Friday, 2013-09-27

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ayoungmorganfainberg, I went ahead and approved the two changes we discussed to day:  Oauth and the 404 one.  If they pass Jenkins, they will get putinto the merge queue and probably be done by tomorrow.  If they don't, no harm done.01:00
morganfainbergayoung, sounds good01:00
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48553/02:26
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morganfainbergbknudson, out of curiosity, you seeing that error in devstack?02:26
morganfainbergbknudson, devstack + ldap?02:27
bknudsonmorganfainberg: yes, it's running devstack + ldap02:27
morganfainberghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/48189/02:27
morganfainbergdevstack isn't using the standard ignore attributes02:27
morganfainbergthen need to be updated to reflect the last change02:27
bknudsonmorganfainberg: we shouldn't need that change. The server should protect itself.02:27
morganfainbergdo we also want to filter out in create?02:27
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: the change was made to search, so seems like would need the same change for add?02:28
morganfainbergbknudson, sounds good to me.  i think that change should be in place in either case since previously it would ignore tenant_id.02:28
morganfainbergbknudson, not arguing that point, i'm fine with it in both places.02:29
morganfainbergbknudson, it totally makes sense to filter there too02:29
morganfainberg*sighs* time to reverify policy change _again_02:30
morganfainbergbknudson, +2 on that review you posted btw.02:30
morganfainberglooks good to me.02:30
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: I'm running devstack with the change now, so we'll see how it goes02:31
morganfainbergbknudson, sounds good.02:31
bknudsonand should be able to run live ldap tests.02:31
morganfainbergbknudson, it seems quite sane from this perspective.02:31
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ayoungbknudson, open a bug first, please02:32
bknudsonayoung: I opened a bug but I forgot to ref it in the commit message, so will update.02:33
ayoungcool02:33
ayoungbknudson, that looks like the same fix we put in to create02:33
bknudsonalso noticed this...02:33
bknudsondef search_s(self, dn, scope, query, attrlist=None):02:33
bknudsonattrlist = [attr for attr in attrlist if attr is not None]02:33
bknudsonwould fail if attrlist is None02:34
bknudsonwhich is the default.02:34
ayoungyeah, that is the one02:34
ayoungthat was recent.02:34
bknudsonnot sure why I didn't notice it when reviewed02:34
ayoungit was a pretty hefty review, and the cahnge was made in the middle of the process02:34
morganfainbergbknudson, i don't think we ever pass in an empty attrlist, but it could cause an issue.02:34
morganfainbergif we did02:34
morganfainbergayoung, you know where the neutron types hang out?  I need some help chasing down which bug i should recheck policy against…. trying to be a good community member.02:35
ayoungdda19c3902:36
ayoungmorganfainberg, the only ones I know of are either here on the east coast and long asleep or in Tel Aviv02:36
ayoungmorganfainberg, which failure02:36
ayoungbknudson, commit is dda19c3902:36
ayoung    Change-Id: I07f9dfe111646884ac5efd42fc8c2974188b3b9402:37
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morganfainbergayoung, ahh dolph beat me to it02:37
morganfainbergnvm02:37
ayoungbknudson, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46207/02:37
bknudsonayoung: I did review that one a few times, but didn't comment on that line since didn't notice it.02:40
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morganfainbergbknudson, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48558/02:43
morganfainbergbknudson, i think the memcache version is 1.48 that introduced the cas_cache kwarg 2x checking now.02:44
bknudsonmorganfainberg: thanks for looking into that.02:45
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bknudsonnot sure what we're going to do with it... we're running RHEL 6.4.02:46
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bknudsonayoung: looks like about half the _ldap_livetest are failing...02:46
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morganfainbergbknudson, and they weren't before you changed that line?02:48
morganfainbergbknudson, [assuming default_project_id is in the attribute_ignore]02:48
bknudsonI haven't run it. actually the failure indicates it'll be fixed by 4855802:49
morganfainbergbknudson, ah.02:49
bknudsonit's looking happier now02:50
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morganfainbergbknudson, thats always good.  happier is def. good.02:50
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bknudsonfailed on this new test: ERROR: keystone.tests._ldap_livetest.LiveLDAPIdentity.test_create_project_case_sensitivity02:51
morganfainbergbecause ldap isn't case sensitive where that test is expecting?02:52
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: right, it's the attribute that was chosen.02:55
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: keystone.tests._ldap_livetest.LiveLDAPIdentity.test_project_update_missing_attrs_with_a_falsey_value03:01
bknudsonINVALID_SYNTAX: {'info': 'description: value #0 invalid per syntax', 'desc': 'Invalid syntax'}03:01
bknudsonthat's a different one.03:01
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morganfainbergbknudson, that was added, uhm… sec03:02
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morganfainbergbknudson, that is a relatively new test iirc03:03
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morganfainberghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/48266/5/keystone/tests/test_backend.py03:03
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: real ldap must have a requirement that description attribute is not 0-length03:05
morganfainbergbknudson, ah.03:05
bknudsonnot sure what the correct behavior is... we don't know what the server is going to do.03:05
bknudsonsomeone might choose an attribute that is allowed to be 0-length03:05
bknudsonso seems safest to pass it on and report the failure like it's doing.03:05
morganfainbergbknudson, i think the correct behavior in that case is to not run that test.03:05
morganfainbergbknudson, that works as well.03:06
bknudsonmorganfainberg: or run the super and catch the exception.03:06
morganfainbergbknudson, we can't control the mapping really.03:07
morganfainbergbknudson, if someone picks some random attribute, and it supports one thing vs another, i think just reporting the error is the best course, unless we really need to do something else.03:07
* morganfainberg learns to cut down on commas someday.03:08
morganfainbergbknudson, on that note, unless you need me for something i think i'm gonna go get some food and check out for a few hours.03:09
bknudsonmorganfainberg: I'll probably post this once I get through the different issues.03:09
morganfainbergbknudson, ok, sounds good. i'll look for it in a little bit.03:10
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48569/03:41
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ttxboris-42: hoi07:23
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boris-42ttx hii07:25
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boris-42ttx how are you?07:25
ttxboris-42: very well, thank you. How about you ?07:25
boris-42ttx going to announce Rally (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally) on monday so hot=)07:26
boris-42ttx I have some small question (not connected with Rally) but with other project refstack. I got information that you are interested to get it working?)07:27
boris-42ttx is it true?07:27
ttxIn getting refstack working ? That would mean I understand what the term "refstack" actually covers07:27
ttxsince it's been (ab)used for at least 3 different things so far07:28
