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| bojleros | Hi , i am making some experiments with stein cinder | 08:37 |
| bojleros | my goal is to use lvm driver to directly attach storage volumes | 08:38 |
| bojleros | without iscsi | 08:38 |
| bojleros | afaik it is pointless to create new driver and duplicate code for lvm | 08:39 |
| bojleros | so i decided to create new target helper called 'direct' | 08:39 |
| bojleros | this target helper is not going to to anything since it is not needed | 08:39 |
| bojleros | my question is about volume attach process | 08:39 |
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| bojleros | i decided to use LOCAL connector so i passed self.protocol='LOCAL' in my target code | 08:40 |
| whoami-rajat | bojleros, Hi, i think you can use cinderlib for that purpose | 08:41 |
| bojleros | what i see is nova trying to search for FC devices | 08:41 |
| bojleros | what i miss right now is passing a blockdev path from cinder driver to nova | 08:43 |
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| bojleros | and a bit of guidance :) | 08:44 |
| bojleros | well but what i see is that cinderlib is also using iscsi by default | 08:45 |
| bojleros | and my goal is bypasing it | 08:45 |
| bojleros | since it impacts ssd performance a lot | 08:45 |
| whoami-rajat | bojleros, for SSD drives we've NVMe drivers | 08:46 |
| bojleros | i have a lot of sata/sas ssd's , their performance/price is much more affordable | 08:47 |
| bojleros | but have no way for using them efficiently :/ | 08:47 |
| bojleros | i have already talked with m5z about it | 08:47 |
| bojleros | that's how it ended up in this hacking | 08:48 |
| whoami-rajat | bojleros, oh yeah i remember now | 08:48 |
| whoami-rajat | yep, if you feel like that's the right way, you can continue | 08:49 |
| bojleros | hm , honestly i did not expected such problem on POC | 08:51 |
| bojleros | finally we decided to deploy services that require DAS on ovirt | 08:52 |
| bojleros | and this is a real pain | 08:52 |
| bojleros | whoami-rajat what do you think about my choice of creating a custom target? | 08:55 |
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| whoami-rajat | bojleros, i'm not an expert in that domain, but isn't using lvm directly without cinder better if the usecase is local attach? | 08:56 |
| bojleros | well, we use lvm driver in nova but it completly lacks of flexiblity | 08:58 |
| bojleros | we must define our flavors with a rootdisk | 08:58 |
| bojleros | maybe i am wrong and rootdisk can be resized separately but for now we have a lot of flavors and that's just unmanageable | 08:58 |
| bojleros | yep , i want to attach lvm device directly , it also assumes that vm's are created in server groups/ availablity zones that consists of a single hypervisor | 08:59 |
| bojleros | so you can avoid problems with storage and vm not running on a same hardware | 09:00 |
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| geguileo | whoami-rajat: sorry, my bouncer lost my nick :-( | 09:14 |
| geguileo | whoami-rajat: and the channel kicked me out because the new nick was not registered | 09:16 |
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| whoami-rajat | geguileo, oh np. | 09:18 |
| geguileo | bojleros: what's the reason for not using the iSCSI transport? | 09:18 |
| bojleros | huge performance drop | 09:19 |
| bojleros | in compare to raw ssd device acces | 09:19 |
| bojleros | in compare to raw ssd device access | 09:19 |
| geguileo | huge? | 09:19 |
| geguileo | I think e0ne did some tests some time ago comparing direct access to the LVM DM and going through iSCSI and the difference was not big | 09:20 |
| bojleros | i did it a couple of months ago , then this issue was put on our backlog | 09:20 |
| bojleros | some of our devices are capable of 30k-90k iops | 09:21 |
| geguileo | bojleros: but the direct disk access is using LVM on top, or raw? | 09:21 |
| bojleros | while iscsi cpu saturation occured at ~20k | 09:21 |
| e0ne | AFAIR, performance with LIO target was pretty same as using raw devices | 09:21 |
| e0ne | bojleros: what target driver do you use? | 09:22 |
| geguileo | e0ne: I was thinking that maybe the problem was comparing raw disk access with LVM thin volumes... | 09:22 |
| bojleros | we use megaraid that exposes raid10 vd into a single sd* device | 09:22 |
| bojleros | we use this device as pv for lvm driver vg | 09:23 |
| bojleros | no no :) performance was checked on thick volumes , i know the trick ;) | 09:23 |
| geguileo | ok | 09:23 |
| bojleros | we also checked different cache methods for cinder and for raid controller | 09:24 |
| geguileo | bojleros: and how did you test the perf from both cases? | 09:24 |
| bojleros | i regret that i didnt made any report those days | 09:24 |
| bojleros | fio | 09:25 |
| geguileo | accessing it directly on the node and then exporting it using LIO and attaching it locally? | 09:25 |
| bojleros | since most of opensouce databases are not using raw devices | 09:25 |
| bojleros | one benchmark was made inside of vm , with care to avoid other resource starvation like cpu | 09:26 |
| bojleros | another was made on openstack host , by using the same block device when instance was shut off | 09:26 |
| bojleros | if you want i can try to do it again and initiate iscsi device directly on host | 09:27 |
| bojleros | without including vm overhead | 09:27 |
| geguileo | so the VM and the LVM disk were colocated on the same host, right? | 09:28 |
| bojleros | yes | 09:28 |
