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| openstackgerrit | Mark T. Voelker proposed openstack/defcore: Create first Interop Issues Report https://review.openstack.org/354528 | 13:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark T. Voelker proposed openstack/defcore: Create 2016.08 Guideline from next.json https://review.openstack.org/351339 | 13:32 |
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| topol | #startmeeting interop_challenge | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 14:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is topol. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interop_challenge' | 14:00 |
| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 14:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 14:00 |
| gema | o/ | 14:00 |
| topol | Hi everyone, who is here for the interop challenge meeting today? | 14:00 |
| rohit404 | o/ | 14:00 |
| tongli | o/ | 14:00 |
| topol | The agenda for today can be found at: | 14:00 |
| topol | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Interop_Challenge#Meeting_Information | 14:01 |
| topol | In case we need to take notes, the etherpad for this meeting can be found here | 14:01 |
| topol | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2016-08-17 | 14:01 |
| topol | #topic review action items from previous meeting | 14:01 |
| topol | #link | 14:02 |
| topol | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2016/interop_challenge.2016-08-10-14.00.html | 14:02 |
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| leong | o/ | 14:03 |
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| topol | Have folks added which version of OpenStack they plan to interop? | 14:03 |
| kei | o/ | 14:03 |
| topol | tongli, shamail, where folks supposed to put this? | 14:03 |
| gema | where do we add that? | 14:03 |
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| tongli | @topol, I would say put in the etherpad, then put in the summary after. | 14:04 |
| topol | tongli, that works. for now folks can add it to the bottom of the etherpad for todays meeting | 14:05 |
| * markvoelker notes that in the 8/3 meeting some folks reported plans to use Mitaka and Kilo (see line 35 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2016-08-03#35 ) | 14:05 | |
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| topol | tongli can you gather all this up and then put somewhere? Separate etherpad for it perhaps??? | 14:05 |
| tongli | @topol, let's just use this etherpad. too many links probably not good. | 14:06 |
| topol | Also it looks like in last weeks meeting everyone agreed to start with LAMPStack | 14:07 |
| tongli | @topol, I put it at the end of today's etherpad. | 14:07 |
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| tongli | @topol, we voted using ansible. | 14:07 |
| topol | tongli, thats fine just gather up from last weeks etherpad so its all inone place | 14:07 |
| tongli | the lampstack ansible has been merged. | 14:07 |
| topol | tongli Yay! That was my next item to review. | 14:07 |
| tongli | can other folks put your preferred test OS release in the etherpad, please! | 14:08 |
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| topol | #action other folks put your preferred test OS release in the etherpad, please! | 14:08 |
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| tongli | @markvoelker, can you put your releases on the etherpad. | 14:09 |
| topol | Thanks for the quick reviews and merge of LAMPStack | 14:09 |
| markvoelker | tongli: already did | 14:09 |
| tongli | @markvoelker, thanks. | 14:09 |
| topol | Did everyone look at the results template? Any concerns with that? | 14:09 |
| topol | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/553587/ | 14:10 |
| tongli | @topol, we had discussion, and generally agree with the content. | 14:10 |
| topol | K cool. | 14:10 |
| topol | #agree Folks like the results template | 14:10 |
| tongli | I think that the question is how often we run the test against each cloud | 14:11 |
| leong | Maybe add an affiliate/company? | 14:11 |
| topol | leong good idea | 14:11 |
| gema | yep and we'll need to agree on what running successfully means | 14:11 |
| gema | other than that I am also good | 14:11 |
| tongli | seems to me Mark wants to produce just one report per test per cloud, is that right? @markvoelker | 14:11 |
| topol | #action shamail to add affiliate/company to the results template | 14:12 |
| markvoelker | tongli: Well, Barcelona is about 69 days away. I think a good start would be for vendors to show a result for their products that are on the market now and that consumers can actually get today | 14:12 |
| topol | @markvoelker, that sounds good to me | 14:12 |
| markvoelker | There's not likely to be tremendous churn in those products in the next 69 days, so I'm not sure multiple runs really tells us much. | 14:12 |
