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| lifeless | FatDarrel: no idea; I think packstack is a redhat thing? | 00:17 |
| FatDarrel | yeah | 00:17 |
| FatDarrel | well i changed the conf files around | 00:17 |
| FatDarrel | make the directories and rebooted | 00:17 |
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| erfanian | If there are any OS folks around I'd love feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27785/ for gradle version support | 00:30 |
| erfanian | rather OS Jenkins folks | 00:30 |
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| clarkb | erfanian: definitely. we hang out in #openstack-infra if you want a channel more focused on that side of the openstack house | 00:31 |
| erfanian | thanks clarkb I'll pop over | 00:31 |
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| FatDarrel | So do i really need a cinder volume? | 02:55 |
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| lifeless | if you want to use cinder | 02:58 |
| FatDarrel | who calls cinder | 03:03 |
| FatDarrel | glance or nova? | 03:03 |
| FatDarrel | and how do I tell one of them to go and be yo! no need | 03:04 |
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| marun | arosen: ping | 03:13 |
| arosen | marun: pong | 03:13 |
| marun | arosen: I'm being a bit of a stickler, I just want to make sure that we don't make things messy unnecessarily. | 03:14 |
| arosen | marun: sure -- I responded to your comment btw | 03:14 |
| marun | arosen: What about the nova api doing the work of figuring out a security group needs to be created and doing the creating? | 03:14 |
| marun | arosen: Then the bad is limited to the nova side - quantum can be clean. | 03:14 |
| FatDarrel | ok so anyone got any idea | 03:14 |
| FatDarrel | how to disable cinder | 03:14 |
| marun | arosen: Or is it more than the nova api that will expect this behaviour? | 03:15 |
| arosen | marun: if we ignore nova for a sec. if one does quantum security-group-list ; i think we should display the default security group | 03:15 |
| * arosen i think we should have created the default security group. | 03:15 | |
| marun | arosen: I'm not averse to that. I'm just not sure that should be on-demand. | 03:15 |
| arosen | nova secgroup-list does in the case of using nova security groups. | 03:15 |
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| marun | arosen: I'm not sure nova is a good example for anything we do, frankly, save for the need to be backwards compatible. | 03:16 |
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| marun | arosen: I realize I may not understand the implication of a default security group, though, | 03:16 |
| FatDarrel | Ok so here is the issue i have a box set up and I have allocated all the storage to glance and nova to hold and run the images | 03:17 |
| arosen | imo, when we do quantum security-group-list we should see the default security group as when booting a vm if a security group isn't specified you get that. I think you should be able to make changes to the default security group before you create a network. | 03:17 |
| FatDarrel | What is the deal with nova why would i need a cinder volume? | 03:17 |
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| marun | arosen: Is a security group like in aws? | 03:17 |
| arosen | yup | 03:17 |
| arosen | marun: by default a vm can talk out to the internet and to other members of the default security group but no ingress traffic | 03:18 |
| marun | and a default security group is per tenant? | 03:18 |
| marun | per network <-> tenant pair? | 03:18 |
| arosen | marun: nope per tenant | 03:18 |
| arosen | A tenant can decide they want ssh accessable by default and add the rules to the default security group to achieve this w/e they boot an instance. | 03:19 |
| arosen | marun: the part i was thinking you were going to be a stickler about was: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27792/1/quantum/db/securitygroups_db.py | 03:19 |
| arosen | line: 137 | 03:19 |
| arosen | if not default_sg and context.tenant_id: | 03:19 |
| marun | arosen: fair enough. so are there any other resources other than a default security group that needs to be defined for a given tenant before it can boot a vm? | 03:20 |
| arosen | marun: yup a network | 03:20 |
| arosen | but in the case of a shared network that's where this bug was exposed | 03:20 |
| marun | arosen: in that case, what do you think about ensuring a default security group on network creation? | 03:20 |
| arosen | as the tenant didn't have a network. | 03:20 |
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| marun | arosen: ah, so in the public network case there would be no per-tenant setup. | 03:20 |
| marun | arosen: gotcha. | 03:21 |
| arosen | marun: Yup :) | 03:21 |
| marun | arosen: I guess I don't like the idea of creating the default security group arbitrarily. | 03:21 |
| marun | arosen: I'd almost rather see it be done on first vm creation for the tenant - at least it's clear that resources are being created in that case. | 03:22 |
| marun | arosen: having it be required when one is attempting to see if data exists… not so nice. | 03:22 |
| arosen | marun: I think in makes sense in this case. What if the tenant wants to modify the security group rules in the default security group before booting a vm? | 03:22 |
| arosen | marun: why? | 03:22 |
| marun | arosen: It's arbitrary. | 03:23 |
| arosen | what about for the use case i pointed out? | 03:23 |
| marun | arosen: I'm curious, how does aws handle this? | 03:24 |
| arosen | marun: every tenant always has a default security group. | 03:24 |
| arosen | The problem is we are disjoint from keystone and such so we can't create security groups as tenants are added | 03:24 |
| marun | arosen: right | 03:24 |
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| marun | arosen: How is the default security group special compared to other security groups? | 03:25 |
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| arosen | marun: a tenant can't delete it (same as aws) | 03:25 |
| arosen | and a tenant can't create it either | 03:26 |
