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| ayoung-afk | any tempest devs here that can answer a question about how integration tests are run? | 02:07 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I would ask david kranz but he doesn't seem to be in right now | 02:08 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I am pretty sure. though, that tempest has the tests in a separate process from the servers | 02:08 |
| jamielennox | sthaha, ianw: how's your tempest? | 02:08 |
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| ayoung | tempest spins up a set of servers and does a bunch of calls against them, different from how Keystone unit tests are run | 02:09 |
| sthaha | ianw, has managed to run tempest on rhel. I have not | 02:09 |
| jamielennox | sthaha: i'm not so worried about setting it up, just how the tests are structured | 02:10 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, you need a running devstack environment | 02:11 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I suspect that what will work against us is the standard fixtures. | 02:11 |
| ayoung | We might need to fix the tests that we would run in tempest to create users on the fly, the way the later tests have been run. We also probably need to make sure the client test would not try to start up its own server. | 02:12 |
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| michchap | if I'm putting a docimpact tag on a stable patch is the line in the commit message "DocImpact grizzly" or stable/grizzly? | 02:28 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: so i guess what is really happening is we are doing it wrong | 02:34 |
| ayoung | Of course | 02:34 |
| ayoung | what should we be doing? | 02:34 |
| jamielennox | looking through tempest it doesn't use keystoneclient, novaclient etc | 02:34 |
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| jamielennox | essentially if you can guarantee that the API is stable then you shouldn't need to test old version of the code because the same API response will take the same path through the code | 02:35 |
| jamielennox | at a random sampling of projects we seem to be the only ones even trying the approach of actually testing old code | 02:36 |
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| jamielennox | and have far and away the ugliest test suite :) | 02:37 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I would argue that we are the ones doing it right, and everyone else is letting backwards compatibility slide | 02:43 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: yea, kinda my thoughts however in which case we should be testing every version | 02:44 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: and i guess the point is what do you do when you find an issue in an old version of a client library | 02:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox spot checking is probably OK | 02:45 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, if the problem is with the client library, no big deal. If there is a problem with a call that it used to make that starts to break OTOH | 02:46 |
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| jamielennox | anyway it would be a fair change for tempest to accept this kind of testing | 02:46 |
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| zhiyan_ | Hey, i meet a issue when i try to push change to openstack-requirement repo for review, can anybody give a hand? | 03:45 |
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| zyluo | zhiyan_, please post your error logs on pastebin.com and share with us | 03:51 |
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| zhiyan_ | zyluo, thanks, resolved by correct url. it's my miss-typeing :) | 03:52 |
| kashyap | ayoung, afazekas is here, tempest core dev.. | 03:53 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Fixes default value of use_default_quota_class https://review.openstack.org/37395 | 03:53 |
| ayoung | kashyap, cool. I think we have our question answered. I am actually about to head to bed | 03:53 |
| kashyap | Good night. | 03:53 |
| zhiyan_ | zyluo, folks, can you help review this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37616/ , a bug resolving need it. thank you all guys. | 03:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: rename quantum into neutron https://review.openstack.org/36779 | 04:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-neutronclient: raise better exception for duplicate match https://review.openstack.org/36703 | 04:56 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Implement validate_connector for Storwize/SVC. https://review.openstack.org/37385 | 04:57 |
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| zyluo | cyeoh, ping | 05:53 |
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| cyeoh | zyluo: hi | 06:02 |
| zyluo | cyeoh, I have a question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37371/ | 06:03 |
| zyluo | cyeoh, should we import an options from contrib? or should it be imported from the new v3 module? | 06:03 |
| zyluo | cyeoh, is the extension in contrib going to be removed in the future release? | 06:04 |
| cyeoh | zyluo: just looking now | 06:04 |
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| cyeoh | zyluo: is this possibly an option that you would want different for the V2 api than for the V3 api ? | 06:05 |
| cyeoh | zyluo: just wondering if we need two separate config options | 06:05 |
| cyeoh | zyluo: i've been putting the v3 specific ones in their own group | 06:06 |
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| cyeoh | zyluo: ah ok I see what has happened with the v3 port, creating two config options the same | 06:07 |
| zyluo | cyeoh, well actually the two options are both registered in the DEFAULT group which is causing the problem | 06:07 |
| zyluo | cyeoh, yes | 06:07 |
| cyeoh | so *eventually* the V2 api will be removed, but I imagine it won't be for quite a while | 06:07 |