boris-42ttx this thing http://refstack.org/07:28
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boris-42ttx so I also don't know what this should cover07:28
boris-42ttx and use cases=)07:29
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ttxboris-42: I'm following the refstack adventures, but I'm staying out of it atm07:29
ttxboris-42: this site is the premiminary parking website for the future API conformance testing side of refstack07:30
boris-42ttx yeah but "use cases" are not so clear for me..07:30
ttxboris-42: mordred could tell you moire about it07:30
boris-42ttx thanks07:31
ttxboris-42: the general idea is to prove interoperability07:31
ttxthe effort was stalled since the original push, and everything was a bit delayed in the "core" discussion07:31
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boris-42ttx heh07:32
boris-42ttx btw combining this thing and Rally we could make list of TOP 500 OpenStack clouds=)07:33
ttxboris-42: people behind refstack would be mordred, jmckenty and zehicle07:34
boris-42ttx ok I will ping them07:34
boris-42ttx thanks for information =)07:34
ttxsorry I can't be of more help, I'm a bit confused about its state myself07:34
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boris-42ttx not only you=)07:35
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rpodolyakaguys, when is havana-rc1 going to be released?08:02
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ekarlsolifeless: how can I change which base image to use so disk-image-builder uses precise ?11:35
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lifelessat the moment, export DIB_RELEASE=precise11:37
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exeddoes somebody heard of an issue with SSL handshake within the network stack? we currently have the problem, that we aren't able to e. g. download from repos(https) because of an hanging ssl handshake initialize. any ideas? thanks!11:41
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ekarlso /win 3711:45
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tellesnobregahello, im new to the community and i was going through the bugs list and found this bug12:08
tellesnobregahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/117683812:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1176838 in keystone "created date and time of tenants/users/roles for tracking purpose" [Wishlist,Confirmed]12:08
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tellesnobregai would like to be assigned to solve this bug12:09
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tellesnobregaits a db table change, should i implement for ldap and sql or just one of them?12:10
yulinzhello everyone. I want to install devstack multi nodes behinds a proxy. But I always has the error "ERROR: cannot import name base"12:10
yulinzthanks12:10
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SnowDustopenstack heat question12:15
SnowDustcan anyone answer ?12:15
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tellesnobregacan anyone help me?12:17
therveSnowDust, Sure12:18
SnowDustheat question ..12:18
SnowDustusing python-heatclient for creating a heat stack12:18
SnowDust parameters = {"KeyName": "heatkey",12:19
SnowDust                      "Flavor": flavor["name"],12:19
SnowDust                      "VolumeSize": volume_size,12:19
SnowDust                      "ServiceType": "mysql",12:19
SnowDust                      "InstanceId": self.id}12:19
SnowDust        stack_name = 'trove-%s' % self.id12:19
SnowDust        stack = client.stacks.create(stack_name=stack_name,12:19
SnowDust                                     template=heat_template,12:19
SnowDust                                     parameters=parameters)12:19
SnowDust        stack = client.stacks.get(stack_name)12:19
SnowDusthere client = HeatClient.Client object12:19
thervePlease use paste.openstack.org next time12:19
SnowDustmeans ?12:19
SnowDustok i will learn :D12:19
SnowDustbt .. for now my problem is ..  what are the correct parameters12:20
SnowDusti dont know ..12:20
SnowDustits a code from openstack-trove  project12:20
therveIt depends on your template12:20
SnowDustok .. let me check the template12:20
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therveThey are specified in the "Parameters" section of it12:20
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SnowDusthttp://paste.openstack.org/show/47593/12:23
SnowDusthere is the paste url12:23
SnowDustfor template12:23
SnowDustbut i am getting error .. "The server could not comply with the request since it is either malformed or otherwise incorrect.", "code": 400, "error": {"message": "The Key (heatkey) could not be found."12:24
therveSnowDust, You need a nova keypair named "heatkey"12:25
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SnowDusttherve: much tx !12:34
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SnowDusti got past that error12:34
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SnowDustcan anyone help me with this error for heat http://paste.openstack.org/show/47594/12:37
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tellesnobregai would like to solve this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/117683812:50
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1176838 in keystone "created date and time of tenants/users/roles for tracking purpose" [Wishlist,Confirmed]12:50
tellesnobregacan i just go ahead and assing to myself?12:51
dimsyes you can tellesnobrega12:52
tellesnobregathank you.12:52
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raildo_ hi, i am new here and I was looking for a simple bug to start the open stack.12:57
raildo_ so, i'm find the bug "Documentation doesn't explain how to install virtualenv"12:58
raildo_ bug #117568612:58
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1175686 in keystone "Documentation doesn't explain how to install virtualenv" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117568612:58
raildo_can i try to fix this bug?12:58
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raildo_it's really simple?12:58
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ekarlsoliefping13:05
ekarlsolifeless: ping13:05
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ekarlsoanyone else here familiar with DiskImage Builder ?13:11
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SnowDustekarlso: ask ur question13:15
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bigmstoneSnowDust: you scared him. :(13:24
SnowDustoopz13:24
bigmstone:P13:24
SnowDustekarlso : plz ask .. i wanted to help :)13:25
SnowDustbuddies here :)13:25
bigmstoneLol. Much nicer.13:25
SnowDustok !13:25
raildo_ hi, i am new here and I was looking for a simple bug to start the open stack.so, i'm find the bug "Documentation doesn't explain how to install virtualenv" bug #117568613:25
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1175686 in keystone "Documentation doesn't explain how to install virtualenv" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117568613:25
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raildo_can i try to fix this bug?13:26
raildo_it's really simple?13:26
SnowDustraildo_ : free as beer .. opensource .. go ahead :) help us out on this gr8 product13:26
raildo_thanks!13:26
ekarlsoSnowDust: asked in #tripleo13:27
ekarlso:)13:27
SnowDustgood ..13:27
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ayoungraildo_, if you are looking for bugs to fix, I have a few Keystone ones you can help with....13:32
dsantos_Hi guys, I'm starting to contribute to OpenStack now and I found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1230360. I was thinking to fix it. Is it really a bug?13:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1230360 in keystone "keystone-all --log-file logs to stdout" [Low,New]13:34
