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| flwang | strigazi: you probably mentioned that before, but i forgot | 00:04 |
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| itlinux | not sure that's the case imdigitaljim: but I will check | 02:44 |
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| mago_ | Hi team, strigazi, FYI I found a way of "protecting" my public clusters using the policy file, as suggested by georgem1. | 07:22 |
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| mago_ | I replaced the default value ("clustertemplate:delete": "rule:deny_cluster_user") with : "clustertemplate:delete": "rule:admin_or_owner". This seems to be working very well | 07:23 |
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| mago_ | I have another feature request already :D (don't know if this is the right place to talk about it or if I should also / instead fill in some feature request form, please let me know) | 07:45 |
| mago_ | It would be great if we could be able to specify two different images for the master k8s and for the nodes | 07:46 |
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| mago_ | In the context of enabling GPUs in our k8s cluster, as we configure GPU passthrough on the image directly, booting up a master k8s node with this image "wastes" a GPU | 07:47 |
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| strigazi | mago_: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/1032 Why do you need a special image? | 10:11 |
| strigazi | mago_: We should be able to do it without a special one, we are working on ti | 10:11 |
| strigazi | mago_: see: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2002576 | 10:11 |
| strigazi | mago_: for the CT use case please create a story in https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/1032 | 10:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum stable/queens: Strip signed certificate https://review.openstack.org/574167 | 10:42 |
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| mago_ | strigazi, you're totally right, I made a stupid confusion. I'm working with olivier and I'm using the images he built. I just forgot for a moment that we use flavors with 'pci_passthrough' properties to attach the GPU card. sorry about that ... must have forgot my coffee this morning. | 10:49 |
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| flwang1 | strigazi: meeting in mins? | 16:56 |
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| strigazi | flwang1: yes | 16:58 |
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| strigazi | #startmeeting containers | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 21 16:59:24 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is strigazi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:59 |
| strigazi | #topic Roll Call | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:59 | |
| strigazi | o/ | 16:59 |
| imdigitaljim | o/ | 16:59 |
| cbrumm | o/ | 16:59 |
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| flwang1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| strigazi | Thanks for joining the meeting imdigitaljim cbrumm flwang1 | 17:00 |
| strigazi | #topic Announcements | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 17:00 | |
| jslater | o/ | 17:01 |
| ARussell | o/ | 17:01 |
| strigazi | We can have this meeting for 3-4 weeks to see if it works for people, then we decide either to have two meetings, alternate or change to this hour Thursdays or Tuesdays | 17:02 |
| strigazi | hello jslater and ARussell | 17:02 |
| strigazi | #topic Blueprints/Bugs/Ideas | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints/Bugs/Ideas (Meeting topic: containers)" | 17:02 | |
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| flwang1 | jslater: ARussell: are you also from blizzard? | 17:02 |
| cbrumm | Yes, they both are. | 17:03 |
| jslater | correct | 17:03 |
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| flwang1 | wow, big team here | 17:03 |
| cbrumm | Jim, and Jslater are two of my engineers. Arussell is my PM | 17:03 |
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| cbrumm | and colin who just joined | 17:03 |
| strigazi | Usually in this section of the meeting we report what are we working on and ask for help/feedback | 17:03 |
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| strigazi | cbrumm: excellent :) | 17:04 |
| colin- | sorry for being late | 17:04 |
| strigazi | colin-: no worries | 17:04 |
| imdigitaljim | we're working on changes with Magnum to enable cloud-controller-manager to work with OpenStack. | 17:04 |
| flwang1 | good to see all you folks | 17:04 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: cool, we have a story, just a moment | 17:05 |
| imdigitaljim | so far we've had to add back the kube-proxy to the master, which should maybe optional rather than just simply removed | 17:05 |