| marun | arosen: so there is an immutable 'is_default' property? | 03:26 |
| arosen | In the api validation it prevents a user from creating a security group with the name default. | 03:26 |
| arosen | marun: just the name | 03:26 |
| arosen | there is no property besides that. | 03:26 |
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| marun | arosen: any particular reason for that way of securing the default sg? | 03:27 |
| marun | (and apologies for the 20 questions, i'm just ignorant | 03:27 |
| arosen | marun: brb | 03:27 |
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| marun | arosen: I've looked at the code and I'm not sure I see how multiple security groups named 'default' are prevented. Am I missing something? | 03:41 |
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| arosen | marun: sorry about that. back | 03:49 |
| arosen | one sec | 03:49 |
| marun | arosen: I don't see a uniqueness constraint on tenant_id<->name, so presumably the check is in code? | 03:50 |
| arosen | https://github.com/openstack/quantum/blob/master/quantum/extensions/securitygroup.py#L135 | 03:50 |
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| marun | arosen: ah, so the user can't ever pass that as a name on create/update? | 03:52 |
| arosen | marun: yea | 03:53 |
| marun | arosen: that still doesn't prevent a race condition, mind you... | 03:53 |
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| marun | arosen: the lack of the uniqueness constraint means that multiple calls to get_security_groups - timed just right - could result in multiple 'default' objects being created | 03:54 |
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| marun | arosen: is there a reason there isn't a uniqueness constraint as well? | 03:55 |
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| arosen | marun: ah good point. We need to add: with context.session.begin(subtransactions=True): in the get_security_groups call now. | 03:55 |
| marun | arosen: that won't help | 03:56 |
| marun | arosen: transactional isolation is no guarantee of consistency without a uniqueness constraint | 03:56 |
| arosen | marun: uniqueness is constrained to tenant_id + default | 03:56 |
| marun | arosen: oh, where? | 03:56 |
| marun | arosen: I missed it | 03:56 |
| arosen | Hrm well i guess it isn't... | 03:56 |
| arosen | because of this race condition you pointed out. | 03:57 |
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| arosen | marun: why doesn't: with context.session.begin(subtransactions=True): solve the problem? | 03:57 |
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| arosen | marun: doesn't that lock the db and serialize that code segment? | 03:57 |
| marun | arosen: you know the ACID acronym? | 03:58 |
| arosen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID | 03:58 |
| marun | arosen: right. So the 'C' is what we're interested in - consistency | 03:59 |
| marun | arosen: as in, an operation doesn't violate an integrity constraint | 03:59 |
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| marun | arosen: transactionality doesn't help with that unless an integrity constraint exists. | 04:00 |
| arosen | marun: hrm i think adding: scoped_session(context.session) ? Let me look at what that does. | 04:00 |
| marun | arosen: think of 2 requests | 04:00 |
| marun | arosen: both for get_security_groups | 04:00 |
| marun | arosen: The race condition is that both pass the part where the default doesn't exist, both go about creating it, and both transactions are committed. | 04:00 |
| arosen | marun: yea i understand what your saying. In this case we have these issues all over the place for update/delete though? | 04:00 |
| marun | arosen: There is nothing to prevent this at present. | 04:00 |
| marun | arosen: If there are constraints in code instead of at the db level (and access to the methods in question is not otherwise synchronized), then yup. | 04:01 |
| marun | arosen: guaranteed to be a source of problems at some point | 04:01 |
| arosen | marun: don't we already have this issue though for update/delete? | 04:03 |
| marun | arosen: I'm not sure what you mean. | 04:05 |
| marun | arosen: Do you have an example of where an integrity constraint is being enforced only in code for an update/delete? | 04:05 |
| arosen | quantum port-update --name <uuid> & quantum port-delete <uuid> | 04:06 |
| arosen | https://github.com/openstack/quantum/blob/master/quantum/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_quantum_plugin.py#L593 | 04:06 |
| marun | arosen: and what's the constraint? | 04:06 |
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| arosen | marun: i see... nvm | 04:07 |
| arosen | marun: i guess we don't have another example like this else where in quantum. | 04:08 |
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| marun | arosen: I'm not suggesting they don't exist - they might not spring to mind though. | 04:09 |
| arosen | marun: is there an easy fix to this? | 04:09 |
| marun | yes. | 04:09 |
| arosen | I think i can use the synchroize decorator | 04:09 |
| marun | arosen: Preferable to add a uniqueness constraint on the SecurityGroup model. | 04:10 |
| marun | arosen: Make sure tenant_id, name are unique | 04:10 |
| arosen | you mean make sure that tenant_id+default is unique. | 04:10 |
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| marun | arosen: it will prevent duplicate names, as a side-effect, but also prevent there from ever being more than one default security group per tenant. | 04:10 |
| marun | arosen: yes | 04:11 |
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| arosen | marun: looks like it can be done via UniqueConstraint() in sqlalchemy | 04:13 |
| arosen | but there is one comment in the docs: | 04:13 |
| arosen | Note that some databases do not actively support check constraints such as MySQL. | 04:13 |
| marun | arosen: that's what I'd recommend | 04:13 |
| marun | arosen: there are many ways to implement it | 04:14 |
| marun | arosen: check constraints are one way. that implies a trigger | 04:14 |
| marun | arosen: A uniqueness constraint, though, is typically implemented as a unique index. | 04:14 |
