| mnasiadka | I guess no one for the meeting today? | 12:50 |
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| opendevreview | Michal Nasiadka proposed openstack/magnum master: CI: Add grenade jobs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum/+/988208 | 12:56 |
| jakeyip_ | hi | 12:58 |
| mnasiadka | Ok, there’s jakeyip_ for the meeting | 12:59 |
| mnasiadka | There’s a chance I won’t be speaking to myself today :) | 12:59 |
| jakeyip_ | :) | 13:00 |
| mnasiadka | Let’s try | 13:02 |
| mnasiadka | #startmeeting magnum | 13:02 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Jun 16 13:02:57 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mnasiadka. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'magnum' | 13:02 |
| mnasiadka | #topic rollcall | 13:03 |
| mnasiadka | o/ | 13:03 |
| jakeyip_ | o/ | 13:03 |
| mnasiadka | I assume no one else will be here | 13:04 |
| mnasiadka | #topic Ongoing reviews | 13:04 |
| mnasiadka | So, after me breaking openstack calls for all drivers we decided to do cluster_id instead of stack_id | 13:05 |
| mnasiadka | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum/+/989328 | 13:05 |
| mnasiadka | I need to do the magnum client part, but that should be nearly good to go | 13:05 |
| jakeyip_ | ok I will take a look at that | 13:06 |
| mnasiadka | thanks | 13:06 |
| mnasiadka | I also merged this stack to make things better after recent keystone CVEs (with the help of Sam and Matt - thanks for reviews) | 13:07 |
| mnasiadka | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum/+/990613/3 | 13:07 |
| mnasiadka | I assume we should backport that to 2025.2 and 2025.1 | 13:07 |
| mnasiadka | And use that in magnum-capi-helm | 13:07 |
| mnasiadka | Regarding openstacksdk breakage - ricolin has posted this stack, but tempest jobs running with mcapi never passed - so I’m sort of waiting for him to pick this up | 13:08 |
| mnasiadka | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum/+/989082 | 13:08 |
| mnasiadka | And I think that’s all from review department for now | 13:09 |
| jakeyip_ | TBH app cred has never worked for me but I didn't figure out why | 13:09 |
| mnasiadka | We have customers using unrestricted app creds and that worked | 13:09 |
| mnasiadka | But stopped after the recent keystone CVE patches | 13:09 |
| mnasiadka | So the stable only patches are an attempt to make things sane again | 13:09 |
| jakeyip_ | yeah ok I guess I was using restricted | 13:10 |
| mnasiadka | Ah, and there’s the docs rework after Heat is gone | 13:10 |
| mnasiadka | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum/+/988749 | 13:10 |
| mnasiadka | I’m not happy how that looks to be honest | 13:10 |
| mnasiadka | But it’s still better than what we have today | 13:10 |
| jakeyip_ | did you do that manually or? | 13:11 |
| mnasiadka | Mostly manually, with some LLM help | 13:11 |
| mnasiadka | Magnum-capi-helm now has auto docs for labels, so that documentation should live in the drivers | 13:11 |
| jakeyip_ | that's a lot of change | 13:12 |
| mnasiadka | Well, we had a lot of cruft in docs | 13:12 |
| mnasiadka | I also plan to move the client docs to the client and just reference it | 13:12 |
| mnasiadka | So it would be nice if somebody would lay out his thoughts there as well | 13:13 |
| jakeyip_ | so ... this isn't anything against your change. I just found it weird that there are so much dev detail in 'user' doc. what do you think? | 13:13 |
| mnasiadka | Yeah, frankly speaking I would be happy if we just drop the docs except how to install Magnum | 13:13 |
| mnasiadka | And start from sort of scratch to make it better | 13:13 |
| mnasiadka | And maybe create a reference driver, that doesn’t do anything, just for documenting required python methods that the driver needs to support | 13:14 |
| jakeyip_ | yeah that was my intention, I spend a long time trying to figure out what to keep but realise it's futile | 13:14 |
| jakeyip_ | i keep reading and can't decide what needs to be kept | 13:15 |
| jakeyip_ | starting from scratch may be the best | 13:15 |
