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| navneet_ | hi | 09:47 |
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| navneet_ | hey r u winston-d | 09:48 |
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| xchu | navneet_, no | 09:49 |
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| navneet_ | oh ok sorry | 09:49 |
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| BobBallAway | ekarlso: Ask away - but I'm in meetings all day today, so may not be able to respond quickly :) | 12:20 |
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| samuelqueiroz | Hi, I'm working on a blueprint related to domain quotas. I want to create a test for the domain driver that ensures that quotas are freed in the db when an instance is deleted. Is there any similar test for the project driver? | 12:35 |
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| ekarlso | BobBallAway: got a clue on bringing openvswitch to xenserver core ? Getting some problems after building it using rpmbuildpackage ... specfile -D 'kversion <xenserver kernel version' due to "kabi" dependencies | 12:36 |
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| s2r2 | hi there. has anyone recently used devstack with tls-proxy? my otherwise working setup is totally fubared when I enable_service tls_proxy… confusing. | 13:05 |
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| Birk | How can I enable keystone v3 on devstack? | 13:29 |
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| proffalken | hey all, does anyone have a good guide to understanding conductor? http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-config/content/ch_conductor.html seems pretty sparse on detail... :) | 14:26 |
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| BobBallAway | Afraid not ekarlso - does xenserver-core provide one, or is this trying to compile using Nicira's instructions? | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | can the neuton dhcp and L2 agents run on the same host now? i thought there were some issues with that back in grizzly / early havana? | 14:41 |
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| proffalken | specifically, I'm after finding out what the message format looks like when it is returned to the compute host from conductor | 14:48 |
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| ttx | markmc: around ? got questions about your filter-branch notes | 15:15 |
| markmc | ttx, sure | 15:15 |
| ttx | markmc: the first filter-branch leaves a lot of merge commits in history, is that to be expected ? | 15:15 |
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| markmc | ttx, yeah, there's not much value to the merge commits when you delete most of the commits | 15:16 |
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| markmc | ttx, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a rebase further down that eliminated all merge commits | 15:16 |
| ttx | ok | 15:16 |
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| markmc | ttx, we have a linear history, really - merge commits are only useful to describe which parent commit the author prepared the patch with | 15:17 |
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| ttx | markmc: is the second filter-branch supposed to truncate history ? Leaves the same number of log entries in my case | 15:17 |
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| markmc | ttx, the --parent-filter one ? | 15:17 |
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| ttx | markmc: yes | 15:17 |
| ttx | I see that in your case it resulted in 10 shorter | 15:18 |
| markmc | ttx, ah, you need to find the first commit which adds interesting content | 15:18 |
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| markmc | ttx, many of the early commits will be empty | 15:18 |
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| markmc | ttx, and use that commit ID in the command | 15:18 |
| ttx | markmc: hmm, ok | 15:18 |
| markmc | ttx, the command deletes the parent from that commit | 15:18 |
| markmc | ttx, basically removes all of those empty commits | 15:18 |
| ttx | markmc: when I ran it it kept all of those commits (same number of log entries before and after command) | 15:19 |
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| ttx | (although I gave him a relevant SHA) | 15:19 |
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| mriedem | mordred: dripton: ping | 15:20 |
| dripton | mriedem: pong | 15:20 |
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| markmc | ttx, for each commit, it runs 'test $GIT_COMMIT = $ID && echo "" || cat' and the result is used as the commit's parent | 15:20 |
| mriedem | dripton: hey, trying to figure out if db2 CI and this patch are a chicken and egg, i.e. does the patch need to be merged before db2 CI for migrate could even work? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55572/ | 15:20 |
| markmc | ttx, i.e. if it's the first interesting commit, you want it to have no parent, otherwise just use the original parent | 15:21 |
| mriedem | dripton: or would that patch be rechecked until db2 CI is reporting in on it? | 15:21 |
| ttx | markmc: right, but the end result should be a truncated history, right ? | 15:21 |
