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| SamYaple | ask.openstack.org needs some love. lots of spammers | 07:08 |
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| SamYaple | ive been cleaning it up, but block_spammers is deadlocking the DB due to number of entries I believe | 07:08 |
| SamYaple | reed ^^ | 07:08 |
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| SamYaple | I cleaned up ~4000 spam posts going back about 12 hours from now | 07:36 |
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| sgordon | well then | 12:23 |
| sgordon | looks like there might be some fun clean up to do on ask.o.o | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | yea sgordon i couldnt keep up | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | got stuff to do | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | 07:08 < SamYaple> ask.openstack.org needs some love. lots of spammers | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | 07:09 < SamYaple> ive been cleaning it up, but block_spammers is deadlocking the DB due to number of entries I | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | believe | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | 07:09 < SamYaple> reed ^^ | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | 07:37 < SamYaple> I cleaned up ~4000 spam posts going back about 12 hours from now | 12:24 |
| sgordon | lemme see | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | 12:24 < sgordon> well then | 12:24 |
| sgordon | i think i can block user and del all content | 12:24 |
| SamYaple | sgordon: you can, but there are lots of users | 12:25 |
| sgordon | fun | 12:25 |
| SamYaple | i cleaned up 4000 posts, about 200 hundred users | 12:25 |
| SamYaple | looks like there is that much work to do now as well | 12:25 |
| sgordon | any idea why they are getting straight through instead of going into the mod queue? | 12:25 |
| SamYaple | nope | 12:26 |
| SamYaple | cleaning up allowed me to cause several database deadlocks though :) | 12:26 |
| sgordon | fifieldt, do you know if anyone can help us out temporarily by blocking new user registration or something ^ | 12:28 |
| SamYaple | reed should be able too | 12:28 |
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| fifieldt | hi | 12:53 |
| SamYaple | hello | 12:53 |
| fifieldt | so, sgordon, SamYaple | 12:53 |
| fifieldt | reed used to take care of ask's spam thingy | 12:53 |
| fifieldt | at the moment, fungi might have access | 12:53 |
| SamYaple | what happened to reed? | 12:54 |
| fifieldt | he left | 12:54 |
| SamYaple | I was unaware | 12:54 |
| fifieldt | last time this happened an IP address block was effective | 12:54 |
| SamYaple | lots of ips | 12:54 |
| fifieldt | yes, we blocked a range | 12:54 |
| SamYaple | lots of ranges | 12:55 |
| fifieldt | we basically blocked a major ISP in India | 12:55 |
| fifieldt | for 3 days | 12:55 |
| fifieldt | after which the attack stopped | 12:55 |
| fifieldt | the spam tools in ask are not effective to deal with massive attacks | 12:55 |
| SamYaple | this is korea and russia | 12:55 |
| fifieldt | you guys in the admin queue blocking folks? | 12:56 |
| SamYaple | fifieldt: yea but i cant stop new registrations | 12:56 |
| SamYaple | ive been fighting it for about 10 hours waiting for someone with more server control | 12:56 |
| SamYaple | gots stuff to do | 12:56 |
| fifieldt | fungi would be it, as far as I know | 12:56 |
| fifieldt | I'll see if I can raise him | 12:57 |
| SamYaple | to be fair today is my day off and i was also watching the termintator movies, so no real loss | 12:57 |
| sgordon | fifieldt, trying to but if you look at the new users queue they have 100+ accounts | 12:57 |
| sgordon | and the biggest hammer we have is to go through each one and block+delete | 12:57 |
| fifieldt | yup, askbot is totally ineffective to deal with this kind of attack | 12:58 |
| fifieldt | let;s see if we can work out some ip ranges | 12:58 |
| fifieldt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ask-spam-ips | 12:58 |
| SamYaple | i dont think i have access to a users queue, i just have moderation queue | 12:58 |
| sgordon | SamYaple, i dont either | 12:59 |
| sgordon | SamYaple, just looking at https://ask.openstack.org/en/users/ | 12:59 |
| SamYaple | ah | 12:59 |
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| fifieldt | for reference, the previous spam attack was never properly cleaned up | 13:01 |
| SamYaple | i know :) | 13:01 |
| SamYaple | looks like alot of korea | 13:02 |