| marun | arosen: And mysql definitely supports that. | 04:14 |
| arosen | marun: cool, i'll check it out tomorrow. I got to bounce though. | 04:14 |
| arosen | Thanks for the info | 04:14 |
| marun | arosen: np. thanks for your patience with my ignorance! :) | 04:15 |
| arosen | marun: np, thanks for pointing out a major issue :) | 04:16 |
| arosen | later | 04:16 |
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| halfie | or does it only supports plaintext communication? | 05:08 |
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| halfie | jamespage, sounds reasonable. thanks! | 06:24 |
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| ttx | lifeless: I think the best is to send a recap email to -dev with all the changes that were proposed during that session. Depending on the reach of them I'll see if they just need release team adoption or if they should be decided by the TC | 07:45 |
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| ttx | lifeless: the key question being (and it was probably answered during that session but doesn't appear on the etherpad): how is "cramming everything in right before a release" worse for CD than "flipping all features enabled right before a release". At least the former lets us reject features that are not ready more easily. | 07:51 |
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| ttx | will comment to the thread | 07:54 |
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| simo | markmc: I wish this strong requirement on signing broadcast messages would have been put forward earlier | 13:01 |
| markmc | simo, no-one thought of it because it's quite separate from RPC messaging, I guess | 13:01 |
| simo | yes | 13:02 |
| simo | and public-key has a number of drawbacks I did not want to deal with | 13:02 |
| markmc | simo, honestly, an entirely different solution for notifications could be fine | 13:02 |
| simo | it's a lot more heavyweight | 13:02 |
| markmc | yeah, I understand | 13:02 |
| simo | both in crypto cpu usage and in managment | 13:02 |
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| simo | markmc: yeah may be we should just try out what I have now and explicitly declare notifications out of scope | 13:03 |
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| simo | markmc: just for my understanding who would send notifications ? and who would receive them ? | 13:03 |
| markmc | simo, pretty much any service sends out notifications and ceilometer is the major user right now, but it's original intention was to allow third parties to consume them | 13:04 |
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| simo | markmc: by service you also mean compute nodes ? | 13:07 |
| huats | dolphm: sorry to bother, but am I supposed to see your comments on the draft review on gerrit ? | 13:08 |
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| dolphm | huats: can you link me to it? i may not have published them | 13:08 |
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| huats | dolphm: https://review.openstack.org/27650 is it what you are looking ? | 13:09 |
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| markmc | simo, yes, compute nodes send some of the more interesting/useful notifications | 13:21 |
| simo | uhmmm | 13:21 |
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| simo | ok I will ignore the notification problem for now | 13:22 |
| simo | and revisit it once we have something working and more experience | 13:22 |
| simo | it may make sense to have a separate system for notifications anyway | 13:22 |
| simo | both public key crypto and revocation list handling is heavyweight | 13:23 |
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| simo | I think we need to have the current design at least working in order to later be able to confront performance and overheads | 13:23 |
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| simo | worst case I'll throw away the current system and rewrap everything up to use public key crypto and include notifications | 13:24 |
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| dabo | I have a question about creating a user in Keystone. How can the POST request return a 404? What exactly isn't being found? | 13:57 |
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| anteaya | I need to delete a token from memcache in folsom | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | I see that there is a keystone function which puts the token in cache: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/stable/folsom/keystone/middleware/auth_token.py#L647 | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | is there a function which deletes a token from cache and I just haven't found it yet | 15:15 |
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| dolphm | ttx: is there a way to "close" a blueprint other than to mark it as superceded? | 15:35 |
| dolphm | anteaya: call DELETE /v2.0/tokens or DELETE /v3/auth/tokens | 15:36 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: err, only the first is available in folsom DELETE /v2.0/tokens/{token_id} | 15:36 |
| jpich | dolphm: ...I think there's "obsolete" too. But nothing to properly close. | 15:36 |
| anteaya | dolphm: yes I am doing that, however the token is still alive in cache | 15:36 |
| anteaya | dolphm: I need to be able to delete if from cache | 15:37 |
| ttx | dolphm: its implementation can be marked obsolete, I think | 15:37 |
| anteaya | and delay_auth_decision = 1 | 15:37 |
| dolphm | anteaya: auth_token cache or memcache token backend? | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | memcache | 15:37 |
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| dolphm | ttx: thanks, setting Definition to Obsolete made it go away | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | oh and the token is UUID, dolphm | 15:43 |
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| garyk | salv-orlando: FYI - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27815/ | 15:50 |
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| salv-orlando | thanks garyk :) | 16:00 |
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| garyk | salv-orlando: thank you. | 16:00 |
