Tuesday, 2012-10-23

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jaypipesvishy: heyo, is there a way to ask nova-manage network list to only list networks for a tenant? I've tried nova-manage network list project=<TENANT_ID> and nova-manage network list <TENANT_ID> but I get stacktraces when doing so ...00:00
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vishyhmm i am unsure00:01
vishybut you could use the api00:02
vishynova network-list00:02
vishyas the tenant00:02
vishyi think should work00:02
vishy(very recent addtion to nova cli though)00:02
vishyjaypipes: ^^00:02
jaypipesvishy: I'm doing this as an admin ..00:02
jaypipesvishy: can I filter the nova network-list call?00:02
vishyjaypipes: i don't think so00:03
jaypipesmeh, k. thx vishy!00:03
jaypipesvishy: just to check, but it is still necessary to use nova-manage network create to create a subnet for a tenant, right?00:04
vishywell no00:05
jaypipesoh?00:05
vishyyou could do it through the api now00:05
jaypipesoh, rock on.00:05
vishybut it hasn't been exposed to the cli yet00:05
vishy:(00:05
jaypipesah...00:05
vishyI added the list and get commands00:05
jaypipesis it an extension?00:05
vishybut someone has to go plug in the create commands00:05
jaypipesto the API...00:05
vishyjaypipes: yeah os-networks00:05
jaypipesgotcha.00:05
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jaypipesvishy: any objection to me adding that?00:05
jaypipesto novaclient00:05
vishyjaypipes: please do!00:06
jaypipesvishy: cool. is there a bug/blueprint on it or shall I create one?00:06
vishyjaypipes: someone is going through all of the missing stuff and trying to catalog in a blueprint00:06
vishylet me find00:06
jaypipeskk00:06
vishyjaypipes: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/apis-for-nova-manage00:06
vishyand: http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaManageDBAnalysis00:07
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jaypipesvishy: ty sir.00:07
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jaypipessdague: this as up2date as you know? http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaManageDBAnalysis00:08
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anon12345_what minimum arguments are required in CLI for keystone endpoint-create? i tried just the service-id but that didnt seem to work00:11
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/horizon: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1463600:11
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vishyjgriffith: ping00:24
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vishyjgriffith: it occurred to me that we could have an annoying issue with existing connections to initiators00:28
vishyjgriffith: as in compute has a volume connected to the old initiator name00:29
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devanandaanyone off-hand know when|why glance stopped passing system_metadata to nova compute?00:35
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devanandavishy: ^ is there a new way to get metadata from glance into nova?00:37
vishydevananda: no it is copied over00:37
vishyafaik00:37
devanandait was pre-summit00:37
vishyI don't think it copies all fields though00:38
devanandais there a better way to associate data with a glance image?00:39
devanandaspecifically, i need to set two distinct sets of kernel_id and ramdisk_id, one for deployment and one for running after deployment00:39
devanandathe second set used to be available within instance['system_metadata']00:40
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vishydevananda: that is a little crazy!00:46
vishy:)00:46
devanandavishy: that's bare-metal ;)00:46
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vishydevananda: afaict they are all copied00:48
vishydevananda: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L68100:49
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devanandavishy: ack. i'm thinking it is still available, just in a different variable now00:52
devanandalike image_meta00:52
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vishydevananda: all of the keys are prefixed with image00:59
vishyso an image property of foo should be in00:59
vishyinstance['system_metadata']['image_foo']00:59
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jgriffithvishy: Yeah, but if it's in attached state we shouldn't loose that should we?01:16
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jgriffithvishy: I thought the BDM table would pick that up for us01:16
jgriffithvishy: It would just change on the *next* attach01:17
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/cinder: Add trove classifiers for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1463301:17
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devanandavishy: i patched <driver>/driver.py to print instance and image_meta params. there is no longer any instance['system_metadata'], though this _was_ there a few weeks ago01:34
devanandavishy: here's a dump: http://paste.openstack.org/raw/22026/01:34
devanandathe image metadata is showing up as image_meta['properties']['foo'] now01:35
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devanandai can work around this. it was just a bit of a surprise01:46
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cryptographrixso, is this the right place to talk about DB engine choices?02:21
cryptographrixbecause the EST5EDT day guys don't seem to respond...02:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Add noseopts and replace noseargs where needed to run_test.sh  https://review.openstack.org/1451404:10
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Fix version requirement for mock library.  https://review.openstack.org/1444604:27
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Check parameter 'marker' before make request to glance  https://review.openstack.org/1447105:00
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Hitesharosen: Hey Aron,05:06
arosenHey Hitesh05:06
Hitesharosen: I would like to ask what we are guys doing now?05:06
Hitesharosen: I mean what Dan's next plan, I hope you enjoyed the summit?05:07
arosenHitesh:  Probably the best place to look  are here http://wiki.openstack.org/Summit/Grizzly/Etherpads05:08
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Hitesharosen: Thanks aron05:10
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Hitesharosen: Also, could you please tell me how quantum give a call to keystone to autheticate?05:12
Hitesharosen: I mean at the code level, actually I am looking into that, before that I would like to ask you :)05:12
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arosenthere is an example in quantumclient/v2_0/client.py05:16
