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| ttx | notmyname: Proposed merge from trunk into milestone-proposed: https://code.launchpad.net/~ttx/swift/1.4.1-proposed/+merge/64648 -- please sanity check and accept | 09:30 |
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| sandywalsh | soren, ttx ... in pip-requires if we specify version 2.5 won't that also find 2.5.x ? | 11:09 |
| sandywalsh | soren, ttx (context: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/797510) | 11:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 797510 in nova "tools/pip-requires requires non-existing novaclient" [Undecided,New] | 11:09 |
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| soren | sandywalsh: I've never used pip. No clue. | 12:02 |
| zykes- | soren: you done preseeding ? | 12:02 |
| soren | zykes-: Some. | 12:09 |
| zykes- | got any working recipe for a nova setup? | 12:09 |
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| ttx | sandywalsh: same here. I don't use pip. I just use the packages and run some components from branch instead of package. | 12:20 |
| sandywalsh | soren, ttx, np, I'll investigate | 12:24 |
| sandywalsh | soren, ttx, maybe it's time to revisit the idea of pulling novaclient into nova? We deferred due to schedule last time. | 12:28 |
| soren | zykes-: Sorry, no. | 12:35 |
| ttx | sandywalsh: I thought the current trend was to drop it in favor of Jakob's client ? | 12:35 |
| soren | That was my impression as well. | 12:37 |
| sandywalsh | huh? news to me ... I thought it was to have a discussion. His client is miles behind novaclient now. | 12:41 |
| soren | IIRC, he gave (or was to give) some of us access to his repo, so that wouldn't be the case anymore. | 12:42 |
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| ttx | sandywalsh: dabo is handling the merge effort | 12:43 |
| sandywalsh | ttx, soren hmm, only saw the initial email, never heard any other decisions since then. | 12:43 |
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| dabo | ttx: sandywalsh: the goal is to get OpenStackers as committers on jacobian's branch | 12:44 |
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| dabo | I've followed up with him twice, but nothing so far. | 12:44 |
| sandywalsh | dabo, are you migrating novaclient to his branch? | 12:44 |
| dabo | until then, we need to use our own fork | 12:44 |
| dabo | sandywalsh: no | 12:44 |
| dabo | when we get added as committers, I figured that you and jk0 would do that | 12:45 |
| sandywalsh | why are we moving to his branch vs him moving to ours? Seems easier. | 12:45 |
| dabo | sandywalsh: because it was felt that an outside project would keep us more honest in our API | 12:45 |
| dabo | iow, if it can't be done without resorting to internal calls, it isn't a proper client | 12:46 |
| sandywalsh | not sure what that means | 12:46 |
| dabo | If we had a need for stuff that is necessary for OpenStack that is not needed in a client (such as inter-zone communication), then that should be separate. | 12:47 |
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| sandywalsh | public api is public api | 12:47 |
| sandywalsh | not even sure how you would make something that like separate? are you proposing a different api? | 12:48 |
| soren | sandywalsh: It's just really easy to neglect keeping the docs and the implemented API in sync, if you're doing both the client and server side. | 12:48 |
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| sandywalsh | soren, well I buy that argument. Sounds like more of a process issue than a technology issue | 12:50 |
| soren | sandywalsh: If you document one syntax in the API, but misremember and then implement it differently in the server and you implement the client side to match the server rather than the docs, that | 12:50 |
| soren | s bad. | 12:50 |
| sandywalsh | iow, I haven't heard a good argument for him migrating to us vs. us migrating to him :) | 12:53 |
| ttx | sandywalsh: iirc the "keep us honest by having it driven from the outside" was the main reason. Do you have a good reason to prefer the other way ? | 12:55 |
| dabo | sandywalsh: there was extensive discussion about it in #openstack-meeting a few weeks ago | 12:55 |
| sandywalsh | I guess I don't see how us having access to his repo vs. him having access to our repo really makes anything more honest. | 12:57 |
| ttx | the repo appears slightly (slightly) more externally-maintained with "us having access to his repo" I'd say... but I agree the two options are pretty similar. | 13:00 |
| ttx | and now that we delegated dabo to bridge the gap and he managed to converge on "his repo", I'd like to see a very good reason for backpedaling. | 13:01 |
| sandywalsh | I'd buy that ... but is it worth the up-front effort to migrate the codebase over? In fact it would be better to just kill his branch and move ours over in one-fell-swoop. | 13:02 |
| sandywalsh | but that's just my $0.02 | 13:02 |
| ttx | sandywalsh: oh, you mean his branch is so behind-the-times that it makes much more sense the other way around ? | 13:02 |
| sandywalsh | yes | 13:02 |
| dabo | that may end up being the way to go | 13:03 |
| ttx | sandywalsh: ok that makes sense. I have no idea how much behind-the-times it is, so I can't comment on that :) | 13:03 |
| sandywalsh | that said, getting the process in place for API changes is perhaps even more important. | 13:04 |
| dabo | ttx: we're doing lots of stuff for internal usage that he would have had no reason to develop | 13:04 |
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| sandywalsh | dabo, internal to who? | 13:05 |
| ttx | dabo: no reason because it doesn't make sense in a client library ? Then it might make sense to discuss a nova-internal bit for internal nova use | 13:05 |
| dabo | zone booting | 13:05 |
| dabo | why would a Rackspace customer need that? | 13:06 |
| sandywalsh | anyone who wants zones/dist-sched needs that ... and it goes away once the api is solidified | 13:06 |
| dabo | sandywalsh: imagine that nova is deployed as Rackspace Cloud Servers, with the zones configured as needed. When would a Cloud Servers customer ever need the zone booting capabilities? | 13:07 |
