| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo-incubator: Add PathFilter to rootwrap. https://review.openstack.org/25811 | 00:01 |
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| vkmc | :) | 00:06 |
| zykes- | vkmc: yo | 00:07 |
| zykes- | got some time tmrw for a chat ? | 00:07 |
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| vkmc | zykes-, o/ | 00:07 |
| vkmc | zykes-, Of course | 00:07 |
| zykes- | reed: yo | 00:07 |
| zykes- | are there slide templates available reed ? | 00:07 |
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| reed | zykes-, for what? | 00:09 |
| reed | I have a template that I use for openstack slides, ODP: do you want it? | 00:10 |
| zykes- | very much yes reed :) | 00:10 |
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| reed | if anybody wants it https://www.dropbox.com/s/4j6za4hp05dja8u/openstack-presentation-template-community.otp | 00:11 |
| reed | it's based on a template by the LibreOffice Foundation, changed a few colors, background and palette IIRC | 00:12 |
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| marun | markmcclain: What about the transifex translations requires manual review? Seems silly to bother reviewing unless there is criteria for doing so. | 00:14 |
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| jhesketh_ | Just wondering if anybody has some time to help with my first patch here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1028494 . I'm a bit stuck | 00:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1028494 in nova "Flavors list results not limited on database server-side" [Low,In progress] | 00:28 |
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| clarkb | jhesketh_: you might also try asking #openstack-nova | 00:34 |
| jhesketh_ | okay, thanks clarkb | 00:34 |
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| dtroyer | sdague: if you are around can you have a quick look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25939/? It should clear up the prettytable/ordering ttrouble | 00:42 |
| sdague | dtroyer: lgtm | 00:44 |
| sdague | and now dinner, so probably won't be back on tonight | 00:44 |
| dtroyer | np, thanks | 00:45 |
| openstackstatus | NOTICE: Restarting gerrit to try to correct an error condition in the stackforge/diskimage-builder repo | 00:48 |
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| openstackstatus | NOTICE: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25939/ should fix the prettytable dependency problem when merged (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1163631) | 01:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1163631 in nova "gate-tempest-devstack-vm-full failing with prettytable problem" [Undecided,New] | 01:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: Add RabbitMQ and QPID HA support flags to quantum.conf https://review.openstack.org/25389 | 07:25 |
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| enikanorov_ | garyk: hi. | 08:23 |
| garyk | enikanorov_: hi, whats up? | 08:24 |
| enikanorov_ | wanted do discuss a bug about hanging namespaces | 08:24 |
| enikanorov_ | you've -1'd the patch so i wander if you have ideas how to fix the issue in any other way | 08:25 |
| garyk | ok. i was in the process of writing a comment. | 08:25 |
| enikanorov_ | in fact, the solution on review is a workaround, not a fix | 08:25 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, great | 08:25 |
| garyk | are you aware of the binary quantum-netns-cleanup? | 08:25 |
| enikanorov_ | yeah | 08:25 |
| garyk | this is meant to be run periodically in the background to purge namespaces that are no longer used. if this was run would it remove the namespace that failed? | 08:26 |
| enikanorov_ | hm. good question. i didn't try that. Looking at the code I would guess that it should. | 08:27 |
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| enikanorov_ | however it looks like it's more dhcp-specific | 08:28 |
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| enikanorov_ | the issue it self looks very strange. resources within namespace are properly deleted, but ip netns delete fails. | 08:30 |
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| garyk | enikanorov_: my main concern is that when there is a failuer with the deletion it is impossible to access the namespace again | 08:32 |
| enikanorov_ | that's true unless you delete it | 08:32 |
| enikanorov_ | in fact after you try to delete it and it fails | 08:33 |
| garyk | enikanorov_: i agree that the quantum-netns-cleanup may be dhcp centric, but maybe we should extend it to work with the rest of the agents | 08:33 |
| enikanorov_ | it clears permissions from /var/run/netns/name | 08:33 |
| enikanorov_ | which makes namespace unusable | 08:33 |
| garyk | problem is that if the deleteion fails then it is also impossible to delete it (this is what i encountered a few months ago) | 08:33 |
| enikanorov_ | but still delete works | 08:33 |
| enikanorov_ | no, i didn't encounter such problem | 08:34 |
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| garyk | the problem used to occur with the l3 agent when a route was deleted. i'll try and reproduce to show it to you | 08:34 |
| enikanorov_ | anyway, if you could play with the script attached to the bug, may be you'll get some ideas of what's happening | 08:35 |
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| enikanorov_ | the script repros the issue in 100% cases (ubuntu lts 12 + devstack) | 08:36 |
| garyk | enikanorov_: ok. i'll check it out. | 08:38 |
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| garyk | enikanorov_: i have added my comments | 09:07 |
| enikanorov_ | thanks | 09:08 |
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| roz | Hi all I am going to add a feature to an existing API extensions, I am adding a new PUT call and changing the return values for the existing GET call. Do I need to create a brand new extension? | 09:12 |
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| brainzest | Hello. I am facing issues while installing devstack. I am using ubuntu 12.04. | 11:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | what error did you get? | 11:40 |
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| brainzest | on running ./stack.sh it ends with 2013-04-03 16:57:40 python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory | 11:44 |
| brainzest | ++ failed | 11:44 |
| brainzest | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 ++ local r=2 | 11:44 |
| brainzest | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 +++ jobs -p | 11:44 |
| brainzest | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 ++ kill | 11:44 |
| brainzest | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 ++ set +o xtrace | 11:44 |
| brainzest | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 stack.sh failed: | 11:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, thats a new one on me | 11:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably need a bit more of that trace | 11:45 |
| brainzest | shall i send u the log file? | 11:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | paste.openstack.org? | 11:47 |
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| brainzest | Paste #35200 | 11:49 |
| brainzest | http://paste.openstack.org/show/35200/ | 11:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Ah, this is the error | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2013-04-03 16:38:12 + git clone https://github.com/openstack/nova.git /opt/stack/nova | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2013-04-03 16:38:12 Cloning into '/opt/stack/nova'... | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 error: RPC failed; result=56, HTTP code = 200 | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 fatal: early EOF | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2013-04-03 16:57:40 fatal: index-pack failed | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks like a git bug outage | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | github^ | 11:50 |