arosenHitesh:  https://github.com/openstack/python-quantumclient/blob/master/quantumclient/v2_0/client.py#L12805:16
Hitesharosen: Thanks Aron :)05:18
arosenHitesh: np!05:19
arosenI'm out ttyl05:19
Hitesharosen: I would like to know more on Quan05:19
Hitesharosen: Sure05:19
Hitesharosen: no prob05:19
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zykes-Kiall: around ?06:45
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix nova-volume-usage-audit  https://review.openstack.org/1460308:22
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/horizon: Fixes JavaScript count bug in tables.  https://review.openstack.org/1445308:32
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andrea_hi a quick question I found an error in the logic of a single unite test, I should open a bug to submit the fix or I can just submit my change?09:48
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garyksalv-orlando: ping13:34
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salv-orlandogaryk: hi13:36
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garyksalv-orlando: i am working on bug 106204613:37
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1062046 in quantum "There is a lot of cases that API with an invalid parameter returns 500." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106204613:37
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garyksalv-orlando: there are some cases when the bulk commands return 500 instead of 400. i am going to try and deal with them now. first i wanted to ask if you think that the bulk problem is a bug. i am in two minds at the moment13:38
garyksalv-orlando: i have delat with the rest of the cases13:38
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salv-orlandogaryk: We should never return 500. It makes sense to return a 400 in the case of bulk requests13:40
salv-orlando#13:40
garyksalv-orlando: ok, thanks13:40
salv-orlandonp, thanks for fixing this13:40
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garyksalv-orlando: np. i may need some babysitting soon with the bulk13:41
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salv-orlandogaryk: sure. It should be easy though. For the "native" bulk use case you can do either in api/base.py or db_base_plugin_v2.py. For the emulated case, you can probably do the check at the beginning of _emulate_bulk_create in base.py13:44
garykok, thanks, i'll check it out13:45
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ayoungapevec, on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14639/1  should we be reserving openstack-keystone instead?13:57
apevecyeah, unfortunately "Keystone" is already taken by some random web framework13:58
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ayoungapevec, yeah, I saw that.  I am guessing that all of the openstack components should have the openstack- prefix?14:03
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apevecayoung, clients are already registered as python-*client but for server openstack- prefix makes sense14:06
apevechm, there's already http://pypi.python.org/pypi/glance14:07
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apevecand very out of date14:07
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apevecbtw, pypi is case sensitive and that framework is Keystone so we could register keystone but it would be confusing imho14:08
zulvishy:  that first patch in the lxc-attach bug will make the hunking big lxc-attach mess go away14:09
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andrea_belliott: around?14:12
ayoungapevec, that would be Evil.  Lets get an openstack standard under way.  If the existing Keystone project is not actively maintained, lets try to repurpose it, or, better yet,  get glance to go with openstack-glance14:12
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apevecayoung, yeah, I've had at least one case where people pip installed that "Keystone" and complained to me :)14:14
belliottandrea_: morning14:15
belliottandrea_: i'll look at your test fix now, sec14:17
sstentis there any documentation as to why innodb was chosen for the nova db?14:17
andrea_belliott: sorry for bothering you, I'd like just to inform you that I added you as reviewer for that https://review.openstack.org/14669 as you are the author of the code I changed14:18
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: Merge OVSVethInterfaceDriver into OVSInterfaceDriver  https://review.openstack.org/1432314:21
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belliottandrea_: np at all, and thanks for the fix14:27
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sstentanyone? Is there any documentation as to why innodb was chosen for the nova db?14:39
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/keystone: Document PKI configuration and management  https://review.openstack.org/1426514:44
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sstentI'm trying to setup a HA cluster and want understand if there is any reason why we should switch the db engine to NDB14:47
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VekCan I get the following three patches reviewed by someone, please?  They are:14:52
Veknova: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14250/14:52
Vekglance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14310/14:52
Vekquantum: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14359/14:52
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Hiteshsalv-orlando: Hi,15:00
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-novaclient: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1464515:05
zykes-is there a reason for projects not using alembic yet ?15:05
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Hiteshdanwent: Hi Dan,15:06
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danwentHitesh: on phone call15:07
Hiteshdanwent: Ok15:07
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Hiteshdanwent: I'll ping you later, would love to ask more on Quantum + Hyper-v15:13
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davidhadasnotmyname: hi,    (1) I submitted several changes for review.    (2) Last commit, I have some extra white spaces that I need to correct - is it ok to simply commit again on the same branch and indicate 'removed extra spaces' in the commit log?15:21
jk0davidhadas: yep, just fix, commit and git review again15:24
jk0it will push the latest patchset to the review15:24
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davidhadasjk0: thanks15:24
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: IP subnet validation fixes  https://review.openstack.org/1455215:27