| bojleros | there should be no network latency impact | 09:28 |
| bojleros | but i remember some of iscsi related process that was 100% of single core and unable to scale out | 09:29 |
| bojleros | this is why we got this idea of bypassing iscsi | 09:29 |
| bojleros | apart of that we use ceph so we have no benefit of iscsi here | 09:30 |
| bojleros | apart of that , having ability of removing iscsi here is also a reduction of cpu overhead caused by storage | 09:32 |
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| geguileo | bojleros: but then the volumes must be colocated with the VMs | 09:36 |
| bojleros | yep , that's what we want , a direct attached storage | 09:37 |
| bojleros | we can prevent of issues like having a vm and storage on a different hosts by creating singlehost az/servergroups | 09:37 |
| geguileo | bojleros: what mechanism are you using to force the colocation? | 09:38 |
| bojleros | singlehost az/servergroups | 09:38 |
| bojleros | you can create dedicated availability zone for each local storage host you have, i realize this is not the cleanest way | 09:40 |
| bojleros | but for now i am not aware of anything else that can be used for that | 09:41 |
| bojleros | vm pinning maybe | 09:41 |
| geguileo | afaik to force collocation you would need to do the single node AZ for both nova an each cinder-volume service, and you would need to disable cross AZ support in Nova | 09:47 |
| geguileo | bojleros: the tests of testing performance inside the VM and then doing it directly outside of the VM may not be fair | 09:48 |
| geguileo | bojleros: you should do both inside or both outside | 09:48 |
| bojleros | yep , you are right that vm can impact performance but that's why i have monitored resources | 09:52 |
| bojleros | ok , gonna make this comparison and get back with results | 09:53 |
| bojleros | btw | 09:53 |
| bojleros | can you give me a brief guidance on how the nova chooses way of attaching cinder volumes ? | 09:54 |
| bojleros | now it tries to use FC and i have protocol=LOCAL | 09:54 |
| bojleros | so that's a bit strange to me | 09:54 |
| bojleros | it's experimental so it is ugly : https://github.com/bojleros/cinder-experiments/commit/ca951ca3b8f8bd01f0ec7618a660e4a86ea9a281 | 09:54 |
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| geguileo | bojleros: the attachment is done by os-brick | 09:56 |
| bojleros | i think it should be possible to use this https://github.com/openstack/os-brick/blob/fd6425b2ee725f19aaf9bb4543cceed18ec95cc2/os_brick/initiator/connector.py#L106 | 09:56 |
| bojleros | and volume parameters are passed over db ? | 09:57 |
| geguileo | bojleros: no, you must return them on the initialize_connection method, that you are returning "data": "TBD" | 09:58 |
| bojleros | that's why i felt this is going to be this method or create_export but have'nt figured out yet :) | 10:02 |
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| whoami-rajat | Xuchu, around? | 10:28 |
| Xuchu | Hi, whoami-rajat: | 10:28 |
| whoami-rajat | Xuchu, i reviewed this patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/715766/7 | 10:29 |
| whoami-rajat | and i've some refactoring comments | 10:29 |
| whoami-rajat | if you can address them in a quick followup, i can merge this patch | 10:29 |
| Xuchu | whoami-rajat: sure | 10:30 |
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| whoami-rajat | Xuchu, great. i've left my comments. | 10:32 |
| Xuchu | I see your comments, I will check it and refactor in another patch asap. Thanks for your comments | 10:33 |
| bojleros | geguileo thank you for help , i have managed to mount it with hardcoded path | 10:35 |
| bojleros | now i have to test resize and get rid of static path | 10:36 |
| whoami-rajat | Xuchu, np | 10:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/cinder stable/queens: VMAX Driver Queens - FC live migration failure https://review.opendev.org/723532 | 17:47 |
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| enriquetaso | Hi, do we have something like this https://docs.openstack.org/manila/latest/contributor/tempest_tests.html for Cinder? | 18:57 |
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| smcginnis | enriquetaso: That looks old. | 19:07 |
| smcginnis | Our tempest plugins used to be kept in the cinder repo like that. | 19:07 |
| smcginnis | That caused issues. There was a cycle goal to move everyone's tempest plugins out into their own repos. | 19:07 |
| smcginnis | So if manila still has that, they shouldn't. | 19:08 |
| smcginnis | Oh, looks like that initial text is a little misleading. It does talk about installing the plugin as a separate thing later. | 19:08 |
| gouthamr | heh, the first statement on that is wrong | 19:08 |
| gouthamr | yes :) | 19:08 |
| smcginnis | We don't have a doc like that, but we probably could adapt something based off of that. | 19:09 |
| smcginnis | Really nice doc to have. | 19:09 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 19:09 |
| enriquetaso | :) | 19:10 |
| enriquetaso | thanks smcginnis, gouthamr for answered me. I'd would be nice to have one | 19:11 |
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| tosky | smcginnis, enriquetaso, gouthamr : I think the central tempest documentation should be improved instead, and apart from plugin-specific details, all generic information shouldn't be duplicated | 19:21 |
| gouthamr | tosky: sure, it's easier/better if we lead there from the project contributor documentation where we have the specifics | 19:25 |
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