| salv-orlando | but does it really work | 16:00 |
| salv-orlando | ? | 16:00 |
| salv-orlando | usually my suggestions don't :) | 16:00 |
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| garyk | yes. there was actual a unit test for it :) | 16:01 |
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| anteaya | dolphm any thoughts on whether this is possible? | 16:07 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: hmm, i guess i wasn't clear on if you meant the memcache token backend or memcache auth_token cache? | 16:08 |
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| anteaya | ah that is a good question | 16:08 |
| anteaya | let me find out the answer | 16:08 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: if the aren't removed from the token backend as a result of a DELETE request, then that's a bug | 16:08 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: removal from auth_token cache should happen as a result of cache expiry, so i would just suggest to lower that value | 16:09 |
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| anteaya | okay thanks dolphm I will find out which it is and either file a bug or recommend lowering the value on cache expiry | 16:10 |
| dolphm | anteaya: thanks! | 16:10 |
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| anteaya | it is the auth_token cache, I will see what needs to happen to decrease the expiration time | 16:10 |
| anteaya | and thank you | 16:11 |
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| anteaya | sorry I spoke too soon, dolphm | 16:11 |
| anteaya | how do I find out the difference between the auth_token cache and the token backend? | 16:11 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: what do you mean by 'the difference'? | 16:12 |
| anteaya | well I am talking to the person who set it up | 16:12 |
| anteaya | he doesn't understand the question | 16:13 |
| anteaya | so I am wondering how to find out which we are dealing with | 16:13 |
| anteaya | am I making sense yet? | 16:13 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: i'm not sure i can help you explain the symptoms to me lol... but what is keystone.conf [token] driver set to? e.g. keystone.token.backends.kvs.Token | 16:14 |
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| anteaya | dolphm: [token] | 16:16 |
| anteaya | driver = keystone.token.backends.memcache.Token | 16:16 |
| dolphm | anteaya: if you call DELETE /v2.0/tokens/{token_id} then GET /v2.0/tokens/{token_id} doesn't return a 404? | 16:17 |
| anteaya | it does after a minute | 16:17 |
| anteaya | after the cache expires | 16:17 |
| anteaya | since it was instant before I installed memcached | 16:18 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: can you open a bug with example output of those two calls? | 16:20 |
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| anteaya | I can | 16:21 |
| anteaya | how would you like the bug titled? | 16:21 |
| anteaya | and we acknowledge this is a bug on folsom | 16:21 |
| dolphm | anteaya: it's your bug, you title it :) | 16:22 |
| anteaya | okay, I'll do my best | 16:22 |
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| anteaya | so do we have an answer to the question if this is memcache token backend or memcache auth_token cache? | 16:23 |
| anteaya | since we are going bug, I am assuming memcache token backend | 16:23 |
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| anteaya | hmmm, just correcting, I said it was folsom because that is the intended environment but I am running a recent devstack so I think the more accurate point is that it is the v2 of the API | 16:30 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: if you have driver = keystone.token.backends.memcache.Token and it's reproducible via the identity api then it's a bug in keystone's token backend | 16:38 |
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| anteaya | dolphm: great thank you | 16:38 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: v3 uses the same driver, so the issue would be api agnostic | 16:38 |
| anteaya | ah okay | 16:39 |
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| anteaya | dolphm: here is a gist with my output so far: https://gist.github.com/anteaya/49a2e977af90fc937267#file-from-the-shell-L1 | 16:45 |
| anteaya | it isn't strictly the url you gave me, but it is using the API calls and was the method I was using to try to delete the token | 16:45 |
| anteaya | is it sufficient for the bug report? | 16:45 |
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| garyk | jkoelker_: ping | 17:07 |
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| jkoelker_ | garyk: howdy | 17:08 |
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| garyk | jkoelker: thanks for the review. question - if i add the None, do I still need the exception handling? | 17:08 |
| jkoelker | nope, since it will return none if the key isn't in the dict | 17:09 |
| garyk | ok. cool. thank you | 17:09 |
| jkoelker | np | 17:09 |
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| garyk | nice to have you back on the quatum code | 17:09 |
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| bknudson | is keystone Jenkins just not working lately? | 17:13 |
| dolphm | bknudson: link? | 17:13 |
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| bknudson | dolphm here's an example: http://logs.openstack.org/23660/9/check/gate-keystone-python26/3732/console.html.gz | 17:14 |
| bknudson | dolphm: here's from your recent change: http://logs.openstack.org/27714/1/check/gate-keystone-python26/3742/console.html.gz | 17:14 |
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| bknudson | test_get_user_roles fails | 17:14 |
| ranger6 | I've had a problem also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27653/ | 17:14 |
| bknudson | I'm running run_tests in my devstack setup to see if I can recreate | 17:15 |
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| ranger6 | The script that I patched does not seem to be even tested: I've searched the source for references, and found nothing. | 17:15 |
| clarkb | don't run_tests against devstack... | 17:15 |