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notmynamedavidhadas: what jk0 said, but remember to squash your changes. gerrit requires the patch to be one commit15:35
notmynamedavidhadas: and thanks for submitting the patches15:35
dacharydoude: \o15:38
davidhadasnotmyname: I commited the space fix without squashing :(  - should I commit a third time after squashing? Than abandon the two others? Will that work?15:38
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notmynamedavidhadas: abandon the 2nd one, squash the commits and `git review` it again15:41
notmynamedavidhadas: just make sure the commit-id in the commit message is the same as the first patch set15:42
doudedachary: hi15:43
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doudedachary: I found old code which implemented the backup schedules15:44
dacharydoude: ahahah :-) Where ?15:45
doudedachary: https://code.launchpad.net/~rconradharris/nova/backup_schedule_extension/+merge/7466515:45
doudedachary: it's a branch and it was never commit15:46
doudeI didn't find why it was commit15:46
doudeI'd just find this thread in the mailing list : http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/xdp7seenbjzny3dc15:47
dacharynice catch. It's a good conversation starter.15:47
dacharydoude: what's your next move ?15:47
doudeIn fact, historicaly, the v1.0 of OS Compute API implements a backup schedule extension15:47
doudebecause this functionnality was implemented by Rackspace API15:48
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doudebut nobody develop this functionality and the API extension was remove to OS Compute API15:48
doudehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/840/15:48
doudeI think how to implement a periodic mechanism in Nova service15:49
doudeI found the mecanism 'peridic_task' already implemted by manager class15:49
doudebut I don't think it's enougth for our problem15:50
doudeI found another python which can deliver same finctionnality like unix CRON15:51
doudehttp://packages.python.org/APScheduler/#15:51
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doudeNow, I'm starting to write blueprint15:52
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sdaguedtroyer if you are about, it would be good to get your take on the way you'd like to see opensuse come into devstack, as there are competing approaches in the review queue15:52
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Update policies  https://review.openstack.org/1425015:57
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-novaclient: Add support for backup instance.  https://review.openstack.org/1445115:57
dacharydoude: ok15:59
sandywalsh_are there any notes around for installing KVM on bare metal for use with OpenStack? I've only worked with Xen.16:00
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doudedachary: I still have trouble point. For example, how keep trace of schedule orders16:07
doudeshould I put in database in case of restating service ?16:08
dacharydoude: I think this kind of questions are better discussed after the blueprint has been shared with a few persons. I would not be surprised to learn that someone has already implemented something or has many ideas on how to implement it.16:10
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doudedachary: Ok16:21
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: add test for create subnet with default gateway and conflict allocation pool  https://review.openstack.org/1442916:35
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-cinderclient: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1464216:40
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dtroyersdague: I don't have a firsthand opinion on OpenSUSE itself; regarding the competing reviews, I don't particularly like either of them at first glance but haven't taken the time to really think through the right thing to do yet.16:44
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dtroyerI figured with them −1 each other there wasn't a hurry to commit ;)16:45
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Fixes bug Snapshotting LXC instance fails  https://review.openstack.org/1384816:49
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Add support for multiple db test classes  https://review.openstack.org/1425516:49
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Sync with latest version of openstack.common.timeutils  https://review.openstack.org/1466616:49
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Enable custom eventlet.wsgi.server log_format  https://review.openstack.org/1465016:50
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: add port support when QuantumV2 subclass is used  https://review.openstack.org/1463416:51
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-openstackclient: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1464616:51
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sdaguedtroyer: ok :) well the explicit distro list seems a little better to me than the package list abstraction16:53
sdaguewould be nice to at least give folks a direction there, so they could go and respin.16:54
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dtroyersdague: agreed, it's on the list, just not at the top16:56
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-swiftclient: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1464816:56
sdaguedtroyer: no worries :)16:57
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mnewbygaryk: around?17:16
garykmnewby: yes17:16
garykmnewby: how are you?17:16
mnewbygaryk: I'm pretty good.  How are you doing?  I was sorry to hear you'd taken ill - all that travel and jetlag must have taken it's toll.17:16
garykmnewby: i am slowly getting back into the swing of things17:17
mnewbygaryk: glad to hear it's getting better, at least.17:17
garykmnewby: :) thanks. with you?17:17
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1463517:17
mnewbygaryk: doing ok :)17:18
mnewbygaryk: i was wondering if there were unit tests for the ovs agent and I'm just not seeing them...17:18
mnewbyI see quantum/tests/openvswitch/test_ovs_tunnel.py, but that's fairly limited.17:19
garykmnewby: it is a touch one. i think that there is a minimal set. in the past i recall that you opened a bug to improve these.17:19
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mnewbygaryk: ah, ok.  I guess it's on me then.  Thank you for the second opinion.  :)17:20
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garykmnewby: quantum/tests/unit/openvswitch/ touches on a few things17:20
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mnewbygaryk: a few different pieces, but the agent itself is only used in the tunnel tests.  everything else is framework17:21
