually conceptually does not compute in my mind | 15:01 |
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| ildikov | jgriffith: we cannot make this part as the old code as it doesn't exist | 15:01 |
| jgriffith | That's fair, so I seem to be the only one seeing things this way so I may not be the best person to ask for input | 15:01 |
| jgriffith | ildikov ummm... it does exist | 15:02 |
| jgriffith | there are crazy multi-attach flags in the old code | 15:02 |
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| ildikov | the flag exists and no-one ever really used it | 15:04 |
| jgriffith | That's not the same as saying it "doesn't exist" | 15:04 |
| ildikov | so the functionality is not there and what was in Cinder that was always broken for many back ends including LVM | 15:04 |
| jgriffith | ? | 15:05 |
| ildikov | the flag does, the functionality doesn't | 15:05 |
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| ildikov | I mean detach was broken | 15:05 |
| jgriffith | that's really not the point | 15:05 |
| jgriffith | or relevant | 15:06 |
| jgriffith | sorry | 15:06 |
| jgriffith | not trying to be short | 15:06 |
| jgriffith | just saying | 15:06 |
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| jgriffith | Look.... honestly; I've made suggestions about this but they don't seem acceptable and that's fair | 15:06 |
| jgriffith | I've offered alternatives and ideas and they don't seem like they'll work for you so that's fair too | 15:07 |
| jgriffith | I'm not arguing or pushing on it any more | 15:07 |
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| mwheckmann | ericyoung: Currently, in the ScaleIO driver "provisioned_capacity = (thickCapacityInUseInKb+thinCapacityAllocatedInKb)/2" | 15:09 |
| mwheckmann | but shoudln't it be "(thickCapacityInUseInKb+thinCapacityAllocatedInKb+snapCapacityInUseInKb)/2"? | 15:09 |
| mwheckmann | free_capacity does include snapshot used because it is based on the capacityAvailableForVolumeAllocationInKb metric | 15:10 |
| mwheckmann | however, when thin provisioning support is enabled, the "virtual_free" calculation does not use free_capacity. It is based on the "provisioned_capacity" and does not use free_capacity in it's calculation at all. | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Enable using extra-specs for SF attributes https://review.openstack.org/512786 | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Swanson proposed openstack/cinder master: Dell EMC SC: API 4.0 incompatibilities https://review.openstack.org/507260 | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Arnon Yaari proposed openstack/cinder master: INFINIDAT: add support for overprovisioning https://review.openstack.org/500783 | 15:51 |
| jgriffith | ildikov smcginnis johnthetubaguy mriedem Please have a look at the changes I made to https://review.openstack.org/499777 | 15:58 |
| jgriffith | This handles the BFV concerns as well as removing most of the logic from Nova | 15:59 |
| jgriffith | The idea being that in the end the main thing we need on the Nova side is just to check the multiattach property in the attachment record and use it for libvirt if Nova supports/allows it and that's it | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Extra trailing space. -2! | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis dang it!!! | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | I keep forgetting that my plugin doesn't auto-remove those for rst files :( | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Our multi-release, cross-project, highly requested feature is shot down in the end by a typo. :D | 16:02 |
| mriedem | no meeting today? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj ??? ^^ | 16:02 |
| mriedem | just started | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | groot: Feel like you're saying the same thing over and over? :) | 16:15 |
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| groot | smcginnis exactly!!! | 16:41 |
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| mriedem | so you can't actually update the bootable flag on a volume right? https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/api/v2/volumes.py#L295 | 17:03 |
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| groot | mriedem https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/api/contrib/volume_actions.py#L362 | 17:08 |
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| ildikov | jgriffith: I just pushed the version I had locally already in flight with the things we agreed on | 17:59 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: I mean the spec | 18:00 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: did we say to add the policy scenarios explicitly that you added to your version? | 18:00 |
| jgriffith | ildikov that's different, we were talking about cinder-policy entries | 18:01 |
| jgriffith | I'll do a cinder-spec | 18:01 |
| ildikov | jgriffith: ah ok, good, I wasn't sure | 18:01 |
| jgriffith | so two policies in Cinder: | 18:01 |
| jgriffith | 1. Allow multi-attach | 18:01 |
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| jgriffith | 2. Allow multi-attach of bootable volumes | 18:01 |
| jgriffith | default of 2 would be "not allowed" | 18:01 |
| jgriffith | I'm assuming default of 1 would be allowed | 18:02 |
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| smcginnis | That would make sense to me. | 18:06 |
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| ildikov | jgriffith: I added a note about that into the spec | 18:09 |
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| ericyoung | mwheckmann, looks like you are correct. I am running some tests now and will fix this if needed | 18:20 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Your proposal sounds good to me. | 18:25 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj it's dead :) | 18:25 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: What did I miss? | 18:25 |
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| jgriffith | moving forward with using an attribute at volume-create time | 18:25 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so not multi-attach in general. | 18:26 |
| jgriffith | but with the compromoise that said volume attribute is modifieable | 18:26 |