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| cyeoh | zyluo: I think what you've done is fine | 06:08 |
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| zyluo | cyeoh, so I guess v2 should import from v3 | 06:08 |
| zyluo | cyeoh, got it | 06:08 |
| cyeoh | zyluo: yep | 06:08 |
| zyluo | cyeoh, thanks | 06:08 |
| cyeoh | zyluo: and I should check if any other ports have made this same mistake :-( | 06:08 |
| zyluo | I've ran through all of them. None that I see | 06:09 |
| cyeoh | zyluo: cool - and thanks for finding and fixing this! | 06:09 |
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| eglynn | ttx: for a patch proposed on milestone-proposed, is it just two core reviewers that are needed as per usual? | 06:14 |
| eglynn | ttx: or some more special blessings, given the proximity of the h2 release being cut? | 06:15 |
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| zyluo | nati_ueno, ping | 06:37 |
| zyluo | amotoki, ping | 06:39 |
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| amotoki | zyluo: pong | 06:43 |
| zyluo | amotoki, just sent you a mail to ask you a favor of reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27196/ | 06:43 |
| amotoki | zyluo: will look. | 06:44 |
| zyluo | amotoki, thx | 06:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix duplicate osapi_hide_server_address_states config option https://review.openstack.org/37371 | 06:57 |
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| ttx | eglynn: no, the backport just needs ptl or relmgr check | 07:03 |
| ttx | eglynn: we basically check tat the patch is in master and the proposed backport is straight | 07:03 |
| ttx | eglynn: no need for classic review, been done already on the master patch | 07:04 |
| ttx | eglynn: so pinging me is enough | 07:04 |
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| ttx | eglynn: approved | 07:05 |
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| eglynn | ttx: excellent, thanks for the clarification! | 07:06 |
| amotoki | zyluo: the change looks good. i have a question. | 07:06 |
| zyluo | amotoki, shoot | 07:07 |
| ttx | eglynn: we additionally check that the bug is targeted to H2 | 07:08 |
| amotoki | zyluo: next and __iter__ are still remaining. | 07:08 |
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| amotoki | zyluo: the only differnce between openstack/common and neutron base is a support of _extra_keys. | 07:08 |
| amotoki | zyluo: neutron code does not have _extra_keys attribute by grep-ing. | 07:09 |
| amotoki | zyluo: so i think we can use next() method in openstack/common. | 07:09 |
| amotoki | zyluo: your thought? | 07:09 |
| zyluo | amotoki, ic so you're saying we can remove the next() from neutronbase and use the one in ModelBase? | 07:10 |
| amotoki | zyluo: i think so thouth i haven't tested yet. | 07:10 |
| zyluo | amotoki, I've tested but an error occurs | 07:11 |
| zyluo | amotoki, that's why I haven't removed it from NeutronBase | 07:11 |
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| zyluo | amotoki, However finding the reason and fixing it is the next thing I'm gonna do. | 07:11 |
| amotoki | zyluo: cool. | 07:12 |
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| amotoki | zyluo: I understand. It looks good to keep your patch and go. | 07:13 |
| zyluo | amotoki, thanks for the review | 07:15 |
| amotoki | zyluo: now testing | 07:15 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Port used limits extension to v3 API Part 1 https://review.openstack.org/35400 | 07:16 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Port used limits extension to v3 API Part 2 https://review.openstack.org/36373 | 07:16 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Fixes Opt type of use_multipath_for_image_xfer https://review.openstack.org/37398 | 07:17 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Fix indent in cincer/volume/configuration.py https://review.openstack.org/37394 | 07:17 |
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| Aarti | dansmith: wanted to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37452/, I think we should make the change of using objects right way to solve this rather than converting it to date time.. | 13:17 |
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| Aarti | dansmith: wanted to know if you are already working on it | 13:18 |
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| dansmith | Aarti: oh, this is when instances are updated but have strings for their datetimes? | 13:24 |
| dansmith | argh, what a mess | 13:24 |
| dansmith | Aarti: I'm in the middle of converting all the instance stuff, but until that is done, I think we're going to need a hack like that in that function to handle the string case as well, | 13:24 |
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| dansmith | just because there are a million places that want to do a save with a dict-based instance | 13:25 |
| dansmith | Aarti: unless you want to enumerate those places and try to convert them to formal objects right away :) | 13:25 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, I am working on 1202651 | 14:55 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: thanks, how's it going? | 15:01 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: easy fix or pain? | 15:01 |
| gyee | should be an easy fix | 15:01 |
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| gyee | I am in the middle of it | 15:02 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: yay, poke me when you have a review! | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Tidy up the SSH call to avoid injection attacks in storwize_svc https://review.openstack.org/37469 | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/cinder: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/37298 | 15:04 |
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| lbragstad | hey nachi, this is your change correct? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33525/ | 15:09 |