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| zigo_ | After I run "keystone-manage pki_setup", which file should I use for my client "export OS_CACERT=" thing? I tried /etc/keystone/ssl/certs/ca.pem but it doesn't work. What is needed on the client side? | 11:52 |
| brainzest | So how to debug this | 11:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | brainzest, it sounds bad, but I would just run it again, with any luck it will be fine this time | 11:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | so ./unstack.sh or whatever it is called first | 11:53 |
| brainzest | thanks | 11:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | brainzest: np | 11:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | zigo_: devstack might have some hints for you: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/openrc | 11:54 |
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| zigo_ | johnthetubaguy: Thanks, but it appears that devstack OS_CACERT points to an empty file!!! | 11:56 |
| zigo_ | I mean, non-existant file. | 11:57 |
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| zigo_ | The only thing that worked for me was using token_format=UUID in keystone.conf, which isn't really satisfying... :/ | 11:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | zigo_: hmm, OK, sorry not really dug into the new keystone stuff | 12:00 |
| zigo_ | johnthetubaguy: That thing annoyed me for 2 days until I understood what the problem was (eg: not in my Debian packages...). | 12:00 |
| zigo_ | annegentle: Is this documented? :D | 12:01 |
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| Aarti_ | anybody around to talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ability-to-set-disable-terminate | 12:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Aarti_: hey, seems like you want a new param for the create server API right? | 12:20 |
| Aarti_ | johnthetubaguy: looks like this is an ec2 specific attribute.. is it? | 12:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Aarti_ not sure | 12:26 |
| Aarti_ | johnthetubaguy: wondering if it should be a different extension? | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | Aarti_ probably, I am assuming they meant adding the feature to the openstack api though | 12:29 |
| Aarti_ | johnthetubaguy: yes, we intend to add it to the openstack api.. but just wondering if it should be admin only and in the core servers itself or another extension? | 12:30 |
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| koolhead17 | Aarti_: Asking the same in mailing list will be better option IMO | 12:36 |
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| annegentle | zigo_: we should definitely log a doc bug to make sure that doesn't trip up others. The description is "Debian packaging doesn't support keystone-manage pki_setup " | 13:01 |
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| Aarti_ | koolhead17: ok..will do | 13:10 |
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| zigo_ | annegentle: Why would the debian package not support it??? | 13:13 |
| zigo_ | It does. | 13:13 |
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| zigo_ | It's just that I don't know how to manage that on the client side. | 13:13 |
| annegentle | zigo_: ah it's that it's currently broken | 13:13 |
| annegentle | er | 13:13 |
| zigo_ | Oh... | 13:13 |
| annegentle | zigo_: sorry I still don't know what the doc bug is | 13:13 |
| zigo_ | annegentle: "Document how to setup the client side of the keystone PKI setup using export OS_CACERT=" | 13:14 |
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| annegentle | zigo_: Description: "Add a note to debian install section that you cannot use pki for keystone" <-- is that right? | 13:15 |
| annegentle | zigo_: ah! | 13:15 |
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| annegentle | zigo_: did you have to create a ca-chain.pem file? How did you do that? | 13:17 |
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| annegentle | zigo_: or did you have existing certificates you could point to? | 13:18 |
| annegentle | zigo_: actually http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/certificates-for-pki.html tells you more about generating files | 13:20 |
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| ttx | annegentle: I'm subscribed to wiki changes for some pages but I never got notified when changes happen... Did you notice the same issue ? | 13:25 |
| ttx | or maybe that's not how "Watch" is supposed to work | 13:25 |
| annegentle | ttx: hm | 13:27 |
| annegentle | ttx: you know I don't get notifications any more either from the wiki | 13:27 |
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| annegentle | ttx: I'm seeing my special:watchlist page contains no changes, even though I have pages that I'm watching. | 13:34 |
| annegentle | ttx: this looks like a bug to me | 13:35 |
| annegentle | Special:Watchlist | 13:35 |
| annegentle | ttx: hm. well there haven't been any changes since mar 21 for my watched pages | 13:35 |
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| annegentle | ttx: and yes, I did not get an emailed notification when a watched page changed | 13:36 |
| zigo_ | annegentle: This page documents the *keystone server* side, what I don't know is the *client* side (eg: nova client). | 13:37 |
| zigo_ | annegentle: My Debian package is calling keystone-manage pkg_setup, so on my side, this doesn't even have to be documented! :P | 13:38 |
| ttx | annegentle: ok, we should ask Ryan_Lane about this | 13:38 |
| zigo_ | Though client side, yes. | 13:38 |
| annegentle | zigo_: so that link above indicates what to do on client side. It seems like you have to generate it yourself? | 13:38 |
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| zigo_ | annegentle: no, that link above tells how to setup keystone PKI infrastructure. | 13:44 |
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| zigo_ | It doesn't tell what to put in OS_CACERT. | 13:44 |
| annegentle | zigo_: ok. So the work flow is: 1. installer installs keystone, 2. runs keystone-manage pki_setup 3. makes a cert file? | 13:44 |
| zigo_ | (in a ~/.bashrc for example) | 13:44 |
| zigo_ | 1. & 2. yes | 13:45 |
| annegentle | zigo_: oh the installer only does 1. and 2. above. The users need to do 3. | 13:45 |
| zigo_ | 3. would be: how do you setup the client | 13:45 |
| zigo_ | Yes. | 13:45 |
| zigo_ | Well, *MY* debian package postinst does 1 and 2. | 13:45 |
| zigo_ | I don't know on the Ubuntu side of things ... :P | 13:45 |
| zigo_ | I have to go (baby bath time...). | 13:46 |
| annegentle | zigo_: and how did you discover what 2 does? | 13:46 |
| annegentle | zigo_: hee, completely understand! | 13:46 |
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| annegentle | zigo_: fwiw, bug logged for CLI manual: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1163938 | 13:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1163938 in openstack-manuals "Document how to setup the client side of the keystone PKI setup using export OS_CACERT=" [Undecided,New] | 13:47 |
| ttx | jd__: what about this ceilometer potential regression you mentioned to me yesterday ? | 13:48 |
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| jd__ | ttx: no time to dive so far, but a quick glance told me that it may be an actual bug since I didn't find a unit test covering the reported case; though it won't be a blocker, it's just a GET api call not working, if we don't manage to fix it we'll fix it in a stable release | 13:50 |
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| ttx | ok | 13:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-keystoneclient: Fix v3 with UUID and memcache expiring. https://review.openstack.org/24192 | 14:00 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Limit the checks for block device becoming available. https://review.openstack.org/25774 | 14:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Update latest oslo.setup. https://review.openstack.org/25890 | 14:03 |
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| ProfFalken | hi all, I'm hitting an error when running git review -s to setup my workstation, is this the correct channel or should I hang on in #openstack for an answer? | 14:06 |