| sandywalsh | anytime they want to provision > 1 instance at a time | 13:08 |
| dabo | what does that have to do with zones? | 13:08 |
| dabo | I might want to deploy > 1 instance in a single-zone deployment | 13:08 |
| sandywalsh | it has to do with API 1.0 not supporting reservation ids ... /zones/boot is just a placeholder until the api spec catches up | 13:09 |
| sandywalsh | this is my whole point, we can't hold back development until the api adoption process is nailed down. | 13:10 |
| sandywalsh | we'll never get anything done | 13:10 |
| dabo | and my whole point is that such things don't belong in a client that is released to the public. If we need shortcuts or duct tape, they should be internal | 13:11 |
| sandywalsh | using what? a different api? | 13:11 |
| dabo | if the api doesn't support something, it shouldn't be in the client | 13:11 |
| sandywalsh | so Extensions can never be supported in the client? | 13:12 |
| dabo | only if they are clearly marked as such. Not every deployment will support every extension, but they will all support the core API | 13:13 |
| sandywalsh | where would they be clearly marked? | 13:14 |
| sandywalsh | in the spec? | 13:14 |
| dabo | in the spec, in any documentation, etc | 13:15 |
| sandywalsh | or a big text message "this is non-standard!" :) If they can issue it via curl, why not make it available in (a) client | 13:15 |
| sandywalsh | (once again DirectAPI is sounding better and better :) | 13:17 |
| dabo | sandywalsh: wasn't that the point of direct api? To allow devs access to the internals without having to muck up the public api? | 13:18 |
| sandywalsh | no, it was to make the client move in lock-step with the server without having to manually sync | 13:18 |
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| openstackjenkins | ??* Prints the time taken to run each test | 13:34 |
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| openstackjenkins | Tarmac: The Xen driver supports running instances in PV or HVM modes, but the method it uses to determine which to use is complicated and doesn't work in all cases. The result is that images that need to use HVM mode (such as FreeBSD 64-bit) end up setting a property named 'os' set to 'windows'. | 14:09 |
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| soren | ttx: I just added a new tool to our archive management toolbox. | 15:06 |
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| soren | ttx: It finds packages that live in PPA's, but are out of sync. This is likely to cause problems when we copy everything to the common release PPA. | 15:06 |
| soren | ttx: (e.g. swift only ever having been tested with eventlet 0.9.13 on Lucid, while Nova is on 0.9.15 on Lucid) | 15:06 |
| soren | ttx: Example output http://paste.ubuntu.com/627395/ | 15:07 |
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| ttx | soren: cool, should probably file bugs to push convergence | 15:09 |
| soren | ttx: I was just going to translate mismatches into items for my RTM todo-list. | 15:10 |
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| ttx | btw, I've got my rtm cli up at https://code.launchpad.net/~ttx/+junk/scripts, if you're interested | 15:18 |
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| ttx | soren: ^ | 15:20 |
| ttx | uses pyrtm from https://launchpad.net/~ttx/+archive/extras | 15:20 |
| soren | ttx: Awesome, I was just about to ask :) | 15:21 |
| soren | ttx: Any reason pyrtm isn't in UBuntu? | 15:21 |
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| ttx | it was a bit stale last time I looked | 15:22 |
| ttx | as in "orphaned" | 15:22 |
| soren | Erk. | 15:22 |
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| soren | ttx: The repo on bitbucket isn't entirely dead, though. | 15:24 |
| soren | ttx: Releases are just few and far apart. | 15:24 |
| ttx | right, it used to be "more dead". | 15:24 |
| ttx | i'll revisit it. Soon. | 15:24 |
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| ttx | soren: fail: http://jenkins.openstack.org/job/swift-milestone-ppa/5/ | 15:33 |
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| jaypipes | bcwaldon: pung. | 17:36 |
| bcwaldon | So I can't seem to see a clean way to separate out http header code from the (de)serializers | 17:37 |
| bcwaldon | https://code.launchpad.net/~rackspace-titan/glance/wsgi-refactor/+merge/64311 | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | bcwaldon: give me one ping only sir. one ping only. (said in the voice of Sean Connery) | 17:37 |
| bcwaldon | I love that guy | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | bcwaldon: ok, gimme a few. I'll comment on the MP. | 17:38 |
| bcwaldon | Thanks | 17:38 |
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| soren | mtaylor: ping | 18:58 |
| soren | mtaylor: I'm fairl sure ths is the "can't fetch artifacts over unuathenticated http anymore" problem. Seeing as you've addressed this in the past, can you take a look? | 18:59 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Heheh... "This" refers to http://jenkins.openstack.org/job/swift-milestone-ppa/5/ | 19:34 |
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| soren | It's *really* quiet this evening. | 21:43 |
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| markvoelker | soren, eday: well, we could always start a discussion of XML vs JSON, names for "E", or choice of version control system. Those topics usually liven things up around here. =) | 21:49 |
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| eday | markvoelker: What's there to discuss? We all know the outcomes, it's just something to keep us busy until some does the work to make it so :) | 21:59 |
| mgius | we could discuss what might happen on the next season of Glee? | 22:01 |
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| eday | I think I have a fingernail to rip out first... | 22:03 |
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| comstud | eday: let me help | 22:41 |
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| mtaylor | soren: yes | 23:48 |
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