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| nachi_ | lbragstad, yes. I saw your review comments. I will post my changes with your comments. Thanks for review | 15:11 |
| lbragstad | nachi_: not a problem, just wanted to make sure I had the right person in IRC for the review. The patch looks great | 15:12 |
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| nachi_ | lbragstad, cool | 15:13 |
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| zhiyan | hey folks, please help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37616/ , a requirement.txt change. for resolve a defect. thanks | 15:13 |
| dolphm_ | nachi_: never write "wip" in a commit message | 15:14 |
| nachi_ | dolphm_: Ok. I will update the commit message | 15:15 |
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| terriyu | jpich: my sister wants her own personal cloud and wanted to "use" OpenStack. Is that possible? | 15:16 |
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| zhiyan | terriyu: cool | 15:17 |
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| jpich | terriyu: She certainly could, if she has some hardware lying around | 15:17 |
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| jpich | Probably with the simplest configuration options or it'll end up overkill to maintain... | 15:18 |
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| terriyu | jpich, zhiyan : can you recommend any guides to installing OpenStack, that are fairly newbie friendly ? | 15:20 |
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| zhiyan | terriyu: single host? multiple host? try? production? | 15:21 |
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| terriyu | zhiyan: I think she wants something simple, that could replace Dropbox | 15:22 |
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| jpich | terriyu: Openstack seems like a different use case than dropbox, though (VMs on demand vs file storage) | 15:23 |
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| zhiyan | jpich: +1, i'm confused....dropbox? | 15:23 |
| jpich | terriyu: Maybe you should clarify what she means by "cloud" first :) | 15:23 |
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| terriyu | zhiyan, jpich : she thought that OpenStack was the open source version of Amazon S3. She's looking for an open source version of Dropbox, where she can store files and manage them via command line | 15:25 |
| terriyu | and also sync the files | 15:25 |
| zhiyan | terriyu: swift is good choice for her? | 15:26 |
| jpich | terriyu: I guess she should be looking at Swift + prerequisites then | 15:27 |
| zhiyan | terriyu: seems she just need a storage cloud, not a computing cloud. | 15:27 |
| jpich | terriyu: These are the official docs, for installation and things: http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-object-storage/admin/content/index.html | 15:29 |
| gyee | dolphm_, https://review.openstack.org/37702 | 15:29 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: looking | 15:35 |
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| ayoung | jdennis1, can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36395/ as I think it will solve one of your problems | 15:37 |
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| terriyu | zhiyan, jpich : Thanks! It's obvious I don't really understand what OpenStack does, despite contributing for a month ... | 15:39 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: still reviewing, but made a comment | 15:39 |
| zhiyan | terriyu: you really cool :) | 15:40 |
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| jpich | terriyu: You're welcome and no worries, it's a big project. It takes a while to understand what all the pieces are and how they fit together | 15:41 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, thanks, I'll address all your comments after you are done with the review | 15:43 |
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| sdague | jd__, dhellmann, or any other ceilo folks. Anyone want to get in on this thread - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012112.html | 15:45 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: done | 15:49 |
| gyee | dolphm_, thanks, gimme a min | 15:49 |
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| gyee | I am updating it | 15:49 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: nice test coverage, btw! | 15:49 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: let me know if any comments don't make sense | 15:51 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, agree with them all :) | 15:52 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, regarding alembic, can we continue to have one table that tracks the state of the database, regardless of whether the migration was run using the existing migrate or alembic? | 16:01 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: pretty sure alembic creates its own table, just like sqlalchemy-migrate does | 16:02 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, if we can use the existing table, many of our issues will go away. Let me research | 16:05 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: what issues? | 16:07 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: i don't understand why you care about their tables | 16:07 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, patch #2 | 16:07 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: looking | 16:10 |
| gyee | dolphm_, I responded to a couple of questions you had on the tests as well | 16:10 |
| gyee | for a custom provider, token_format must set to something else | 16:10 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: cool | 16:10 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: ooh, i like the constants | 16:10 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: doesnt look like you published your comments | 16:13 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: +2'd! ayoung will you take a pass? i'm proposing this for backport now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37702/ | 16:14 |