| topol | @markvoelker +++ | 14:13 |
| tongli | @markvoelker, ok, fine. | 14:13 |
| markvoelker | E.g. even if VendorX releases some maintenance patches for their Liberty distro, it seems relatively unlikely to break the workload. | 14:13 |
| Rockyg | good point, markvoelker | 14:13 |
| topol | #agree Folks should produce one report per cloud | 14:13 |
| tongli | I would like to ask if it is all possible that vendors create a test account for me, and I can run against each cloud. | 14:13 |
| gema | tongli: are you volunteering to run the workloads instead of us running them independently? :D | 14:14 |
| catherine_d|1 | The first test category is RefStack test ... At the minimum, all participants should collect RefStack test data now | 14:14 |
| topol | yes, so tongli is available to anyone that needs help and he is eager to run tests | 14:14 |
| tongli | @gema, yes. I am | 14:14 |
| gema | tongli: you got it :D | 14:14 |
| gema | tongli: thanks! | 14:14 |
| topol | @gema we are here to serve :-) | 14:15 |
| gema | topol: :D | 14:15 |
| tongli | if that is ok, please send me the credentials to my email , I put the email in the etherpad. | 14:15 |
| gema | tongli: as soon as the cloud is up will do :D | 14:15 |
| topol | #action if folks want tongli to help run tests on their cloud, get him an account | 14:15 |
| catherine_d|1 | gema: does it make sense for someone else to run the tests? Some clouds maybe private.. | 14:15 |
| gema | catherine_d|1: our cloud is going to be public and a developer cloud, so I am happy for him to try | 14:16 |
| topol | catherine_d, either way, as long as test get run | 14:16 |
| gema | catherine_d|1: I will also try and it will be interesting to compare | 14:16 |
| topol | gema thats awesome | 14:16 |
| topol | okay, new topic | 14:16 |
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| Rockyg | question -- creds and tongli doing tests will only work on public clouds... what about distros without a public cloud? | 14:16 |
| gema | Rockyg: those may stand up a test cloud for this testing anyway | 14:17 |
| gema | they can run it | 14:17 |
| brunssen | o/ | 14:17 |
| topol | Rockyg I guess whoever has acces to the private cloud will have to run | 14:17 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: I'm reading it as "if you want tongli to run tests for you and it's feasible to get him access to your cloud/lab/whatever, he's available. Otherwise, you can do it." | 14:17 |
| gema | yep | 14:17 |
| topol | as usual markvoelker is spot on | 14:17 |
| topol | #topic Test candidates review (refer to the current test candidates on the etherpad) | 14:18 |
| catherine_d|1 | generally tongli: won't have access to the cloud for debug ... it may make sense that he run the last test run once all are verified working | 14:18 |
| Rockyg | Great. I think w should write rules a little more formally as part of the "challenge rules" | 14:18 |
| dcnatt_ | Catching up. Has the team discussed a vnf test candidate yet? | 14:18 |
| topol | So right now we have the docker terraform and LampStack with Ansible. Do we need any more? | 14:19 |
| markvoelker | dcnatt_: No, but test candidates is the current topic. =) | 14:19 |
| topol | The foundation folks also would like an NFV app if possible | 14:19 |
| topol | I believe AT&T is looking for one of these | 14:20 |
| dcnatt_ | Interested in throwing out nfv test candidate and containerized workloads for consideration | 14:20 |
| topol | dcnatt_ Yes, you haveone of these?? | 14:20 |
| dcnatt_ | I have inflight POCs for both | 14:20 |
| dcnatt_ | Can repurpose | 14:20 |
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| dcnatt_ | If team sees value | 14:20 |
| topol | dcnatt_ when can code be pushed to the repository? | 14:20 |
| dcnatt_ | lmc.. I wanted to propose here first then verify | 14:21 |
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| topol | dcnatt Definitely value. I heard from the foundation folks they would like that included | 14:21 |
| dcnatt_ | I'll pursue asap. What about containerized multi-cloud interop | 14:21 |
| tongli | @dncatt_, if you need any help with ansible, I like to lend a hand. | 14:22 |
| topol | dcnatt_ There is certainly interest in NFV. There maybe interest in containerized multi-cloud interop. My guess is folks will want to see the workload code | 14:22 |
| dcnatt_ | @tongli - thanks, always appreciated | 14:23 |
| markvoelker | Hm. We have a Swarm workload. I was monkeying with a k8s workload (deployed atop OS with Ansible) the other day in the lab. Might be able to tidy that up if we need it. | 14:23 |
| markvoelker | Do we though? | 14:23 |
| topol | So best thing is to get the workload pushed up to the repository as soon as possible. | 14:23 |
| dcnatt_ | We have semantic pipeline auth/auth at the CNI to support workloads across OS and AWS etc. | 14:24 |
