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jgriffith | Anybody else seeing glance image download failures due to "No space left on device"? | 02:22 |
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Yves_ | Hi All | 12:18 |
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Yves_ | I'm planning to start working on this bug | 12:19 |
Yves_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1211784 | 12:19 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211784 in nova "nova-network associates wrong network" [Undecided,New] | 12:19 |
Yves_ | I'd like to talk to someone who is more familiar with the code than me. Hopefully to point me in the right direction | 12:20 |
Yves_ | I think the issue is originated here: | 12:20 |
Yves_ | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/9e9b3328af92cb9697f1aa4be22279b09f0fa14b/nova/network/manager.py#L455 | 12:20 |
Yves_ | networks = self.db.network_get_all(context) should be network_get_all_by_host | 12:21 |
Yves_ | Now I need to figure out where to get the host object from for passing it to this method | 12:21 |
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cyeoh | Hi I was wondering if someone could help me with submitting changesets which have dependencies | 12:39 |
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cyeoh | I have some 4 changesets, each of which is dependent on the previous one and when I do a git review -R it correctly just uploads the latest one | 12:39 |
cyeoh | that i have been working on. | 12:40 |
cyeoh | However when someone I work with does a git fetch on the most recent changeset and adds another changeset on top of that and then does a git review -R, it updates all of them | 12:40 |
cyeoh | rather than just uploading his | 12:41 |
cyeoh | which is a real pain because even though the patch is identical, gerrit thinks it is entirely new and all the reviews are reset. | 12:41 |
cyeoh | does anyone know how to get git review not to do this? | 12:41 |
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jamespage | jd__, around? I'm struggling with a date format issue in the ceilometer test suite | 14:15 |
jd__ | jamespage: yep? | 14:15 |
jamespage | jd__, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5989185/ | 14:15 |
lbragstad | ayoung: morganfainberg hey guys, did a respin of this from yesterday, I know we were talking about it a little. Just wanted to follow up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41484/ | 14:15 |
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jamespage | jd__, I'm assuming that everything should be iso8601? | 14:16 |
jd__ | jamespage: yes… I wonder where that timestring comes from | 14:17 |
jd__ | jamespage: what version of WSME are you using? | 14:17 |
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jamespage | jd__, 0.5b2 | 14:17 |
jd__ | jamespage: well, that's not this one then… :( | 14:18 |
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jd__ | jamespage: I imagine it's Python 2.7? | 14:20 |
jamespage | jd__, I am using a newer version of flask (1.10) | 14:20 |
jamespage | sorry 0.10.1 | 14:21 |
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jd__ | jamespage: oh I thought it was on API v2, right, so that could be the culprit indeed | 14:22 |
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jd__ | they may have changed how they converts datetime timestamp to string | 14:22 |
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jd__ | :( | 14:22 |
jd__ | and we are bound to Flask 0.9 in requirements | 14:22 |
jamespage | jd__, yeah - I spotted that | 14:23 |
jd__ | jamespage: then you should open a bug about that so we work on updating our flask requirement :( | 14:23 |
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jamespage | jd__, ack - will do | 14:24 |
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ayoung | lbragstad, git review ftw: | 15:37 |
ayoung | git review -m 41484,4-5 | 15:37 |
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ayoung | rcrit, I know how you love looking at diffs directly. I have the pip version of git review (which we need to get into Fedora ASAP) that supports the above format, and it should make you happy. No need to look in your browser for code reviews | 15:38 |
rcrit | nice | 15:39 |
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lbragstad | ayoung: nice, you got an updated version? | 15:40 |
lbragstad | you're on 1.22 now? | 15:40 |
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ayoung | lbragstad, yeah | 15:40 |
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lbragstad | ayoung: git review -m is quickly becoming a favorite... | 15:44 |
ayoung | lbragstad, which reminds me, I have an oauth patch to look at | 15:45 |
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stevemar | dolphm_: ping | 15:55 |
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toanster | any Tempest core around? | 16:15 |
