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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-cinderclient master: Use templates for cover and lower-constraints https://review.openstack.org/601130 | 08:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder stable/queens: VMAX driver - Block revert to snapshot for replicated volumes https://review.openstack.org/597049 | 09:50 |
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| ygl | hi all | 10:29 |
| ygl | can someone educate me whats the difference between a cinder driver and a backend ? | 10:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder stable/queens: VMAX Driver - Fix for get-pools and returned Service Levels https://review.openstack.org/597044 | 11:20 |
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| ygl | hi | 11:54 |
| ygl | can someone help me with my del equallogic backend issue | 11:54 |
| ygl | *Dell | 11:54 |
| ygl | it is showing some errors in cinder-volume service | 11:54 |
| ygl | this is the error | 11:55 |
| ygl | ERROR cinder.service [-] Manager for service cinder-volume c1@delleqlx is reporting problems, not sending heartbeat. Service will appear "down". | 11:55 |
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| avishay | ygl: Check for other errors, you will probably see some Traceback | 12:16 |
| ygl | avishay: one more question. What is the difference betwwen cinder driver and cinder backend ? is LVM a driver or a backend ? | 12:18 |
| avishay | I would say that basically a driver is code, and a backend is a running instance of a driver | 12:22 |
| ygl | avishay: is LVM a driver or a backend ? | 12:22 |
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| avishay | The LVM driver is code in Cinder. You can have one or more LVM backends if they are configured on your system. | 12:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder stable/queens: VMAX Driver - Initiator retrieval short hostname fix https://review.openstack.org/601605 | 14:28 |
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| raunak12 | core reviewers could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601492/ ? | 14:51 |
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| rajinir | ygl: Can you turn on the debug for the logs? Waht are you using equallogic for? It will be deprecated sooner | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajat Dhasmana proposed openstack/cinder master: Remove deprecated backup driver initialization using module name https://review.openstack.org/602055 | 14:55 |
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| whoami-rajat | Hi jungleboyj , please share the link whenever ready. | 15:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Will do. We are still gathering. | 15:06 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok, no problem | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | I just added a hangout link in the etherpad for today that you can use to talk to us. | 15:09 |
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| jungleboyj | https://youtu.be/yTY17AoQTIA | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Raunak Kumar proposed openstack/cinder master: nimble storage: retype support https://review.openstack.org/601492 | 15:49 |
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| imacdonn | smcginnis: Not sure if I'm following this discussion right, but I think it depends on the backend ... with ZFSSA, child volumes are dependent on the snapshot, because only the deltas are actually stored | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | imacdonn: Yeah, that was the concern I was trying to raise. I know a few backends behave that way. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | So unless they are told explicitly to "clone" the volume, that source snapshot would not be able to be deleted. | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | On those types of backends, I think they would need to create a volume from snapshot, then clone that volume. So create vol1, create snap1 from vol1, create vol2 from snap1, clone vol2 to vol3, then delete snap1 and vol2. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Ugg | 16:14 |
| imacdonn | yeah | 16:14 |
| erlon | smcginnis, imacdonn,yes, that depends on the backend. | 16:16 |
| erlon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378982/9/tempest/api/volume/test_volumes_snapshots.py | 16:16 |
| erlon | this test this scenario from some backends, at least for the generic NFS, snapshots == clones, so, if you can delete a snapshot in the chain, you also would be able to delete a cloned volume | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Those aren't using the _create_volume_from_snapshot call. I think we could easily add some tests that cover some of the scenarios I'm concerned about. | 16:21 |
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| rajinir | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iZe8tEpO/Chinese%20translation%20of%20usersurvey%20from%20google%20translator | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Erlon R. Cruz proposed openstack/cinder stable/rocky: NetApp SolidFire: Fix CG snapshot deletion https://review.openstack.org/602088 | 16:27 |
| erlon | smcginnis, I see, what I meant was that for some backends, the internal process of _create_volume_from_snapshot and _create_snashot is the same, so that test should break the driver if it that process was broken | 16:27 |
| erlon | smcginnis, FWIW, ZFSSA CI skips that test :) | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:28 |
| erlon | https://openstackci.oracle.com/zfssa_ci/refs-changes-48-598148-4-iscsi/ | 16:28 |
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| imacdonn | I do need to revisit those skipped tests some day .... I inherited the whole thing, and fixed some of the ones that were being skipped, but not all | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Cool, thanks imacdonn | 16:30 |
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| KeithMnemonic | when this merges, will the current policy let this get backported to ocata, and newton? | 16:40 |
| KeithMnemonic | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601681/1 | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | Newton is gone, so that one is a no for sure. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | KeithMnemonic: But I do plan on getting that all the way back to ocata. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Actually, I should correct that statement. We can get this backported to driverfixes/newton, so I guess the answer is just yes. | 16:45 |
| KeithMnemonic | thanks i will keep checking on it and wait for ocata . i can help cherry pick ocata and/or newton just let me know | 16:47 |
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| KeithMnemonic | drivesfixes/newton i mean for all of this | 16:48 |
| KeithMnemonic | my vmware ones are stuck at the moment as the fix i need, really relies on two earlier changes that are "Features" i may just abandon my changes | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | KeithMnemonic: If you want, maybe add links to those reviews on the PTG etherpad and we can talk about them and decide if they are OK to backport. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ^ | 16:55 |
