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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/magnum-ui master: Add Apple OS X ".DS_Store" to ".gitignore" file https://review.openstack.org/581652 | 06:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | ziyu proposed openstack/magnum-ui master: Modify the 'tox.ini' file https://review.openstack.org/583123 | 07:21 |
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| flwang1 | strigazi: do we have meeting today? | 08:54 |
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| strigazi | flwang1: yes | 09:05 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: ok, cool | 09:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Rocha proposed openstack/python-magnumclient master: [k8s] Include cluster certificates in config https://review.openstack.org/582955 | 09:58 |
| strigazi | ##startmeeting containers | 10:00 |
| strigazi | #startmeeting containers | 10:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 17 10:00:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is strigazi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 10:00 |
| strigazi | #topic Roll Call | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 10:00 | |
| strigazi | o/ | 10:00 |
| flwang1 | o/ | 10:01 |
| strigazi | It is the two of us then, let's do it quickly | 10:02 |
| flwang1 | ok | 10:02 |
| sfilatov | o/ | 10:02 |
| strigazi | hey sfilatov | 10:03 |
| sfilatov | I'm here to discuss deletion :) | 10:03 |
| strigazi | #topic Blueprints/Bugs/Ideas | 10:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints/Bugs/Ideas (Meeting topic: containers)" | 10:03 | |
| strigazi | Test v1.11.0 images | 10:03 |
| strigazi | #link https://hub.docker.com/r/openstackmagnum/kubernetes-kubelet/tags/ | 10:03 |
| strigazi | conformance tests are passing for me | 10:03 |
| flwang1 | nice nice | 10:04 |
| strigazi | Note: you must use cgroupfs as cgroup_driver | 10:04 |
| flwang1 | so are we going to bump k8s version for rocky to 1.11.0? | 10:04 |
| strigazi | with systemd the node is ready, but it cannot schedule pods | 10:04 |
| brtknr | o/ | 10:04 |
| strigazi | flwang1: I think yes, it is better | 10:05 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: then we need to document it somewhere | 10:05 |
| strigazi | of course | 10:05 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: cool, i can do that | 10:05 |
| strigazi | but we need to test it first :) | 10:05 |
| strigazi | not only me :) | 10:05 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: sure, when i say i can do that, i mean i will test it | 10:05 |
| flwang1 | and if it works for me, i will propose a patch and add doc | 10:06 |
| strigazi | btw I'm still evaluating the gcr.io hyperkube containers vs a fedora based one | 10:06 |
| flwang1 | any benefit using hyperkube? | 10:07 |
| strigazi | we don't build kubernetes at all we just package the hyperkube container | 10:07 |
| strigazi | but | 10:07 |
| strigazi | hyperkube is based on debian, incompatibilities may occur | 10:08 |
| strigazi | I'll push two patches for the two ways to build | 10:08 |
| flwang1 | hmm... | 10:09 |
| flwang1 | ok | 10:09 |
| strigazi | to build the rpms is trivial like: git clone kube && bazel build ./build/rpms | 10:09 |
| strigazi | like this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/726097/ | 10:10 |
| flwang1 | nice | 10:11 |
| strigazi | bazel is a black box for me, but seems to work pretty well and pretty fast | 10:12 |
| strigazi | we can take this offile | 10:12 |
| strigazi | we can take this offline | 10:12 |
| strigazi | next: | 10:12 |
| strigazi | this is a trivial change after all: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582506/ | 10:13 |
| strigazi | Resolve stack outputs only on COMPLETE | 10:13 |
| strigazi | but I expect to help a lot when magnum poll heat | 10:13 |