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jaypipes | dhellmann: any chance you might be able to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41316/ ? | 16:20 |
jaypipes | toanster: head over to #openstack-qa. we hang in there. | 16:21 |
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nachi | bknudson: I have uploaded a patch implementing your review comments. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38367/. Can you please review when you get a chance | 16:41 |
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matel | Hi guys, I would like to ask about blueprint management. | 17:00 |
matel | When do you set the Work item to done? After the review? | 17:01 |
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dolphm_ | stevemar: belated pong | 18:27 |
kbringard | can anyone give me some background on the decision to have the Dnsmasq dhcp agent class spawn dnsmasq with —no-resolv hardcoded on the command line? | 18:28 |
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stevemar | dolphm_: i pinged you in private chat, talk here or there? I dont wanna swap tabs :P | 18:28 |
dolphm_ | stevemar: private since you sent examples already lol | 18:29 |
stevemar | haha | 18:29 |
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rcrit | ayoung, there are 3 urls in an endpoint: public, admin and internal. What is internal used for, and if we want SSL everywhere, should it be included? | 18:31 |
rcrit | Looking at the openstack-puppet scripts only the public url can be configured with SSL right now | 18:32 |
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dolphm_ | rcrit: internal is intended to be a non-public network interface | 18:42 |
dolphm_ | rcrit: no reason *not* to use ssl there | 18:42 |
rcrit | I was just curious what communicates over it | 18:42 |
rcrit | service to service or something? | 18:42 |
dolphm_ | rcrit: 'admin' was originally assumed to be on the same network interface as 'internal', as opposed to 'public' which was intended to be safe to expose to the internet | 18:42 |
dolphm_ | rcrit: yes | 18:42 |
rcrit | ok, thanks | 18:43 |
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dolphm_ | rcrit: for example... if you were streaming an image from glance, you should definitely use internal if possible, so you can avoid the extra latency and potential bandwidth charges of using a public interface | 18:43 |
rcrit | yes, makes perfect sense | 18:44 |
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lukego | any ml2 mechanism driver hackers around? | 18:56 |
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bknudson | ayoung: could use some help with the comment here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41515/3/keystone/common/ldap/core.py | 19:09 |
bknudson | just to make sure I'm making the change requested. | 19:09 |
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ayoung | bknudson, looking now | 19:20 |
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ayoung | bknudson, So I think you are on it....here;s my thought: what goes into and comes out of that function as origianlly written are two different things | 19:22 |
ayoung | but it is only ever used to make sure that the things being compared are normalized. | 19:22 |
dolphm_ | bknudson: i'm impressed by how verbose of a response you managed to 'so can done?' | 19:22 |
ayoung | So I would encapsulate the normalization so that people do not then attempt to store the normalized form in the remote directory | 19:23 |
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ayoung | bknudson but I would drop the normalize_dn or at least follow lbragstad 's suggestion that it us the internal naming convention. | 19:25 |
ayoung | make the normalize function private to the compare function would also suffice | 19:25 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, can you remove your -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37233/ | 19:29 |
ayoung | you don't need to approve, just that he is taking a very different direction, and I think the reason for our -2s are no longer valid | 19:29 |
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aababilov | hi! | 19:31 |
ayoung | aababilov, go ahead an abandon those reviews that are not going to move forward, so people can focus in on your active work | 19:32 |
ayoung | aababilov, I asked morganfainberg to remove the -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37233/ so that people know that is active | 19:32 |
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ayoung | and that you are taking it in a new direction | 19:32 |
bknudson | ayoung: ok, sounds like I was planning to make the change requested. | 19:33 |
ayoung | bknudson, cool. | 19:33 |
aababilov | I've abandoned the old reviews | 19:35 |