| strigazi | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1762743 | 17:05 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: yes, we went that direction because for almost two year we didn't have any use case for proxy and kubelet in the master nodes | 17:06 |
| strigazi | We can put them back, | 17:06 |
| imdigitaljim | we've also explored the idea on adding another k8s feature-gate (labels) to have post-cluster creation scripts/manifests for more customization | 17:07 |
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| strigazi | Add extra software deployments? | 17:08 |
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| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: gerrit gate？ | 17:08 |
| imdigitaljim | we have a number of different customers with varying requirements and adding it to magnum would be inefficient/ineffective | 17:09 |
| strigazi | We investigated this option for some time but we had only software configs available | 17:09 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: so at CERN, we do this already but we patch magnum | 17:09 |
| cbrumm | is that patch in your public gitlab? | 17:10 |
| strigazi | we add extra labels to enable/disanble CERN-specific features | 17:10 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: if we can host those scripts/yaml somewhere (on github), this could be doable? | 17:10 |
| imdigitaljim | but simplying being able to do --labels extra_manifests="mycode.sh" | 17:10 |
| strigazi | can you see this? https://gitlab.cern.ch/cloud-infrastructure/magnum | 17:10 |
| imdigitaljim | yeah we have access here | 17:10 |
| cbrumm | Yes, thank you | 17:10 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: not like this, but we want what you just mentioned too | 17:11 |
| imdigitaljim | yeah we're not set on that design just the idea of having the feature | 17:11 |
| strigazi | for example we added cephfs this week https://gitlab.cern.ch/cloud-infrastructure/magnum/commit/42d35211c540c9b86eb91fd1c042505dbddbfcef | 17:12 |
| imdigitaljim | why not have a label that links to a single file with additional parameters to source? | 17:12 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: flwang1 I think the extra script is better to be saved in the magnum DB or live as a config option | 17:12 |
| imdigitaljim | so you can add n parameters on a single label | 17:13 |
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| flwang1 | strigazi: i also realized using label for new feature config is hard to manage sometimes | 17:13 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: we can have a generic field yes | 17:14 |
| colin- | how has ceph been doing since you added it? curious about reliability of attaches/detaches/unexpected losses | 17:14 |
| strigazi | one more json | 17:14 |
| strigazi | colin-: scale tests are planned for july | 17:14 |
| strigazi | we will try crach our testing cephfs basically :) | 17:15 |
| strigazi | *crash | 17:15 |
| strigazi | We just finished the implementation of cephfs-csi, so we can't tell for cephfs. Ceph however is going very well | 17:16 |
| imdigitaljim | does anyone here use octavia with magnum currently? | 17:16 |
| strigazi | flwang1: ^^ | 17:16 |
| cbrumm | good to hear, we have a storage team that might be looking at ceph in the future | 17:16 |
| strigazi | we don't have octavia | 17:16 |
| imdigitaljim | we've got plans to hit it (hopefully by the end of july ;D) | 17:17 |
| cbrumm | since it has support in the cloud controller already I'm not sure there will be much magnum work for that | 17:18 |
| strigazi | so we have 10PB out 15 PB in use on two ceph clusters | 17:18 |
| cbrumm | might have to just add a switch for octavia vs neutron | 17:18 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: we're using octavia | 17:19 |
| flwang1 | we just release it yesterday on one region | 17:19 |
| colin- | curious, is CERN using another LoadBalancer provider integrated with the in-tree Kubernetes/Openstack libraries? Perhaps a hardware device+driver? | 17:19 |
| imdigitaljim | flwang1: good to know :) | 17:19 |
| flwang1 | now we're going to upgrade heat, and then deploy magnum | 17:19 |
| imdigitaljim | flwang1: i might need to pick your brain later | 17:19 |
| strigazi | colin-: we use traefik and an in-house DNS lbaas | 17:19 |
| colin- | strigazi: got it, thanks | 17:19 |
| strigazi | colin-: so some nodes are labeled to run traefik | 17:20 |
| strigazi | and these nodes use the same alias | 17:20 |
| imdigitaljim | what are plans to upgrade heat templates in magnum to something like queens and do refactoring? | 17:20 |
| strigazi | the alias is created manually, not very dynamic | 17:20 |
| colin- | sounds interesting :) | 17:20 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: what do you mean by upgrade, what changes do yo need? | 17:21 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: what do you mean by upgrade, what changes do you need? | 17:21 |
| imdigitaljim | we could use later heat template versions and new features with them | 17:21 |
| imdigitaljim | to cleanup some workflows | 17:21 |