| jakeyip_ | i like kolla-ansible docs :) we should get those guys to teach us | 13:15 |
| mnasiadka | Kolla-ansible guys think their docs are crap, but maybe they are not :) | 13:16 |
| mnasiadka | Ok, starting from scratch sounds feasible, I’ll rework the patch to scratch everything and make a stack with small docs changes that improve things | 13:16 |
| mnasiadka | And we can collaborate on that | 13:16 |
| jakeyip_ | :) well they got 'User' and 'Reference' part right | 13:16 |
| mnasiadka | True | 13:16 |
| jakeyip_ | in Magnum most of the 'User' things sounds mroe like 'Reference' to me | 13:17 |
| mnasiadka | Most probably, I’ll try to analyse how to make User, Reference and Install docs right | 13:17 |
| mnasiadka | And just take the scorched earth approach... | 13:17 |
| jakeyip_ | In previous vPTG (?) I asked if it is ok to move everything away and start from scratch and feedback was ok | 13:18 |
| mnasiadka | I probably missed that | 13:19 |
| jakeyip_ | we could just move to 'Archive' section and build fresh User | 13:19 |
| mnasiadka | #agreed to move everything to Archive section in the docs and then start everything else sort of from scratch | 13:19 |
| mnasiadka | Good idea | 13:19 |
| mnasiadka | Ok then, there’s the next section of the meeting | 13:19 |
| mnasiadka | #topic Proposals | 13:19 |
| mnasiadka | So - I’m sort of going towards the concept that we should be supporting auto deploying CAPI mgmt clusters with a very small kubeadm driver that could be the reference driver | 13:20 |
| mnasiadka | Because I’d like to work on a kamaji based driver in the future (control plane runs in CAPI mgmt cluster) | 13:20 |
| mnasiadka | I’ll post some specs and we can discuss on them | 13:21 |
| mnasiadka | Anybody opposes? | 13:21 |
| jakeyip_ | I'm not familar with kamaji so I'll need to read up on that | 13:22 |
| jakeyip_ | look forward to your spec | 13:23 |
| mnasiadka | Ok then, agreed ;) | 13:27 |
| mnasiadka | #topic Open discussion | 13:27 |
| jakeyip_ | mnasiadka: I've got a question - what's the status of TC work on DB charset? | 13:27 |
| mnasiadka | I think that got stalled | 13:27 |
| mnasiadka | noonedeadpunk: what’s the status? | 13:27 |
| mnasiadka | He’ll probably respond later :) | 13:28 |
| jakeyip_ | hah ok | 13:29 |
| mnasiadka | But I agree it would be good to move forward with this | 13:30 |
| jakeyip_ | nothing else from me | 13:30 |
| mnasiadka | And nothing else from me | 13:31 |
| mnasiadka | Thanks for coming jakeyip_ :) | 13:31 |
| mnasiadka | #endmeeting | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Jun 16 13:31:27 2026 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/magnum/2026/magnum.2026-06-16-13.02.html | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/magnum/2026/magnum.2026-06-16-13.02.txt | 13:31 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/magnum/2026/magnum.2026-06-16-13.02.log.html | 13:31 |
| noonedeadpunk | eh, good question about charset.... | 13:39 |
| noonedeadpunk | it's me to blame for no progress there | 13:39 |
| noonedeadpunk | have /o\ with internal workload for a while now | 13:40 |
| mnasiadka | noonedeadpunk: what needs to be done? A goal proposed? | 15:29 |
| noonedeadpunk | yeah, but also I lacked mental cycles to think what exactly would be a good and achivable goal | 15:35 |
| noonedeadpunk | like part of that was to ensure all projects have charset defined in their migrations | 15:35 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/magnum-ui master: Update packaging configuration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum-ui/+/987209 | 16:45 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/magnum-ui master: Update packaging configuration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum-ui/+/987209 | 16:45 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/magnum-ui master: Update packaging configuration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/magnum-ui/+/987209 | 17:21 |
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