| fifieldt | my "Block Spammers" button in the moderation queue isn't even working | 13:02 |
| SamYaple | fifieldt: it is, its just deadlocking the database if you do more than one user | 13:03 |
| SamYaple | dont do that | 13:03 |
| fifieldt | great software :) | 13:03 |
| sgordon | you have to go to their user page | 13:03 |
| sgordon | and click block and delete all content | 13:03 |
| sgordon | it's da best | 13:03 |
| SamYaple | sgordon: thats what block spammers does in the mod queue | 13:04 |
| sgordon | ahk | 13:04 |
| sgordon | well same as for fifieldt that button doesnt actually work for me | 13:04 |
| SamYaple | one user at a time | 13:04 |
| SamYaple | figured that out within the first 20 deadlocks :) | 13:04 |
| sgordon | even with 1 | 13:04 |
| sgordon | it just does nada | 13:05 |
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| SamYaple | its working for me | 13:05 |
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| sgordon | yay i am down to NerdSkills11 | 13:06 |
| sgordon | ;p | 13:06 |
| SamYaple | i remember nerdskills01 | 13:06 |
| SamYaple | i just cleaned up nerdskills50 :/ | 13:06 |
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| sgordon | woot | 13:10 |
| sgordon | think we got them all | 13:10 |
| sgordon | for now | 13:10 |
| sgordon | ... | 13:10 |
| SamYaple | nope | 13:10 |
| SamYaple | sgordon: you in the mod queue? | 13:10 |
| sgordon | im looking on the ask.openstack.org front page | 13:10 |
| sgordon | anything that is stuck in the mod queue at this point wasnt actually posted | 13:11 |
| sgordon | (publicly that is) | 13:11 |
| SamYaple | fair point | 13:11 |
| sgordon | i would love to know how all the rest of it didnt end up in the mod queue though | 13:11 |
| sgordon | i would have thought a brand new user immediately posting 10+ questions would be a gimme | 13:11 |
| SamYaple | we overloaded the mod queue maybe? | 13:12 |
| SamYaple | after 1000 messages it skips the queue | 13:12 |
| SamYaple | im guessing | 13:12 |
| sgordon | mmm some of the stuff in the queue | 13:12 |
| sgordon | is for users i already blocked and deleted all content for | 13:12 |
| sgordon | so i guess it doesnt clear the entry in the mod queue when you do it from the other button O.o | 13:12 |
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| SamYaple | sgordon: thanks! | 13:14 |
| * SamYaple grumbles | 13:14 | |
| SamYaple | :) | 13:14 |
| sgordon | unfortunately im sure they will be back | 13:14 |
| sgordon | the most recent posts were from less than an hour ago | 13:14 |
| SamYaple | and in greater numbers | 13:14 |
| sgordon | and as i say that | 13:14 |
| sgordon | brand new ones | 13:14 |
| SamYaple | sgordon: this has been going on for about 20 hours | 13:15 |
| SamYaple | i got here 10 hour in | 13:15 |
| sgordon | yeah | 13:15 |
| fifieldt | ok | 13:15 |
| fifieldt | I got the admin interface | 13:15 |
| fifieldt | learning it now | 13:15 |
| SamYaple | mod queue empty again | 13:16 |
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| fifieldt | this admin interface is rather .. limited | 13:17 |
| SamYaple | fifieldt: it was mostly south korea, a few scattered ips and then a /26 | 13:17 |
| fifieldt | would you recommend a block? | 13:17 |
| SamYaple | on the ips listed from korea and digital ocena, yes | 13:17 |
| SamYaple | digital ocean ones not long though, maybe a few days | 13:18 |
| SamYaple | those ips cycle | 13:18 |
| fifieldt | aye | 13:18 |
| fifieldt | though, theory: most of our users probably don't access ask via a proxy hosted on a cloud provider | 13:18 |
| SamYaple | fair point | 13:19 |
| SamYaple | but then again, I do from RAX for alot of stuff | 13:19 |
| SamYaple | or userbase is the technical kind | 13:19 |
| fifieldt | the bad news is the admin interface is sadly limited | 13:20 |
| SamYaple | yea :/ | 13:20 |
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| fifieldt | it's the standard django interface | 13:22 |
| fifieldt | which means it's just the database | 13:22 |
| fifieldt | there's no ability to alter the moderation or subscription methods that I can see | 13:22 |
| fifieldt | oh, wait | 13:23 |
| fifieldt | there is _another_ admin interfac | 13:23 |
| fifieldt | do the spam posts have links in them>? | 13:23 |
| SamYaple | not always | 13:24 |
| SamYaple | something about bamwar5.com or something, but it was unicode and not a link | 13:24 |
| fifieldt | ok, let me see if there's a string block | 13:25 |
