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| sidx64 | hello!! I am trying to manually add magnum to devstack, and have followed the developer documentation as provided. when Im creating a bay in magnum using kubernetes as the CoE, I get this error message about HealthMonitor. Can someone tell me what this is and how to solve it? any help is Much appreciated :) : :http://ur1.ca/og8e5 | 16:40 |
| sidx64 | InvalidParameterValue: ERROR: Service neutron does not have required endpoint in service catalog for the resource type OS::Neutron::HealthMonitor | 16:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/magnum: [WIP] Consolidate Heat templates with conditionals https://review.openstack.org/261094 | 18:24 |
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| vilobhmm11 | Tango : ping | 19:09 |
| Tango | Hi vilobhmm11 | 19:10 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : can you help me understand your comment on the quota review "Basically, this means that quota doesn't necessarily mean that that usage is below the quota at any time. " | 19:10 |
| vilobhmm11 | so what i mean to say is if quota for containers is 10 for project "foo" | 19:10 |
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| vilobhmm11 | so users can create at max 10 containers | 19:11 |
| vilobhmm11 | lets say 7 are in-use | 19:11 |
| vilobhmm11 | so we can't lower the quota to less than 8 | 19:11 |
| vilobhmm11 | does that make sense ? | 19:11 |
| Tango | right, this check is done when the user wants to create new containers | 19:11 |
| vilobhmm11 | true | 19:11 |
| Tango | So we can think of 2 ways to interpret what quota means | 19:12 |
| vilobhmm11 | also we prohibit quota update to a value that might endanger already in-use resources | 19:12 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : example please | 19:13 |
| Tango | (1) the existing resources used is always lower that what the quota is; so this means you can't set quota to something lower than the current usage | 19:14 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : 5 < 10 so you can;t set quota to something lower than 5 that means quota-update not allowed for something less than 5 right ? | 19:15 |
| Tango | (2) quota is only used when checking for new request; so with this, the value of the quota and the actual usage can be different | 19:15 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : The value of quota (10) actual usage (5) | 19:15 |
| Tango | so what I would like to suggest is to allow setting quota to 5 while the current usage is 7 | 19:16 |
| Tango | what this means is that the user cannot request any more resource, and this holds until the usage comes down to less than 5 | 19:16 |
| Tango | the main purpose is to allow the admin to always change the quota | 19:17 |
| Tango | and avoid the situation where the admin is stuck not able to lower the quota | 19:18 |
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| vilobhmm11 | so for case (1) (2) quota-update/quota-create check for "quota" (10) >"new value to be set (update)"/"increment value (create)" >= "current_usage" | 19:18 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : ^^ this is how I image the change to be | 19:19 |
| Tango | So I am thinking that we don't even need to do this check against the current usage | 19:19 |
| Tango | for quota create and update | 19:20 |
| Tango | we just set it to any value, and then the check is done at the point of request | 19:20 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : I seriously don't get what is this going to buy us | 19:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | "so what I would like to suggest is to allow setting quota to 5 while the current usage is 7; what this means is that the user cannot request any more resource, and this holds until the usage comes down to less than 5" | 19:21 |
| Tango | This should make quota more flexible and dynamic. | 19:21 |
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| vilobhmm11 | what if all the 7 are under use ? will you still be able to update the value to 5 ? (i understand its just a logical constraint) | 19:22 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : ^^ | 19:22 |
| vilobhmm11 | then why not set it to 0 to prohibit any new creation | 19:22 |
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| Tango | Yes, that's what I am suggesting. The point I am worried about is that there is a situation where the admin cannot adjust the quota. | 19:23 |
| Tango | Setting to 0 should be perfectly fine to stop the user | 19:23 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : ok | 19:25 |
| vilobhmm11 | let me think more | 19:26 |
| vilobhmm11 | so the point here is not to raise an exception | 19:26 |
| vilobhmm11 | when the value is reduced below the usage | 19:26 |
| vilobhmm11 | by the admin | 19:26 |
| Tango | right | 19:26 |
| Tango | Simpler and more flexible, I think. | 19:27 |
| Tango | We can also solicit feedback from others. | 19:28 |
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| vilobhmm11 | the thing that i am worried is since the quota is imposed at a project level so if one malicious user is consuming quota abruptly setting it to 0 will block even other users to create containers | 19:29 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : ^^ | 19:29 |
| Tango | I was thinking that quota can be set per project? | 19:30 |
| vilobhmm11 | quota is mostly set on a project basis | 19:31 |
| Tango | We can have a global quota, but per project should be more manageable. | 19:31 |
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| vilobhmm11 | Tango : that involves more complications than we need; we need to keep things in sync and all other stuff…so lets not go into global vs local stuff :) | 19:32 |
| Tango | that's fine | 19:32 |
| vilobhmm11 | per user vs per project | 19:32 |
| vilobhmm11 | is what we should think of | 19:32 |
| Tango | So at the project level, it seems ok | 19:32 |
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| vilobhmm11 | so if we set quota to 0 we block all other users in that project to create new resources is something that we should be aware of | 19:33 |
| vilobhmm11 | hongbin : ^^ | 19:33 |
| Tango | It's true that there can be multiple users in a project, and the quota is applied to all the users | 19:33 |
| Tango | if the admin has to go to the extreme level of setting quota to 0, then there is a serious problem with the project | 19:34 |