nerminahi matel13:34
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raildo_ayoung: you could tell me better about these bugs, I'm looking for some bugs not complex to begin13:35
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nerminamatel: ping me when you get the chance13:37
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ayoungraildo_, ok..lets see on the buglist https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/   ...13:44
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ayoungraildo_, lets just look at new ones...ones no one is looking at13:45
ayounghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New13:45
ayounghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/122427313:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1224273 in keystone "Need a test to verify token's do not get data creep" [Medium,New]13:46
ayoungthat one is just writing a test, should be a good start to Keystone development13:46
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ayoungbut...it requires some deep understanding of tokens...let me see13:46
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dsantos_ayoung: as I said before, I found this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1230360. May I try to fix?13:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1230360 in keystone "keystone-all --log-file logs to stdout" [Low,New]13:48
raildo_ayoung: I found the bug 1175686, https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1175686 , I thought to solve it, I thought it would be simple.13:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1175686 in keystone "Documentation doesn't explain how to install virtualenv" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117568613:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1175686 in keystone "Documentation doesn't explain how to install virtualenv" [Low,Confirmed]13:49
dsantos_I'm looking for new bugs, as raildo_13:49
raildo_I'll look at that you pointed me too.13:49
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ayoungraildo_, oh, yes, I saw you mention that, and fixing that first would be great.13:51
ayoungraildo_, I'm trying to find something code wise of real value that will not otherwise get fixed, but that will be simple enough for you to get your head around13:51
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raildo_ayoung: ok, dsantos_ is also looking bug, along with me, being able to find a bug for it too, we will thank you.13:53
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ayoungraildo_, a really useful thing would be to look at these https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+expirable-bugs  and figure out if any of them are valid.14:06
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ayoungraildo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1158083  is a pretty good one.14:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1158083 in keystone "DB migration 15 fails with data in the user_tenant_membership table" [High,Incomplete]14:07
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dolphmbknudson: morganfainberg: o/ i'm trying to wrap my head around bug 123177214:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1231772 in keystone "Cannot create a user with LDAP backend" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123177214:14
dolphmand whether it should be targeted RC114:14
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dolphmbknudson: morganfainberg: is this a result of the default ldap configuration? can you configure around it?14:15
bknudsondolphm: you might be able to configure around it14:15
bknudsonI didn't try.14:15
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bknudsondolphm: it had to do with None values for mappings, so if you set up all your mappings so that none of your attrs mapped to None then you wouldn't hit it14:16
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raildo_ayoung: we will see this bug too, are in 3 developers here. I appreciate the help and hope to resolve as quickly as possible.14:17
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dsantos_ayoung: I gonna get this bug to fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1158083.14:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1158083 in keystone "DB migration 15 fails with data in the user_tenant_membership table" [High,Incomplete]14:19
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dolphmdsantos_: much appreciated!14:19
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mordredboris-42: davidlenwell is working on it right now14:30
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shardydolphm, ayoung: ping14:34
dolphmbknudson: targeting RC1 then- have time to write a test today?14:35
shardydolphm: wanted to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48462/14:35
dolphmshardy: pong14:35
shardydolphm: Hi!14:35
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shardydolphm: I'm trying to fix a trusts issue in Heat, and we need v2 support, added by that patch14:35
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shardydolphm: Is it at all possible that we can make that happen for Havana?14:36
dolphmshardy: on the client side?14:36
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shardydolphm: Yes, the API already supports it, but we need client support14:36
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dolphmshardy: there's no such thing as havana on the client side :)14:36
bknudsondolphm: I'm looking into writing a test... thought I could just change fakeldap to fail on None attrnames, but we must have a different config during test than with live ldap14:37
shardydolphm: Well we need that patch in a keystoneclient release, or we can't merge the Heat patch..14:37
dolphmshardy: the next release will likely be v0.3.3 though, i'm hoping to cut that very soon14:37
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dolphmshardy: understood14:37
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shardydolphm: If there is any chance we can get that patch in I'll buy you a beer in HK ;)14:38
dolphmshardy: in a release or in master?14:38
shardydolphm: we need to get it in a releas, so I can bump the requirements14:38
shardyrelease..14:38
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dolphmshardy: and you're right, the impact of trusts on v2.0 is completely undocumented and untested14:39
shardydolphm: I've found some gotchas (bug reports pending), but it does appear to work14:40
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shardydolphm: the issue we have is we need trust-scoped-tokens to access the ec2tokens extension, which is v2 only14:40
shardydolphm: would you be open to a patch porting that to the v3 API?14:41
shardy(during Icehouse)14:41
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dolphmshardy: porting ec2 tokens? sure14:42
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shardydolphm: Ok, cool, we'd like to move to v3-only client calls during Icehouse14:42
dolphmshardy: i *believe* that's the last v2 extension that doesn't have parity in v314:42
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shardydolphm: Ok, well if you don't already have someone looking at that, I may be able to help out14:43
dolphmshardy: thanks for volunteering :)14:43
shardydolphm: I'll also look at adding some more v2 auth tests w/trusts as I see there aren't many14:43
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dolphmshardy: did you try generating trust scoped token on v3 and accessing the v2 ec2tokens extension?14:43
dolphm(using that v3 token)14:44
dolphmshardy: are there any?14:44
shardydolphm: the problem is keystoneclient tries to get a new token14:44
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dolphmshardy: ah14:44
shardydolphm: I think I saw two14:44