| ProfFalken | the error is Exception: Could not connect to gerrit at ssh://proffalken@review.openstack.org:29418/openstack/nova.git | 14:06 |
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| zigo_ | annegentle: Thanks. | 14:34 |
| zigo_ | I can't remember how I find it out though, but read that somewhere. | 14:35 |
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| fii | Afternoon Geeks | 15:08 |
| fii | Not sure if this is the right place but we're testing devstack and getting this : | 15:08 |
| fii | <version xmlns="http://docs.openstack.org/identity/api/v2.0" status="stable" updated="2013-03-06T00:00:00Z" id="v2.0"><media-types><media-type base="application/json" type="application/vnd.openstack.identity-v2.0+json"/><media-type base="application/xml" type="application/vnd.openstack.identity-v2.0+xml"/></media-types><links><link href="http://localhost:5000/v2.0/" rel="self"/><link href="http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/2. | 15:08 |
| fii | when trying to connect to localhost:5000 | 15:08 |
| fii | Can anyone please tell us what we're doing wrong | 15:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/glance: Make is_public an argument rather than a filter. https://review.openstack.org/25190 | 15:22 |
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| rohit404 | what's a good way to check that packets from a guest are getting the right vlan tag in OVS ? | 15:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: Fix unit tests for RHEL https://review.openstack.org/25999 | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Change setup.cfg style. https://review.openstack.org/25899 | 16:50 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: Use wrappers instead of direct calls to ip route. https://review.openstack.org/25138 | 16:50 |
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| zigo_ | Is it expected that quantum's setup.py doesn't install stuff from quantum/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/ ? | 17:33 |
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| jgriffith | markwash: ping | 17:44 |
| markwash | jgriffith: pong | 17:45 |
| jgriffith | markwash: just FYI, I spoke with ZhiYan for a bit last night | 17:45 |
| jgriffith | markwash: re the email you just followed up on | 17:45 |
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| jgriffith | markwash: we plan to get together again next week, I'll make sure to shoot the details your way | 17:46 |
| markwash | sounds good | 17:46 |
| jgriffith | markwash: in a nut-shell though I think we're leaning towards making cinder more flexible to do what he wants | 17:46 |
| markwash | honestly, I really would love to not have to expose cinder volumes as images | 17:46 |
| jgriffith | markwash: hmmm... ok, maybe we should synch up sometime this week so I don't introduce conflicting ideas | 17:47 |
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| markwash | but if we have to in order to get something we want, I'm hoping we can constrain ourselves to cinder volumes, and not other types of volume-like entities | 17:48 |
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| jgriffith | markwash: hmmm... | 17:50 |
| jgriffith | markwash: so maybe we are going down the wrong path | 17:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-cinderclient: Pin prettytable versions https://review.openstack.org/25960 | 18:00 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Grab instance for migration before updating usage https://review.openstack.org/25961 | 18:00 |
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| fii | so this doesn't work on either ubuntu 12.04 or fedora | 18:07 |
| fii | After script installation, it asks you to point your web browser to your IP but it doesn't work | 18:08 |
| fii | we tried this all day and no one seems to know what the ans is | 18:08 |
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| fii | what a buncj of good developers you are | 18:09 |
| fii | go to the puppet forums and there are always people ready to ans questions | 18:09 |
| fii | why bother publicisng something that clearly doesn't work | 18:10 |
| fii | crap | 18:10 |
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| fii | waste of time | 18:10 |
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| fii | AMAZON RULES | 18:10 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/glance: Invalid reference to self in functional test test_scrubber.py https://review.openstack.org/25966 | 18:10 |
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| fii | Can someone actually confimr if this works | 18:12 |
| fii | https://review.openstack.org/25190 | 18:12 |
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| zykes- | fii: why bother coming onto a channel not only being a rude moron but also dissing people's work? Show some manners dude. | 18:13 |
| fii | oh piss off | 18:13 |
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| fii | is this the first time you've seen me asking a question | 18:14 |
| fii | why bother with something that clearly hasn't been tested | 18:14 |
| zykes- | what are you using to connect to localhost:5000 ? | 18:15 |
| fii | you're the fucking moron | 18:15 |
| fii | there's nothing to diss | 18:15 |
| marun | mordred: ping | 18:15 |
| zykes- | again fii, what do you use to connect to the localhost:5000 ? | 18:16 |
| fii | testeed using curl | 18:16 |
| fii | now the install script asked me to connect to the server IP | 18:17 |
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| zykes- | what is it that you expect to get there ? | 18:17 |
| fii | zykes-: let me speak to a human being ok | 18:17 |
| fii | out of my way please | 18:17 |
| fii | don't have time for you | 18:17 |
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| fii | this is what we're getting | 18:19 |
| fii | <version xmlns="http://docs.openstack.org/identity/api/v2.0" status="stable" updated="2013-03-06T00:00:00Z" id="v2.0"><media-types><media-type base="application/json" type="application/vnd.openstack.identity-v2.0+json"/><media-type base="application/xml" type="application/vnd.openstack.identity-v2.0+xml"/></media-types><links><link href="http://localhost:5000/v2.0/" rel="self"/><link href="http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/2. | 18:19 |
| zykes- | fii: seriously again, you're hitting the WRONG place if you want to get to a login page | 18:19 |
| fii | how do I get there ? | 18:19 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: Fix IBM copyright strings https://review.openstack.org/25957 | 18:19 |
| fii | localhost IP ? | 18:20 |
| marun | fii: Please keep the disrespect to a minimum or I'll have to find someone to kickban you. | 18:20 |
| zykes- | tried http://<server ip address> ? | 18:20 |
| fii | hey I've already tried that | 18:21 |
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| fii | marun : feel free to kickban me . Probably the only help I'll get from you today | 18:22 |
| fii | Useless bunch | 18:22 |
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| zykes- | lol | 18:23 |
| marun | fii: If you're unhappy with your lot in life, consider that you only get what you give. | 18:23 |
| zykes- | that was really entertraining | 18:23 |
| marun | fii: And taking it out on others won't solve it. | 18:23 |
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| marun | zykes-: yikes. | 18:24 |
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| zykes- | I wanted to help him but he wasn't anything but rude for each question I asked | 18:24 |
| marun | zykes-: Clearly having a bad day. | 18:25 |
| zykes- | :) | 18:25 |
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| zykes- | wonder if he'll go online again later today :p | 18:26 |
| * zykes- will be watching | 18:26 | |
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| mordred | marun: pong | 18:36 |
| mordred | marun: did you see the neat testscenarios code? | 18:36 |
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| mordred | marun: it seems like a pass through the quantum test suite and porting some things to that would probably help deal with all the plugin combinations that quantum has SUPER better | 18:36 |