| markmc | ttx, the commits before $ID should disappear from history, basically | 15:22 |
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| markmc | ttx, hmm, assuming the history up to that point is linear | 15:22 |
| ttx | markmc: ok, that's what I'm not seeing. | 15:22 |
| markmc | ttx, look at it using 'git log --graph' maybe | 15:22 |
| markmc | ttx, push the repo somewhere and I can look | 15:22 |
| ttx | markmc: will investigate, thx | 15:22 |
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| ttx | markmc: if I don't manage to fix it I'll push it somewhere. | 15:23 |
| markmc | ttx, cool | 15:23 |
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| dripton | mriedem: I'd like to see some kind of DB2 CI system up before that patch gets in. If the CI system needs a newer version of migrate with DB2 support then I guess it could run a local branch of migrate with your patch? | 15:23 |
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| mriedem | dripton: i'm just not sure how that would work...the gerrit jenkins trigger comes off the master branch and whatever migrate patch set is triggering it | 15:25 |
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| mriedem | dripton: what i was thinking was getting the db2 patch to the point of triggering our db2 CI, then rechecking on it until the db2 CI could report success on that patch | 15:25 |
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| mriedem | and for other patches in the meantime, we could do something hacky like checking if the db2 dialect is in the soure tree and if not, it's a no-op | 15:26 |
| dripton | mriedem: that sounds reasonable. As long as we have a good faith effort to get the DB2 CI working I don't think there will be a lot of protests. | 15:26 |
| mordred | ++ | 15:27 |
| * mordred lurking and watching | 15:27 | |
| mriedem | yeah, i'm mainly thinking out loud | 15:27 |
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| ttx | markmc: right, the history around that first commit wanabee is a bit convoluted. | 15:34 |
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| markmc | ttx, try rebasing the whole lot | 15:38 |
| markmc | ttx, it'll make the history linear, kill all merge commits | 15:38 |
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| ttx | markmc: on it, fails with conflicts I need to solve first | 15:39 |
| markmc | ttx, oh, wow | 15:39 |
| markmc | ttx, that sounds like it's rebasing in the wrong order | 15:40 |
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| markmc | ttx, i.e. our merge commits don't contain any conflict resolutions | 15:40 |
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| markmc | ttx, the conflicts are in rootwrap code? | 15:40 |
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| ttx | markmc: no: Applying: make the skeleton project a template | 15:40 |
| markmc | ttx, well, the first step should have deleted any content from that | 15:41 |
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| ttx | markmc: heh, yes. Except that history is so twisted it doesn't really play ball. Will upload the result of the first filter somewhere so that you can have a look | 15:42 |
| markmc | ttx, cool | 15:42 |
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| ttx | markmc: pushed to https://github.com/ttx/oslo.rootwrap -- that's after the tree-filter | 15:48 |
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| ttx | Now ideally we'd cut the parent from d233c303c41b9d37664d6ea87e5f10ab129e0536 | 15:49 |
| bpokorny | alaski: Do you know if there's any work in progress on this bug that's not recorded in the bug report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1161661 | 15:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161661 in nova "Rescheduling loses reasons" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:50 |
| bpokorny | I saw this blueprint, which looks like it may be related, so wondered if this is part of the long-term fix for the bug: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/remove-cast-to-schedule-run-instance | 15:51 |
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| alaski | bpokorny: yes, that bp is part of the fix. With that in place we should be able to log errors as instance action failures and expose them through the api | 15:52 |
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| alaski | there's no other in progress work that I'm aware of | 15:52 |
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| markmc | ttx, ok, 'git rebase 6ba878ec07698ec1b978e04c7f75acaededd480c' helps | 15:54 |
| markmc | ttx, that's the last merge commit by Jason | 15:54 |
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| ttx | markmc: ah, nice. | 15:55 |
| bpokorny | alaski: In the bug report, there was some talk of a more immediate fix than using a blueprint. But it sounds like the immediate fix would also be complex (from what I read in the discussion in the bug on the immediate fix). Am I understanding that correctly? | 15:55 |
| markmc | ttx, cool, --parent-filter works as expected after that | 15:55 |
| markmc | ttx, down to 28 commits | 15:56 |