dolphmshardy: that's no good14:44
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shardydolphm: I tried using the auth_ref v3->v2 but that doesn't work14:44
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shardydolphm: so the best solution I think, atm, is to get a properly trust-scoped token via each version of the client14:45
dolphmshardy: +2 for the client side patch, but i don't know the api -- so, i'd definitely like ayoung to review that14:45
shardydolphm: Ok, thanks!14:45
dolphmshardy: i'll also add the bug to the v0.3.3 lsit14:45
shardydolphm: much appreciated :)14:45
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ayoungmorganfainberg, I think the "remimplemnt the kvs backends via dogpile" might be the killer feature for Icehouse...one of them, anyway.15:30
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ayoungshardy, I'm reviewing you patch now15:32
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ayoungpatch looks ok.  I assume you have tested it against a liver server?15:33
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ayoungshardy, also, what happend with the credentials/trust patch?  No one ever followed up on it15:34
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dolphmayoung: FF, and i don't believe those changes are necessary, as i understand them15:52
dolphmayoung: a trust-based token with impersonation or an oauth delegation would solve the same use case15:53
dolphmayoung: the ec2 tokens patch was based on a trust token without impersonation15:53
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ayoungdolphm, FF?15:54
ayoungfast forward15:54
dolphmayoung: feature freeze15:54
ayoungdolphm, right15:54
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ayoungdolphm, figured that, if they needed it, they would have fought for an extension....seemed essential to them15:55
ayoungah...ok15:55
ayoungdolphm, anyway, the client change looks good, but would like to confirm that it has actually been tested against a live server15:55
ayoungdolphm, the keystoneclient tests don't spin up a keystone server....do they?15:56
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dolphmayoung: keystone.tests.test_keystoneclient does15:57
dolphmayoung: as does tempest, of course15:57
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ayoungdolphm, yeah, but the keystone tests were not run with the client submission.  in effect, If we approve that change, it will be going through with no integration testing15:58
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ayoungso, while I am not worried about him breaking some existing functionality, I'd like to know what testing was done.  Ideally, he'd have another review submitted to tempest that tests this feature15:59
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devanandag'morning, all! is there a policy for picking the keystone "service_type" for a new openstack service? Eg, for Ironic, we're thinking the registered service type should be either "baremetal" or "provisioning"15:59
ayoungdolphm, you know what would be really cool?  If we could submit one change request with patches to both keystone and tempest at the same time.  The keystone devs would have to sign off on Keystone, and tempest devs would have to sign off on tempest, but they would get run through the gate together....16:00
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dolphmayoung: submit the tests to tempest as optional or skipped, submit to keystone, make tests in tempest required16:01
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dolphmayoung: it's just three steps instead of two16:01
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ayoungdolphm, but that is so non-transactional16:03
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dolphmayoung: lol16:03
dolphmdevananda: there is not... other than 'the project name is not really a good choice'16:04
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devanandadolphm: heh :) thanks16:04
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dolphmdevananda: both of those options sound fine to me, as long as you strictly support exactly one string16:04
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bknudsondolphm: morganfainberg: New version with tests for create user problem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48553/16:10
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ayoungbknudson, looks good.  Please remember to ping me on LDAP patches16:25
bknudsonayoung: will do.16:25
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bknudsonI thought you had seen this one yesterday...16:26
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ayoungbknudson, I was in on the discussion, but not the review request.16:27
bknudsonayoung: I added you to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48558/ also16:29
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ayoungbknudson, looking16:38
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dsantos_hi everyone, is there some doc showing how to specify the version to migrate the keystone db?17:05
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gyeedsantos_, keystone-manage db_sync <version>17:10
dsantos_gyee: thanks xD I did try the opposite (keystone-manage <version> db_sync)17:11
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gyeedsantos_, db_sync is the command and <version> is the parameter so it needs to be on the right hand side. After that, you can also check the migrate_version table to see which version you are at.17:13
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nerminasgordon?17:14
sgordonnermina, mmmyes17:15
nerminalol17:15
nerminagot a question. have a few mins?17:15
sgordonsure17:15
nerminai was working on a bug and contacted the author about it. so i started a branch before talking to him.17:16
nerminalong story short…he committed the fix on the same branch. how do i get rid of mine?17:16
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nerminai made a bunch of small edits btw17:17
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nerminaor should i just commit even though it's not the meat of the matter?17:18
sgordonnermina, probably attempt a "git pull --rebase"17:18
sgordonand then attempt to merge your edits if/when it conflicts17:18
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nerminahope no one objects that the stuff is unrelated17:19
nerminait was just typos and section edits17:19
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nerminathank you!17:19
nerminasgordon, you've actually reviewed it. it's about xenserver.17:20
sgordonhah!17:20
dsantos_gyee: thanks again... I'll try that.17:20
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nerminathanks, sgordon. hope you're having a fabulous day!17:21
sgordonit's friday, what could possibly go wrong ;p17:21
nerminaoh don't say that!17:22
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tellesnobregaayoung: i'm very new to openstack and i could use your judgement here, do you think this bug is a good bug to start contributing https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/117683817:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1176838 in keystone "created date and time of tenants/users/roles for tracking purpose" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:27
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tellesnobregaanyone who can answer me as well is very welcome to do so17:28
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roaettellesnobrega: I believe it would be pretty simple. you can figure out how to move to oslo db by simply looking at how the other projects did it (which ones did, I'm not sure)17:31
tellesnobregafirst thing is to implement in sql and them move to oslo right?17:32
roaetI believe the bug comments states that you'd 'get them for free' if you move to oslo.17:32