| marun | mordred: Not yet - going through the flake8 conversion now. Was going to ask how to handle unused but still necessary imports. rtfm already, though (# noqa) | 18:36 |
| mordred | :) | 18:37 |
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| mordred | marun: (although we should figure out how to remove the need for imports with sideeffects - because that's just evil | 18:37 |
| marun | mordred: I will look later today at testscenarios and share your excitement soon. :) | 18:37 |
| mordred | marun: yay excitement! | 18:37 |
| mordred | marun: we shoudl also finish getting you guys ported to testr | 18:37 |
| marun | mordred: I agree with sideeffect imports. It seems to be limited to cfg and and db. It should be simple enough to require init() instead of module-level code. | 18:38 |
| marun | mordred: what still needs to be done on the testr side? | 18:38 |
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| clarkb | mordred: first step in removing imports with sideeffects is killing the way we do configs | 18:39 |
| marun | mordred: (at least with flake8 all the side-effect imports will be annotated for easy discovery) | 18:39 |
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| clarkb | marun: mordred https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24152/ does testr for quantum | 18:40 |
| clarkb | it does not add a .testr.conf though, not sure what is up with that. will probably sit down with echohead and go through it with him | 18:40 |
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| marun | clarkb: great, I love it when other people do the work. :) | 18:42 |
| mordred | marun: once that patch is merged, we'll probably need to run through several cycles of 'testr run --parallel' to make sure we catch test interactions | 18:42 |
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| marun | mordred: understood.. | 18:42 |
| marun | mordred: Hopefully this doesn't discourage the effort to get quantum's test suite under control. And I get no benefit since I run in a single-core vm. :( | 18:43 |
| clarkb | marun: thats not entirely true | 18:43 |
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| clarkb | testr also comes with subunit output | 18:44 |
| clarkb | and test run logs | 18:44 |
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| clarkb | its a richer debug environment if you dig into the tools | 18:44 |
| marun | clarkb: Apologies, I don't mean to desparage testr's other benefits. | 18:44 |
| mordred | :) | 18:44 |
| marun | clarkb: I mean I get no benefit from parallel execution. | 18:44 |
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| marun | clarkb: and that's probably the single biggest reason people want it. | 18:44 |
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| mordred | I agree | 18:45 |
| marun | clarkb: But what of this debug env you speak of? What does it do beyond --pdb/--pdb-failure/-s in concert with emacs/pdb symbolic debugging? | 18:45 |
| mordred | although I've been quite pleased with the testtools test cleanup | 18:45 |
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| vkmc | Hey mordred, do you have a moment? | 18:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: SLO multipart-manifest=get returns incorrect Content-Type https://review.openstack.org/25838 | 18:47 |
| mordred | vkmc: depends - do I owe you money? | 18:47 |
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| zykes- | good one mordred ; p | 18:47 |
| vkmc | mordred, I don't think so :p | 18:48 |
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| clarkb | marun: historical test result data | 18:49 |
| mordred | vkmc: then yes! | 18:49 |
| clarkb | it provides a lot more information which makes debugging things a lot easier imo | 18:49 |
| vkmc | mordred, Cool :) | 18:49 |
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| marun | clarkb: I can see how that would be useful. | 18:50 |
| vkmc | mordred, Well, Loic and I are organizing a session to encourage first summit attenders to have an active participation and to make them feel comfortable with the environment from the beginning | 18:50 |
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| vkmc | mordred, http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/30f87c2397567c5e105c30ce01b325f5#.UVxzNJBDvb8 | 18:50 |
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| vkmc | mordred, And we're planning to do some role play games... with common summit situations | 18:51 |
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| vkmc | mordred, We're looking with people with experience and acting skills | 18:51 |
| vkmc | mordred, A little bird told me to contact you | 18:51 |
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| mordred | vkmc: yeah - I might have some of those | 18:51 |
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| vkmc | mordred, Probably you have some important sessions to attend during the summit, but it would be awesome if you can give us a hand with some acting games | 18:52 |
| mordred | vkmc: I'd love to help out :) | 18:52 |
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| vkmc | If anyone want to be part of this too, please let me know :) | 18:52 |
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| vkmc | mordred, Thanks :) It won't take you much time, I promise... we're going to perform two common situations, not more than that... probably 10 minutes | 18:54 |
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| vkmc | mordred, To give you an idea of what we would need... we thought about the following situation | 18:56 |
| vkmc | mordred, "You are a skilled network engineer and have used OpenStack for a while. You are in a Quantum session in the middle of a heated discussion between the PTL and someone from the audience. You have a valuable idea. What do you do?" | 18:56 |
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| vkmc | So one has to perform as the PTL, another one the guy from the audience (more stubborn the better) and, of course, the newcomer | 18:57 |
| clarkb | mordred is good at stubborn | 18:57 |
| vkmc | Hahaha | 18:57 |
| vkmc | That part would need a good actor, so probably you can take that one mordred | 18:58 |
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| * mordred is never stubborn | 18:58 | |
| mordred | :) | 18:58 |
| ttx | I usually smash the guy talking using my laptop case | 18:58 |
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| vkmc | ttx, Nice alternative :p | 19:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix a typo in attach_interface error path https://review.openstack.org/26021 | 19:04 |
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| vkmc | Ok, well, we'll be organizing that session tomorrow at 2pm CEST at #openstack-101 and we will have a more concrete schedule for it then :) Feel free to join us | 19:06 |
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| vkmc | Thanks! | 19:06 |
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| ayoung | annegentle, if I make changes to https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/src/docbkx/common/identity-admin.wadl how can I test that my changes are valid? | 19:31 |
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| annegentle | ayoung: for validation of WADL, you could use the Rackbook extension for Oxygen, an XML editor. Run the java web start version from http://docs.rackspace.com/oxygen. Let me know if you have questions. | 19:34 |
| ayoung | annegentle, I have a question. Is this the preferred solution? | 19:34 |
| annegentle | ayoung: that's for XML validation | 19:34 |
| annegentle | ayoung: you could also build it within a docbook file | 19:35 |
| annegentle | ayoung: what's your end goal? | 19:35 |
| ayoung | annegentle, yeah, that is more what I am looking for | 19:35 |
| annegentle | ayoung: ah, to see what it looks like in tables? | 19:35 |
| ayoung | annegentle, I need to update some of the API documentation | 19:35 |
| ayoung | and I need to see the end state | 19:35 |