garykmnewby: correct. this is where i think that the smokestack/tempest will be very useful.17:22
mnewbygaryk: I'm afraid I would disagree...17:22
mnewbygaryk: I subscribe to the idea of the 'testing pyramid'.  Functionality should be tested at as low a level as possible.17:23
garykmnewby: understood17:23
mnewbygaryk: Higher level tests are more expensive to create and maintain, and over time become a huge drag on productivity.17:23
garykmnewby: i agree whole heartedly with you17:23
mnewbygaryk: Sorry for preaching :)17:23
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jeblairvishy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/106991717:24
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1069917 in openstack-ci "Setting InnoDB for tables breaks mysqlcluster/ndb replication" [Undecided,New]17:24
mnewbygaryk: In any case, I'll try to create a minimal subset of unit tests for the agent to verify the functionality I'm changing.17:24
garykmnewby: no problem. i just think that one of the pain points that we have at the moment is that there are no real black box tests.17:24
jeblairvishy: i think that bug wants to be a nova bug, not an openstack-ci, bug, yeah?17:24
garykmnewby: btw what change are you making?17:24
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vishyjeblair: probably but I don't really understand the problem17:25
mnewbygaryk: need the l2 agent to be able to target a second bridge (in domU) under xen for devstack.17:25
davidhadashey, whats the nick of Darrell Bishop?17:25
mnewbygaryk: Won't affect KVM.17:25
garykmnewby: nice.17:25
mnewbygaryk: will ensure that the dhcp agent can work under devstack/xen.17:25
jeblairvishy: my _guess_ is he wants his tables created with a table type of "ndb" rather than "innodb"17:25
vishyjeblair: i guess he wants another table type?17:25
vishyjeblair: ah i see17:25
jeblairvishy: i'll move it over to nova17:25
garykmnewby: great. silly question - does the dhcp agent need to run in dom0?17:26
mnewbygaryk: nope, john@citrix and i will ensure that all agents run in domU17:26
mnewbygaryk: much simplified deployment17:26
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mnewbygaryk: The l2 agent will target bridges in both dom0 (for vms) and domU (for dhcp), and the l3 agent with target a bridge in domU.17:27
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mnewbywith => will17:27
garykmnewby: sounds good.17:28
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garykmnewby: when your devstack is ready i'll be happy to give it a bash17:28
mnewbygaryk: great!17:28
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hemnado OS have any load testing scripts to test new code?17:53
mordredjeblair, vishy: seems like a sensible request ...17:54
mordredalso, awesome to see someone deploying on ndb...17:54
jeblairyeah!17:54
mordredvishy: I'd be happy to poke at that a little bit if it's not a priority for other folks17:55
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-quantumclient: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1464718:02
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VekCan I get the following two patches reviewed by someone, please?  They are:18:06
Vekglance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14310/18:06
Vekquantum: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14359/18:06
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1464918:15
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vishymordred: cool. I think we could actually just put in a config option for alter db tables18:19
mordredvishy: I agree18:19
vishymordred: as in all the places where we set the table type to innodb, we actually wrap it in an if FLAGS.db_convert_tables:18:19
vishyetc.18:19
mordredoh, wait - I was just thinking like table_type=FLAGS.db_table_type or something - but you're thinking a flag of whether or not to override instal defaults?18:20
mordredso __table_args__ = {'mysql_engine': 'InnoDB'} could become __table_args__ = {'mysql_engine': FLAGS.db_mysql_engine} and then we just have to deal with the 10000 migrations18:22
vishymordred: well that is fine i suppose18:23
vishymordred: but __table_args__ doesn't actually do anything ;)18:23
mordredheh18:23
vishyit is the migrations that do it18:23
mordreddoesn't table_args do it for initial creation?18:23
vishynope18:23
vishyit is all migrations18:23
mordredawesome18:23
vishywe don't use models.py to create things ever18:24
vishyI think making the migrations work with arbitrary db_mysql_engine alter commands might be scary18:24
vishywhich is why i was suggesting just let it use the db default18:24
vishyor explicitly convert to innodb18:25
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mordredyes - I believe that that is the right way to do it given how you're using things18:28
mordredwhich basically allows the installer to say "dude, we got it, please stop being helpful, k thx bai"18:28
mordredvishy: that being said - should we perhaps remove the InnoDB reference from the models.py while we're at it on this?18:29
vishymordred: yup18:30
mordredk. on it18:30
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mordredsigh18:38
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mordredvishy: general approach: http://paste.openstack.org/show/22136/ ? (I can't find a better way yet to conditionalize that...)18:42
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Change useexisting to extend_existing to fix deprecation warnings.  https://review.openstack.org/1417718:42
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maurosrsdague: vishy fiy I created the bp to api-samples https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-api-samples about the bugs, can I confirm and set their priorities to low by myself? (cause generally someone other than the author need to confirm the bugs)18:52
sdaguemaurosr: for these, sure. if you join the nova-bugs group you can set priority18:53
maurosrok18:53
sdaguemaurosr: https://launchpad.net/~nova-bugs18:54
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zykes-EmilienM: !18:56
zykes-;p18:56
vishymaurosr: sure low is fine18:56
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zykes-vishy: do you know how I could use a Fiber SAN with Cinder / Nova ?18:57
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jgriffithzykes-: you can't19:07
jgriffithzykes-: At least not today19:07
zykes-jgriffith: wouldn't it be possible to slightly modify stuff either ?19:07
zykes-we got a SAN that we wanna use19:07
jgriffithzykes-: You could write a driver19:07
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jgriffithzykes-: Then put a FC card in your compute node and modify the virt call19:08