| strigazi | in devstack you can not see it, but in big stack will make a difference | 10:14 |
| strigazi | are you looking? should I move one? | 10:14 |
| sfilatov | + from me | 10:15 |
| flwang1 | that looks good for me | 10:15 |
| strigazi | next is the keypair issue and scaling | 10:15 |
| flwang1 | though i may need to take a look at the resolve_outputs param | 10:15 |
| strigazi | flwang1: there is a show_params api | 10:16 |
| flwang1 | cool | 10:16 |
| strigazi | flwang1: resolve_outputs says to heat to not bother with the outputs of the stack | 10:16 |
| flwang1 | and outputs means more api calls in heat i guess? | 10:17 |
| flwang1 | to other services | 10:17 |
| strigazi | flwang1: even during stack creation heat will though all server to get the ips | 10:17 |
| strigazi | flwang1: it means more load on the engine | 10:17 |
| flwang1 | right, matching what i thought | 10:17 |
| flwang1 | all good | 10:17 |
| strigazi | flwang1: and it means slow api response | 10:17 |
| strigazi | flwang1: normally I have 250ms response time | 10:18 |
| strigazi | flwang1: with a 50 node cluster in progress, any api call goes to 15 seconds | 10:18 |
| flwang1 | omg | 10:19 |
| strigazi | flwang1: all magnum nodes hit all heat api eventually with the same request and the apis block | 10:19 |
| strigazi | but | 10:19 |
| strigazi | if you create the stack with the heat api and magnum is not hammering, all good | 10:20 |
| strigazi | without output resolve the stack get call is a simple lookup | 10:20 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: thanks for the clarification | 10:20 |
| strigazi | I created a 500 node cluster 2 weeks ago and immediatly I stop magnum from hitting heat, everything was smooth | 10:21 |
| strigazi | next, keypair | 10:21 |
| strigazi | keypair is an OS resource that it cannot be shared in a project | 10:22 |
| strigazi | and a cluster owns let's say a key | 10:22 |
| strigazi | admin can't do stack update or other members | 10:23 |
| strigazi | with this patch: | 10:23 |
| strigazi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/582880/ | 10:23 |
| strigazi | users can do a stack update freely | 10:23 |
| strigazi | with these params in heat: | 10:23 |
| strigazi | deferred_auth_method = trusts | 10:23 |
| strigazi | reauthentication_auth_method = trusts | 10:23 |
| strigazi | all good so far but | 10:24 |
| strigazi | if the user is deleted its trust is deleted so the stack can not be touched again | 10:24 |
| strigazi | afaik only solution: pass the key in user_data and not as a keypair in nova | 10:25 |
| strigazi | thoughts? | 10:25 |
| brtknr | How does it allow other users to make changes? it is not immediately obvious to me | 10:25 |
| brtknr | looking at the patch | 10:25 |
| strigazi | brtknr the keypair is created on cluster creation | 10:26 |
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| flwang1 | so instead of using the original user's public key, we just generate a common one for everybody? | 10:26 |
| strigazi | brtknr: and authtication is done using the trust, so userB will authenticate behind the scenes with the trust of userA | 10:27 |
| strigazi | flwang1 the thing is that there is no such thing as common jey | 10:27 |
| strigazi | flwang1 the thing is that there is no such thing as common key | 10:27 |
| strigazi | the key is only visible by the creator | 10:27 |
| brtknr | how does userA enable trust for userB? I suppose this has to be set somewhere? | 10:28 |
| flwang1 | can't we just generate one and 'share' it to all users in the tenant? | 10:28 |
| strigazi | flwang1 impossible in nova | 10:28 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: ok | 10:28 |
| sfilatov | flwang1: can we share nova keys | 10:28 |
| sfilatov | y | 10:28 |
| strigazi | brtknr: heat does this | 10:28 |