| annegentle | ayoung: or to see it on api.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 19:35 |
| ayoung | annegentle, we are trying to declare the Keystone 2.0 API as stable, and I need to add in at least 2 apis that I am aware of. | 19:36 |
| ayoung | So it will end up on api.openstack.org/api-ref.html after merge | 19:36 |
| ttx | notmyname: planning to update the release notes later today ? Swift and Glance are the last two empty sections ;) | 19:37 |
| annegentle | ayoung: in the identity-api/openstack-identity-api/ directory there's a pom.xml file. That's the build file. Run "mvn clean generate-sources" from within the directory with the pom.xml. | 19:37 |
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| annegentle | ayoung: that one will not, no | 19:37 |
| notmyname | ttx: yup | 19:37 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, great | 19:37 |
| annegentle | ayoung: for keystone on api-ref.html, we only include end-user commands, no admin api commands | 19:37 |
| ayoung | annegentle, OK, that is fine. I just need to get the official documentation up to date | 19:38 |
| annegentle | ayoung: that would be FAB | 19:39 |
| ayoung | :) | 19:39 |
| ayoung | I live to serve, milady. (makes sweeping bow) | 19:39 |
| annegentle | ayoung: I tried to make one long guide instead of multiple ones with this abandoned patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15925/ | 19:40 |
| annegentle | ayoung: for months I tell ya | 19:40 |
| annegentle | ayoung: so what it does now is multiple "book" outputs | 19:40 |
| annegentle | ayoung: since the extensions are all teh same names | 19:40 |
| annegentle | ayoung: just in different folders | 19:40 |
| annegentle | ayoung: there may have been prior attempts looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/identity-api,n,z | 19:41 |
| ayoung | annegentle, My goals are none so lofty. | 19:41 |
| annegentle | ayoung: I'm all about just getting to accurate :) | 19:41 |
| ayoung | Just to get the existing docs in line with the shipped code....maybe that is lofty after all | 19:41 |
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| annegentle | ayoung: nah I think it's do-able | 19:42 |
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| termie | ayoung: we've branched out for release and everything so i can start in on wide sweeping changes to keystone now, right? | 19:49 |
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| ayoung | termie, yeah, I think so. We need to explicitly merge over changes for Grizzly based RCs from here on out, so I would think master should be havana code now | 19:49 |
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| zykes- | gonna be lots of changes or to KS ? | 19:50 |
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| ayoung | termie, meant to ask you...what is your view on what should be done with the bearer tokens? Leave them as is, or somehow upgrade the mechanism? Replace it with something else? | 19:54 |
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| termie | ayoung: i would just add another mechanism | 19:55 |
| termie | ayoung: breaking backwards compat is lamesauce | 19:55 |
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| termie | ayoung: i also don't like adding features or code, if that helps you pre-estimate my opinions | 19:55 |
| ayoung | do you have a preference on which mechanism to use? | 19:56 |
| termie | ayoung: i'd toss an extension in there that allows signed requests | 19:56 |
| ayoung | so the same general token format we have now, but with an embedded public key? | 19:57 |
| termie | ayoung: i'm a fan of public-key stuff because it is easy to cache and validate without making a roundtrip | 19:57 |
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| termie | ayoung: probably something along those lines | 19:57 |
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| termie | ayoung: ideally you wouldn't really be using a "token", you would just asset your credentials | 19:58 |
| termie | ayoung: and the service can verify with keystone | 19:59 |
| termie | s/assert/ | 19:59 |
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| termie | ayoung: but it could basically be the same thing as now, signed by keystone then signed by you | 19:59 |
| ayoung | termie, OK, that was pretty much what I was thinking. I wasn't thinking that it needed to be in an extension as we can add a key to the current data without breaking things. | 20:01 |
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| termie | ayoung: write things as extensions first | 20:01 |
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| termie | ayoung: it's a good way to make sure your extension mechanism works and that your idea is god | 20:02 |
| termie | good | 20:02 |
| ayoung | termie, yeah, I see your point there. | 20:02 |
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| termie | ayoung: nova fucked themselves pretty badly on that | 20:02 |
| ayoung | termie, so there is already a credential concept in Keystone with the EC2 credentials. Would it make sense to build on top of that, or have a separate key pair? | 20:04 |
| * ayoung would rather not build a duplicate credentials API | 20:04 | |
| termie | ayoung: similar approach would be fine | 20:04 |
| termie | ayoung: it doesn't work exactly the same way as the ec2 stuff hands back a normal token | 20:04 |
| termie | ayoung: one could probably make a generalized "credential storage" api | 20:05 |
| termie | ayoung: that these sorts of extensions could leverage | 20:05 |
| ayoung | termie, I was referring to the credentials CRUD stuff... I haven't looked closely at it, but...there is the start of one in contrib/ec2 | 20:06 |
| ayoung | Just has get and delete | 20:06 |
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| termie | ayoung: i would not use the same backend as ec2, no, but it might make sense to make a new general purpose backend and have ec2 use taht | 20:06 |
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| ayoung | and create | 20:06 |
| ayoung | ok.... | 20:07 |
| chmouel | to keystone v3 guys if I received only a legacy_endpoint_id to my v3 services catalog does that mean i can use it only with prev3 or just it that the service was created for v2 and can still use that? | 20:07 |
| termie | wtf is a legacy endpoint it | 20:09 |
| termie | s/it/id/ | 20:09 |
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| chmouel | that's what i am geting when doing a scoped v3 token req | 20:10 |
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| lifeless | jgriffith: so hi | 20:10 |
| termie | i wish we could get rid of 'unscoped' as an idea | 20:11 |
| jgriffith | lifeless: hey ya | 20:11 |
| chmouel | do you mean like in ksl ;) | 20:12 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: so - problem statement | 20:13 |
| ayoung | termie, so my thought on "unscoped" was that it should be reserved for operations that can only be performed on Keystone. And that onlyu and unscoped token can get a scoped token. | 20:14 |
| ayoung | only an unscoped... | 20:14 |
| ayoung | the idea is that you can never get a more general token than you already have. | 20:14 |
| termie | ayoung: just make a default tenant, call it "keystone", and have that assigned if you don't send in a tenant with your request | 20:14 |
| termie | ayoung: overthinking the problem | 20:14 |
| ayoung | termie, actually, solving a different problem | 20:15 |
| ayoung | termie, I was thinking this | 20:15 |
| termie | ayoung: one that doesn't exist | 20:15 |
| ayoung | unscoped tokens can live a long time, as they are always validated against keystone | 20:15 |
| ayoung | but scoped tokens should live a short time, and only get validated via the PKI approach | 20:15 |
| termie | nonono | 20:15 |
| termie | removal of 'unscoped' as a concept: good | 20:16 |
| termie | making it actually mean something: bad | 20:16 |
| ayoung | ha! | 20:16 |
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| ayoung | termie, I'd be OK with getting rid of it if we also got rid of "use a token to get a token" | 20:16 |