aababilov | here is the new code for keystoneclient.apiclient: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient+branch:master+topic:bp/common-client-library,n,z | 19:35 |
aababilov | I plan at least 3 commits: | 19:35 |
aababilov | 1) auth plugins | 19:35 |
aababilov | 2) exceptions | 19:36 |
aababilov | 3) HttpClient | 19:36 |
aababilov | almost all code keeps backwards compatibility | 19:36 |
ayoung | aababilov, what did you guys decide about backwards compat on the client object constructor? | 19:36 |
aababilov | yes, with Jamie | 19:36 |
aababilov | you can have a look on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42164/2/keystoneclient/httpclient.py | 19:37 |
aababilov | it is almost fully compatible | 19:37 |
aababilov | all old arguments are supported | 19:37 |
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ayoung | aababilov, why "almost?" looks fully compatable to me. What is not compatible? | 19:38 |
aababilov | I think that it is fully compatible, too | 19:39 |
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aababilov | I am just careful :) | 19:40 |
ayoung | so...from a Keystone perspective, this is good, in that the old args are supported. But you had a newer approach. Is there some way to do that as well? | 19:41 |
* ayoung pulls up your old review | 19:41 | |
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aababilov | yes, user can pass a new auth_plugin argument | 19:41 |
aababilov | and I am working at passing HttpClient object | 19:41 |
aababilov | that can be shared between clients to several servers | 19:42 |
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aababilov | (nova, glance, etc.) | 19:42 |
ayoung | so all of your named parameters are supported in the old client? What about cert etc? | 19:42 |
ayoung | Nah that is there... | 19:42 |
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ayoung | aababilov, looks good. I'll give it a thorough review. | 19:43 |
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aababilov | thanks!@ | 19:44 |
aababilov | and this is the current state of the third commit: https://github.com/aababilov/python-keystoneclient/blob/develop/keystoneclient/httpclient.py | 19:44 |
aababilov | it is not ready now, so, I don't publish it on gerrit | 19:44 |
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ayoung | simo, I think I know why KDS is failing jenkins http://paste.openstack.org/show/44257/ on RHEL. | 20:04 |
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ayoung | Suspect there is some libary necessary for one of your requires. | 20:05 |
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ayoung | Didn't happen on master, probably from the crypto inclusion? | 20:05 |
ayoung | my guess is the test nodes don't have the devel libraries for pycrypto>=2.6 | 20:05 |
clarkb | ayoung: was this a devstack node or unittests that failed? devstack nodes should get devstack to install them. unittest nodes will need a puppet update | 20:06 |
ayoung | adding libffi devel and then I'll go through each of them and generate the whole list | 20:06 |
ayoung | clarkb, unittests | 20:06 |
ayoung | building the venv actually | 20:07 |
lbragstad | ayoung: resubmitted and dolphm_ made one more fix before +2'ing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41484/ | 20:07 |
simo | ayoung: uhmm strange, I know other things in openstack depends on pycrypto > 2.6 | 20:07 |
clarkb | libffi-dev should be available on the slaves | 20:08 |
clarkb | I wonder if one slave is no longer talking to puppet. can you link to the change? | 20:08 |
ayoung | clarkb, you know, I am going by my own build, but not the test failures. Let me see if this is sufficient, and, if it is, I'll look at jenkins and see what I missed | 20:08 |
ayoung | clarkb, yeah, that was it for my machine. | 20:09 |
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ayoung | lbragstad, +2 | 20:09 |
ayoung | approved | 20:09 |
ayoung | clarkb, it was smokestack that failed, and log URL gives me http://smokestack.openstack.org/?go=/jobs/105664 | 20:11 |
ayoung | clarkb, jenkins passed, it was smokestack only, guessing smokestack's issues are not a fault of the patch | 20:12 |
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lbragstad | ayoung: thank you sir | 20:12 |
ayoung | simo, I think you are OK. Lets see what happens when you submit the updated version. | 20:13 |
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roaet | Howdy. I submitted a bug to python-neutronclient project (https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1212812) and found/developed a solution soon after. What exactly is the best thing to do in this situation? | 20:35 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1212812 in python-neutronclient "v2_0.Client does not use provided endpoint_url if service catalog is queried" [Undecided,New] | 20:35 |
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clarkb | roaet: you can submit the fix to gerrit | 20:37 |