| SamYaple | that would be most helpful. these spam attacks have had very consistent strings | 13:25 |
| SamYaple | an interface that would let me set the string to block would also be nice | 13:26 |
| fifieldt | yup, looks like there is no such feature here | 13:26 |
| SamYaple | :D | 13:27 |
| fifieldt | LOL | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | " Enable Akismet spam detection(keys below are required) " | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | so | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | take a guess as to whether that is on or off | 13:28 |
| SamYaple | i guess on | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | it was off | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | I have turned it on | 13:28 |
| SamYaple | kinda figured :P | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | and now wonder what it does :) | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | :D | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | ok, there's also the potential to turn on a CAPTCHA | 13:29 |
| fifieldt | is that worth doing? | 13:29 |
| SamYaple | i suppose so, but man do i hate capthca | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | oh! I just found how to delete tags | 13:30 |
| sgordon | i actually think a captcha is the right long term solution | 13:30 |
| sgordon | at the very least for signups | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | I think this is for posting :| | 13:31 |
| sgordon | bummer | 13:31 |
| SamYaple | signups require external auth anyway | 13:31 |
| SamYaple | tehre isnt local ask.openstack.org signins anymore | 13:31 |
| SamYaple | not for a long time | 13:31 |
| sgordon | yeah im saying it would need to be an additional step | 13:31 |
| SamYaple | the other auths handle that | 13:31 |
| sgordon | yeah well that's clearly working really well | 13:32 |
| sgordon | very loose definition of 'handle' and all :p | 13:32 |
| SamYaple | captcha is really easy to beat nowadays | 13:32 |
| sgordon | do we know which auth provider these came from? | 13:32 |
| fifieldt | ok, so how sure are we we got all the spam? | 13:32 |
| sgordon | that really depends on the captcha | 13:32 |
| SamYaple | pay a guy to crack 30-40 a minute | 13:32 |
| fifieldt | because if I delete the tags, we lose an easy way to find it | 13:32 |
| sgordon | fifieldt, right no wit looks clean but let me go back a few pages | 13:33 |
| SamYaple | fifieldt: yea its clean | 13:33 |
| sgordon | yeah | 13:33 |
| sgordon | nada | 13:33 |
| fifieldt | you guys are legends | 13:33 |
| fifieldt | ok, manually deleting tags, 100 at a time :( | 13:33 |
| SamYaple | lol | 13:33 |
| sgordon | it is almost like ask was designed by spammers for spammers | 13:33 |
| sgordon | lol | 13:33 |
| fifieldt | it's a 7-click, two-refresh process | 13:33 |
| fifieldt | haha, it certainl;y feels that way | 13:34 |
| SamYaple | good luck mr fifield. its been an honor and a pleasure | 13:34 |
| SamYaple | ill tell the team where you are | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | lol, thank you guys very, very much | 13:34 |
| SamYaple | youll be there a while | 13:34 |
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| fifieldt | there's also an option in the admin panel to ask moderators to OK tag creation | 13:45 |
| SamYaple | sounds useful | 13:46 |
| fifieldt | things that are "prevention" are useful :) | 13:47 |
| fifieldt | but I wonder what it actually does | 13:47 |
| fifieldt | maybe it just puts more entries in the moderation queue :P | 13:47 |
| fifieldt | want to try>? | 13:47 |
| SamYaple | sure | 13:48 |
| fifieldt | hmm, can't turn it on and also keep tags required | 13:51 |
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| SamYaple | it doesnt want you to make it better! | 13:53 |
| SamYaple | its happy just the way it is! | 13:53 |
| fifieldt | well, yay | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | no ability to sort tags | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | meaning I do have to go through all 70 pages of them and pick out the bad ones | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | FFFUUUUUU | 13:55 |
| SamYaple | share the load somehow? | 13:56 |
| fifieldt | it's database query time | 13:56 |
| SamYaple | ugh | 13:56 |
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| fifieldt | site's dead | 14:02 |
| SamYaple | dammit Tom! youre worse than that dinosaur supervisor | 14:03 |
| SamYaple | we said FIX not break | 14:03 |
| SamYaple | ugh | 14:03 |