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| SpamapS | Hrm | 16:15 |
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| SpamapS | why aren't positional config options loaded from config file in oslo.config ? | 16:15 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: thank you sir! | 16:16 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, gyee approved. I'd looked at an earlier version, but changes were already underway | 16:16 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: and thank you | 16:16 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, thanks, sorry for the mess | 16:18 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, yet wtf, where are my previous comments, I am pretty sure I hit the review button | 16:19 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: maybe on a different patch? | 16:19 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: also, no worries | 16:20 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: fix is great | 16:20 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: gyee: backported here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37711/ | 16:20 |
| gyee | k, we're good then | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Create key manager interface https://review.openstack.org/30973 | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Remove unnecessary comments for instance rebuild tests. https://review.openstack.org/37417 | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: xenapi: no glance upload retry on 401 error https://review.openstack.org/36308 | 16:24 |
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| SpamapS | ahh | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | yet another thing fixed in trunk | 16:25 |
| SpamapS | when is oslo.config going to release? | 16:26 |
| lbragstad | gyee: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37702/2 should we not worry about the concatenation format? It's pretty minor | 16:26 |
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| gyee | lbragstad, nice catch on that typo | 16:27 |
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| gyee | lemme upload another one | 16:27 |
| devananda | dhellmann: wsme question, I am trying to change the return status code by creating a wsme.Response() object, but getting AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Response' | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | gyee: thanks, patch looks great but I didn't want to hold anything up | 16:27 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, lbragstad, patch #3, your satisfaction is guaranteed :) | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | gyee: awesome, thanks! | 16:30 |
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| lbragstad | gyee: i'm happy with it, looks great | 16:32 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Disable ssl layer compression for glance requests. https://review.openstack.org/32562 | 16:32 |
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| jd__ | sdague: FYI I do agree with you on that thread, and it's worth noting that llu is part of Ceilometer core team :) | 16:34 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: follow up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37716/ | 16:40 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: this doesn't really need to go into milestone-proposed | 16:40 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, looks good, did you coined the phrase 'disposable code'? I really like that one. | 16:49 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: lol i found myself using it a few times in a short period | 16:50 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: not sure if i came up with it myself or not, but there's a few google results predating my usage | 16:51 |
| gyee | I really like that phrase, so true in OpenStack :) | 16:52 |
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| sdague | jd__: ok, you want to get into the mix and on the thread :) | 16:56 |
| sdague | because it confuses me even more if a ceilo core person is doing that in nova :) | 16:57 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: in my experience, people who develop an emotional attachment to their code find it hard to work on openstack... we move so fast that the disposable nature of everything we do is very apparent | 16:58 |
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| zackf | any nova core devs free to look at this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36138/ it's +2, needs approval. | 17:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/tempest: run_stress.py -h doesn't work without a connection https://review.openstack.org/37180 | 17:45 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/keystone: Support token_format for backward compatibility https://review.openstack.org/37702 | 17:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/swift: Forklift the DiskFile interface into it's own module https://review.openstack.org/37691 | 17:45 |
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| stevemar | keystone folks, anyone know what happened to format_token in keystone/token/controller ? | 18:11 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: token_format? | 18:15 |
| bknudson | there's a plugin for token_provider now. | 18:16 |
| stevemar | bknudson, yes, i'm seeing that, didn't know it dropped in | 18:16 |
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| dolphm_ | stevemar: are you rebasing? | 18:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson, i see issue_token is what I should be using... | 18:17 |
| bknudson | stevemar: things do get merged into keystone occasionally. | 18:17 |