| strigazi | sfilatov: no we can't | 10:28 |
| strigazi | sfilatov: https://docs.openstack.org/horizon/pike/user/configure-access-and-security-for-instances.html | 10:29 |
| strigazi | A key pair belongs to an individual user, not to a project. To share a key pair across multiple users, each user needs to import that key pair. | 10:30 |
| strigazi | that is not correctly expressed | 10:30 |
| strigazi | it means all users must import the same public_key | 10:30 |
| sfilatov | strigazi: yep, so we can't do it natively | 10:31 |
| strigazi | we can simulate the shared key with heat using the trust | 10:31 |
| strigazi | but as I said if the user is deleted the trust is gone | 10:31 |
| brtknr | hmm | 10:32 |
| brtknr | would be nice to set group priviledge | 10:32 |
| brtknr | e.g any user in admin group can modify the cluster | 10:33 |
| strigazi | I don't think it is possible | 10:33 |
| brtknr | but this is certainly the next best thing | 10:33 |
| strigazi | brtknr: and it is not only desirable for admins | 10:34 |
| strigazi | brtknr: in private clouds you have shared resources | 10:34 |
| strigazi | in public too, but not as much as in private | 10:34 |
| strigazi | and as I mentioned passing the key in user data will work in all cases. | 10:34 |
| strigazi | does this sound bad to you ^^ | 10:35 |
| brtknr | how does it limit who is allowed to make changes to the cluster or not? | 10:36 |
| brtknr | or is it not limited at all? | 10:36 |
| strigazi | it does not | 10:36 |
| brtknr | sounds a little worrying lol | 10:37 |
| brtknr | how about a heat parameter that is a list of users that are allowed to make change | 10:38 |
| brtknr | or we assume that anyone in the project is allowed to make changes | 10:38 |
| strigazi | you know about this right? https://github.com/strigazi.keys | 10:39 |
| strigazi | let's take this offline, I need to explain the problem more I guess | 10:39 |
| strigazi | it is a limitation of nova | 10:39 |
| strigazi | not magnum or heat | 10:39 |
| sfilatov | Let's talk about k8s loadbalancer deletions then | 10:40 |
| strigazi | I have one more thing for upgrades, sorry | 10:40 |
| sfilatov | sure | 10:40 |
| strigazi | For the past weeks, I'm trying to drain nodes before rebuilding them | 10:41 |
| strigazi | The issue is that this api call must be executed before every node rebuild | 10:41 |
| strigazi | so it must be in the heat workflow | 10:42 |
| strigazi | otherwise heat is not managing the status | 10:42 |
| strigazi | of the infrastructure anymore | 10:42 |
| strigazi | I'm trying this pattern so far: http://paste.openstack.org/show/726098/ | 10:43 |
| strigazi | with no success so far | 10:43 |
| strigazi | I'm thinking of putting the workflow in the master or in magnum | 10:44 |
| sfilatov | And btw is draining the node the only roght way to do this? Are there issues behind upgrading in-place? | 10:45 |
| sfilatov | downtime? | 10:45 |
| strigazi | in-place there is no such problem | 10:45 |
| sfilatov | yes, but the workflow you consider is about draining and rebuilding the nodes | 10:46 |
| strigazi | but it means, the OS must support upgrades in place and if you have upgraded a few times | 10:46 |
| flwang1 | can you remind me the limition of in-place upgrade? | 10:46 |
| strigazi | thinks will go wrong | 10:46 |
| strigazi | s/thinks/things/ | 10:46 |
| strigazi | 1. GKE and cluster-api are not doing in-place | 10:47 |
| strigazi | 2. upgrading a OS in-place is not an atomic operation | 10:47 |
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| strigazi | rebuild works even in ironic | 10:48 |
| strigazi | the suggested way from lifecycle sig is replace | 10:49 |
| strigazi | only master nodes in-place | 10:49 |
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| sfilatov_ | sry, I'm back | 10:50 |