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| KeithMnemonic | can you post the etherpad, i am not at the PTG | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | #cinder now Storyboard discussion | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | KeithMnemonic: This one has links to each day's etherpad - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-planning-denver-9-2018 | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | KeithMnemonic: jungleboyj can say which day this should go under. | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Next Live Stream: https://youtu.be/_b9tgzKE63c | 17:02 |
| KeithMnemonic | ok i added it to the main etherpad | 17:03 |
| KeithMnemonic | thanks | 17:03 |
| jungleboyj | KeithMnemonic: We will follow up on that later. | 17:04 |
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| KeithMnemonic | thanks i appreciate your discussing it | 17:04 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Hah, just noticed this comment describes the issue exactly - https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/volume/test_volumes_snapshots.py#L142-L148 | 17:06 |
| erlon | smcginnis, yeap, so, people have hit that before. The thing we want to do then is to swap that deletion order right? | 17:18 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Yeah, I think basically the same operations that are there, just in a different order. | 17:19 |
| erlon | smcginnis, so now, we change that order, some CIs brake, but if they don't support the operation in that sequence, their only option is to disable the test, and we end up in the same place we are | 17:21 |
| smcginnis | Or "fix" their drivers to do the cloning when creating the volume from snapshot. | 17:22 |
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| smcginnis | But I think that will cause performance degradation from how they do things now, so not sure if that is really wanted. | 17:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Raunak Kumar proposed openstack/cinder master: nimble storage: retype support https://review.openstack.org/601492 | 17:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/cinder master: api-ref: document no_snapshots default for volume transfer API https://review.openstack.org/602136 | 18:32 |
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| jungleboyj | We are starting soon: Hangout link: https://hangouts.google.com/call/EuOj8SJfT4E-6kBCVQU8AAEE | 19:30 |
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| jungleboyj | Live stream link: https://youtu.be/_b9tgzKE63c | 19:34 |
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| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: Since we already have a doc page for driver capabilities, https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/rocky/configuration/block-storage/volume-drivers.html, do we still require a command for the same? | 19:46 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: That tells you how to configured it but doesn't necessarily tell you what a backend is capable of. | 19:47 |
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| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: Not sure what i'm missing but most of the driver sections has a part of supported operations, if its different from capabilities please correct me. https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/rocky/configuration/block-storage/drivers/dell-emc-unity-driver.html#supported-operations | 19:52 |
| jungleboyj | There are additional capabilities like QoS, and vendor defined capabilities that is beyond just the required functions. | 19:53 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok | 19:54 |
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| fungi | does anybody know the contributors who are bouncing https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603282 around between different bug types? | 20:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1603282 in Cinder "storwize map multi-volumes by two cinder volume nodes parallelly failure" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to xiaoqin (xiaoqin-li) | 20:33 |
| fungi | (besides me, i temporarily added myself to cinder drivers so i could fetch it back out of the private bug black hole) | 20:33 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: Weird. I wonder if they are just playing around and figuring things out and not really understanding what they are actually doing | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | It's at least an IBM person and an IBM bug. | 20:38 |
| fungi | at least one of them has a similar username to the bug's original reporter | 20:38 |
| fungi | also the assignee and the author of the merged fix | 20:39 |
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| smcginnis | Really weird. | 20:45 |
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| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: These imports seems quite wrong to me https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/volume/client.py#L42 | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Where do you think you're going. You can't remove yourself. :) | 20:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: api-ref: add preconditions for volume transfer APIs https://review.openstack.org/601828 | 21:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/cinder master: api-ref: document no_snapshots default for volume transfer API https://review.openstack.org/602136 | 21:12 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: LOL | 21:23 |
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| raunak12 | core reviewers could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601492/? | 21:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rajat Dhasmana proposed openstack/cinder master: EMC ScaleIO driver does not honor create from snapshot volume size https://review.openstack.org/599642 | 21:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Rajat Dhasmana proposed openstack/cinder master: EMC ScaleIO driver does not honor create from snapshot volume size https://review.openstack.org/599642 | 21:57 |
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| ganso | smcginnis: when you have some time, could you please confirm that I listed all the issues in that capability topic? I'm not sure I covered all the ones that were discussed | 22:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | TommyLike proposed openstack/cinder master: [WIP] Support transfer pagination https://review.openstack.org/602181 | 22:13 |
| smcginnis | ganso: Wow, looks good. | 22:14 |
| smcginnis | ganso: Maybe we should revisit this topic tomorrow to have everyone take a look at each of those again now that the different issues are clearly separated. | 22:14 |
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| ganso | smcginnis: agreed | 22:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | TommyLike proposed openstack/cinder master: [WIP] Support transfer pagination https://review.openstack.org/602181 | 22:31 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj, eharney: Our favorite issue - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601681/1 | 22:40 |
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