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| ayoung | but that means caching credentials in Horizon | 20:17 |
| termie | ayoung: yeah, that only exists because of people misunderstanding tokens | 20:17 |
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| termie | ayoung: with delegated auth horizon works the way it is supposed to ;) | 20:19 |
| termie | "would you like horizon to be able to act as you?" "yes" "cool, horizon can now do your bits" | 20:19 |
| ayoung | termie, I'm not quite sure what you are proposing that Horizon do for its initial authentication of users, then. | 20:20 |
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| termie | ayoung: oauth flow | 20:20 |
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| termie | ayoung: like every other website that depends on another service | 20:21 |
| termie | ayoung: example: https://coderwall.com/ | 20:21 |
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| ayoung | Since horizon does not have a user database, it is currently just passing the uid/password to Keystone and getting back a token, potentially unscoped. What would it do instead? Forward over to a keystone ui page? | 20:22 |
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| termie | ayoung: do you know what would happen if you signed into that site? | 20:22 |
| termie | ayoung: (coderwall, that i just sent you) | 20:22 |
| ayoung | termie, it gave me threee options, one of which was github | 20:23 |
| ayoung | twitter and linked being the other | 20:23 |
| termie | ayoung: if you click that you'll go to github, authorize and come back | 20:23 |
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| termie | ayoung: so yes, it would mean putting a web interface on keystone to make it go nicely | 20:23 |
| ayoung | termie, OK... | 20:23 |
| bknudson | can I log in with my facebook? | 20:24 |
| termie | ayoung: but horizon would just have a token, whenever you sign into it you would get run through to keystone | 20:24 |
| ayoung | termie, so...I've been thinking along those lines myself | 20:24 |
| termie | ayoung: i know, i commented on your patchj | 20:24 |
| ayoung | not for the auth, mind you, but on getting a decent hateoas setup. | 20:24 |
| ayoung | termie, ah...need to go read .... | 20:24 |
| termie | ayoung: never say that word again | 20:24 |
| stevemar | bknudson: not specifically on coderwall, but most sites that have oauth do support facebook sign in | 20:24 |
| termie | stevemar: i suspect joking | 20:24 |
| ayoung | hateoas...yeah, bad term, but "drill down" or "discoverability" is still a decent design term | 20:25 |
| stevemar | termie: d'oh | 20:25 |
| termie | ayoung: anyway, unrelated, can be provided fine by the oauth plugin | 20:25 |
| termie | ayoung: but a general purpose site is a good idea, imo, too | 20:26 |
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| ayoung | termie, which patch were you referring to? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24443/2 ? | 20:26 |
| termie | ayoung: doesn't matter | 20:27 |
| termie | ayoung: (but yes) | 20:27 |
| ayoung | termie, just didn't see the comment there... | 20:27 |
| termie | ayoung: i talked to you about it on here | 20:27 |
| termie | ayoung: it really doesn't matter all i was saying was that i saw it | 20:28 |
| zykes- | How does other projects solve this auth stuff ?= | 20:28 |
| ayoung | ah...ok. I want to make sure that we have a common understanding of how to move forward. While I realize that you like to code out of spite, I'd rather you be spiting someone else. | 20:28 |
| termie | ayoung: so i knew you were thinking about it | 20:28 |
| termie | zykes-: otehr openstack projects? or like real world stuff? | 20:28 |
| zykes- | real world stuff termie | 20:29 |
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| termie | zykes-: next up, waht kind of auth are you talking about | 20:30 |
| termie | zykes-: if it is a website, they do what i just described | 20:30 |
| termie | zykes-: if it is a service, they do the thing i described before that | 20:30 |
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| zykes- | credentials stuff ? | 20:31 |
| termie | zykes-: (website: oauth authn/authz, service: signed requests) | 20:31 |
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| zykes- | termie: how does that work when you are making a service perform on your behalf ? | 20:33 |
| termie | zykes-: what do you mean? | 20:33 |
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| termie | zykes-: horizon specifically? | 20:33 |
| ayoung | termie, so I was trying to figure out if oauth has a mechanism for dealing with XSRF attacks? http://oauth.net/core/1.0a/ just says " Consumers should prevent CSRF attacks on OAuth callback URLs by verifying that the User at the Consumer site intended to complete the OAuth negotiation with the Service Provider. " | 20:33 |
| zykes- | termie: Heat for example | 20:34 |
| termie | zykes-: i don't use heat, what does it do | 20:34 |
| markwash | annegentle, bcwaldon: look like maybe you two need to chat about doc updates for the grizzly release | 20:34 |
| termie | zykes-: it's a platform layer? | 20:34 |
| markwash | annegentle, bcwaldon: I'm still earning my spurs on the whole doc release process, so I'm going to need to defer to you for a while about what ought/remains to be done | 20:35 |
| termie | zykes-: they do something like: https://gist.github.com/termie/5225817 | 20:35 |
| zykes- | termie: Orchestration aka CloudForms | 20:35 |
| termie | zykes-: you give it a way to make signed requests on your behalf, oauth already does it fine for the web so i proposed its mechanisms for that as well | 20:35 |
| zykes- | termie: so you're leaning on OAuth2 ? | 20:36 |
| termie | zykes-: no | 20:36 |
| termie | zykes-: feel free to read the doc i just sent you | 20:36 |
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| termie | zykes-: (tl;dr: oauth2 != oauth1) | 20:37 |
| termie | zykes-: don't worry though, i write goods | 20:38 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Change format of some judgments https://review.openstack.org/25393 | 20:40 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Add du to rootwrap filters https://review.openstack.org/26032 | 20:40 |
| stevemar | termie: without incurring the wrath of temrie, what are your hangups about using oauth2? | 20:41 |
| termie | stevemar: it's not a signed request | 20:41 |
| zykes- | and oauth1 is termie ? | 20:41 |
| termie | yup | 20:41 |
| termie | zykes-: https://gist.github.com/termie/5225817#file-delegated_auth-L85 | 20:42 |
| termie | tfm | 20:42 |
| termie | rtfm | 20:42 |
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| zykes- | termie: don't do the TW on me! | 20:45 |
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| termie | i don't know what tw means | 20:46 |
| termie | Texas Wipe | 20:46 |
| bknudson | I time warp. | 20:46 |
| zykes- | Termie Wrath! | 20:46 |
| ayoung | Its just a step to the left | 20:47 |
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| termie | here's a hard question for you guys | 20:56 |
| termie | what should i have for lunch? | 20:56 |
| stevemar | salad | 20:57 |
| stevemar | freshly chopped, with tuna | 20:57 |
| stevemar | good times | 20:57 |
| stevemar | i am trying to think of a hard question for you | 20:57 |
| termie | stevemar: hurry up, i'm gonna go get a salad with tuna | 21:00 |
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| stevemar | termie: easy question instead? | 21:00 |
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| ayoung | termie, mission burrito. With shrimp | 21:01 |
| termie | stevemar: no, there answered, cyaaa | 21:01 |
| termie | ayoung: stevemar already answered correctly | 21:02 |
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| ayoung | El Toro | 21:02 |
| stevemar | woo hoo for me | 21:02 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i will bug you in termies absence | 21:02 |
| termie | stevemar: find me at the summit for your prize | 21:02 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, go for it | 21:02 |
| stevemar | termie: will do | 21:02 |
