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| Auree | Hi, I am trying to play with nova from python shell and I have a problem. What I am trying to do is get information about all instances, so I do 'from nova import db' and 'db.instance_get_all(context)'. The problem is I get an exception from SQLAlchemy, saying "no such table". | 19:16 |
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| Dereckson | Hello. | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | Hi | 19:22 |
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| Kiall | Auree, you probably want the novaclient package, rather than nova itself. | 19:31 |
| Kiall | Auree, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-novaclient/ | 19:32 |
| Auree | Kiall: actually my goal is to create a new scheduler for nova, do you think novaclient is still the right choice? | 19:35 |
| Kiall | In that case, nope! | 19:35 |
| Auree | Kiall: right now I am trying to collect some statistics and I need instance uuids | 19:35 |
| Kiall | But - You wont be able to (easily) just toy with it in the shell, since just importing DB would skip all the initialization etc. | 19:36 |
| Auree | Kiall: ok, what is the correct way to do it? | 19:36 |
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| zykes- | eyy | 19:38 |
| zykes- | Kiall: ! | 19:38 |
| Kiall | I tend to do that kinda stuff via a test - eg you could copy and strip this down: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/scheduler/test_filter_scheduler.py | 19:38 |
| zykes- | how did you Moniker go in the whole dnsaas game? | 19:38 |
| Kiall | zykes-, lots of interest from a few different groups | 19:39 |
| zykes- | Kiall: what about ebay / comcast then ? | 19:39 |
| Kiall | Trying to organize a "face to face" (aka IRC) chat to discuss | 19:39 |
| Kiall | No clue about either of those, other than they have private implementations. | 19:39 |
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| zykes- | have you checked with them ? | 19:40 |
| Kiall | Patrick has talked to them I believe, But I've not spoken to him in a few days | 19:40 |
| zykes- | PAtrick who ? | 19:40 |
| Kiall | Galbraith (So spelled that wrong) | 19:41 |
| zykes- | ;p | 19:41 |
| zykes- | who does he work for ? | 19:41 |
| Kiall | HP | 19:41 |
| zykes- | ah | 19:41 |
| zykes- | don't they have one already ? | 19:41 |
| Kiall | Nope | 19:41 |
| zykes- | what about using mongo as a driver ? | 19:42 |
| zykes- | or making the driver loadable | 19:42 |
| Kiall | The driver is "loadable" (other than the fact that it's hard coded right now ;)) | 19:42 |
| Kiall | there is method that, right not, just does "return SqlADriver()" with a TODO note next to it ;') | 19:43 |
| zykes- | ;p | 19:43 |
| zykes- | I think Mongo could be nice | 19:43 |
| zykes- | 1 entry pr record ;p | 19:43 |
| Auree | Kiall: thank, I will try it | 19:43 |
| Kiall | I just don't see the need.. | 19:43 |
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| Kiall | Relational databases are well understood, already used in production by OpenStack clouds, Adding MongoDB just because it's the new hotness is just silly IMO ;) | 19:44 |
| zykes- | Kiall: you might mean that | 19:45 |
| zykes- | but still, it should be "choosable" :P | 19:45 |
| zykes- | for me it's the same | 19:45 |
| Kiall | It is (kinda) ;) | 19:45 |
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| Kiall | zykes-, https://github.com/managedit/moniker/blob/master/moniker/database/__init__.py | 19:46 |
| Kiall | implement a mongo DB driver according to that interface.. and fix the get_driver method at the bottom and it's loadable | 19:46 |
| zykes- | ;) | 19:47 |
| EmilienM | zykes-: o/ | 19:48 |
| zykes- | EmilienM: at last :p | 19:48 |
| zykes- | evil frenchmen :p | 19:49 |
| EmilienM | ;) | 19:49 |
| zykes- | what where you wondering about EmilienM ? | 19:51 |
| EmilienM | pm | 19:51 |
| zykes- | ok | 19:52 |
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| Kiall | bcwaldon, ping.. Looking at your warlock lib and have a Q or 2 :) | 20:10 |
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| zykes- | Newtonian < what's that jkoelker ? | 20:20 |
| Kiall | zykes-, i'm guessing this.. https://github.com/jkoelker/newtonian | 20:22 |
| zykes- | yeah, but what's the intention of it | 20:23 |
| Kiall | "Put a brief description of 'newtonian'." <-- The stated intention is clear, is it not? ;) | 20:23 |
| zykes- | it's nothing atm in other words ;p | 20:23 |
| zykes- | it looks kinda quantum ish | 20:24 |
| Kiall | https://github.com/jkoelker/newtonian/blob/master/setup.py#L22 | 20:24 |
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| zykes- | so | 20:25 |
| zykes- | yet another quantum effort ? | 20:25 |
| Kiall | I guess so.. | 20:25 |
| zykes- | what's the use of that :/ | 20:25 |
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| jkoelker | its an experiment | 20:26 |