jgriffithzykes-: There are folks interested in this sort of thing19:08
* zykes- wonders why it hasn't been done 19:08
riskableWith the latest python-novaclient package I cannot seem to get the 'files' dict to work.  No matter what I give it--a file object or a string--it never ends up creating said file(s) on the server instances it creates19:08
ayoungdolphm, I'm having trouble tracking which of the V3 reviews still need attention.  Anything holding you up there?19:08
jgriffithzykes-: It's not ideal or something a ton of folks are interested in IMO19:08
zykes-jgriffith: but what tech should one use to share drivers or so jgriffith ?19:08
riskableHas anyone got the files part of the novaclient working?19:09
dolphmayoung: probably... gerrit abandoned a few this week... should i start sending you a daily digest of please reviews?19:09
riskableI mean, it isn't a big deal:  It's easy enough to script uploading some files post-build but it would be nice if it worked as described19:09
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zykes-jgriffith: not ideal how ?19:11
jgriffithzykes-: infrastructure for one, HBA driver support for another19:11
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jgriffithzykes-: zoning, WWPN's etc etc etc19:11
dolphmayoung: heckj: (still catching up on the meeting) on the topic of multifactor, i think we missed a critical point in the discussed design at the summit, in that multifactor != "known A19:11
jgriffithzykes-: Regardless, it's not there19:12
dolphm... multifactor != known A + known B19:12
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jgriffithzykes-: But if folks want to wirte it, that's cool19:12
dolphmthat's just single factor (two knowns)19:12
ayoungdolphm, daily digest might be too much,  but a quick refresh might be in order19:12
ayoungdolphm, good point, on multifactor19:13
dolphmayoung: will do19:13
heckjdolphm: agreed - the path we're starting down to enable known+have is to enable assertions of authN in the token, and then a means of verifying those assertions full out19:13
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dolphmayoung: heckj: so, a policy requiring factors=2 shouldn't accept an auth based on ['password', 'mothers-maiden']19:13
heckjdolphm: would very much like a refresh on what needs attention there as well -19:14
ayoungbut I think, with the way we are implementing,  we will let the system administrators select from a set of precanned auth mechanism, plus allow them to write their own, and set up the ordering of them19:14
dolphmheckj: i started to spec it out on the plane home, and ran into this :(19:14
heckjI got smeared with a headcold as soon as I landed, so I haven't been functioning at all since Saturday19:15
zykes-jgriffith: why's wwwn a problem ?19:15
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1469319:15
jgriffithzykes-: Is there a question?  Or do you just want to make sure I know you want FC support :)19:16
ayoungdolphm, on the SQL thing,  any idea why creating a table and then immediately selecting on it would fail?  I was thinking maybe connections are reference counted in the in memory case, and when it gets to 0, the whole db is scrapped19:16
jgriffithzykes-: or should I say *everyone*19:16
zykes-jgriffith: Just wondering really why it's so hard contra iscsi :)19:16
ayoungwould seem to be a bad design...19:16
dolphmayoung: different in-memory databases perhaps?19:16
jgriffithzykes-: it is harder for a number of reasons, managing port names, zoning, switches etc19:17
jgriffithzykes-: The other interesting thing is HBA support19:17
jgriffithzykes-: Some drivers are only available on RHEL19:17
zykes-do you need to track port names in cinder ?19:17
dolphmayoung: i believe the reference to the engine is what you need to preserve... two engines = 2 db's19:17
jgriffithzykes-: true, but it's a bit different19:18
BLZbubbajgriffith: sorry i got in on this discussion a little late, what are you trying to do?19:18
jgriffithBLZbubba: I'm not :)19:18
zykes-JStoker: ok ?19:18
BLZbubbaoh, fiber san19:18
jgriffithBLZbubba: I made the mistake of answering a question :)19:18
BLZbubbaheh19:18
BLZbubbazykes-: which brand?19:18
dolphmayoung: can't remember if i mentioned it in my email or not, but each driver is creating its own engine reference... i was trying to figure out how to keep that behavior but also inject engines w/ metadata.create_all() already performed for the purposes of testing sql backends directly19:18
zykes-Emulex19:18
zykes-HBA and compellent SAN19:19
BLZbubbapersonally i would use a linux machine and export the whole thing as NFS19:19
zykes-:|19:19
jgriffithBLZbubba: Problem solved19:19
jgriffith:)19:19
zykes-that kinda sucks, cause compellent has alot of cool features19:19
jgriffithBLZbubba: Or export it as an iscsi target LOL19:19
BLZbubbalast time they did a pitch, they had an add on for NAS IIRC19:19
BLZbubbaor was that equallogic19:19
ayoungdolphm, you said you implemented this before.  Was that in the Pre KSL change over?19:19
dolphmayoung: basically formalizing this, self.identity_api._ENGINE = existing_engine19:19
dolphmayoung: yes19:19
zykes-so how should enterprises do then jgriffith ?19:20
BLZbubbazykes-: we could build a nova-volume clone that uses compellant instead of LVM19:20
BLZbubbabut that would take awhile :P19:20
zykes-BLZbubba: why not use cinder..19:20
BLZbubbazykes-: just stay away from san products that don't also do nas.  it is silly not to support both19:20
jgriffithzykes-: There are enterprise grade options for storage that use iSCSI19:20
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BLZbubbaadmittedly NFS is a pain :P19:20
zykes-jgriffith: we already have a SAN that's 2,5 years old ;p19:21
dolphmayoung: i remember running into the fact that sqlalchemy-migrate doesn't allow you to pass in an engine... workaround: run tests against migrations against a db on disk, run everything else in memory w/o migrations19:21
zykes-an "old" rig we wanna openstack19:21
jgriffithzykes-: Besides, like I said... there is interest and folks are kicking around the idea of FC19:21
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zykes-jgriffith: couldn't we plug it into Cinder and have cinder manage it ?19:21
ayoungdolphm, hmm, so we create the db schema for SQL tests by hand?19:21
jgriffithzykes-: If you want to write the driver/code to do it sure.  Else wait for somebody else to pick it up19:22
BLZbubbazykes-: is this for the VM boot disk storage, or for adding volumes later?19:22
zykes-BLZbubba: both I guess ;p19:22
zykes-boot from volume19:22
BLZbubbawell for the boot disks you probably want NFS19:22