| stevemar | dolphm: yeah, doing it now | 18:17 |
| stevemar | bkudson: ha.... ha... :) | 18:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson* | 18:17 |
| stevemar | dolphm: fyi - new patch of oauth spec is up | 18:18 |
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| dolphm_ | stevemar: seems shorter :P i suspect that's a good thing | 18:22 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: yeah, it was a bit too long before | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: nice writeup on the token stuff | 18:36 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: ayoung writes too well for a tech guy, i suspect he is moonlights as an author | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: probably very likey | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | likely* | 18:37 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: i'm reading it myself, as he wrote in his email, it's very readable | 18:37 |
| dolphm_ | i'm going to go grab a sandwich and read that and the stevemar's oauth review :) | 18:38 |
| stevemar | dolphm: better get a large sandwich or eat slowly, lots to read | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: yeah. It also covers a lot of the conversations had in this channel regarding the bearer tokens. it's nice to see it clearly stated in one place. | 18:39 |
| dolphm_ | stevemar: JJ gargantuan it is | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: oauth eh? | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | hmm. keystone + oauth? i like where this might be going | 18:39 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: i've been working on it for a while, you can check out some of the patches under my username in gerrit | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: yeah, I've seen your name in reviews before. I'm interested to see the OAuth implementation. | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | should be good. I know i've had some requests from customers to use a modified oauth delegation, so i can already see usecases :) | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg: main implementation is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29130/ (im rebasing now to make jenkins happen) | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: yep, thats what i already had open | 18:42 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: oh yeah? i'd love to hear the usecases, if you want to write them up :) | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: mostly it's enterprises who have internal OAuth…sortof… who want to be able to hook keystone into it | 18:43 |
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| morganfainberg | even if your patch-set doesn't hit exactly what they want, it's likely a great starting place. | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | but you know how enterprises work sometimes, we're using an open-standard…but with these changes. | 18:44 |
| dolphm_ | morganfainberg: what version of oauth? | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_: I don't remember, we had to table it due to time constraints. i'll probably bring the conversation back up in the next month or two. | 18:46 |
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| dolphm_ | morganfainberg: cool | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_: depends on other requirements on my time ;) | 18:47 |
| dolphm_ | morganfainberg: are you going to be in hong kong? | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_: absolutely | 18:47 |
| dolphm_ | morganfainberg: i'm sure it will be a big topic there | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_: i look forward to it. I was really glad i was in portland. super happy to be going to the next summit. Planning on camping out in the keystone discussions again this time around. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | discussions/developer sessions. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: should i wait till you're done rebasing for comments on the code? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: or are you interested in comments before the next patchset? | 18:51 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: nah go ahead and comment away; i've rebased in my dev env but haven't verifier that it works, so it might be a while - i keep getting distracted. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ok. cool will do. | 18:52 |
| stevemar | thx | 18:52 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ayoung: so, I see your blog post on keystone vision | 20:23 |
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| Ryan_Lane | once thing you mention is wanting to move towards very short lived tokens | 20:24 |
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| Ryan_Lane | if I log into a web service, I use my username/password and it gets a token | 20:24 |
| Ryan_Lane | if that token only lasts 5 minutes, does the web server need to re-send my username/password? | 20:25 |
| Ryan_Lane | are you splitting generic token lifetime from scoped token lifetime? | 20:25 |
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| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, I would instead use a secure authentication mechanism, not userid and password. | 20:32 |
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| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, but I think you make a good point | 20:32 |
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| ayoung | unscoped tokens could, and probably should, have a longer lifespan when they are used as a proxy for a secure mechanism. THere is no reason that scoped tokens cannot have shorter lifespans | 20:33 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ayoung: a secure authentication method? | 20:40 |
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| ayoung | Client side X509 or Kerberos | 20:40 |