| imdigitaljim | https://docs.openstack.org/heat/latest/template_guide/hot_spec.html | 17:22 |
| strigazi | let's start the discussion to see which version works | 17:23 |
| strigazi | in queens only filter is new? | 17:23 |
| imdigitaljim | mostly right now we use Juno | 17:23 |
| imdigitaljim | 2014-10-16 | 17:23 |
| imdigitaljim | so maybe not be 7 versions behind | 17:24 |
| imdigitaljim | theres a lot more than filter ;) | 17:24 |
| strigazi | The minimum that we should go is Newton which is not eol | 17:24 |
| flwang1 | i think newton is eol now | 17:24 |
| strigazi | ok, I see the diff | 17:25 |
| flwang1 | can we have a etherpad to track this ideas? | 17:25 |
| strigazi | pike has quite a lot of things | 17:25 |
| imdigitaljim | i was hoping pike | 17:26 |
| flwang1 | so that we can plan these work in Stein | 17:26 |
| imdigitaljim | (pike at minimum) | 17:26 |
| strigazi | flwang1: we have the log of the meeting we can add stories | 17:26 |
| imdigitaljim | for queens+ | 17:26 |
| flwang1 | ok, fair enough | 17:26 |
| strigazi | #action add story to upgrade the heat-template version to pike or queens | 17:27 |
| strigazi | #action add story for post create deployments | 17:27 |
| strigazi | we have a story for the cloud-provider already | 17:28 |
| flwang1 | thanks strigazi | 17:28 |
| imdigitaljim | kube-proxy/kubelet optionally included for master | 17:28 |
| imdigitaljim | ? | 17:28 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim let's add them back | 17:28 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: if you're using calico, we have alreay added kubelet on master | 17:28 |
| strigazi | flwang1: thoughts? | 17:28 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: i'm OK with that ;) | 17:28 |
| imdigitaljim | all CNI's should be separated from these | 17:29 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: what's the network driver you're using btw? | 17:29 |
| imdigitaljim | we use calico so we didnt have the kubelet problem | 17:29 |
| cbrumm | Calico | 17:29 |
| strigazi | #action add story to put kubelet/proxy back in the master nodes | 17:29 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: good to know you're using calico :D | 17:29 |
| imdigitaljim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576623/ | 17:29 |
| imdigitaljim | strigazi: that was where the confusion came from here | 17:30 |
| imdigitaljim | we should generally decouple master components from CNI | 17:30 |
| strigazi | flannel doesn't need the proxy on the master but if the master node wants to ping a service it is required | 17:31 |
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| flwang1 | strigazi: so let's get them back? | 17:32 |
| strigazi | We can have a script per CNI, flwang1 started it | 17:32 |
| strigazi | flwang1: yes | 17:32 |
| imdigitaljim | yeah that sounds great | 17:32 |
| strigazi | I'll add the story | 17:32 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: then my next question is should it be backported to queens? | 17:32 |
| flwang1 | given we removed them in queens | 17:33 |
| strigazi | flwang1: we can | 17:33 |
| strigazi | We can ask in the ML | 17:33 |
| strigazi | but it also depends on what we need | 17:34 |
| strigazi | cern, catalyst, blizzard, other users | 17:34 |
| strigazi | I think it's good, the use cases for it, increased quite a lot | 17:34 |
| flwang1 | cool cool | 17:35 |
| imdigitaljim | sidenote: we also have someone here working on magnum for gophercloud | 17:35 |
| strigazi | cern doesn't have a big stake at it, we cherry-pick anyway what we need | 17:36 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: \o/ | 17:36 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: i already have a patch for gophercloud to support magnum | 17:36 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: to add the client? | 17:36 |
| flwang1 | just doing some testing now | 17:36 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: yes | 17:36 |
| flwang1 | so that user can use terraform to talk to magnum api | 17:36 |
| strigazi | all I hear is autoscaling | 17:36 |
| flwang1 | and i'm also working on support mangum in ansible/shade | 17:37 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: ^ | 17:37 |
| cbrumm | flwang1: I'll make sure our guy contacts you about gophercloud | 17:37 |
| flwang1 | cbrumm: no problem | 17:37 |
| strigazi | please cc me in github | 17:37 |
| cbrumm | ansible/shade is good, we will likely need terraform too | 17:37 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: for what? the gophercloud work? | 17:38 |
| strigazi | yes, you have pr? | 17:38 |
| strigazi | yes, you have PRs? | 17:38 |
| flwang1 | not yet, in my local | 17:38 |
| imdigitaljim | yeah let me know and i can connect you with our engineer on gophercloud | 17:38 |
| flwang1 | i will start to submit probably since today or early next week | 17:38 |
| cbrumm | good to know, we don't want to duplicate effort | 17:39 |