clarkb | roaet: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute#If_you.27re_a_developer is a good place to start | 20:37 |
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roaet | clarkb: thank you. | 20:40 |
clarkb | roaet: no problem. feel free to ask questions about the process too | 20:40 |
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roaet | clarkb: I had pushed some things upstream awhile ago using gerrit review, but I have since forgotten. :( So it'll take a bit, but otherwise I think I can handle it. :) | 20:41 |
roaet | I just wanted to ensure that there wasn't a problem with me working on the bug I just submitted prior to core/supervisors vetting it for validity. | 20:41 |
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clarkb | well there is the possibility the bug supervisors will mark the bug wont fix or invalid etc. In that case any existing changes can just be abandoned. There isn't anything wrong with submitting code IMO | 20:43 |
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nachi | ayoung: please take a look at the recent patch for migrating ec2 credentials https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38367/ | 21:10 |
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ayoung | nachi, will do. | 21:10 |
nachi | thanks | 21:10 |
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henrynash | ayoung: would you like to do the honors on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39530/ | 21:18 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung: i'll get the −2 removed then. | 21:34 |
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morganfainberg | ayoung: thanks for the heads up here. saw it before i got to looking over gerrit. | 21:36 |
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morganfainberg | lbragstad: Nice on the merge of the logging! | 21:44 |
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lbragstad | morganfainberg: thanks! feels good to have that one through... just pushed up the last little bit of that one (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42224/) | 21:45 |
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ayoung | henrynash, sure...let me take one last look | 21:47 |
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henrynash | ayoung: thx, only changes were in response to bknudson's comments + rebase fro change in location for tests | 21:47 |
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bknudson | henrynash: it looks good to me! | 21:48 |
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henrynash | bknudson: thx | 21:48 |
bknudson | henrynash: you want me to take a stab at the dependency thing? | 21:49 |
bknudson | I offered a couple of suggestions but I don't know if they'll work or not. | 21:49 |
henrynash | bknudson: I guess the other thing is whether we really need assignment init() to be dependant on identity….right now it's so that we can match up the backend type if no assignment driver is specified | 21:50 |
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bknudson | henrynash: it would be nice to not have a circular dependency | 21:50 |
bknudson | would be really nice if startup was more controlled. | 21:51 |
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henrynash | bkundson: agreed…one thing you could do is simply extract the backend 'type' (e.g. sql, ldap) from the identity driver name and construct the equivalent for assignment | 21:51 |
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bknudson | henrynash: that should give equivalent results to what we do today. | 21:52 |
henrynash | bkundson: I suggest we get this patch in…and then come back in and modify this…. | 21:52 |
ayoung | henrynash, looks like you removed the keystone/tests/keystone.domain2.conf file etc? | 21:53 |
ayoung | am I reading that right? | 21:53 |
henrynash | young, hmmm, really? | 21:53 |
ayoung | uh nevermind | 21:53 |
ayoung | diff of patches seems wonky right now | 21:53 |
bknudson | "somebody" finally approved the patch to move tests into keystone! | 21:53 |
henrynash | ayoung: i had to rename them since the tests dir got moved under me | 21:53 |
stevemar | ayoung: morganfainberg: new patch set of oauth if y'all want to check it out, i think it should satisfy mr dolph | 21:54 |
ayoung | henrynash did you change the decorator? | 21:54 |
morganfainberg | stevemar: i just saw. I've got a backlog of stuff to look over, i'll circle around to it tonight :) | 21:54 |
morganfainberg | if i can't get to it earlier. | 21:55 |
ayoung | or was that adifferent patch...I'm losing track | 21:55 |
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henrynash | ayoung: different patch…and I am about to post a new one for that (with a changed decorator) | 21:55 |
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bknudson | strange that ./run_tests test_utils works but test_backend_ldap doesn't run. | 21:56 |