| topol | My hope is we get a few of these workloads runnning for everyone. Then if time permits we can add others. Does that make sense? | 14:24 |
| tongli | @markvoelker, do you mean the docker swarm test already in the contrib project, or you have a different one? | 14:24 |
| markvoelker | tongli: the one already there | 14:24 |
| topol | Did we decide what should be the second workload to try and run? | 14:25 |
| dcnatt_ | We are showing app decomp to component workloads, dynamic networking at the container level plumbed to virtual network across providers and managed by policy | 14:25 |
| markvoelker | topol: Sure, time is of the essence (which is sort of why I was hesitating...we'd originally said we wanted workloads decided by Aug 8 =p) | 14:25 |
| tongli | @markvoelker, ok. thanks for clarifying it. | 14:25 |
| topol | markvoelker. if we get them soon I think we are okay. We all just need near term deadlines to get the adrenaline going | 14:26 |
| topol | markvoelker I'm also okay with some workloads being run ats | 14:26 |
| markvoelker | topol: Ok. So if time permits I'll see if I can get a k8s workload posted. If not, no worries, we can always do more workloads post-Barcelona. | 14:27 |
| markvoelker | Sound good? | 14:27 |
| topol | markvoelker sounds good | 14:27 |
| tongli | so work load tests as follows: 1. Ansible lampstack 2. Terraform docker swarm 3. ATT NFV? | 14:27 |
| * markvoelker sets himself a reminder | 14:27 | |
| dcnatt_ | Agree | 14:27 |
| topol | tongli YES! | 14:27 |
| topol | tongli you type faster than me | 14:28 |
| gema | will the NFV workload run on a normal neutron enabled cloud? | 14:28 |
| tongli | so #3 is a try as much as possible? | 14:28 |
| dcnatt_ | It will "Run"... | 14:28 |
| topol | #agree so work load tests as follows: 1. Ansible lampstack 2. Terraform docker swarm 3. ATT NFV | 14:28 |
| topol | dcnatt_ please push the code up as soon as you can. tongli can help with wrapping ansible around it | 14:28 |
| dcnatt_ | Will do | 14:29 |
| tongli | awesome. | 14:29 |
| topol | one other question, did folks have issues with the Terraform? If necessary tongli could rewrite as Ansible | 14:30 |
| tongli | I will send results to the owner of the cloud who sends me account info. | 14:30 |
| * topol topol ducks | 14:30 | |
| markvoelker | topol: no. The more the merrier. | 14:30 |
| topol | #action let tongli, topol know if any issues with Terraform | 14:30 |
| gema | topol: no, we wanted to try different deployment methods for the different workloads | 14:31 |
| gema | to increase the coverage | 14:31 |
| topol | markvoelker okay tongli will be happy to hear that | 14:31 |
| rohit404 | topol i gave the terraform docker swarm a spin last nite, saw some ssh key issues, i'll follow up | 14:31 |
| Rockyg | topol, good thing tongli has his hand full | 14:31 |
| markvoelker | (e.g. if Terraform or some other orch tool is making assumptions about what everyone's OpenStack clouds can do and that makes stuff break, that will be useful data) | 14:31 |
| topol | markvoelker ++ excellentpoint | 14:31 |
| topol | #topic Test environment from different vendors. or should we just test stuff against our own environment? | 14:32 |
| topol | i think we covered this. | 14:32 |
| topol | Everyone runs themselves but if you can give tongli access he is willing to help | 14:32 |
| markvoelker | topol: ++ | 14:32 |
| gema | topol: ++ | 14:33 |
| Rockyg | == | 14:33 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 14:33 |
| dcnatt_ | ++ | 14:33 |
| topol | #agree Everyone runs tests themselves but if you can give tongli access he is willing to help | 14:33 |
| topol | new topic | 14:33 |
| tongli | only 5 company indicated OS releases on etherpad, should there be more? | 14:33 |
| catherine_d|1 | topol: ++ | 14:34 |
| topol | tongli lets you and I follow up on who may be missing | 14:34 |
| Rockyg | sorry guys. It's really early and I'v bee doing early for the week. Burnout | 14:34 |
| Rockyg | sounds like we need to.... | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | tongli : which etherpad? | 14:35 |
| gema | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2016-08-17 | 14:35 |
| topol | #action tongli and topol to follow up on who has declared their release | 14:35 |
| tongli | @gema, you beat me on that. | 14:35 |
| gema | tongli: :D | 14:35 |
| topol | #topic result repository | 14:36 |
| topol | Send as emails? Or a better suggestion? | 14:37 |
| topol | a new folder in the ops repository that holds the workloads? | 14:37 |
| tongli | if we only produce one report per test per cloud, then email maybe just fine. | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | email to the defcore mailing list? | 14:37 |
| markvoelker | Or something like SurveyMonkey to make it a bit more structured, perhaps? | 14:38 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann, sounds good... | 14:38 |