dolphmayoung: no, http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_7/core/schema.html#creating-and-dropping-database-tables19:22
zykes-BLZbubba: why would I want something that's slow as hell ?19:23
BLZbubbanfs does just fine19:24
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zykes-BLZbubba: not compared to native fc...19:24
BLZbubbawell yeah19:24
zykes-it sucks when you got a setup from before and can't use it ;p19:24
ayoungdolphm, so import all of the sql entities and do a creat_all for them.  Will fast forward everything to the latest version.19:24
dolphmayoung: exactly19:25
BLZbubbabut compellant doesn't do nas at all IIRC, so you are kind of hosed without something in th emiddle19:25
zykes-it does SAN19:25
zykes-so I guess fix something that can use that ;p19:25
BLZbubbayeah you could put fiber in all your compute nodes19:26
zykes-we've got that already (old vmware cluster=19:26
zykes-as I said that's the reason for wanting to add FC support asap ;p19:26
zykes-but i'm a bit novice at implementing it, I can do the cinder driver, that's the easy part19:27
BLZbubbaif it were me i would just export the whole compellant volume to a linux machine and run cinder and/or NFS on it - for now19:27
BLZbubbabut hacking a proper solution would be lots of fun!19:27
zykes-BLZbubba: shouldn't be that hard I guess19:28
zykes-but i'm wondering how I should share out the disk, use like cluster lvm or something19:28
BLZbubbayeah conceptually it's easy but what kind of api support does compellant have?19:28
zykes-or just plain lvm's19:28
zykes-BLZbubba: ssh access at least19:28
zykes-;)19:28
BLZbubbarm -rf lvm19:28
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Ryan_Laneare the ceilometer folks around?19:30
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zykes-BLZbubba: how would you represent the disks on the compute side?19:31
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BLZbubbazykes-: well i was thinking about doing this for our equallogic; there is an API to create & manage iscsi targets19:32
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zykes-BLZbubba: I think there's a driver already for eqallogic19:33
BLZbubbacool so just clone that for whatever api compellant provides19:33
BLZbubbahopefully ti doesn't use telnet like equalogic @$^@$19:34
zykes-ti ?19:34
zykes-ah19:34
BLZbubbait :P19:34
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zykes-how should oen represent the volume on the compute side though after it's been created at the compellent ?19:35
zykes-I mean I guess I wouldn't want to mount up like 100 volumes from the san since it would be a devicec nightmare?19:35
BLZbubbai wouldn't want to do that by hand19:36
BLZbubbai haven't used cinder yet, doesn't it just use iscsiadm on the client side?19:36
zykes-I mean, if you create a new volume on the compellent side for the vm, then usually it will show up as a block device on the compute node no ?19:37
BLZbubbaright19:37
zykes-wondering if there's a way to avoid that19:37
BLZbubbanfs :P19:37
zykes-again, crappy performance on 1 gb network :p19:38
zykes-maybe deploy some udev rule or smth to set the device name19:38
BLZbubbathat is cinder's job isn't it19:38
zykes-any nova folks around or someone with suggestions ?19:38
EmilienMjgriffith: ping19:39
jgriffithEmilienM: pong19:39
zykes-BLZbubba: cinders job I think is to create the volume SAN side and export it to the correct compute node19:39
EmilienMjgriffith: Hi Sir.19:39
jgriffithEmilienM: How are ya?19:39
EmilienMjgriffith: very good, thx. And you ?19:39
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jgriffithEmilienM: goood19:39
jgriffithEmilienM: What can I do for ya?19:39
zykes-suggestions jgriffith ? I'll be glad to code it19:40
BLZbubbaright i would expect that that is all abstracted from the driver and should magically work19:40
BLZbubbai really need to try cinder here one of these days19:40
jgriffithBLZbubba: It's *just like* nova-volume19:40
EmilienMjgriffith: I would like to know more about the specificities if I want to create a new plugin for Cinder19:40
jgriffithEmilienM: What sort of plugin are you thinking of?19:40
EmilienMjgriffith: for a storage solution19:40
BLZbubbai haven't used nova-volume yet either19:40
jgriffithBLZbubba: Ahhh :)  Ok, then never mind19:41
BLZbubba:)19:41
EmilienMjgriffith: a plugin that we can compare to solidfire19:41
jgriffithBLZbubba: it's just like Cinder :)19:41
EmilienMjgriffith: or netapp19:41
BLZbubbalol19:41
jgriffithEmilienM: Oh... so a driver19:41
EmilienMjgriffith: sorry. my bad :)19:41
jgriffithEmilienM: No worries19:41
BLZbubbaideally i would like a version of nova-volume that just truncated a file on NFS instead of using lvm19:41
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EmilienMjgriffith: I don't know how to develop it, but I have someone who can do it19:42
jgriffithBLZbubba: We kinda have that now19:42
dolphmayoung: on that front, i'm running into the same headache as you... with sqlite://, an INSERT immediately following the corresponding CREATE TABLE is failing because the table doesnt' exist19:42
EmilienMjgriffith: and I can help him with OpenStack bits19:42
BLZbubbajgriffith: oh yeah?19:42
jgriffithEmilienM: I'm happy to help19:42
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: Correct Intended Audience  https://review.openstack.org/1469919:42
zykes-jgriffith: but not me ? :)19:42
BLZbubbajgriffith: as part of cinder or a different project?19:42
jgriffithBLZbubba: Cinder, yes19:42
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jgriffithzykes-: I'm willing to help you as well if you want to write the driver19:43
zykes-jgriffith: I'll make the driver, no problemo19:43
jgriffithzykes-: It just seemed you were more interested in why it wasn't done already :)19:43
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zykes-or at least do my best to do it :)19:43
ayoungdolphm, yeah, am trying to isolate the change to make that work19:43
jgriffithzykes-: We should get you synced up with the HP folks that have the same desire19:43
zykes-jgriffith: what i'm more interested in is how we do it in the compute side19:43
jgriffithzykes-: I'll get some contact info together for you at tomorrows meeting and see where things go19:44
EmilienMjgriffith: the first step for me is to get something basic first19:44
jgriffithzykes-: Libvirt support NPVI19:44
zykes-jgriffith: npvi ?19:44
* zykes- goes to the G19:44
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zykes-npiv i guess19:45
jgriffithzykes-: OOps.. yeah, sorry :)19:45
zykes-wonders what that does19:46
dhellmannRyan_Lane: the ceilometer team usually hangs out in #openstack-metering19:48
Ryan_Laneah19:48
Ryan_Lanecool19:48
Ryan_Lanethanks19:48