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roaetSo you may be able to skip the first step.17:32
tellesnobregai see, so the problem solution is to change the db from sql to oslo17:33
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tellesnobregai have to check it out what oslo is and how it works, i havent looked into it yet17:34
lucasagomesdhellmann, can you take a look at http://fpaste.org/42754/ ? I think wsme is broken (same error on seen on ironic and tuskar)17:34
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morganfainbergbknudson, looking at that now.17:54
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tellesnobregamorganfainberg: can you help understand this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/117683818:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1176838 in keystone "created date and time of tenants/users/roles for tracking purpose" [Wishlist,Confirmed]18:05
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tellesnobregawhat does migrate to oslo mean?18:05
dolphmtellesnobrega: i believe oslo db base models already provide for this functionality18:05
tellesnobregayes, is keystone db using oslo?18:06
roaettellesnobrega: nope18:07
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tellesnobregaok, i need to change keystone db to use oslo them18:08
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dolphmtellesnobrega: a tiny bit, see keystone.common.sql.core -- victor sergeyev started the work at the end of havana-318:09
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dolphmtellesnobrega: see these patches http://pasteraw.com/3qclu6ujue2qqahobhho9eofz51z3u918:10
tellesnobregadolphm: thanks. I will take a look18:10
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tellesnobregadolphm: since he is already working on it, should I try this too or look for some other bug to fix?18:14
morganfainbergdolphm, maybe policy can get through gate today! *hopes*18:14
raildodolphm: in relation to https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1175686 bug, I noticed that you suggested adding the words "pip install virtualenv" instead of apt-get right? This should be done in section  http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/setup.html#pypi-packages-and-virtualenv?18:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1175686 in keystone "Documentation doesn't explain how to install virtualenv" [Low,In progress]18:14
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dolphmtellesnobrega: well, this isn't a bug, it's a new feature :P18:14
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dolphmmorganfainberg: seriously! that one is killing me18:15
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dolphmraildo: that's a good question18:16
tellesnobregadolphm: ok, i will look for some bug to solve, i have no experience with openstack, so im looking for some basic stuff to get to know the code better18:16
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dolphmraildo: install_venv.py does already hide the hard work via oslo18:18
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tellesnobregadolphm: do you know of any bugs that are simple for a beginner in openstack?18:20
dolphmtellesnobrega: on keystone specifically? a few projects use the "low-hanging-fruit" tag, but we've only got one of those in keystone right now (and it's in progress)18:21
dolphmtellesnobrega: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit18:21
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tellesnobregadolphm: i can work on nova and cinder too, these three are the main components that i will work more deeply later18:23
tellesnobregadolphm: so, any bug on these components is fine18:23
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dolphmtellesnobrega: you can search for that tag on other projects as well -- i'm looking through keystone bugs for anything appropriate18:24
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tellesnobregadolphm: thanks in advance18:24
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dolphmtellesnobrega: bug 1220913 is way up on my wishlist18:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1220913 in keystone "bp split-identity left unfinished" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122091318:27
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dolphmtellesnobrega: it's a large amount of work, but anything in support of fixing it would be appreciated18:27
dolphmtellesnobrega: i'll add a comment to the bug to provide some direction18:28
tellesnobregadolphm: thanks, i didnt really understand the problem18:29
dstanekdolphm: trying to make a user using a OS-KSADM:password, but running into XML issues with the namespace not being defined18:29
raildodolphm: From what I saw, when installing the keystone, it installs the "pip" and then install "virtualenv", so I did not have the error defined in that bug. Does the user was with an older version?18:29
dstanekdolphm: would you expect this to work? http://paste.openstack.org/show/47613/18:29
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stevemardolphm: did you just win PTL by default?18:32
dolphmstevemar: i believe so18:33
dolphm"win"18:33
stevemardolphm: or as Homer says: "The two sweetest words in the English language: de-fault!  De-fault!  De-fault!"18:34
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dolphmraildo: how did you install keystone, though?18:34
dolphmdstanek: looking18:34
dolphmdstanek: yes, but OS-KSADM:password isn't treated as the actual password, correct?18:35
dolphmdstanek: unless the path is wrong? i can't remember if it should be something like /v2.0/OS-KSADM/users18:35
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dolphmstevemar: lol i sadly do not remember that episode *googling*18:36
raildodolphm: i'm following this tutorial: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/setup.html#setting-up-a-keystone-development-environment18:36
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dstanekdolphm: that was my original path, but i got a 40418:37
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dstanekdolphm: i think the issue is the XML serialization on check the top level dictionary key, in this case user, to add to the namespaces18:37
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dstanekdolphm: s/on check/only checks/18:38
dolphmdstanek: that's probably accurate. xml serialization was written and tested against just the core API -- not any extensions18:38
dolphmdstanek: the tests specifically for xml serialization are in test_content_types18:39
dstanekdolphm: yes, that's where i'm trying to add a new test for the OS-KSADM password - i couldn't find any existing tests for it18:40
dolphmdstanek: i'm not aware of any18:40
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dstanekwas trying to model the test after http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/2.0/content/POST_addUser_v2.0_users_.html18:40
dolphmtellesnobrega: added a comment to bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/122091318:41
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1220913 in keystone "bp split-identity left unfinished" [Wishlist,Triaged]18:41
dolphmtellesnobrega: the proxy methods would be the easiest portion to tackle18:41
dstanekdolphm: i will just fix the XML serialization then to make it work18:41
dolphmdstanek: ++18:42
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markwashttx: I fail at wiki search apparently. . how do I cut RC1?18:43
dsantos_hi... I was trying to connect the keystone database using sqlite but I received an error: "Unable to open database "keystone.db": file is encrypted or is not a database"18:43
dolphmdsantos_: using 'sqlite' or 'sqlite3'?18:44
dsantos_also I cannot run the command "keystone-manage db_sync <version>" when I have some data18:44