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| zykes- | jkoelker: for ? ;) | 20:26 |
| jkoelker | right now we use melange as the network orchestation | 20:26 |
| zykes- | what does it do contra quantum v2 ? | 20:27 |
| jkoelker | depending on the quantum plugin in use, quantum falls over rather frequently | 20:27 |
| jkoelker | it stores all of the network information in its own database | 20:27 |
| zykes- | jkoelker: care to elaborate ? | 20:27 |
| jkoelker | and considers the plugins subservient | 20:27 |
| jkoelker | whereas quantum considers the plugins authoritative | 20:28 |
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| jkoelker | so depending on what vendor plugin quantum uses determines its performance and features | 20:29 |
| zykes- | jkoelker: so what, replacing quantum ?= | 20:29 |
| jkoelker | I want to normalize that much like compute in nova normalizes the hypervisors | 20:29 |
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| jkoelker | no | 20:29 |
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| jkoelker | just a sec got a phone call | 20:30 |
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| zykes- | k | 20:32 |
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| zykes- | jkoelker: is what you're doing some Dodai alike thing or ? | 20:40 |
| jkoelker | sorry bout that | 20:43 |
| jkoelker | not to replace quantum but to get data about an alternative archetecture for it to improve upon in quantum | 20:43 |
| zykes- | not getting that but ;p | 20:43 |
| zykes- | you doing a experiment where you have a "general" database that resides in quantum rather then in the plugin or ? | 20:44 |
| jkoelker | we'll get some numbers and iterate rapidly and then can figure out was it a more robust way of impelemting the quantum api or not | 20:44 |
| jkoelker | yea I want to see what happens when we move the logic out of the plugin level into the api level | 20:44 |
| jkoelker | right now everything in quantum is handled by the plugin | 20:45 |
| zykes- | you mean like it's done in Nova ? ;) | 20:45 |
| jkoelker | correct | 20:45 |
| zykes- | isn't that DB done already like this in the OVS part ? | 20:45 |
| zykes- | there the stuff is stored in Quantum no ? | 20:45 |
| jkoelker | if you are running the OVS plugin yes | 20:45 |
| jkoelker | but its still done at the plugin level | 20:46 |
| jkoelker | so you can really just say you know what I'd like to switch over to using this other plugin | 20:46 |
| zykes- | shouldn't this be able to be implemented at the api level in quantum ? | 20:46 |
| jkoelker | I agree it should be | 20:47 |
| zykes- | I guess the reason for it not being is because Nicira and folks are storing stuff in the db ;p | 20:47 |
| jkoelker | we had significan resistance to doing that though | 20:47 |
| zykes- | s/the/their/ | 20:47 |
| zykes- | jkoelker: why ? | 20:47 |
| jkoelker | well the real issue is right now everything is up to the plugin | 20:47 |
| jkoelker | nothing is consistant | 20:48 |
| zykes- | jkoelker: have you checked out OpenNaaS `? | 20:48 |
| jkoelker | it can be if the plugin implementors choose to share stuff | 20:48 |
| jkoelker | i havn't | 20:48 |
| zykes- | http://www.opennaas.org/ | 20:48 |
| zykes- | it | 20:48 |
| zykes- | it's java but | 20:48 |
| Apsu` | Ugh D: | 20:49 |
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| jkoelker | that looks pretty cool i'll have to read more about it | 20:54 |
| zykes- | jkoelker: why not make quantum into something like it ? | 20:55 |
| jkoelker | that's the eventual goal | 20:55 |
| zykes- | are you working with nicira / vmware on this? | 20:55 |
| jkoelker | kinda, I defined the quantumv2 api | 20:56 |
| zykes- | ah | 20:56 |
| jkoelker | originally it was to be the quantum/melange merger | 20:56 |
| zykes- | what was to be ? | 20:56 |
| jkoelker | the quantumv2 api | 20:56 |
| zykes- | isn't that ok or ? | 20:56 |
| zykes- | except that it's still plugin based | 20:56 |
| jkoelker | but it would have required that the plugin be subservient to the melange db | 20:57 |
| zykes- | hehe | 20:57 |
| jkoelker | which i think is a better role anyway since that is what we've had to make melange into anyway | 20:57 |
| jkoelker | in our install | 20:57 |
| zykes- | you mean the IPAM is parenting to all others ? | 20:58 |
| jkoelker | just now we have a network manager that talks to melange for everything and dispatches out to quantum only to plug stuff in | 20:58 |
| jkoelker | for us it is | 20:58 |
| jkoelker | we are incredibly heavy on reads | 20:58 |
| zykes- | wonder what HP is doing then | 20:58 |
| jkoelker | and quantum couldn't keep up teling us what the network name was | 20:58 |
| jkoelker | i'm not sure, but i think they are using a nova-network fork of some sort | 20:59 |
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