| bknudson | clarkb: what happens? | 17:16 |
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| clarkb | bknudson: it may not always work because they have different sets of requirements | 17:16 |
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| bknudson | clarkb: how do I run the unit tests for keystone then? | 17:16 |
| clarkb | devstack is a deployment, run_tests runs unittests. they are different. In the case of keystone it may or may not work. it definitely does not work with nova | 17:16 |
| dolphm | bknudson: all the failures are against keystoneclient, i'm guessing a breaking change went in there | 17:17 |
| bknudson | ahh | 17:17 |
| clarkb | bknudson: tox is the way jenkins does it, and if you are trying to reproduce jenkins failures I would use tox | 17:17 |
| bknudson | there was a change merged recently | 17:17 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient,n,z | 17:17 |
| bknudson | Here's the most recent one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20231/ | 17:18 |
| dolphm | bknudson: are the failure reproducible against that client commit? | 17:19 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: looking into it | 17:20 |
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| clarkb | bknudson: fwiw I read that as run unittests against the devstack environment. if you let run_tests install a virtualenv then my statements above do not hold. however it is a common "why didn't it work?" problem where folks run unittests against a devstack environment | 17:22 |
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| bknudson | clarkb: I'm using the venv ... this system was setup with devstack. | 17:23 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: my run_tests.sh test_keystoneclient worked... now need to figure out which python-keystoneclient it's using. | 17:25 |
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| bknudson | ever get this: cd /opt/stack/keystone/vendor/python-keystoneclient-master | 17:29 |
| bknudson | git pull | 17:29 |
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| bknudson | error: gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. | 17:29 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I tried run_tests.sh with the latest python-keystoneclient and got the same errors, then checked out previous commit and it works. | 17:32 |
| bknudson | So I think the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20231/ change broke it | 17:33 |
| bknudson | dolphm: revert it? | 17:33 |
| dolphm | bknudson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27832/ | 17:34 |
| bknudson | dolphm: thanks! | 17:34 |
| bknudson | maybe I can +2 it. | 17:34 |
| dolphm | bknudson: if you can't, let me know | 17:35 |
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| clarkb | flaper87: did you sort out the problem with that one change and tempest getting stuck? | 17:45 |
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| clarkb | flaper87: if so can I get rid of the devstack/tempest slave that was used to figure it out? and what was the issue? | 17:45 |
| flaper87 | clarkb: kind off but yes, get rid of it | 17:45 |
| flaper87 | clarkb: I was about to tell you that | 17:45 |
| flaper87 | clarkb: btw, tons of thanks for that | 17:46 |
| clarkb | no problem. | 17:46 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, how did that commit pass Jenkins, then? | 17:56 |
| dolphm | ayoung: keystoneclient is not gated by integration tests with keystone | 17:56 |
| ayoung | dolphm, hmmm...should it be? | 17:57 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: yes | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: it should be gated by tempest | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | or devstack | 18:00 |
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| clarkb | dolphm: ayoung: keystoneclient is part of the integration tests https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/zuul/layout.yaml#L730 however if the tests aren't testing this particular thing then it would get through | 18:01 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm, ayoung: any feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27563/ ? | 18:11 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, keystone meeting...after? | 18:12 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: sure, sorry to bug | 18:12 |
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| termie | jaypipes: looks like it is just a doc patch? | 18:12 |
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| jaypipes | termie: dolphm had asked me to create a patch to the API spec before starting any work. | 18:13 |
| jaypipes | termie: just to familiarize folks with the proposed API additions. | 18:14 |
| termie | was jenkins screwed all day yesterday btw? everything is at -1 | 18:14 |
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| termie | jaypipes: well, big surprise, _i_ am not very into the idea | 18:14 |
| termie | jaypipes: who needs it? and what do they actually need? | 18:15 |
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| jaypipes | termie: one sec | 18:15 |
| arosen | dolphm: ping | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | termie: mornin. | 18:16 |
| termie | morganfainberg: right, i should get coffee | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | termie: you should! | 18:17 |
| termie | trying to cut back but that never seems like a good idea when i wake up | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | i am down to 2 shots of espresso/day | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | below that I'm cranky | 18:17 |
| arosen | jaypipes: I got a quick keystone question for you if you got a sec. | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | i | 18:17 |
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| * arosen or perhaps bug that i'm trying to figure out. | 18:18 | |
| jaypipes | termie: there is currently no way to discover the regions and subregions that a large deployment may offer service endpoints in. The service catalog is a denormalized data structure that should be normalized so that users can add/update/list/delete region resources as a first-class citizen instead of trying to parse a giant list of endpoints in a service catalog. | 18:18 |