dolphmdsantos_: (it's a sqlite3 db, and that sounds like the error you'd get from using the older client)18:44
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dsantos_dolphm: let me try sqlite318:44
morganfainbergdolphm, gratz on 6 more months as PTL :)18:45
dolphmmorganfainberg: you're welcome!18:45
dolphmdsantos_: i assume you're getting a backtrace from db_sync? if so, can you paste that? http://paste.openstack.org/18:45
morganfainbergdolphm, :)18:45
tellesnobregadolphm: thanks, i will start with the proxy and work my way into the code from that, thank you very much18:45
dolphmtellesnobrega: anytime, let me know if you need a hand18:46
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tellesnobregadolphm: i will18:47
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morganfainbergtellesnobrega, nice! that's a good project to get familiar with a lot of keystone.18:48
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roaettellesnobrega: glad you got help. hope to see some commits soon18:49
dsantos_dolphm: I'm trying to fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1158083. So I'm trying to reproduce that, but when I run the command db_sync I doesn't work18:49
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1158083 in keystone "DB migration 15 fails with data in the user_tenant_membership table" [High,In progress]18:49
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dsantos_the olny error that I received was "CRITICAL keystone [-] (OperationalError) database is locked None None"18:50
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tellesnobregaroaet: thanks, i will do my best to fix it as soon as possible18:50
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dsantos_dolphm: this is my first contributing to openstack and I don't have too much knowledge18:51
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dolphmdsantos_: no worries; try running the same command with --debug ? that's not an error i've seen, i don't think18:55
dolphmdsantos_: does your user have permissions to access keystone.db?18:55
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dsantos_dolphm: my user is the owner of the file18:56
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dsantos_dolphm: I pasted my log running on debug mode here http://paste.openstack.org/show/47616/19:02
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morganfainbergdsantos_, i am wondering if this is an issue of sqlite ended up somehow locking the db and sqlite3 can't act on it19:03
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dolphmdsantos_: oh wow, that did a lot of work before failing..19:03
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morganfainbergdolphm, thats normal. that happens everytime with migrate it's laoding all the migrate files.19:04
cburgessmorganfainberg: ping19:04
dsantos_morganfainberg: I'm not running sqlite anymore... I just ran the script sample_data.sh19:04
morganfainbergif you migrate to the same version, it does the same thing then tells you it's all good.19:04
morganfainbergcburgess, pong19:04
morganfainbergdsantos_, ah. let me try that.19:04
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cburgessmorganfainberg: That cinder review, looks like their a problem with the mox environment for the netapp tests. Digging into it now.19:05
morganfainbergcburgess, aren't you supposed ot be on a retreat or something? :P19:06
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cburgessmorganfainberg: I am sitting by the salt water pool under linea.19:06
cburgessmorganfainberg: and its not work work, its upstream work so it only 1/2 counts as work. :P19:06
morganfainbergcburgess, and you're writing code?19:06
morganfainbergcburgess, well if you're not actually going to vacation today, maybe i should :P19:07
cburgessmorganfainberg: Request Denied19:07
morganfainbergcburgess, anyway, let me know if you need help with anything.19:07
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cburgessmorganfainberg: Hey enjoy coding, when its not under the gun for work it can be fun.19:07
cburgessmorganfainberg: I think we are good. You might check in with rmk to see if he needs any help today.19:08
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dsantos_morganfainberg, dolphm: when I try "db_sync <same-version>" it doesn't show any error, but if I try any other version, I receive the same error that I pasted here19:08
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morganfainbergdsantos_, is a keystone process running?19:09
lifelessekarlso: pong19:09
dsantos_morganfainberg: yeah19:09
morganfainbergdsantos_, there is the issue. sqllite doesn't really do multi-process well.  i'm sure keystone's process is locking the db19:09
morganfainbergif you stop keystone, the sync might/should work19:09
dolphms/well/at all/19:09
morganfainbergdsantos_, what dolphm said.19:10
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dolphmthere's not really a reason to *not* shut the process down either, since any given codebase only supports one sql schema19:10
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dsantos_morganfainberg, dolphm, I shut down the keystone process and tried again, but it still doesn't work19:13
dolphmdsantos_: i don't think an open sqlite3 session would affect it, but do you have one open?19:14
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morganfainbergdolphm, that error (according to quick searches) tends to mean there is an open connection locking it.19:15
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morganfainbergbut i am far from a sqlite expert19:15
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dsantos_dolphm: I don't think so... am I doing right? Does it work to run db_sync after I have some data or I should do it just before?19:16
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morganfainbergdsantos_, you should be able to db_sync after data is present.19:18
morganfainbergdsantos_, now, in some cases you likely will lose data downgrading19:19
dsantos_morganfainberg: that's what I was thinking... I was trying to do this to reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/115808319:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1158083 in keystone "DB migration 15 fails with data in the user_tenant_membership table" [High,In progress]19:19
morganfainbergdsantos_, let me see if i can setup a sane test environment for that (e.g. devstack with a keystone sqlite backend)19:20
morganfainbergi'm trying to duplicate your problem and i can't get the DB lock to occur19:20
dsantos_morganfainberg: hum... I'm running just the keystone project with virtualenv19:21
morganfainbergdsantos_, ah even better idea ;)19:21
dolphmmorganfainberg: i'm trying to repro as well19:21
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dolphmmorganfainberg: i managed to repro19:22
dolphmmorganfainberg: start keystone, run db_sync forward, run sample_data, run db_sync 119:23
dolphmmorganfainberg: i'm in a state now where i can successfully migrate forward every time, but db_sync 1 fails with that error consistently19:23
morganfainbergdolphm, interesting.19:24
dsantos_dolphm: that's exactly what I did19:24
dolphmmorganfainberg: i can't downgrade at all19:24
dolphmmorganfainberg: db_sync 33 fails19:24
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morganfainbergthat isn't good.19:25
morganfainbergis column removal not safe in sqlite?19:25
morganfainbergi thought that was one of the things that was19:25
morganfainberg"ok" that is.19:25
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dsantos_morganfainberg, dolphm: I tried run the command as root and the error changed to "attempt to write a readonly database"19:29
dsantos_morganfainberg, dolphm: than I tried a "chmod 666 keystone.db" and after ran the command again but I didn't work19:30