ayoung | cool....approving this one | 21:56 |
ayoung | bknudson, ? | 21:56 |
bknudson | ImportError: No module named default_fixtures | 21:57 |
henrynash | ayoung: excellent, thx | 21:57 |
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ayoung | bknudson, ./run_tests.sh keystone.tests.test_backend_ldap | 21:57 |
bknudson | y, it works when qualified but doesn't when it's not qualified. | 21:57 |
ayoung | test_utils might not have one of the deps... | 21:57 |
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ayoung | ImportError: No module named default_fixtures | 21:58 |
bknudson | I think need to go through and keystone.tests.default_fixtures rher than default_fixtures | 21:58 |
ayoung | bknudson, test_utils doesn't pull in the fixtures | 21:58 |
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ayoung | bknudson, leave it alone. It ain't broke | 21:59 |
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nachi | ayoung: ping | 22:03 |
nachi | keystone-folks: Is anyone able to run the test ./run_tests.sh --nocapture keystone.tests.test_v3_auth. I get an attribute error that it is not able find the test test_v3_auth | 22:05 |
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morganfainberg | nachi: current master? | 22:08 |
nachi | morganfainberg: i just checked on the master branch. it works fine. | 22:08 |
morganfainberg | nachi: ok. | 22:09 |
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ayoung | nachi, haven't gotten to it yet | 22:10 |
nachi | i am updating a test_v3_auth as part of a review. After i update the test i am getting the error | 22:10 |
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morganfainberg | bknudson: reading your attribute mask test fixes. wow, didn't know AD used those values. | 22:12 |
morganfainberg | bknudson: learn something every day. | 22:12 |
nachi | ayoung: ok | 22:12 |
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bknudson | morganfainberg: AD has a bit mask for user attributes when you use the users it creates... | 22:12 |
morganfainberg | bknudson: yep, i know that now. | 22:13 |
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bknudson | morganfainberg: you see the TODO comment here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40989/2/keystone/tests/test_backend_ldap.py | 22:17 |
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morganfainberg | bknudson: yep. | 22:17 |
bknudson | server is returning the attribute value as enabled when create user. | 22:18 |
morganfainberg | it's why i went and did some reading. | 22:18 |
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nachi | ayoung: morganfeinberg: I am updating test_v3_auth as part of a review. I have added the following import statement in my test from keystone.openstack.common.crypto import utils . When i try to run the test like ./run_tests.sh keystone.tests.test_v3_auth i get an AttributeError saying the test not found. When i comment the import statement, and i run test it works fine. Is there anything i am doing incorrect | 22:31 |
ayoung | nachi, I wonder if something is wrong in the import. Try doing ./run_test.sh -u | 22:33 |
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ayoung | nachi, cuz that import looks right | 22:34 |
nachi | ayoung: ok. | 22:34 |
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ayoung | nachi, but it might be that something is not in your venv, or the utils requires something not in our requirements.txt . I know a later patch adds in a requires for ssl. | 22:34 |
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ayoung | nachi try adding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37118/10/requirements.txt | 22:34 |
nachi | ayoung: ok. | 22:35 |
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nachi | ayoung: after adding the dependency in the requirement.txt it works now. I was assuming the pycrypto was already added in requirements.txt | 22:39 |
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jerryz | hi everybody. today when i run devstack the following test fails | 22:54 |
jerryz | send: 'PUT /testbucket/bundle.img.part.00 HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: 127.0.0.1:3333\r\nAccept-Encoding: identity\r\nContent-MD5: HJBPDGBepLXYpTGoIeqJ4g==\r\nContent-Length: 144\r\nExpect: 100-Continue\r\nDate: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 22:44:20 GMT\r\nUser-Agent: Boto/2.10.0 (linux2)\r\nContent-Type: application/octet-stream\r\nAuthorization: AWS a0e3906d08284e5e94efa5d9dc9efc52:k2CCkXsOXFBF0Wr33AV4fY22qek=\r\nx-amz | 22:54 |
jerryz | -acl: aws-exec-read\r\n\r\n' | 22:54 |
jerryz | reply: 'HTTP/1.1 200 OK\r\n' | 22:54 |
jerryz | header: Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 | 22:54 |
jerryz | header: Etag: "1c904f0c605ea4b5d8a531a821ea89e2" | 22:54 |
jerryz | header: Content-Length: 0 | 22:54 |