| strigazi | flwang1: sfilatov_ thoughts? | 10:50 |
| sfilatov_ | I don't see the history since I reconnected | 10:50 |
| strigazi | < flwang1> can you remind me the limition of in-place upgrade? | 10:51 |
| sfilatov_ | strigazi: could copy and paste it pls | 10:51 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: fair enough | 10:51 |
| strigazi | 1. GKE and cluster-api are not doing in-place | 10:51 |
| strigazi | 2. upgrading a OS in-place is not an atomic operation | 10:51 |
| strigazi | rebuild works even in ironic | 10:51 |
| strigazi | the suggested way from lifecycle sig is replace | 10:51 |
| strigazi | only master nodes in-place | 10:51 |
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| strigazi | with multimaster you can even replace masters one by one with no downtime | 10:52 |
| sfilatov_ | strigazi: what you mean by upgrading OS | 10:52 |
| strigazi | kernel verionN to kernel versionN+1 | 10:53 |
| sfilatov_ | ok, got it | 10:53 |
| strigazi | have you ever upgraded docker? it is so nice | 10:53 |
| strigazi | but mostly the kernel | 10:53 |
| sfilatov_ | strigazi: that's true | 10:54 |
| sfilatov_ | strigazi: are you considering rebuilding masters as well? | 10:54 |
| strigazi | yes, with a param | 10:54 |
| sfilatov_ | strigazi: looks like we have more or less the same issues with this | 10:54 |
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| sfilatov_ | strigazi: I agree then. I llooked through API in the upgrade patch | 10:55 |
| sfilatov_ | strigazi: and it seems we need nodegroups implemented | 10:55 |
| strigazi | let's move this to gerrit then | 10:55 |
| sfilatov_ | ok | 10:55 |
| strigazi | sfilatov_: about delete? | 10:55 |
| sfilatov_ | yes | 10:56 |
| strigazi | what is the issue? | 10:56 |
| strigazi | I mean, I know the issue | 10:56 |
| strigazi | what is the solution(s) | 10:56 |
| sfilatov_ | I have almost prepared a patch with software deployments for deletions | 10:56 |
| strigazi | with an on-delete SD? | 10:56 |
| sfilatov_ | yes | 10:56 |
| strigazi | push | 10:56 |
| sfilatov_ | I'd like to discuss 2 issues | 10:57 |
| strigazi | shoot :) | 10:57 |
| sfilatov_ | We still need to wait for LB in neutron | 10:57 |
| sfilatov_ | since cloud provider does not support waiting for LB delettion | 10:57 |
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| sfilatov_ | we can't wait using kubectl | 10:57 |
| strigazi | hmm, that is not nice | 10:58 |
| strigazi | flwang1: maybe kong has some input for this? | 10:58 |
| flwang1 | how do you wait for LB in neutron? | 10:58 |
| strigazi | you ask the api I imagine | 10:58 |
| sfilatov_ | you get the LB with the name | 10:58 |
| sfilatov_ | yes | 10:58 |
| sfilatov_ | since you know LB name = 'a' + k8s svc id | 10:58 |
| sfilatov_ | but it's not really nice | 10:59 |
| flwang1 | and polling neutron api to see if it's still there? | 10:59 |
| sfilatov_ | yep | 10:59 |
| flwang1 | hmm... | 10:59 |
| sfilatov_ | we can fix this via cloud provider | 10:59 |
| strigazi | 1. must be solved in the cloud-provider | 10:59 |
| strigazi | 2. polling as a work around | 11:00 |
| sfilatov_ | got it | 11:00 |
| strigazi | lgty? | 11:00 |
| strigazi | flwang1: ^^ | 11:00 |
| flwang1 | i'm ok with that | 11:00 |
| sfilatov_ | the other issue | 11:00 |
| sfilatov_ | what if the user stopped vms | 11:00 |
| sfilatov_ | basically - shutdown | 11:00 |
| sfilatov_ | I have faces the issue | 11:00 |
| strigazi | why? I dont get it | 11:00 |
| sfilatov_ | and there is nothing I can do about it | 11:01 |
| sfilatov_ | vms are shutdown | 11:01 |
| sfilatov_ | and k8s api is not available | 11:01 |
| sfilatov_ | so when delete is triggered we can delete the resources | 11:01 |
| sfilatov_ | can't * | 11:01 |
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| flwang1 | hmm... i'm wondering if magnum should take care such a corner case | 11:02 |