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| flwang1 | #link magum support in gophercloud https://github.com/gophercloud/gophercloud/issues/1003 | 17:39 |
| imdigitaljim | user on that link JackKuei is working with us | 17:40 |
| cbrumm | Yeah, JackKuei is our guy at the bottom of that | 17:40 |
| colin- | flwang1: for your Calico deployment are you using the iptables or ipvs method? | 17:40 |
| strigazi | flwang1: you talked to him already | 17:41 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: nice, i will interlock with him/her | 17:41 |
| imdigitaljim | oh just curious question, do you use systemd vs cgroupfs and why? | 17:41 |
| mordred | flwang1: ++ magnum support in ansible/shade | 17:41 |
| imdigitaljim | related here | 17:41 |
| imdigitaljim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571583/ | 17:41 |
| flwang1 | mordred: hah, good to see you here | 17:42 |
| * mordred lurks everywhere | 17:42 | |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: systemd because it the default in docker in fedora | 17:42 |
| flwang1 | mordred: i'm still waiting for your answer about the upgrade | 17:42 |
| flwang1 | colin-: can we talk offline? i need to check the config | 17:42 |
| strigazi | imdigitaljim: we will move to cgroupfs with this option | 17:42 |
| colin- | for sure | 17:42 |
| imdigitaljim | i havent heard from brtknr but i'd like to get this pushed through | 17:43 |
| mordred | flwang1: oh - I responded in channel this morning ... but maybe the irc gods were not friendly to us | 17:43 |
| mordred | flwang1: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-sdks/latest.log.html#t2018-06-21T11:42:24 | 17:43 |
| flwang1 | mordred: oh, ok, i'm on laptop now, i will check on my workstation later | 17:43 |
| flwang1 | thank you! | 17:44 |
| mordred | flwang1: sweet | 17:44 |
| imdigitaljim | strigazi: would i be able to complete this story on his behalf? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571583/ | 17:44 |
| flwang1 | mordred: i will start the coding work soon, pls review it | 17:44 |
| strigazi | I don't think brtknr will mind you can push a patchset, I tested PS3 | 17:45 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: i would suggest hold a bit because i think brtknr is still active | 17:45 |
| strigazi | you can leave a comment in gerrit | 17:45 |
| strigazi | the patch is in good state | 17:45 |
| imdigitaljim | flwang1: sounds good | 17:46 |
| imdigitaljim | the patch would technically break ironic | 17:47 |
| imdigitaljim | i just was gonna add a compatibility portion of it | 17:47 |
| strigazi | Do you use it? the ironic driver? | 17:47 |
| imdigitaljim | no, just didnt know if that was a concern | 17:48 |
| strigazi | We use the fedora-atomic one with ironic | 17:48 |
| imdigitaljim | or would/could we consider reducing some of our support of other drivers | 17:48 |
| flwang1 | colin-: re your calico question, we're using iptables | 17:48 |
| strigazi | We want to remove the ironic driver | 17:48 |
| flwang1 | colin-: IIRC, the ipvs is still in beta? | 17:48 |
| imdigitaljim | strigazi: +1 | 17:48 |
| strigazi | folks, let's start wrapping up and plan for next week | 17:49 |
| colin- | flwang1: good to know thanks for checking! | 17:49 |
| cbrumm | Thank you all for having this meeting at this time | 17:49 |
| imdigitaljim | well great meeting! thanks for accommodating us with this meeting, we really appreciate it | 17:50 |
| flwang1 | mordred: read your comments, sounds good idea, i will go for that direction, thanks a lot | 17:50 |
| strigazi | cbrumm: thank you for joining, it was great to see you all | 17:50 |
| colin- | nice chatting with you folks, will idle here more often | 17:50 |
| colin- | nice to be back on irc | 17:50 |
| strigazi | colin-: :) | 17:51 |
| flwang1 | good to see you guys | 17:51 |
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| flwang1 | it's 5:51 AM, very dark | 17:51 |
| flwang1 | waves from NZ | 17:51 |
| mordred | flwang1: woot! | 17:51 |
| imdigitaljim | o/ | 17:51 |
| cbrumm | enjoy your friday flwang1 | 17:51 |
| mordred | flwang1: it also is probably a better idea to focus on the copy of the shade code in the openstacksdk repo ... | 17:52 |
| strigazi | flwang1 is a hero | 17:52 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: i need a medal | 17:52 |
| mordred | flwang1: the ansible modules use it now - and I'm hoping to work soon on making shade use the code in sdk - so less churn on your part | 17:52 |
| * mordred hands flwang1 a medal | 17:52 | |
| strigazi | ok, I think it is better to summarize the meeting in an email | 17:52 |
| strigazi | there quite some content | 17:52 |
| flwang1 | mordred: so do you mean implement the code in openstacksdk instead of in shade? sorry if it's a newbie question | 17:53 |
| strigazi | flwang1: definitely, I can bring you a CERN helmet in Berlin :) | 17:53 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: logged | 17:54 |
| flwang1 | and beer | 17:54 |
| strigazi | blizzard folks you should pass by here and pick yours ;) | 17:55 |