dolphmdsantos_: i imagine it's just locked for writing?19:30
dsantos_*but it didn't work19:30
dsantos_dolphm: it's not locked for writing anymore19:30
dolphmmorganfainberg: this fails- db_sync -> start keystone -> sample data -> stop keystone -> db_sync 3319:32
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dolphmmorganfainberg: maybe an issue with 34 -> 33 downgrade19:33
morganfainbergdolphm, thats what i am thinking19:33
dsantos_morganfainberg, dolphm: I got the same error to any other version... is the code calling the downgrade for each version from the current to the one that I want?19:35
dolphmmorganfainberg: going ot test the same against mysql19:35
dolphmdsantos_: yes, so it's running 34 -> 33 first, and for me at least, failing there19:36
dolphmdsantos_: so it's doesn't matter if you specify 1, 10, or 33, it'll do 34 -> 33 trying to get there19:36
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dsantos_dolphm: ok... that makes sense for me19:36
morganfainbergdolphm, mysql seems fine with it.19:39
morganfainbergfrom what i can tell.19:39
morganfainbergdolphm, but mysql fails to downgrade to 25 from 26 as well.19:40
dolphmmorganfainberg: i didn't ahve that problem with sample data19:41
dolphmmorganfainberg: mine actually failed on 10 -> 9 lol19:42
dolphmmorganfainberg: http://pasteraw.com/pylog18hc90317hgh5mhrolsn46m00819:42
jswarrenbnemec, if you're not busy fighting neutron or any other component, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46553 seems to have settled down a bit in case you're up for another look.  I seem to have a talent for finding problems to work on that are not straightforward to explain and whose solutions are not easy to justify concisely.  Just lucky, I guess.19:42
bnemecjswarren: Yeah, I've been meaning to get back to that.19:42
jswarren..in case you missed my accidental msg on -infra.19:43
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morganfainbergdolphm, i think the migrations are … flaky.19:43
morganfainbergdolphm :(19:43
bnemecNow that we're having to use an immutable object and call a translate function on it anyway, I'm wondering if the Message class should just work differently.19:44
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bnemecProbably need to talk to mrodden about it too since he wrote all of this in the first place.19:44
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morganfainbergdolphm, trying this one more time.19:46
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mroddenbnemec, jswarren: i know it will take some re-implementation in Nova19:46
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mroddentheoretically there isn't anything stopping it from just wrapping a unicode (which it does if you extend unicode) and just making sure that inner unicode string represents the best state at the time19:48
mroddenthats how it works more or less today19:48
morganfainbergdolphm, with a clean devstack data, migrates worked from 34 -> 33 -> 1 and back to 3419:48
morganfainbergdolphm, (mysql)19:48
dsantos_dolphm, morganfainberg: the error that you received now is not the one that I got19:48
mroddenthe inner unicode is immutable19:48
morganfainbergdolphm, now i'm looking at doing this with sqlite.19:48
mroddenbut we can keep updating it when we get new information (__mod__ or __add__ or locale is set)19:49
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bnemecmrodden: Yeah, a lot of the purpose of Message in the first place was to be a drop-in replacement for str and unicode, which it isn't anymore.19:49
dolphmi don't think the error with sqlite is worth fixing for RC1, unless it's reproducible against another db19:49
bnemecSince you have to call translate_to every time you want the localized message.19:49
mroddenyeah i dont like that TBH19:49
bnemecBasically now you could do class Message(unicode): pass.19:50
mroddenwish there was a watcher that when the objects attributes changed it just updated the inner unicode19:50
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bnemecThen when you need the translation, check if it's a Message or an actual unicode and do the logic there.19:50
mroddenwell we still need some object to drag along the original string fed to _()19:50
mroddenand the __mod__ parameters19:50
dolphmanyone developing on a mac upgrade to xcode 5 yet?19:50
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mroddenthe translate_to thing stinks as a way of updating19:51
bnemecRight, but you would have lazy_gettext just return the string passed to it, then your late translation logic would know that if it's a Message the string inside is the untranslated version.19:51
mroddenthe object should manage itself19:51
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bnemecAlthough I guess that's a problem because you need a way to call the real _() then.19:51
mroddenyes19:52
mrodden_() is just a marker for metaprogramming19:52
morganfainbergdolphm, o/19:52
mroddeni.e. gettext scanning for messages19:52
morganfainbergdolphm, been on xcode 5 since early betas19:52
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dolphmmorganfainberg: so, no problems after updating corresponding CLI tools?19:52
morganfainbergdolphm, not that i've run into.  but lets be fair, i've not been doing much ios / c/c++ development lately19:53
morganfainbergdolphm, you'll likely need to redownload the cli tools though, they seem to need it each upgrade19:53
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* bnemec considers doing stack introspection to determine whether Message is being accessed by logging. ;-)19:54
bnemecmrodden: ^19:54
bnemecBecause really the logging code's lack of support for unicode is the problem here.19:54
morganfainbergdolphm, you interested in a specific toolchain?  I can check to see if it has issues.19:55
mroddenbnemec: i actually did that to work around the translation domain conflict issue19:55
mroddenlol19:55
dolphmmorganfainberg: i believe python-dev, and a few of the libs openstack uses (lxml?) depend on xcode's CLI tools... that's all i'm wondering about19:55
mroddenit worked surprisingly well19:55
morganfainbergdolphm, hmmm.  i haven't run into issues, but i have only been working (as of late) in VMs.19:55
morganfainbergsince the upgrade.19:56
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morganfainbergdolphm, so, i don't know if there would be issues there.19:56
mroddenbnemec: can we use a logging adapter or handler to deal with it before it hits the logging code?19:56
dolphmmorganfainberg: probably not; i use VM's too, but not exclusively19:56
bnemecmrodden: No idea, I have almost no understanding of how logging works.19:57
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bnemecI would definitely be in favor of that though.19:57
bnemecHonestly, a unicode filter before the logger would be good anyway, since the logging module is going to blow up on _any_ unicode characters that it can't handle.19:58
bnemecThat's not specific to Messages.19:58
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dsantos_dolphm, morganfainberg: I'll remove my name from the bug that I was trying to fix, since I could not reproduce and I'll try to find another one20:00
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dsantos_dolphm, morganfainberg: thanks for your help20:01
dsantos_dolphm, morganfainberg: I'm pretty new contributing to OpenStack and I hope I can help20:02
dolphmdsantos_: thanks for contributing :)20:02
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morganfainbergdsantos_, i'm sure you can.  I think you just stumbled into another odd bug.  Thanks for contributing!20:02
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bnemecmrodden: http://docs.python.org/2/library/logging.html#logging.setLoggerClass sounds vaguely promising.20:05
bnemecIt mentions custom logger behavior.20:05
mroddenwe have custom loggers in log.py already20:06