| stevemar | ayoung: just trying to get a better grasp of what we're trying to accomplish here, can we zoom out a little? | 21:03 |
| ayoung | IN the beging there was the command prompt. | 21:04 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: too far! i said a little :P | 21:04 |
| stevemar | it seems like termie is trying to get OAuth behavior between openstack projects? | 21:04 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, yeah, we need a dlegation mechanism beyond the bearer tokens. | 21:05 |
| ayoung | stevemar, so I implemented the trusts blueprint, which does a portion of what is needed | 21:05 |
| ayoung | and termie pointed out that oauth (1 not 2) is a better approach | 21:06 |
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| ayoung | I tend to agree with him, so we are trying to get the plan together | 21:06 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yeah, there is a some strong support for v1.x still | 21:06 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, yeah, looks like oauth 1 and 2 are two different communities | 21:08 |
| stevemar | ayoung: trying to find a slide deck that someone sent me... where it describes a completely different use case, more enterprise-ish | 21:08 |
| ayoung | and I had heard so much bad press about 2, I had writtend off 1 without realizing the difference | 21:08 |
| ayoung | meh | 21:08 |
| ayoung | If you want enterprise, there are better mechanisms to use | 21:08 |
| * stevemar shrugs | 21:09 | |
| stevemar | its what they want | 21:09 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I suspect that we will have a flood of extensions in the short term, as people submit their preferred mechanisms | 21:10 |
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| ayoung | I'm just trying to get us beyond the bearer tokens | 21:10 |
| bknudson | ayoung: is work required to enable the extensions? | 21:10 |
| bknudson | or could they be done today | 21:10 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, the term extensions means a couple different things. From an URL perspective, it implies that it is not part of the core api. From a code/cycle perspective it means that they can be released out of cycle | 21:13 |
| ayoung | there are a bunch of extensions that are shipped with grizzly | 21:13 |
| ayoung | for admin,ec2 s3... | 21:13 |
| ayoung | look in contrib | 21:14 |
| bknudson | so someone could write an oauth extension and use it? | 21:14 |
| ayoung | We don't have a mechanism for dynamically adding extensions right now, but it would not require a significnatn amount of changes to add in your own extension to Keystone | 21:14 |
| ayoung | bknudson, termie is already working on that | 21:14 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/termie/keystone/commits/oauth | 21:15 |
| bknudson | how about a non-bearer-token extension? | 21:15 |
| stevebaker | annegentle: hey, I'm doing some writing for the Heat cli guide. Should I add it directly to cli-guide or keep it separate for now? | 21:15 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, that is what we were just discussing. I was origianlly thinking of just adding the public key to the existing token body, but termie makes a good point that we should vet the idea first, and so we'll probably do it in an extension | 21:16 |
| ayoung | bknudson, so basically 1. add a pkey to the signed document produced by the current token api and 2. modify the client to use the corresponding private key to sign the request | 21:17 |
| bknudson | ok, just wanted to know what kind of limits there are on extensions... especially if they're affecting clients (auth_token middleware, etc.) | 21:17 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: thinking | 21:17 |
| ayoung | bknudson, that would mean that the consumers (auth_token middleware for the most part) would need to be aware of the potential for using the extenstion in order to enforce | 21:18 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: so, to Docs, the master branch IS grizzly | 21:18 |
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| annegentle | stevebaker: so preferably Havana docs will not be in yet | 21:18 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: but that is the right place for it after Grizzly docs go out | 21:18 |
| stevebaker | any plans to branch at some point? | 21:18 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: yes, we have 48 known doc bugs so that's too many to release yet | 21:19 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: the docs trail by about a month historically | 21:19 |
| stevebaker | ok, so we're talking weeks not months? I could post something for review when its ready and it could just sit there until H is open | 21:20 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: that's a great idea, please do that -- indicate as such so no one merges it | 21:21 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I would probably do it in the following order: 1. create an extension API in keystone that shares all of the code with the token api, but that adds a public key. 2. Make that extension show up in the extenstions list from Keystone, 3. Make the client be able to call that extension if it i exists 4. enable the signing mechanism. 5. enforce the signing mechanism in auth_token middleware. That is, I think, what would | 21:21 |
| ayoung | let us move forward incrementally | 21:21 |
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| stevebaker | annegentle: ok. I'll let the others know to do the same for the other docs | 21:22 |
| stevebaker | thanks | 21:22 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: ty | 21:22 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: reviving that last conversation, is there a reason for going signed token payloads rather than just doing https with client certs? | 22:45 |
| jamielennox | is it just re-using the existing endpoints? | 22:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I have to checkout here. | 22:45 |
| ayoung | But there are arguments for doing both. | 22:45 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: no worries, i'll talk to you about it later | 22:46 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I have a class, but will be back online around 8:30 - 9 my time. In the meantime, I havea write up...let me forward it to you | 22:47 |
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| FunnyLookinHat | Ah ha! Found the iptables rule that was blocking a devstack from forwarding traffic to the internal 10.0.0.0/24 network | 22:48 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, two emails coming your way. | 22:48 |
| FunnyLookinHat | -A nova-compute-local -d 10.0.0.2/32 -j nova-compute-inst-1 | 22:49 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Looks like nova specifically denies access to any boxes on the private network as they're brought online. | 22:49 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: got them, i'll have a read, cheers | 22:49 |
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| mordred | markwash: ping | 23:30 |
| markwash | mordred: howdy | 23:30 |
| mordred | markwash: got a sec to chat with lifeless and I about disk images? | 23:30 |
| markwash | sure | 23:31 |
| mordred | markwash: yay! | 23:31 |
| markwash | I have to run in 15 :-( | 23:31 |
| lifeless | so do I | 23:31 |
| lifeless | perhaps tomorrow would be better | 23:31 |
| mordred | markwash: so, we got this thing we've developed as part of the TripleO project called diskimage-builder | 23:31 |
| lifeless | or later today ? | 23:31 |
| mordred | (stackforge/diskimage-builder) | 23:31 |
| mordred | that, well, builds disk images | 23:31 |
| mordred | I've been contending that I think it should be part of glance | 23:32 |
| mordred | because, you know, images | 23:32 |
| markwash | interesting | 23:33 |
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| mordred | but a) you'd need to think that's a good idea b) lifeless would have to think that's a good idea and... | 23:33 |
| mordred | c) none of the dib core folks are glance-core right now, so dev would become weird | 23:33 |