| Ryan_Lane | ayoung: the web server needs to authenticate to keystone on behalf of the user | 20:40 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, S4U2Proxy | 20:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | hah. you think too "enterprisey" | 20:41 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, I am actively working to make it possible | 20:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | ayoung: almost every public cloud is going to use usernames and passwords | 20:41 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, I have an intern working on Kerberos over HTTP support | 20:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | it's a common use case | 20:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | in fact, it's the most common use case, by *far* | 20:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | for web clients that also support "remember me" how do you propose the authentication to keystone occur? | 20:42 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, yep. Doesn't mean it isn't broken | 20:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | this is a problem I have right now | 20:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | I have to increase my token lifetime to a week to support my web clients | 20:43 |
| Ryan_Lane | and I'm being asked to increase it to a month | 20:43 |
| Ryan_Lane | so my unscoped and scoped tokens are going to last for ages | 20:43 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I cache the tokens and reuse them, but it's still a pain | 20:43 |
| Ryan_Lane | and it's not amazingly secure | 20:43 |
| Ryan_Lane | this is a solved problem by OAuth | 20:43 |
| gyee | ayoung, if you bind a token to an x.509 cert, token lifetime can be as long as the cert itself | 20:44 |
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| ayoung | Oauth just kicks the problem down the line | 20:44 |
| ayoung | gyee, nope | 20:44 |
| ayoung | gyee, token needs to be short to handle "you just lost that permission" events | 20:45 |
| gyee | ayoung, yeah, make sense | 20:46 |
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| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, I don't want to give you glib answers. There are solutions, and we can discuss them at length. I have been putting off some company admin stuff to get code in, and need to handle that right now, but lets set up a time to discuss this as a group. | 20:47 |
| gyee | ayoung, would by issue short-live tokens you are shifting perform headache from validate token to issue token? | 20:47 |
| gyee | issuing | 20:47 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, I don't think you are the only person with these kinds of questions and issues. | 20:47 |
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| ayoung | gyee, yeah, the choice is either short lived tokens or token revocation lists. | 20:48 |
| ayoung | Short lived tokens are like OCSP stapling | 20:48 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ayoung: well, it seems like you are actively making my use case harder in the future | 20:49 |
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| Ryan_Lane | and I'm sure as hell not going to store username/password combos in clear text on my web servers | 20:49 |
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| Ryan_Lane | and I'm not going to require users to re-authenticate every 5 minutes either | 20:49 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, I would not expect you to. I think that, if we look at it, we can come up with a more secure and simpler solution for you, not worse | 20:50 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I don't think OAuth kicks it down the line | 20:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | is says "this external service is allowed to do these actions as this user" and it's scoped to the service | 20:50 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, OAuth doesn't specify how authentication is actually done. U/Pw is a poor solution | 20:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | it's not OAuth's job to specify how the auth is done | 20:51 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, and that is what I meant by "Kicks it on down the line" | 20:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | why's that a problem? | 20:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | OAuth uses a token for auth from the external service | 20:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | you log into the application however you're going to do it | 20:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | and that's a *good* thing | 20:52 |
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| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, I don;'t want to ignore you, buit I really have something I need to finish. Can we have this discussion either at the Tuesday meeting, or can we set up a team meeting to talk through all of this? | 20:52 |
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| Ryan_Lane | sure. | 20:52 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: yo | 21:00 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: hey | 21:01 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: new wiki page for OSC? did you *just* do that? | 21:02 |
| dtroyer | last night | 21:02 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: I wanted to get it all done before puting in the redirects | 21:02 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: rgr that, what else needs to get done for 0.1 release? | 21:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/37756 | 21:05 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: the three remaining High priority blueprints at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient | 21:05 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: that list grows faster than items are taken off of it | 21:07 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: no v2 for cinder commands right? | 21:08 |