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| termie | jaypipes: sorry, that doesn't answer my question at all | 18:19 |
| jaypipes | termie: what specifically are you asking then? | 18:19 |
| termie | jaypipes: who needs this and what do they need? | 18:20 |
| termie | jaypipes: as in, a use case and what their problem is not the proposed solution to a problem i've not heard yet | 18:20 |
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| jaypipes | termie: if a region has >1 endpoint for a service type, there is no way other than overriding novaclient calls with --uri to tell the client to use a specific subregion with a region. | 18:21 |
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| termie | jaypipes: still sounds made up to me | 18:21 |
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| jaypipes | termie: the use case is "as a developer working with a deployment across multiple regions, I would like to see the hierarchical structure of the deployment I am using, in terms of regions and subregions.". Right now, there's no discoverability at all for a deployment's structure. | 18:22 |
| termie | jaypipes: you are literally stating your solution as your use case | 18:22 |
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| jaypipes | termie: there's no way to ask Keystone "hey, what deployment zones (subregions, regions, etc) does this OpenStack Cloud have that I can deploy resource in?" | 18:23 |
| termie | jaypipes: and i am saying that i don't think anybody is trying ot ask that | 18:23 |
| jaypipes | termie: other than getting the entire service catalog. | 18:23 |
| termie | jaypipes: they happen to get the entire service catalog all the frickin time, for better or worse | 18:24 |
| jaypipes | termie: when you have 100 regions, that is not cool. | 18:24 |
| jaypipes | or 10 regions with 10 subregions | 18:24 |
| termie | jaypipes: when you ahve 100 regions you are using regions inappropriately | 18:24 |
| termie | jaypipes: and should be looking for a solution to _that_ problem | 18:24 |
| jaypipes | termie: you are trying to force people into your personal definition of what a region is. | 18:25 |
| termie | jaypipes: i'd love to do that, but at the moment i am mostly saying it isn't something there are 100 of | 18:25 |
| jaypipes | termie: how do you know? | 18:25 |
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| termie | jaypipes: it's pretty clear from the design of the service catalog :p | 18:25 |
| jaypipes | termie: it's a fucked up design. | 18:25 |
| termie | jaypipes: because it doesn't do what you want? | 18:26 |
| jaypipes | that blobs a whole bunch of data into a spreadsheet-like data structure. | 18:26 |
| arosen | jaypipes: if you get a chance :) http://codepad.org/IQSqgpUM | 18:26 |
| jaypipes | termie: no, it doesn't do what I want. that's the point of my proposed changes. | 18:26 |
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| termie | jaypipes: it doesn't do what you want for a use case it wasn't designed for in a system that wasn't designed to scale through the hole you are trying to shove your data into | 18:27 |
| jaypipes | termie: that's completely bullshit, sorry. | 18:27 |
| termie | jaypipes: have fun with that argument | 18:27 |
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| jaypipes | termie: if an HP Cloud user wants a list of geographies, regions, and AZs in the entire HP Cloud, how do they go about getting that information? | 18:28 |
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| termie | jaypipes: i'm going to let you cool off for a while | 18:29 |
| jaypipes | termie: if an HP Cloud user wants a list of geographies, regions, and AZs in the entire HP Cloud, how do they go about getting that information? | 18:29 |
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| termie | jaypipes: i responded to your patch | 18:32 |
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| jaypipes | termie: thx but no thx. | 18:32 |
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| jaypipes | termie: your argument can be boiled down to "why should we store this data in keystone?" if you were in the design summit session where we went over the proposal, you may understand that keystone is the natural place for this kind of data. | 18:34 |
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| termie | jaypipes: that isn't what i said, what i said is we need a better solution to storing and accessing this kind of data than what you've proposed | 18:35 |
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| jaypipes | termie: "this kind of data"? it's the service catalog, no? all the proposal is is taking the region from the service catalog and making it a first class data model. | 18:36 |
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| termie | jaypipes: it's a larger task than just designing an api and hoping the data model will handle it, we're effectively becoming a global config/locking service | 18:37 |
| jaypipes | wha? | 18:37 |
| jaypipes | honestly, I'm lost... this proposal doesn't have anything to do with implementation. It's just a proposal to enhance the API for service catalog. Nothing more, nothing less. | 18:38 |
| termie | jaypipes: that's not what we need | 18:38 |
| termie | jaypipes: and the solution to the other problem solves yours too | 18:38 |
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| jaypipes | well, hopefully there are more voices than just yours in this conversartion. | 18:38 |
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| jaypipes | termie: my problem is I need a way to discover the structure of a deployment. What is the solution to this other problem that solves that? | 18:39 |
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| termie | jaypipes: an actual "catalog" service that contains current and ideal state of the system | 18:41 |
| jaypipes | termie: link to a blueprint or spec I can look at pls? | 18:41 |