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zykes-jgriffith: you think it would be possible without npiv ?19:49
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jgriffithzykes-: Might be, but would be harder.  TBH I haven't spent much time looking at this, not high on my priority list19:49
zykes-;p19:50
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zykes-jgriffith: which folks @ hp is it ?19:50
jgriffithzykes-: The folks in the 3par group.  Should have some names tomorrow19:51
zykes-ok :)19:51
zykes-danke19:51
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koolhead17danwent, here19:53
danwenthey19:54
koolhead17danwent, so i was saying did some modification as cloud repo has released19:55
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danwentah, yes.  i think there are issues with the version of OVS that shipped with quantal though19:55
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danwentas apparently they removed DKMS support, which breaks tunneling19:55
danwentit looks like the ubuntu folks are on it though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/106836519:56
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1068365 in openvswitch "openvswitch gre tunnels not working in quantal" [Critical,In progress]19:56
koolhead17danwent, i am using/pointing guide to folsom19:57
koolhead17and using 12.0419:57
zykes-eyy danwent !19:57
koolhead17LTS19:57
koolhead17danwent, you think it will work with it?19:57
danwentkoolhead17: in that case, I think we're good.19:57
danwentas 12.04 should be fine19:58
koolhead17cool.19:58
zykes-danwent: feeling chatty?19:59
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danwentzykes-: i have the technical committee meeting in 1 minute19:59
zykes-ah19:59
danwenti think19:59
koolhead17danwent, still if someone from your team/side gives a shot and tests it, and reverifies the doc it makes life easier :)19:59
danwentassuming there is a meeting today19:59
danwentkoolhead17: k, thanks.  will take a look19:59
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koolhead17danwent, that be great!!20:00
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koolhead17danwent, docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/install_ubuntu.html <-- this one i meant :)20:03
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danwentyup20:04
danwentkoolhead17: yup20:04
koolhead17:)20:04
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ayoungdolphm, any progress?  I tried changing the thread pool, but no luck so far20:07
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dolphmayoung: i was just about to try that20:08
dolphmayoung: actually that totally worked for me20:09
dolphmayoung: switched from nullpool to singletonthreadpool20:09
ayoungruh?20:09
ayoungAh,  I was trying static20:09
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dolphmayoung: bonus performance improvement: 14s to run identity sql tests on disk, 5 seconds in memory (on an ssd)20:11
heckjnice20:11
dolphmso, that should be a bigger delta on platters20:11
ayoungdolphm, ok,  you are hereby declared  theSQL Alchemist20:11
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ayoungdolphm, what did you actually change?20:12
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* heckj is kind of curious on that myself20:12
dolphmayoung: engine creation in sql core looks for the 'sqlite://' connection string itself, and opts for something other than nullpool20:13
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ayoungdolphm, yeah, I was doing that...post your patch if you would20:13
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dolphmayoung: heckj: and then in SqlIdentity test setUp, I pass the engine created by the driver into the keystone.common.sql.ModelBase.metadata.create_all(existing_engine)20:14
dolphmayoung: i'll post as wip20:14
heckjwow - that's buried in there!20:15
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dolphmheckj: ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14704/20:16
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dolphmayoung: heckj: $ ./run_tests.sh -x -N test_backend_sql:SqlIdentity20:17
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ayoungdolphm, so the one thing is that I would leave this in util, so we can share it with other tests20:17
dolphmayoung: yeah, it's time to elegantize the answer :)20:18
dolphmayoung: just posted what i had at the moment20:18
ayoung            if CONF.sql.connection == 'sqlite://':20:18
ayoung151                engine_config['poolclass'] = sqlalchemy.pool.SingletonThreadPool20:18
ayoung152            else:20:18
ayoung153                engine_config['poolclass'] = sqlalchemy.pool.NullPool20:18
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/quantum: Update default base database to be V2  https://review.openstack.org/1467220:18
ayoungI am not sure that NullPool is ever what we want20:18
ayoungI think just   if CONF.sql.connection == 'sqlite://':20:19
ayoung<ayoung>    151                 engine_config['poolclass'] = sqlalchemy.pool.SingletonThreadPool20:19
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ayoungotherwise leave it as is20:19
ayoungOK,  I'm going to leave that to you dolphm .  Nice work.20:19
dolphmayoung: i have no idea what the implications of nullpool vs singletonthreadpool are... they both sound like the same thing at first glance20:21
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ayoungdolphm, nor do I know why that check was put in the get_engine function20:22
ayoungBut people should not be using sqlite in product.  Doesn't mean that they won't, though.  So your change is the more conservative, and should be preserved20:22
dolphmayoung: docs to the rescue -- NullPool closes the connection, and when it does, sqlite:// vanishes20:22
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ayoungUm...yuck20:23
ayoungdolphm, I had a bunch of changes that actually ran through the upgrade code instead of the version you are doing.  Once your change is in, I'll rebase mine with it  and we can make sure tests are run against the same DB as we use for production20:24
dolphmayoung: heckj: StaticPool might work for all our uses for sqlite20:24
dolphm(testing + development)20:24
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ayoungdolphm, I would think so.20:32
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jog0vishy: for 3rd party APIs what about metadata serivices?20:45
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Fixes Ilegal chunk encoding by the test_client  https://review.openstack.org/1463820:50
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ayoungdolphm, heckj I suspect that the SQL issue dolphm is working on is causing failures like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14478/20:52
