Wednesday, 2015-06-03

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openstackgerritRob Hirschfeld proposed openstack/defcore: Update Schema for 1.3 (instead of 2.0!)  https://review.openstack.org/18515805:10
openstackgerritRob Hirschfeld proposed openstack/defcore: Update Schema for 1.3 (instead of 2.0!)  https://review.openstack.org/18515805:13
zehicle_IRLI've updated the v1.3 schema https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185158/305:15
zehicle_IRLthe update includes changes to the README and HACKING as pre Mark's good suggestions05:15
zehicle_IRLI also caught some minor errors and corrected them in the schema.05:15
zehicle_IRLif possible, please review in advance of the meeting05:16
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openstackgerritRob Hirschfeld proposed openstack/defcore: Update Schema for 1.3 (instead of 2.0!)  https://review.openstack.org/18515814:53
zehicle_IRLmarkvoelker, lots of good suggestions14:55
zehicle_IRLI think I got all of them - mostly as suggested.14:56
zehicle_IRLwe're meeting on #openstack-meeting-4? or 3?14:57
markvoelker#openstack-meeting-414:58
zehicle_IRL#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.214:58
markvoelkerI'll check out that patch this afternoon, thanks!14:58
markvoelkerzehicle_IRL: handy meetbot reference if you need it: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#user-reference14:59
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zehicle_IRLmeeting started15:06
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hogepodgemarkvoelker: so the sha vs hash thing16:00
hogepodgesha vs is thing16:00
hogepodgesha vs id thing (typing not working this morning)16:00
markvoelkerhogepodge: moar coffee =p16:01
markvoelkerSo, basically my concern is just that 1.) the field name is unclear and 2.) it sorta feels like a SHA would be a more universal approach if we expect that we'll ever integrate non-tempest tests (which is the current trajectory)16:02
markvoelkerFor 1.) I just want it to be easy for folks trying to run tests to grock.  If we're going to use a sha, let's call it a git-sha; if we're going to use a tag, let's call it a git-tag.16:03
markvoelkerFor 2.) I'm open to dicussion as right now all the tests we're considering (that I know of) are in project trees or Tempest (or moving from one to the other) and those generally use tags....16:03
markvoelker...but with the big tent governance changes and Tempest decomposition I don't think we can necessarily count on tags to be used the same way across projects.16:04
zehicle_IRLput summary in the etherpad (feel free to edit)...16:06
zehicle_IRL## Summary16:06
zehicle_IRL* First IRC meeting!16:06
zehicle_IRL* Plan for mid-cycle meetup (discuss agenda, location and timing)16:06
zehicle_IRL* Discuss v1.3 schema change (will close in 48 hours)16:06
zehicle_IRL* Plan to subdivide capabilities in .next json16:06
zehicle_IRL* Kick off "when to flag tests" discussion - will submit patch with ideas16:06
zehicle_IRL* Start long term discussion about adding Interop focused tests16:06
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markvoelkerzehicle_IRL: I also stuck links in the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/DefCoreCommittee#Meetings16:09
zehicle_IRLcool, thanks'16:09
zehicle_IRLI pulled over the agenda for the next meeting16:09
eglutethank you zehicle_IRL ! I think the meeting was good16:14
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markvoelkerzehicle_IRL: eglute: one suggestion about IRC meetings...I've generally found that this medium lends itself best to situations where proposals are made beforehand16:18
markvoelker(a patch in gerrit, a doc circulated on the ML, etc)16:18
markvoelkerAnd then get discussed during the IRC meeting.  Might want to encourage that going forward.16:18
eglutemarkvoelker good point. i think this is a first irc meeting where i actually participated16:18
egluteso any suggestions welcome16:19
markvoelkerAlso allows us to put links in the agenda so folks can come in prepared16:19
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zehicle_IRLbuilding agenda on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.316:38
markvoelkerzehicle_IRL: eglute: Oh, FYI I may or may not be around for next week's meeting. Likely on a beach somewhere. =) Will get my AI's in before then.16:46
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markvoelkerzehicle_IRL: saw a couple of things that were missed in the 1.3 schema change still....I think you said in the meeting that you'd prefer I just submit a new changeset?  If so I'll do so shortly.  Nothing major.17:42
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hogepodgemarkvoelker: sorry, I stepped away18:41
hogepodgeMy feeling is that we should admit anything where "git checkout <id>" works. Whatever is appropriate. So, if we want a tag, fine. SHA, fine. Branch, fine. All of the decisions are vetted, and work.18:43
hogepodgeId is the best name, because that's what it is (unless we constrain it to be something like sha-only)18:43
hogepodgeAs a user, I'd like to be able to type "git checkout 4", rather than copy paste, but most are going to be pulling from head anyway, so it's no big deal to me and not a point I'm stuck on18:45
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markvoelkerhogepodge: OK, I see your point.  That makes sense to me, although I'm a little wary that only one thing of those three is immutable (a SHA...branches and tags can be changed).18:55
hogepodgemarkvoelker: that's the strongest point to me18:56
markvoelkerI was a little confused by Rob's comment that it wasn't tag...sounds like it's intended that it *could* be a tag, or something else.18:56
hogepodgemarkvoelker: I'm happy to change to git-sha (or other appropriate name)18:57
markvoelkerI still kind of prefer a SHA since that way we know exactly what we're telling people to use....but realistically I'll concede that I'd be pretty surprised if a project moved a tag.18:57
markvoelker(or a branch)18:57
markvoelkerBranches I'm still unfortable with since they may change over time with additional commits, and therefore what we having people run may not be what we originally thought.18:58
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openstackgerritMark T. Voelker proposed openstack/defcore: Update Schema for 1.3 (instead of 2.0!)  https://review.openstack.org/18515821:41
openstackgerritMark T. Voelker proposed openstack/defcore: Update Schema for 1.3 (instead of 2.0!)  https://review.openstack.org/18515823:10
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