| termie | jaypipes: doubt there is one, i don't think anybody designed it yet | 18:42 |
| jaypipes | ... | 18:42 |
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| termie | jaypipes: you're welcome to take a crack at it, you obviously have interests in seeing it happen | 18:42 |
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| jaypipes | termie: k | 18:42 |
| jaypipes | termie: so your complaint is not that the idea is bad, but that Keystone isn't the right place to put it? | 18:42 |
| termie | jaypipes: for example, nova would like to get availability zone data into keystone if they could | 18:43 |
| termie | jaypipes: no, the idea is too "small" | 18:43 |
| jaypipes | termie: availability zone != region. | 18:43 |
| termie | jaypipes: you are scratching your itch | 18:43 |
| jaypipes | availability zone is specific to compute (and volume has its storage availability zone) | 18:43 |
| termie | jaypipes: i know | 18:43 |
| termie | jaypipes: they would love ot have that data be available in keystone as well | 18:43 |
| termie | jaypipes: so that they can get an overview of the system somewhere | 18:43 |
| jaypipes | termie: and the pushback against that is? | 18:44 |
| termie | jaypipes: what pushback? it is just something people have asked for | 18:44 |
| termie | jaypipes: whether it will happen is still nebulous | 18:44 |
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| termie | jaypipes: but that is part of the problem to be solved | 18:44 |
| termie | jaypipes: (storing that kind of data as well) | 18:44 |
| arosen | jaypipes: btw the python-novaclient was caching the x-auth-token. That's what the issue was. | 18:45 |
| jaypipes | arosen: yes, the "feature" of caching in novaclient... | 18:45 |
| jaypipes | arosen: it's bitten me numerous times. | 18:45 |
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| arosen | jaypipes: I think that's what's sometimes creating this issue i'm seeing though when it's happened people were driving through horizon. | 18:48 |
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| arosen | Looking if there is an easy way to set this for that. | 18:48 |
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| termie | dolphm: really though, is jenkins messed up or something | 19:02 |
| bknudson | termie: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27832/ | 19:02 |
| termie | i don't generally review things that have a -1 form jenkins, and everything seems to have it at teh moment | 19:02 |
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| termie | bknudson: ah | 19:03 |
| gyee | termie, jenkins just want to be like you, start everything off with a -1 :) | 19:03 |
| termie | gyee: i use -2s now ;) | 19:03 |
| gyee | ah | 19:04 |
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| aelkikhia | Hi if anyone has a moment | 19:04 |
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| aelkikhia | I was trying to get some information as to how to package and distribute my software... I was in #openstack-packaging... it's deader than disco in there | 19:05 |
| termie | aelkikhia: join the stealth disco! just type /disco | 19:05 |
| aelkikhia | bossanova!!! | 19:06 |
| termie | aelkikhia: now you have some sweet tunes, but i can't help you with your packaging | 19:06 |
| aelkikhia | seriously though any assistance would be greatly appreciated | 19:06 |
| aelkikhia | well you can tell by the way I use my walk, I'm a coding man... no time to talk | 19:07 |
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| termie | stevemar: so the other day when you were looking at hte oauth stuff, did it seem radically incomplete to the level of having syntax errors? | 19:16 |
| termie | stevemar: i either lost a commit somewhere that i never pushed, or just pushed some kind of work in progress | 19:17 |
| stevemar | termie: well, just at the end a little, where you magically get user and roles :) | 19:17 |
| termie | stevemar: yeah, it seemed really weird to me when i tried to use it the other day and was like, how did i ever test this | 19:18 |
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| termie | but i _did_ test it, so i assumed the code would be on another computer | 19:18 |
| termie | but this computer doesn't really seem to have it either | 19:18 |
| stevemar | termie: lol good to know, at least I know now that I wasn't crazy | 19:18 |
| termie | so somewhere between the hours of 3 and 4am when i commited and pushed it magic happened :p | 19:18 |
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| termie | stevemar: so, my apologies | 19:18 |
| stevemar | termie: happens, i was gonna bug you about some stuff anyway, now okay? | 19:19 |
| termie | stevemar: impressed that you got anything out of it at all :p | 19:19 |
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| termie | stevemar: sure, was just about to give up on finding the "missing commits" | 19:19 |
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| stevemar | termie: basic stuff for now, i didn't really know how the endpoints/routes work in the contrib section | 19:19 |
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| stevemar | dolph helped me out with that, I had to update the .conf file | 19:20 |
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| termie | stevemar: yeah they use a paste filter | 19:20 |
| stevemar | and I was able to actually get some feedback, and not just 404'ing | 19:20 |
| stevemar | termie: so that was step 1 | 19:20 |
| stevemar | :P | 19:20 |
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| termie | stevemar: and https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/common/wsgi.py#L509 | 19:20 |
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| termie | stevemar: and basically you implement this call: https://github.com/termie/keystone/blob/oauth/keystone/contrib/delegated_auth/core.py#L83 | 19:21 |
| termie | stevemar: so all the extensions in the chain of paste filters get to add routes | 19:21 |
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| stevemar | termie: yup, that all worked out in the end, I looked at ec2 as a guide for the layout | 19:22 |