| topol | dhellmann, so folks won't view that as spam? | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | topol : I was asking if that's what you meant by "email" | 14:39 |
| topol | as long as everyone is okay wiht the mailing list | 14:39 |
| * markvoelker puts on DefCore co-chair hat | 14:39 | |
| markvoelker | I won't consider it spam. =) | 14:39 |
| * markvoelker doffs hat | 14:39 | |
| Rockyg | markvoelker, ++ | 14:39 |
| * topol topol kisses the ring of markvoelker | 14:39 | |
| tongli | @markvoelker, then defcore-committee mailing list. | 14:39 |
| markvoelker | Ok, so how about I post the information that we expect people to send in via email in some location that's more permanent that paste.openstack.org? =) | 14:40 |
| markvoelker | Do we have a wiki page for the interop challenge? If not maybe I'll just go create one. | 14:41 |
| markvoelker | topol: ^^ | 14:41 |
| tongli | @markvoelker, shamail already created one. | 14:41 |
| topol | #agree folks can email their results to the defcore mailing list | 14:42 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker: we do have wiki page for interop-challenge https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Interop_Challenge#Meeting_Information | 14:42 |
| markvoelker | Ok, I'll put it there | 14:42 |
| topol | got diconeected for a sec | 14:43 |
| topol | so folks are to mail the list and markvoelker to record on the wiki page? | 14:43 |
| markvoelker | topol: yep | 14:43 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker update wiki page with how to submit test results | 14:44 |
| topol | #action markvoelker to record results on the wiki page, folks you email results to the defcore meeting list | 14:44 |
| topol | excellent | 14:44 |
| topol | #topic next weeks meeting, topo and shamail at OpenStack East next week | 14:45 |
| * markvoelker is too | 14:45 | |
| topol | So for next week should we cancel? | 14:45 |
| topol | Or we could leave the hour as an open office hour if folks need help from tongli | 14:45 |
| dcnatt_ | is at containercon/cloud native day in Toronto | 14:45 |
| markvoelker | I'd be fine with that. | 14:45 |
| topol | K, so next weeks meeting is canceled but tongli available on IRC for help | 14:46 |
| topol | #topic open discussion | 14:47 |
| tongli | I added a little section at the end of the etherpad for summary. please update if miss something. | 14:48 |
| topol | I think we got a lot covered in this meeting. Very productive | 14:48 |
| topol | Any open issues or do folks want time back | 14:49 |
| dcnatt_ | Good here | 14:49 |
| gema | all good | 14:49 |
| tongli | @dncatt_, eager to see NFV stuff in , let me know if you need a hand. Thanks. | 14:49 |
| topol | Awesome. Great meeting everyone. And I look forward to seeing folks at OpenStack East! | 14:50 |
| dcnatt_ | will do, thanks for support offer | 14:50 |
| tongli | thanks. | 14:50 |
| gema | thank you all! | 14:50 |
| rohit404 | thanks folks ! | 14:50 |
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| Rockyg | yhaks? | 14:52 |
| Rockyg | thanks... | 14:52 |
| topol | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 14:52:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2016/interop_challenge.2016-08-17-14.00.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2016/interop_challenge.2016-08-17-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interop_challenge/2016/interop_challenge.2016-08-17-14.00.log.html | 14:52 |
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| gema | markvoelker: I am a bit wary | 15:07 |
| gema | I took a few mins to read the instructions | 15:07 |
| gema | https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-contrib/tree/master/ansible/lampstack | 15:07 |
| gema | if we use shade, aren't we avoiding poking the API directly? | 15:07 |
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| markvoelker | Well, shade still calls the API. If we're using a workload that is built on shade and it runs successfully across lots of products, that may just tell us that using Shade is a good idea if you're designing workloads for multiple clouds. | 15:08 |
| gema | markvoelker: yeah, that is fair enough | 15:08 |
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| tongli | @gema, @markvoelker, just want to make sure that it is not the project LAMPstack wants to use shade, it is the Ansible OS cloud module uses shade. | 15:15 |
| tongli | if you want to use ansible to deal with OS cloud, shade is required. there is no other options. but I do think it is a good thing | 15:16 |
| tongli | same tool, same client, against various cloud, that is exactly what interop should be doing. | 15:17 |
| markvoelker | tongli: yep, I think we're on the same page. | 15:17 |
| tongli | @markvoelker, it is good to be on the same page that you are on. :-) | 15:18 |
| markvoelker | tongli: haha | 15:18 |
| gema | tongli: yep, mark convinced me it is a good thing | 15:45 |