| strigazi | there is no solution for this | 11:02 |
| strigazi | only what flwang1 said | 11:02 |
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| strigazi | if we do it for the corner case though | 11:03 |
| flwang1 | for this case, user need open a support ticket to ops | 11:03 |
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| flwang1 | and get it removed :D | 11:03 |
| strigazi | or he can remove it manually | 11:03 |
| flwang1 | to avoid magnum ops too boring | 11:03 |
| sfilatov_ | there's a way | 11:03 |
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| sfilatov_ | to solve all the issues | 11:03 |
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| flwang1 | i even don't think magnum should just bravely delete a cluster and everything on the cluster | 11:04 |
| sfilatov_ | if we add cluster_id to lb metadata | 11:04 |
| flwang1 | sfilatov_: Lingxian kong is working on that | 11:04 |
| strigazi | and then? | 11:04 |
| sfilatov_ | and delete lb based on their metadata | 11:04 |
| sfilatov_ | in this case we don't need to access k8s API | 11:05 |
| flwang1 | that's the current solution | 11:05 |
| strigazi | is there anything stopping us from doing this now? | 11:05 |
| sfilatov_ | we need to patch cloud provider | 11:05 |
| strigazi | flwang1: Lingxian's patch is not in? | 11:06 |
| flwang1 | https://github.com/kubernetes/cloud-provider-openstack/pull/223 | 11:06 |
| flwang1 | they're just putting the cluster name in lb description | 11:07 |
| flwang1 | so we're ok to go with current way i think | 11:07 |
| sfilatov_ | so there's no need for my patch? | 11:08 |
| flwang1 | i guess so? | 11:08 |
| sfilatov_ | with software deployment | 11:08 |
| flwang1 | if you're happy with this way | 11:08 |
| strigazi | we still need a patch | 11:08 |
| strigazi | in magnum | 11:08 |
| flwang1 | i can propose a new patch set on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497144/ | 11:08 |
| flwang1 | to check the cluster name | 11:09 |
| flwang1 | then we should be ok | 11:09 |
| strigazi | uuid is better I guess | 11:09 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: i think so, there is probably limition, i will check with CPO team | 11:10 |
| strigazi | folks anything else? we are 10mins late and I'm 10 mins late for another meeting | 11:10 |
| strigazi | flwang1: it accepts a string | 11:10 |
| flwang1 | good for me | 11:10 |
| strigazi | flwang1: it can be anything | 11:10 |
| flwang1 | i mean CPO maybe hard to get the UUID of magnum's cluster | 11:10 |
| strigazi | flwang1: it looks like a generic parameter to me, let's see | 11:11 |
| flwang1 | unless we pass it to somewhere so that CPO can easily get it, just my guess | 11:11 |
| flwang1 | need to check with the author | 11:11 |
| strigazi | cool | 11:11 |
| strigazi | sfilatov_: anything else? | 11:11 |
| flwang1 | strigazi: i think you're good to go ;) | 11:12 |
| strigazi | let's wrap this then | 11:12 |
| strigazi | thanks flwang1 sfilatov_ and brtknr | 11:12 |
| strigazi | #endmeeting | 11:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Containers Team" | 11:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 17 11:12:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2018/containers.2018-07-17-10.00.html | 11:12 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2018/containers.2018-07-17-10.00.txt | 11:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2018/containers.2018-07-17-10.00.log.html | 11:13 |
| flwang1 | thank you | 11:13 |
| brtknr | thanks guys | 11:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrei Ozerov proposed openstack/magnum master: Trustee: provide region_name to auth_url searching https://review.openstack.org/582947 | 17:17 |
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