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| FatDarrel | hi | 21:20 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: right. and for this the image is only v1 as I don't think the v2 APi is finished yet | 21:21 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: ah okay... so we're closing in | 21:21 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: lots of nova commands | 21:22 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: yeah, I haven't added anything actually since the summit and honestly am not worrying about commands/features added to the project CLIs since then either | 21:22 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: we need to get to a point we can tell people to look at it | 21:23 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: i think with quota and limits in now, we can close up the cinder blueprint | 21:27 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I'm waiting until they're both approved. dhellman had a number of things for the quotas and I've made some significant changes, I'd like his blessing before stuffing it in | 21:28 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: image will be complete when the image-v1 review is merged too | 21:29 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: so then it's just nova | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | mikal: ping | 21:33 |
| notmyname | mikal: easier than twitter? | 21:33 |
| mikal | notmyname: probably | 21:34 |
| mikal | notmyname: do you graylist? Could the email be held up in that | 21:34 |
| notmyname | mikal: ya, I've got graylisting, but only for 60 seconds | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | also, same address as last year's conf | 21:34 |
| mikal | Different sender address though... | 21:34 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: did you see what I did to the volume metadata formatting bits? I think I've change everything that was 'metadata' to 'property' for both option names and output fields. | 21:34 |
| mikal | I've sent the team an email to ask, but they wont wake up for a couple of hours | 21:34 |
| notmyname | mikal: ah, ok (wasn't sure about the sending address) | 21:35 |
| notmyname | mikal: thanks. I'll wait :-) | 21:35 |
| mikal | notmyname: thanks man. Please let me know if you don't get it soon and I will keep chasing. | 21:35 |
| notmyname | mikal: is a "I want to talk about Swift and you should let me" proposal sufficient? ;-) | 21:36 |
| mikal | notmyname: heh... possibly a bit more detail? perhaps focus on the cool new stuff in the latest releases? | 21:36 |
| notmyname | mikal: hehe | 21:36 |
| mikal | notmyname: worst case we will come back and ask for more detail | 21:36 |
| notmyname | mikal: I'm going to propose 2. one on global clusters and one on erasure codes | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | mikal: you should approve both! | 21:37 |
| mikal | notmyname: I'd go to both those talks... | 21:37 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: oh, no, i didn't see that, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37720/ ? | 21:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Make compute_api.reboot() use objects https://review.openstack.org/35067 | 21:37 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: yes | 21:37 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: i'll go over it sometime today, my work day is winding down | 21:37 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/neutron: Update the ML2 README file with the latest tunnel changes https://review.openstack.org/37719 | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | mikal: got it. took 45 minutes, but came through :-) | 21:44 |
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| mikal | notmyname: excellent | 21:44 |
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| cyeoh | any devstack cores around? Would appreciate reviews of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33277/ as without it we can't get nova v3 api tests into tempest | 21:46 |
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| dtroyer | cyeoh: lemme have a look…there were some questions when I last looked at it, are those answered? | 21:50 |
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| cyeoh | dtroyer: thanks, I believe so. I asked one of them (its not my changeset, but I really want the functionality through) | 21:51 |
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| dtroyer | cyeoh: ok, cool. +2 | 21:51 |
| cyeoh | dtroyer: thx | 21:52 |
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| jmcbride1 | Using devstack, I issue a GET http://keystone:5000/v2.0/tokens and receive a token that is 1013 characters long. The token does not work when authenticating to other services. | 23:01 |
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| jmcbride1 | ^I meant 1012 characters long | 23:04 |
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| jamielennox | does anyone know what causes: AssertionError: Unable to use discovery, must use python 2.7 or greater, or install the discover package.to fail the python2.6 gate? I've seen the message before but not ever had it fail the tests | 23:42 |
| jamielennox | jmcbride1: 'does not work' is not particularly helpful, is there a log error somewhere. Tokens can be that long | 23:43 |
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| clarkb | jamielennox: yes, its a missing dependency and for some reason old testrepository seems to have worked without it | 23:45 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: add discover to your test-requirements | 23:45 |
| jamielennox | clarkb: thanks | 23:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/nova: Fix HTTP response for PortInUse during boot https://review.openstack.org/34997 | 23:57 |
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