| imdigitaljim | :D | 17:55 |
| strigazi | flwang1: deutsche beer | 17:55 |
| flwang1 | can I get a logo of blizzard? | 17:55 |
| strigazi | last action: | 17:55 |
| strigazi | #action strigazi to summarize the meeting in a ML mail | 17:56 |
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| imdigitaljim | flwang1: you mean like this? https://bit.ly/2MdWCOn | 17:57 |
| flwang1 | thank you! haha | 17:57 |
| strigazi | Let's end the meeting then :) Thank you all! | 17:58 |
| strigazi | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Containers Team" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 21 17:58:28 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2018/containers.2018-06-21-16.59.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2018/containers.2018-06-21-16.59.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2018/containers.2018-06-21-16.59.log.html | 17:58 |
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| * strigazi will be back in ~12hrs | 18:00 | |
| flwang1 | strigazi: ttyl | 18:00 |
| strigazi | flwang1: see you, thanks again for being here this early | 18:01 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: no problem | 18:01 |
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| georgem1 | last update of my failed attempts to deploy Magnum on Pike and Ubuntu 16.4: the cluster creation fails with "CREATE aborted (Task create from ResourceGroup "kube_masters" Stack "k8s_cluster-hzojxlidkpas" [85ec8154-d607-45da-a290-570339dc21f4] Timed out) " now | 18:37 |
| georgem1 | I changed in [keystone_authtoken] the "auth_uri" to point to the public endpoint and the "/etc/sysconfig/heat-params" inside the kube-master has a reachable address for the WAIT_CURL and I tested it and it gets 200 OK | 18:38 |
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| imdigitaljim | you cant do k8s on ubuntu with magnum | 18:49 |
| imdigitaljim | georgem1:^ | 18:49 |
| imdigitaljim | unless you're making your own driver | 18:49 |
| imdigitaljim | mesos has an ubuntu driver | 18:51 |
| imdigitaljim | k8s has a fedora atomic driver | 18:51 |
| imdigitaljim | and swarm has a fedora atomic driver | 18:52 |
| georgem1 | imdigitaljim: I created the cluster template using this command: magnum cluster-template-create --name k8s_template --image-id fedora-atomic --keypair-id magnum_key --external-network-id ext-net --dns-nameserver 8.8.8.8 --flavor-id c2.large --master-flavor-id c2.small --docker-volume-size 5 --network-driver flannel --coe kubernetes --floating-ip-enabled | 18:52 |
| imdigitaljim | "Magnum on Pike and Ubuntu 16." | 18:53 |
| imdigitaljim | your image is Ubuntu? | 18:53 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: he installed devstack on ubuntu | 18:53 |
| georgem1 | no, the Openstack runs on Ubuntu | 18:53 |
| georgem1 | not devstack, this is a production cluster | 18:54 |
| georgem1 | 2600 cores | 18:54 |
| imdigitaljim | sure | 18:54 |
| flwang1 | georgem1: ok, cool | 18:54 |
| georgem1 | cloud-init inside the master node failed first at "Failed running /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/part-004" | 18:55 |
| imdigitaljim | oh ok i misunderstood sorry! | 18:55 |
| flwang1 | you can run it manually to verify | 18:55 |
| georgem1 | which should create "/etc/kubernetes/kube_openstack_config" and indeed it didn't exist | 18:55 |
| imdigitaljim | flwang1: we really should put -x on all the scripts | 18:55 |
| georgem1 | but if I run the script "/var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/part-004' manually, the "/etc/kubernetes/kube_openstack_config" gets created just fine | 18:55 |
| flwang1 | imdigitaljim: and enough logs for those scripts | 18:56 |
| georgem1 | so I'm not sure what's the problem | 18:56 |
| georgem1 | do you have a working magnum config that I can look at? sanitized? | 18:56 |
| flwang1 | georgem1: then i would suggest change the script before you deploy any cluster | 18:56 |
| flwang1 | add +x and enough logs you want to check | 18:56 |
| flwang1 | such as the user, group, etc | 18:56 |
| flwang1 | georgem1: currently, the devstack is very stable, you can install a devstack env to compare | 18:57 |
| georgem1 | I have a feeling something is wrong in my config, the only instructions I found and used were for Ocata | 18:57 |
| georgem1 | sure, I can do do that | 18:58 |
| georgem1 | thanks for the tip | 18:58 |
| georgem1 | do you have a local.conf for it? with all the dependencies ? | 18:58 |
| flwang1 | georgem1: this is a typical magnum.conf installed by devstack http://paste.openstack.org/show/724052/ | 18:58 |
| flwang1 | georgem1: you want a local.conf? | 18:59 |
| georgem1 | sure, if you have one handy | 18:59 |
| georgem1 | the magnum.conf you sent should at least confirm if my config is sane, thanks for it | 19:00 |
| flwang1 | georgem1: http://paste.openstack.org/show/724053/ | 19:00 |
| flwang1 | no problem, happy to help | 19:01 |
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