| gema | we are good | 15:45 |
| gema | tongli: every time you add an @ to my nickname my irssi refuses to notify me you are talking to me :D | 15:45 |
| gema | just saying, not ignoring you on purpose :D | 15:45 |
| tongli | gema, hmmm, so the IRC client is not working for you? | 15:46 |
| gema | tongli: now it is | 15:46 |
| tongli | I should not add that to your name then. | 15:47 |
| gema | it's the @ at the beginning :) | 15:47 |
| gema | tongli: thanks! | 15:47 |
| tongli | gema, right, right. | 15:47 |
| gema | :D | 15:47 |
| tongli | will do as you suggested. | 15:47 |
| gema | thanks! | 15:47 |
| tongli | thx | 15:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Hoge proposed openstack/defcore: Introduce target_programs definition https://review.openstack.org/310621 | 15:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/defcore: Create 2016.08 Guideline from next.json https://review.openstack.org/351339 | 16:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/defcore: Remove tests that require second set of credentials from next. https://review.openstack.org/338609 | 16:25 |
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| gema | eglute: I just sent an email did you receive it in the defcore mailing? | 17:01 |
| gema | I am not sure if my emails are getting through since I changed my subscription to my work account | 17:02 |
| eglute | yes! | 17:02 |
| gema | ack, thanks! | 17:02 |
| gema | calling it a day now then :D | 17:02 |
| eglute | thank you for sending it out! | 17:02 |
| gema | yw :) | 17:02 |
| eglute | have a good evening :) | 17:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Hoge proposed openstack/defcore: Update schema to 1.6 to disallow additional properties https://review.openstack.org/356641 | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Hoge proposed openstack/defcore: Update schema to 1.6 to disallow additional properties https://review.openstack.org/356641 | 18:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark T. Voelker proposed openstack/defcore: Fix status of 2016A process doc https://review.openstack.org/356648 | 18:06 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: eglute: catherineD: I didn't want to debug the dependent patch issue, so I just abandoned and resubmitted | 18:12 |
| markvoelker | k | 18:12 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge! | 18:12 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: eglute: markvoelker: please do not merge the 1.6 schema patch until we update the RefStack website ... I will let you know | 18:14 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: duly noted | 18:14 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I'm still sending up patches to make it work. ;-) | 18:14 |
| hogepodge | comcast to openstack is particularly bad today. | 18:15 |
| hogepodge | Three minutes to return from git review | 18:15 |
| eglute | i put -1 on workflow catherineD | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Hoge proposed openstack/defcore: Update schema to 1.6 to disallow additional properties https://review.openstack.org/356641 | 18:15 |
| catherineD | eglute: thank you! | 18:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark T. Voelker proposed openstack/defcore: Change doc references to DefCore https://review.openstack.org/327086 | 18:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark T. Voelker proposed openstack/defcore: Change doc references to DefCore https://review.openstack.org/327086 | 18:31 |
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| markvoelker | hmmm, something does seem to be up with CI today. Can't remember the last time I saw Jenkins leave a -1 with POST_FAILURE and no logs on a patch | 18:50 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: I fixed my problem by turning off ipv6 on my home network stack. comcast + ipv6 = :-( | 19:07 |
| markvoelker | Funny...I noticed that infra pulled OSIC out of the CI today due to issues and they think the problem may be rooted in IPv6 too | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: hogepodge: eglute: We made a new tag (1.1.4) on RefStack but have not seen it on https://pypi.python.org/pypi/refstack yet ... will update when there is new status.. | 19:40 |
| markvoelker | roger that | 19:41 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: np, there's no rush | 19:42 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: thanks | 19:43 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: The volume for logs.openstack.org filled up rather suddenly, causing a number of jobs to fail with a POST_FAILURE result and no logs; we're manually expiring some logs now to buy breathing room, but any changes which hit that in the past few minutes will need to be rechecked and/or approved again | 19:44 | |
| markvoelker | Ah, so it wasn't IPv6 after all! | 19:45 |
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