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| fifieldt | ok, so we're going to experiment with cloudflare also | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | since in theory it can CAPTCHA some of the bots | 14:53 |
| SamYaple | ok | 14:54 |
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| reed | SamYaple, sgordon, fifieldt: I have enabled "pre-moderation" queue, it prevents publishing before moderator's decision. | 15:08 |
| reed | on ask.o.o | 15:08 |
| reed | fifieldt, you don't have admin rights on ask? let me check | 15:08 |
| fifieldt | I do now | 15:08 |
| reed | oh, sorry, I wasn't aware | 15:09 |
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| SamYaple | thanks reed that should help in the future | 15:09 |
| reed | on that note, the site needs help to migrate to newer version and establish a process to consume upstream | 15:11 |
| reed | sgordon, do you know who manages askbot on Fedora? | 15:12 |
| reed | with mrmartin we threw around ideas to fork askbot but we'd need help to maintain it | 15:13 |
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| sgordon | reed, i dont know any more than is listed on the wiki | 15:37 |
| sgordon | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Askbot | 15:37 |
| sgordon | i havent been active on the fedora ask instance in quite some time | 15:37 |
| reed | sgordon, thanks | 15:38 |
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| SamYaple | ive asked larsks reed, he said #fedora-admin is a channel that should have your answer | 15:46 |
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| reed | SamYaple, on freenode, right? /me joins | 15:53 |
| sgordon | yeah | 15:53 |
| SamYaple | reed: yup | 15:54 |
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| reed | o/ puiterwijk | 16:14 |
| puiterwijk | hi all | 16:14 |
| reed | folks, puiterwijk is the fedora packager of askbot | 16:14 |
| puiterwijk | (and Fedora sysadmin responsible for maintaining ask.fedoraproject.org) | 16:14 |
| reed | great :) | 16:15 |
| SamYaple | hello puiterwijk! | 16:15 |
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| reed | puiterwijk, mrmartin is the person helping openstack on askbot side | 16:17 |
| reed | here is the latest puppet work done by mrmartin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172880/ | 16:17 |
| reed | (he's not online now, usually he joins later in the evening, CEST time) | 16:18 |
| reed | or CEDT, better :) | 16:18 |
| puiterwijk | reed: checking it out, thanks! | 16:18 |
| puiterwijk | Just curious, what's CEDT? you mean Central European Summer Time? | 16:19 |
| reed | yeah, daylight saving | 16:19 |
| puiterwijk | hah, unfortunate that I can only login with an Ubuntu account :) | 16:24 |
| puiterwijk | reed: okay, the puppet stuff looks fine to me. So what can I help with on Askbot? | 16:26 |
| reed | puiterwijk, we'll need to discuss with mrmartin but his idea is to understand better if we can keep a sort of fork | 16:27 |
| puiterwijk | ah okay | 16:28 |
| reed | the fork would just be a collection of upstream commits that we have tested and can 'bless' as stable | 16:30 |
| puiterwijk | well, would it be an idea to offer upstream some help with gating heir commits? | 16:31 |
| puiterwijk | That way, everyone would be able to gain from it | 16:31 |
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| reed | puiterwijk, right, that would mean setting up gating jobs and such... | 16:35 |
| reed | that's where help would come in handy | 16:35 |
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| puiterwijk | well, we can always offer to setup for example travis, which can report back to github (I think that's the main repo, not?). As long as the one merging the commits is forced to at least look at testing results, it's at least an improvement | 16:36 |
| reed | puiterwijk, the openstack community has jenkins already available, and the idea of a fork is exactly to use the system we already have | 16:39 |
| reed | I think we need to talk to marton about this, i'll send an email so you both know each other and can talk in convenient CEDT/CEST time | 16:39 |
| puiterwijk | right, but I'm doubting whether forking is the best option, or whether we could best just help the current maintainer getting a more sensible merge/release scheme. (just thinking about it, as that would sound ideal to me) | 16:40 |
| puiterwijk | but sure, if you send the email, I can discuss with your contact about this | 16:40 |
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