| jgriffith | no, not NO to multi-attach in general :) | 18:26 |
| ericyoung | not to barge in, but I heard the words "multi-attach"... do we know if drivers need to do anything? | 18:29 |
| ericyoung | I didn't see anything in the spec but could have missed it | 18:29 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: *phew* Scared me a minute. Ok, that plan sounds ok. | 18:33 |
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| smcginnis | Seems reasonable as long as we can set that flag after the fact. | 18:36 |
| smcginnis | ericyoung: I think the only driver impact is if you have shared targets your driver will need to return some string to use as the lock. | 18:37 |
| ericyoung | gotcha. That should be simple enough. :) | 18:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 18:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis and that "string" for the lock would be the backend_uuid if I ever fix our unit tests to merge that | 18:44 |
| jgriffith | the only thing the driver ( ericyoung ) would need to do is: | 18:44 |
| jungleboyj | So, if you all want to see something fun, try commenting out the [key_manager] section from Cinder Conf and watch API and Volume fail to start. | 18:44 |
| jgriffith | 1. report multi-attach support in the capabilities | 18:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj yeah :) | 18:45 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. So, I will look at fixing that. :-) As it was not obvious to my container guy what he was doing wrong. | 18:45 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Was there a 2), or you just wanted to have 1)? :) | 18:57 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis hehe | 18:58 |
| jgriffith | I was going to have "shared_targets=T/F" for 2 | 18:58 |
| jgriffith | but then realized that's another topic | 18:58 |
| jgriffith | so a pre-req I guess :) | 18:58 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I thought the shared targets thing was just going to be addressed by returning a lock identifier that would lock the right scope? | 19:01 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis well a driver *should* report in the capabilities that it "doesn't" use shared targets | 19:01 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509005/5/cinder/volume/drivers/lvm.py | 19:02 |
| jgriffith | so that would tell the consumer "meh, they don't use shared targets so I don't care" | 19:02 |
| smcginnis | When was that added? | 19:02 |
| jgriffith | otherwise, I need to grab that backend_uuid thing and lock on it | 19:03 |
| smcginnis | Oh, I see, patch in progress. | 19:03 |
| jgriffith | in that review that hasn't merged becuase the unit tests in the dependency for it that adds the online migration of the service uuid blows up | 19:03 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I remember that one now. | 19:03 |
| * jgriffith fears this is all going to unravel | 19:04 | |
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| jgriffith | Seriously python 35 testtools? http://paste.openstack.org/show/624106/ | 19:18 |
| jgriffith | wtf | 19:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/cinder master: Enable using extra-specs for SF attributes https://review.openstack.org/512786 | 19:20 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Eric had to do some things for that since python 3.5 is more strict about order (or non-order) I think. | 19:23 |
| jgriffith | can't believe I never noticed that *feature* | 19:24 |
| mwheckmann | ericyoung: I created bug 1724924 to track this | 19:35 |
| openstack | bug 1724924 in Cinder "SCaleIO driver should add snapshot capacity used in calculation of provisioned capacity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724924 | 19:35 |
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| ericyoung | mwheckmann, I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1724929 | 19:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1724929 in Cinder "ScaleIO Driver - Snapshot usage not included in provisioned_capacity" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to tssgery (eric-aceshome) | 19:46 |
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| mwheckmann | ericyoung: looks like we did same thing. Want me to close mine? | 19:51 |
| ericyoung | I marked mine as a dupe of yours | 19:52 |
| smcginnis | mwheckmann: I just marked it as a duplicate. | 19:52 |
| smcginnis | DOh! :) | 19:52 |
| ericyoung | mine is still fine. it's not a dupe. launchpad prevented me from doing it | 19:52 |
| mwheckmann | perfect then | 19:53 |
| ericyoung | fix is in the works. just running tox | 19:53 |
| ericyoung | once approved and merged, it'll have to be cheppy-picked all the way back to Newton | 19:53 |
| ericyoung | cherry-picked | 19:54 |
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| smcginnis | cheppy picking sounds more fun. | 19:55 |
| _alastor_ | Did the gerrit events stuff change recently? | 19:56 |
| _alastor_ | I haven't really been paying attention, but my ci stopped picking up events | 19:56 |
| ericyoung | depends on if you are the cheppie or the chepper | 19:56 |
| smcginnis | Haha, true. | 19:57 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: Do you trigger on Jenkins +1? | 19:57 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: yeah | 19:57 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: Need to change that to zuul now. | 19:57 |
| smcginnis | There is no Jenkins, only zuul. | 19:57 |
| _alastor_ | ah, that would be it | 19:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Young proposed openstack/cinder master: ScaleIO Driver - include snap usage in provisioned capacity https://review.openstack.org/513490 | 20:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: Generate create_at date in usage in isoformat for backups/snapshots https://review.openstack.org/509169 | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: VNX: Fix issue when creating without type https://review.openstack.org/508064 | 20:08 |
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| Swanson | smcginnis, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jo_0pZ4MYo | 20:17 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 20:17 |
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