mroddenso i dont think thats an issue20:06
mroddeni think ContextAdapter20:06
mroddenis the name20:06
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morganfainbergdolphm, found the bug in the 34 -> 3320:07
mroddenalthough the adapter just wraps another logger which we could override for separation of duties20:08
dolphmmorganfainberg: really?20:08
morganfainbergyep20:08
dolphmmorganfainberg: details!20:08
bnemecmrodden: Yeah, something to catch this unicode error and handle it in some sane way would be awesome.20:08
jgriffithrussellb: ping20:08
jgriffithrussellb: WRT https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/122633720:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1226337 in tempest "tempest.scenario.test_volume_boot_pattern.TestVolumeBootPattern flake failure" [High,Triaged]20:09
morganfainbergdolphm, i removed the list() around the selects on a comment since it looked superfluous, the list is needed to force the select to finish. getting a paste.20:09
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mroddenbnemec: makes sense to me...20:09
jgriffithrussellb: The only hunch I have right now is that we're just flat out hitting a timing/delay problem20:09
morganfainberghttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/3596801/sqlalchemy-database-table-is-locked20:09
morganfainbergis what it looks like20:09
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jgriffithrussellb: Only thing I'm considering is upping the num_iscsi_scan_tries from 3 to 520:10
dolphmmorganfainberg: oooh20:10
morganfainbergchecking20:10
morganfainbergnope20:10
morganfainbergred herring :(20:10
morganfainbergdamn.20:10
jgriffithrussellb: it's stupid, but it's at least a way to eliminate20:10
jgriffithrussellb: thoughts when you get a chance20:10
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dolphmmorganfainberg: the downgrade DOES follow that pattern!20:11
dolphmmorganfainberg: change `for user in user_list:` to `for user in list(user_list):` no?20:11
morganfainbergdolphm, it does.20:11
morganfainbergdolphm, but i'm seeing the same error20:12
dolphmmorganfainberg: oh20:12
dolphmon 34->33 still?20:12
morganfainbergyep.20:12
morganfainbergtrying it again clean20:12
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dolphmmorganfainberg: actually upgrade is identical, so it *should* have the same problem, whatever it is20:13
morganfainbergdolphm, except with no data the select is a no-op20:13
morganfainbergdolphm, unless we populate data first.20:13
dolphmmorganfainberg: true20:13
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morganfainbergdolphm, haha, my test environment was wrong.  the list() was the trick20:34
morganfainbergdolphm, putting a fix up on review now.20:34
dolphmmorganfainberg: yay!20:34
morganfainbergi also noticed another bug.  not sure if it warrants a fix20:35
morganfainbergi'm not using the session for executing the updates20:35
morganfainbergi'm directly using the migrate_engine20:35
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morganfainbergit should have no _real_ impact in this migrate.20:36
dolphmmorganfainberg: so, if it failed, it couldn't roll back?20:36
morganfainbergdolphm, i think there is an inherant session being used to allow for rollbacks20:37
morganfainbergbut i create a useless extra session it looks like20:37
dolphmmorganfainberg: i *think* that too, but i've never verified lol20:37
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morganfainbergdolphm, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48746/20:40
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radixanyone know if/how ceilometer does metric aggregation across multiple instances? trying to understand better how it's supposed to integrate with heat's autoscaling.20:43
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rcritI just just another couple of acks on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43139/ , any volunteers?20:58
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devoidhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/47630/ - python-quantumclient has poorly formed exceptions when getting 500 response from quantum-server21:29
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devoidproposition: I should be able do quickly delete a quantum network21:33
devoida —force option would be nice21:33
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devoidhow do I delete ports on a subnet if they're owned by network:floatingip or network:router_gateway?21:42
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devoid...?21:45
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bnemec_devoid: That could be nice.  Maybe open a blueprint for Neutron.21:56
bnemec_The port question sounds like something for #openstack.21:56
bnemec_jswarren: I left a comment on the Message review.  I'm not coming up with a better alternative and this might not be too painful, but I would like to see an example of the changes that will be needed in the other projects.21:57
bnemec_mrodden: FYI^21:57
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mroddenbnemec_: yeah i think jswarren was offline for our logger discussion22:03
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bnemec_mrodden: Yeah, I couldn't get that to work using setLoggerClass.22:04
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bnemec_I didn't have time to dig into it more.22:05
devoid#bnemec_22:05
devoidbut nobody answer's my questions there...22:05
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mroddendevoid: its IRC, it takes awhile for people to respond22:06
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mroddendevoid: you could try the mailing list or launchpad questions/answers22:06
mroddenas well22:06
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jswarrenbnemec_ sorry, I had browser problems, so I did not see the discussion and I just got back from dinner (didn't change nick).  For what it's worth, I did test this in glance and the symptoms I was seeing went away.  Probably not the best test, since community glance hasn't wired this stuff in yet...  Just thought I'd mention it.23:06
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bhuvanany neutron dev around to help on neutron unit test related issue https://answers.launchpad.net/neutron/+question/236494?23:17
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morganfainbergdolphm, another policy recheck.23:29
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morganfainbergs/recheck/reverify23:29
dolphmmorganfainberg: o/23:29
dolphmugh23:29
morganfainbergyeah.23:29
morganfainbergand the oauth patch is coming up on gate failure as well.23:30
dolphmmorganfainberg: was about to say that23:31
morganfainbergdolphm, i'm trying to babysit these through, but it's going nowhere atm =/23:32
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dolphmmorganfainberg: appreciated! i'm trying to do the same, but the cycle is SOOO slow23:32
morganfainbergdolphm, exactly.23:32
dolphmmorganfainberg: 9 hours 37 minutes start to fail23:34
morganfainbergdolphm, while i appreciate what the new recheck (saved place) logic is meant to do, i think it's making the gate hard to work with atm.23:34
morganfainbergand very much slowing down the queue.23:35
morganfainbergdolphm, but i guess it wouldn't be an issue if there weren't the flaky failures.23:35
dolphmmorganfainberg: is there an external way to monitor the overall failure rate?23:35
morganfainberglogstash.  let me dig up the info23:36
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morganfainbergdolphm, http://logstash.openstack.org/ but you need to pass some kind of search logic in.23:37
morganfainbergdolphm, also http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-September/015733.html23:38
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