| stevemar | termie: I was thinking, the next logical step would be to start doing the backend sql? | 19:22 |
| stevemar | termie: your thoughts on that? | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | termie: i'm also not 100% clear on what the DummyOAuthDriver does | 19:23 |
| termie | stevemar: well, i generally do the kvs backend first | 19:23 |
| termie | stevemar: dummy oauth driver was a way to not have to create fixture data while i was testing | 19:23 |
| termie | stevemar: so it just always returns a consumer, etc, whenever asked for one because there is no backend | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | termie: hmm, okay... so that'll eventually die | 19:25 |
| stevemar | termie: stupid question - will there be any client work? | 19:25 |
| termie | stevemar: it was a shortcut so i could test the endpoints for their oauthy-ness to make sure the library i was using was up to snuff | 19:25 |
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| termie | stevemar: client how? | 19:25 |
| termie | stevemar: like a keystone client extension for getting delegated auth stuff? i'd assume so | 19:25 |
| stevemar | temrie: keystoneclient work, for yeah, you typed it up faster | 19:26 |
| termie | stevemar: a good next step for this part is to write the tests | 19:26 |
| termie | stevemar: which i can start on once we're done, but i'd like to find something for you to look at | 19:26 |
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| termie | stevemar: since i realized what a pile of shit i gave you work with | 19:26 |
| stevemar | termie: lol dont worry man | 19:27 |
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| stevemar | termie: it was silly of me to not question it harder | 19:27 |
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| termie | stevemar: you might have some luck looking for how to return html responses so that you can start working on a web interface, or we can dive into this code and find some stuff you want to work on | 19:27 |
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| termie | i suppose you could write the backend driver if youw ant, actuakll | 19:28 |
| termie | a kvs implementation that the driver uses | 19:28 |
| termie | stevemar: you can use the models defined in the design doc, i think they have all the fields required | 19:28 |
| stevemar | i was leaning toward backend, just cause i haven't done one before, might be fun | 19:28 |
| stevemar | yep, they do | 19:28 |
| stevemar | termie: consumer, request and access tables | 19:29 |
| termie | stevemar: sure, pop open a delegated_auth/kvs.py or whatever and write a driver :) | 19:29 |
| termie | stevemar: lemme rebase this on master first | 19:29 |
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| termie | stevemar: you can do pull requests to this branch or you can just work in a fork and we'll consolidate | 19:30 |
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| termie | stevemar: pushed the rebased version to termie/keystone:oauth | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | i'll fork my own version for now, we shouldn't step on each others toes or anything, hopefully | 19:32 |
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| termie | stevemar: groovy | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | dolphm: I filed a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1174844 to which ayoung has added a comment stating his opinion that this is a timeout issue that needs to be solved by lowering the timeout. So is this a bug or not a bug? | 20:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1174844 in keystone "DELETE /v2.0/tokens/{token_id} should remove token from token backend" [Undecided,New] | 20:02 |
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| dolphm | anteaya: i can't say without attempting to reproduce | 20:03 |
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| anteaya | dolphm: okay | 20:11 |
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| anteaya | knowing whether it is a bug or a timeout issue is important for me, do you think I might know by next week? | 20:12 |
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| lifeless | ttx: hey | 20:25 |
| lifeless | ttx: I'd like to setup a tripleo meeting in the openstack meeting channels, weekly. | 20:25 |
| lifeless | ttx: at a time I can live with :) | 20:25 |
| lifeless | ttx: how does one do that? | 20:26 |
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| clarkb | lifeless nab a time on the wiki | 20:27 |
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| ttx | lifeless: one does edit the Meetings page on the wiki | 20:28 |
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| lifeless | ttx: thanks | 20:28 |
| ttx | lifeless: I shall edit the gCal when I get notified of the chnage | 20:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/glance: Don't raise HTTPForbidden on a multitenant environment https://review.openstack.org/27619 | 20:41 |
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| spzala | dolphm: Hi Dolph! there? | 20:45 |
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| dolphm | spzala: in #openstack-meeting atm | 20:46 |
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| spzala | dolphm: ah, OK. Never mind. we can take it later. I will reply to your code review comment... .and thanks for looking at it :) | 20:47 |
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| lifeless | ttx: aiee that page needs sorting | 20:59 |
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| ttx | lifeless: yay it's a wiki | 21:09 |
| ttx | the gCal helps to find an empty slot | 21:10 |
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| termie | dolphm: do you happen to know where topol and stevemar are based? | 22:43 |
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| soody | trying to get started on celiometer.. wondering if there are any videos or talks which talk about how to set it up and how things look in UI | 23:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/quantum: Docstrings formatted according to pep257 https://review.openstack.org/27812 | 23:34 |
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