jerryz | header: Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 22:44:20 GMT | 22:54 |
jerryz | Uploaded image as testbucket/bundle.img.manifest.xml | 22:54 |
jerryz | ++ euca-register testbucket/bundle.img.manifest.xml | 22:54 |
jerryz | ++ cut -f2 | 22:54 |
jerryz | + AMI='S3ResponseError: Unknown error occured.' | 22:55 |
jerryz | + die_if_not_set 57 AMI 'Failure registering testbucket/bundle.img' | 22:55 |
jerryz | + local exitcode=0 | 22:55 |
jerryz | ++ set +o | 22:55 |
jerryz | ++ grep xtrace | 22:55 |
jerryz | + FXTRACE='set -o xtrace' | 22:55 |
jerryz | + set +o xtrace | 22:55 |
jerryz | + timeout 15 sh -c 'while euca-describe-images | grep S3ResponseError: Unknown error occured. | grep -q available; do sleep 1; done' | 22:55 |
jerryz | grep: Unknown: No such file or directory | 22:55 |
jerryz | grep: error: No such file or directory | 22:55 |
jerryz | grep: occured.: No such file or directory | 22:55 |
jerryz | close failed in file object destructor: | 22:55 |
jerryz | sys.excepthook is missing | 22:55 |
jerryz | lost sys.stderr | 22:55 |
jerryz | + euca-deregister S3ResponseError: Unknown error occured. | 22:55 |
jerryz | Only 1 argument (image_id) permitted | 22:55 |
jerryz | + die 65 'Failure deregistering S3ResponseError: Unknown error occured.' | 22:55 |
jerryz | could anyone tell me how to fix that | 22:56 |
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clarkb | jerryz: please use a paste service to show large amounts of text. It looks like euca-register failed which set $AMI to a valuethat broke grep | 22:59 |
clarkb | I am not sure what causes that or how to fix it. You might try running the commands by hand to see if you can get any more info about the problem. Also, look in your logs | 22:59 |
kbringard | is anyone who works on the dhcp_agent dnsmasq code around? | 22:59 |
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kbringard | I've run into what appears to be a fairly major oversight/bug, but wanted to see if I was missing something before I filed a bug | 23:01 |
morganfainberg | ayoung / bknudson: for a change that needed rebase for merge (tests -> keystone/tests), I uploaded a rebased version (was +2/+2/+1) with no changes, do we just push that through or wait for the +2/+2 again? (jenkins says it passed) - this wasn't my changeset, but i figured it was easy to rebase in this case. | 23:05 |
kbringard | ahha, actually, seems it may have been fixed… https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1181378 | 23:06 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1181378 in neutron "dhcp-agent network namespace does not have a default route, can't use upstream dns" [Medium,Fix released] | 23:06 |
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bknudson | morganfainberg: I think I read on openstack-dev that it was ok to approve a simple rebase. | 23:10 |
morganfainberg | bknudson: i wasn't sure and i don't want to overstep, yanno. :) | 23:11 |
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bknudson | what's the worst that can happen? | 23:11 |
morganfainberg | lol zuul/gerrit gets unhappy | 23:11 |
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morganfainberg | zuul/gerrit/jenkins | 23:11 |
bknudson | jenkins deserves it for being such a bitch lately. | 23:12 |
morganfainberg | LOL yeah right? | 23:12 |
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morganfainberg | i'm seeing a strange error running flake8 now =/ | 23:12 |
morganfainberg | sigh. it passes | 23:12 |
morganfainberg | but something about error importing Full | 23:12 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, which change? | 23:15 |
morganfainberg | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22694/25,publish | 23:15 |
morganfainberg | whoopse | 23:16 |
morganfainberg | -1 the ,publish :P | 23:16 |
morganfainberg | it passed gate just jgit couldn't merge. | 23:16 |
morganfainberg | i did a local rebase went thought with no modifications | 23:16 |
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ayoung | morganfainberg, I just re-approved | 23:17 |
morganfainberg | ayoung: cool. | 23:17 |
morganfainberg | thanks | 23:17 |
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roaet | Do I have to re-register with openstack.org/register since my CLA expired from 2012? | 23:37 |
roaet | I'm trying to sign the CLA but it is giving me an error about my e-mail not being what was registered with, but it most definitely is. | 23:37 |
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jamielennox | I'm looking through alessio's latest apiclient: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42164 | 23:51 |
jamielennox | do we care about the integrity of the base HTTPClient init parameters? | 23:52 |
jamielennox | No one else *should* be using that, but i know it is used in a number of tests | 23:52 |
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