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vishyjog0: we will have to make it pluggable in the ec2 case20:53
ayoungthat resolves to a time out issue,  I suspect because the SQL tests are taking too long to run on ext220:53
dolphmayoung: not causing, but a potential workaround to*20:53
vishydo any other 3rd party apis have a metadata service yet?20:53
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jog0vishy:  we haven't implimented the GCE metadata service yet20:53
heckjayoung: yep, I agree20:54
jog0vishy:  but it does have its own20:54
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Fix scrubber not scrubbing with swift backend  https://review.openstack.org/1362720:54
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vishyjog0: interesting. Is it 169.254.169.254 based?20:54
vishyjog0: or a totally different implementation?20:54
danwentnati_ueno: have you created a separate BP for the iptables work associated with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-security-groups20:54
nati_uenodanwent: Not yet. OK I'll create it now20:55
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danwentnati_ueno: thx.  please set target to grizzly-120:55
nati_uenodanwent: gotcha20:56
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jog0vishy:  https://developers.google.com/compute/docs/metadata20:58
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gatuuswhat's the reason of nova-cert??20:59
vishygatuus: to generate certs!20:59
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gatuusok,,,20:59
vishygatuus: certs are used to encrypt images for ec2 upload bundle commands21:00
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gatuusohhh nice explanation.. vishy: thanks21:01
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vishyjog0: http://metadata.google.internal21:01
vishyjog0: how the hell does that work? I guess their dhcp server is handing out a dns record that resolves that?21:02
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vishyjog0: any idea what it resolves to by default?21:02
jog0vishy:  yea, we can just add something in hosts21:02
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/cinder: Add the generation of the username and password for iSCSI target.  https://review.openstack.org/1459421:28
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/keystone: Fixes Bug 1063852  https://review.openstack.org/1416721:29
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1063852 in keystone "Default to PKI tokens" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106385221:29
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-glanceclient: Add OpenStack trove classifier for PyPI  https://review.openstack.org/1464321:29
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix bug in a test for the scheduler DiskFilter.  https://review.openstack.org/1466921:29
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nati_uenodanwent: where can I get subteam IRC meetings ?21:31
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danwentnati_ueno: which subteam?21:33
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danwentother than the lbaas stuff posted here (http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/LBaaS), I don't know of any sub-team meetings, and if there are, they should be posted better21:34
nati_uenodanwent: Ah I got it. I may misunderstand that each subteam will have meeting21:35
nati_uenodanwent: Thanks21:35
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danwentnati_ueno: no, think of it more as how the main openstack team meeting has sections for each project (keystone, nova, cinder, quantum, horizon, etc.)21:36
danwentthe quantum mtg might go through each sub-team21:36
nati_uenodanwent: It make sense21:36
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Remove duplicate methods from network/rpcapi.py  https://review.openstack.org/1469621:51
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jog0vishy: when  should nova-volumes be removed from master? Now or hold off  for a while?  As it is deprecated in Folsom and Out in Grizzly.22:11
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mordredjog0, vishy: related question - can we confirm that it's ok to stop testing nova-volume on master?22:16
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jog0mordred,vishy: presumably we should do both at the same time.22:16
mordredwell, we can do "stop testing" before we do "remove code" .. but yeah22:17
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Track unlinks of async_pendings.  https://review.openstack.org/1454522:19
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/swift: Two MIME types sent during test  https://review.openstack.org/1466222:19
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix nova-volume-usage-audit  https://review.openstack.org/1428822:19
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/glance: Merge in update openstack-common policy code  https://review.openstack.org/1431022:20
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Move mkfs from libvirt.utils to utils  https://review.openstack.org/1468122:20
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vishymordred: it will go out as soon as i write the patch22:43
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harlowjawhy nobody like my canon code, lol22:52
harlowjahaha22:52
harlowjahaters :-p22:52
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jog0vishy: if you want I can write the nova-volume removal patch22:59
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vishyjog0: and steal my lines removed!23:01
vishy:o23:01
mordredvishy: so we can get rid of the nova-volume testing? (your patch, I think, won't land if we haven't removed that testin gyet)23:01
vishymordred: yes we can remove it on trunk23:02
mordredexcellent23:03
mordredjeblair: ^^23:03
jog0vishy: you figured out my plan23:03
jog0vishy:  its all yours23:03
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anon12345_how do you access and look at entries in the database via command line in keystone?23:04
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jeblairmordred: ock23:04
jeblairack even23:04
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dolphmanon12345_: try $ keystone help23:12
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anon12345_it looks like those tables arent showing everything though, like service id and pass in extra23:33
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix bad Log statement in nova-manage  https://review.openstack.org/1468523:59
nati_uenodanwent: Hi Are you there?23:59

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