| Tango | and this needs to be resolved for all the users in the project | 19:34 |
| vilobhmm11 | but prohibiting 999 users if 1 of them is a problem doesn't look that appealing…also when we think of nested quota in future and if this project lends of quota to child project those projects will also be affected | 19:35 |
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| Tango | anyway, setting to 0 is an extreme case, but it's really no different than setting to any other value if we apply the quota to all users in the project | 19:36 |
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| Tango | So to think of another scenario: suppose the quota is set at 100 at the beginning for the project | 19:38 |
| Tango | 1 user takes up 99 containers. | 19:38 |
| Tango | now there are many other users who start to create a lot of containers and the admin wants to lower the quota | 19:39 |
| Tango | there is no way for the admin to do this since the quota will be stuck at 100 | 19:39 |
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| Tango | if we allow the admin to lower the quota to 50, then this will limit the new requests from other users. Eventually, the user with 99 containers will release the resources | 19:41 |
| vilobhmm11 | Tango : I get your point but can't the admin do this quota-update "foo" 200 | 19:41 |
| vilobhmm11 | for growing request | 19:41 |
| vilobhmm11 | hopefully | 19:41 |
| vilobhmm11 | why will the user with 99 containers release the resource | 19:42 |
| Tango | it's not a problem for increasing quota | 19:42 |
| vilobhmm11 | he has already claimed them | 19:42 |
| Tango | well, that would be a different issue, reclaiming resource from user that is over quota | 19:43 |
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| vilobhmm11 | Tango : yes reclaiming resource IMHO is not that starightforward and seems to be out of the scope for the quota spec | 19:44 |
| Tango | but that should be a less critical problem than not allowing the admin to lower quota | 19:44 |
| vilobhmm11 | ok | 19:44 |
| vilobhmm11 | so will update the spec…nice to have such discussion | 19:44 |
| Tango | I would agree that it's not in the scope for quota | 19:45 |
| Tango | Thanks vilobhmm11 | 19:45 |
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| vilobhmm11 | thanks Tango! | 19:46 |
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| vilobhmm11 | Tango : ping | 20:08 |
| vilobhmm11 | also on line 83 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266662/6/specs/resource-quotas.rst | 20:09 |
| Tango | vilobhmm11: So we don't have a good solution here | 20:10 |
| vilobhmm11 | yup | 20:10 |
| vilobhmm11 | the reason being not all COE's expose quota specific aPI's that magnum can rely on at this moment | 20:11 |
| vilobhmm11 | even though magnum tried to grab a count by querying these api's | 20:11 |
| Tango | But we can think of a couple ways to help | 20:11 |
| vilobhmm11 | also if native client create x number of resources where X > Y (hard limit of quotas) there is no way it will be restricted by Y | 20:12 |
| vilobhmm11 | 1. query coe quota api to get count of resources created | 20:12 |
| Tango | Right, that's why I am worried that user would just uses natice client and forget about Magnum API | 20:12 |
| vilobhmm11 | 2. if count < hardlimit creation can happen through mafnum api | 20:13 |
| vilobhmm11 | I am not aware of a way that is outside magnum's scope to check the usage | 20:13 |
| vilobhmm11 | since the quota values are restricted to resources created through magnum api | 20:14 |
| Tango | Yeah, I don't think there is a way if the user goes outside of Magnum | 20:14 |
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| vilobhmm11 | the best effort here can be to check usage from coe before creating resource | 20:14 |
| Tango | So counting all the resources by querying the COE is one way | 20:15 |
| vilobhmm11 | +1 | 20:15 |
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| Tango | Now, if the user creates a lot of container, then eventually the cluster would need more node | 20:15 |
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| Tango | Then we can prevent the user from doing a bay-update to add nodes | 20:16 |
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| Tango | So in this case, it's probably OK to let the user create more containers than the quota by going through the native client | 20:17 |
| vilobhmm11 | that can be one way..or another can be checking node resource consumption | 20:17 |
| vilobhmm11 | node's physical resource if swarm provides such api's | 20:18 |
| vilobhmm11 | i know k8s provides quota api have to check if swarm has such functionality | 20:18 |
| vilobhmm11 | since for mitaka will restrct it to docker swarm | 20:19 |
| Tango | right, we could leverage whatever support the COE provides in terms of quota | 20:19 |
| vilobhmm11 | hmm | 20:21 |
| vilobhmm11 | makes sense | 20:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/magnum: Propose Magnum Resource Quota https://review.openstack.org/266662 | 20:47 |
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| rods | hello, the readme file in the kubernetes template folder says "These Heat templates will deploy a Kubernetes cluster that supports automatic scaling based on CPU load." Does that mean scaling the number of minions? I though auto-scaling was a work in progress | 22:06 |
| rods | https://github.com/openstack/magnum/tree/master/magnum/templates/kubernetes#a-kubernetes-cluster-with-heat | 22:06 |
| rods | *thought | 22:07 |
| hongbin | rods: No. That is a wrong statement. | 22:10 |
| hongbin | We should update the statement to avoid confusion | 22:11 |
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| rods | hongbin I'll submit a patch | 22:11 |
| rods | thx | 22:11 |
| hongbin | np | 22:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Corey O'Brien proposed openstack/magnum: Update functional test docs https://review.openstack.org/272319 | 23:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hongbin Lu proposed openstack/magnum: Document how to create a CoreOS bay https://review.openstack.org/262927 | 23:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum: UT: cleanup in API test cases for response attr verification https://review.openstack.org/271956 | 23:56 |
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