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| lifeless | not glance the codebase | 23:33 |
| lifeless | glance the concept | 23:33 |
| mordred | right | 23:33 |
| markwash | something like "glance make-me-an-image <diskimage-builder args>" ? | 23:33 |
| * flaper87 thinks is a good idea | 23:33 | |
| flaper87 | I actually talked with some folks about that once | 23:33 |
| mordred | it's a local tool that builds one locally that one could then upload to glance | 23:34 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Update documentation for account_quota middleware https://review.openstack.org/25987 | 23:34 |
| lifeless | markwash: yes, lots of details glossed over there, but yes. | 23:34 |
| flaper87 | having an image builder inside glance would make sense for the reasons mordred just said | 23:34 |
| mordred | we've got it integrated into devstack already and reddwarf are using it for their images | 23:34 |
| lifeless | markwash: you could wrap it, you could have an API that drives it too | 23:34 |
| lifeless | we have two key changes to make before calling its CLI stable; we need to split the elements it has into 'core' and 'tripleo stuff' | 23:34 |
| mordred | I'd think it would want to perhaps stay its own code repo and just fall under glance governance? but I might be making it too complex | 23:34 |
| lifeless | because the core is something you might package, but the tripleo stuff is very mutable | 23:35 |
| lifeless | separately, I would like to add arm support, but since I"m striking out finding a base ARM image, I might defer that | 23:35 |
| markwash | so, it could live in glance, or at least under the broader heading of Glance | 23:35 |
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| markwash | but you would see it as a client-side tool still, correct? | 23:36 |
| mordred | yes | 23:36 |
| lifeless | the core if it totally. | 23:36 |
| lifeless | another codebase could easily wrap it as a service | 23:36 |
| mordred | yah | 23:36 |
| lifeless | that could be the main glance codebase if desired | 23:36 |
| lifeless | or a parallel service, or whatever. | 23:36 |
| flaper87 | but would it be part of glance code base or just a separate project that gets pip'd by glance's setup ? | 23:37 |
| mordred | I was thinking of it as a third git repo, but that was "part of glance" the same way glanceclient is | 23:38 |
| lifeless | it would just make glance more complex to fold the code into the same tree. | 23:38 |
| lifeless | separate code bases for separate problems | 23:38 |
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| flaper87 | lifeless: mordred agreed! | 23:38 |
| markwash | apart from the relationship to images, why make it part of glance? or openstack in general? | 23:39 |
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| mordred | markwash: well, relationship to images is why I'd make it part of glance | 23:40 |
| lifeless | markwash: I'd like to get off of stackforge. We're approximately mature now. | 23:40 |
| mordred | there is currently no openstack tooling to make an image to upload to glance | 23:40 |
| lifeless | markwash: But, this is a bit project; its very specific very targeted. | 23:40 |
| markwash | good point | 23:40 |
| mordred | so it's a hle, really, for people running openstack | 23:40 |
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| markwash | hle ? | 23:41 |
| lifeless | markwash: and unlike glance or swift or nova it doesn't have a wide range of use cases, for all that (if tripleo succeeds) everyone will use it all the time. | 23:41 |
| mordred | hole | 23:41 |
| mordred | I can't type | 23:41 |
| lifeless | markwash: If 'used by everybody' was sufficient to make top level projects, oslo wouldn't exist, all its components would. | 23:42 |
| flaper87 | FWIW: I think that having a way to build new images is a good thing and could be usfule for deployments that want to save space on disk and / or bandwith. For example, remove less used images and make glance recreate them if they are required again | 23:42 |
| lifeless | markwash: so -> I have no particular interest in arguing for it to be a top level project; but I do in getting it promoted out of stackforge | 23:42 |
| flaper87 | or instead of uploading an image just make glance create one | 23:42 |
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| flaper87 | s/usfule/usful/ | 23:42 |
| flaper87 | arg | 23:42 |
| flaper87 | useful | 23:42 |
| markwash | yeah, seems pretty nifty. . I want to think about it some more though | 23:43 |
| lifeless | markwash: the question then is, if not a top level project, what is it? Is it part of oslo? [its 99% shell, not python]. Doesn't fit the oslo 'common python code' thing. | 23:43 |
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| lifeless | part of nova? It builds things for nova to use. | 23:43 |
| lifeless | part of glance? It builds images, which folk put in glance... | 23:43 |
| lifeless | etc | 23:43 |
| markwash | ack, gotta run. . | 23:43 |
| jbresnah | my quick two cents here is this: Clearly this is a useful thing to have, the question is does it belong in glance. Currently glance is an registry service and data transfer service. This would expand its feature set to a VM image creation service. | 23:44 |
| lifeless | basically, we need a mature home for it (diskimage-builder's core code) where we can point people at. | 23:44 |
| markwash | lemme think about it some more, and get back to you guys this week? | 23:44 |
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| lifeless | markwash: or next, or at the summit. | 23:44 |
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| jbresnah | To me those three things are pretty different buckets of expertise | 23:44 |
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| lifeless | jbresnah: right, which is also one of the things I've said to monty ;) | 23:44 |
| lifeless | jbresnah: we're doing something that *none* of the existing top level projects have expertise in. | 23:45 |
| jbresnah | lifeless: i agree it would be great to have something like that in openstack | 23:45 |
| lifeless | jbresnah: (and markwash:) I'm worried about technical leadership here, because the knowledge for PTL for $anythingelseopenstack doesn't translate to PTL knowledge for diskimage-builder. | 23:45 |
| flaper87 | It doesn't have a default feature of glance since it will most liekly live in a separate project | 23:45 |
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| jbresnah | lifeless: and Glance has the word Image attached to it, so perhaps that makes sense. | 23:45 |
| flaper87 | s/project/repo/ | 23:45 |
| markwash | btw we have a glance meeting tomorrow at 2000 UTC if folks wanna talk about it then too | 23:46 |
| markwash | bye! | 23:46 |
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| lifeless | So, I'm looking for something like the recently discussed nova cooperating-adults thing. | 23:46 |
| lifeless | damn, too slow. | 23:46 |
| lifeless | bbiab lunchtime here | 23:46 |
| mordred | lifeless: point me at cooperating-adults ? | 23:46 |
| jbresnah | flaper87: default or not shouldnt really apply to whether or not it belongs there, right? | 23:46 |
| lifeless | mordred: the discussion when vish stepped down | 23:46 |
| jbresnah | flaper87: if it is out of place Default=False doesn't really solve that | 23:46 |
| mordred | oh right | 23:46 |
| lifeless | mordred: 'less legalese, more you guys can be trusted to sort it out' | 23:47 |
| lifeless | I don't need a formal statement of PTL, but I need understanding from the $home PTL that diskimage-builder is a separate problem space | 23:47 |
| flaper87 | jbresnah: agreed, that was more a "if it gets in then it souldn't be a default feature" | 23:47 |
| lifeless | mordred: or perhaps, having had this discussion, we should argue for a top level project. | 23:47 |
| lifeless | mordred: the oz discussion will have the same complexity and interactions | 23:48 |
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| mordred | lifeless: wanna apply for incubation? | 23:49 |
| lifeless | first up lunch before I fall over | 23:50 |
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