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| bpokorny | alaski: I'm mainly wondering if it would make sense for me to continue looking into a more immediate fix, or if you're thinking is that any immediate fix is going to be just as complex as the change for implementation of the blueprint. | 15:57 |
| ttx | markmc: 28? I'm still at 44 :) | 15:57 |
| ttx | ah. 28 now | 15:58 |
| ttx | markmc: ok, I should be able to handle it from there | 15:59 |
| ttx | markmc: thx! | 15:59 |
| markmc | ttx, cool, np | 15:59 |
| alaski | bpokorny: I don't think it's worth looking for a fix at this point. I have a patch up that stops the code in question from being used at all. Retry failures will go through the conductor so that's where it should be logged, but there's nothing there to fix yet. | 15:59 |
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| bpokorny | alaski: That makese sense to me. I now see that most of the reviews for the blueprint have already merged as well. Are there plans to backport the changes for the blueprint to havana? | 16:02 |
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| alaski | bpokorny: there aren't. The changes are mostly about making future work easier, not bug fixes. So it wouldn't be worth the risk to backport IMO | 16:04 |
| samuelqueiroz | Hi, I'm working on a blueprint related to domain quotas. I want to create a test for the domain driver that ensures that quotas are freed in the db when an instance is deleted. Is there any similar test for the project driver? | 16:04 |
| bpokorny | Thanks, alaski. That makes sense to me. | 16:05 |
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| alaski | bpokorny: np | 16:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | hi, i'm doing some research on openstack and i would like to know if openstack implements any green it | 17:07 |
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| terrylhowe | green as in like sustainability? | 17:11 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: I saw you fixed the bug. thanks! Is the installer updated as soon as a commit is done and tested? | 17:20 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: yes | 17:21 |
| mgagne | alexpilotti: thanks! I'll test now | 17:21 |
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| alexpilotti | mgagne: cool, let me know, thee a lot of additional improvements | 17:22 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: FYI, I'll work on multi-nic support this week. it is a requirement for our product. | 17:22 |
| alexpilotti | mgagne: there's a pull request on multi-nic, you did it? | 17:23 |
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| mgagne | alexpilotti: my coworker did it but it isn't ideal. there is a lot of duplicated code. | 17:23 |
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| tellesnobrega | terrylhowe: for example, eucaliptus has an option where you can use green instantiation, so it hibernates machines that are not in use, and only start them again, when all in use machines cant afford more vms | 17:38 |
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| terrylhowe | tellesnobrega: There is the Heat project which does autoscaling | 17:50 |
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| tellesnobrega | terrylhowe: ok, i've read something about it, is this pretty much it? | 17:51 |
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| terrylhowe | that's all that comes to mind, but I don't know all things OpenStack | 17:56 |
| ekarlso | any neutron folks here ? : p | 17:57 |
| kashyap | ekarlso, Just ask your question, folks will respond. | 17:58 |
| kashyap | (s/will/might) | 17:58 |
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| ekarlso | does a neutron port have multiple subnet assignment aka multiple diff ips ? | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | mornin. | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, ah thanks! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57008 | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i was wondering about that. | 18:40 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: me too! | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ok so ... testing on deprecated proxy (identity -> assignment) methods. I'm thinking in this case we just do some argspec introspection since they are all flat proxy methods | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54844 | 18:41 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: can you configure deprecations to fail and check for the failure? | 18:41 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: http://docs.python.org/2/library/warnings.html | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, not yet. that is a fix that needs to be proposed to the @deprecated decorator | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | because we don't want all deprecated to fail, just specific ones. | 18:42 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, mostly i'm concerned that if someone changes assignment_api, the identity_api methods would also be changed. | 18:43 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: how about mock for calling whatever method is called to report deprecated? | 18:43 |
| tellesnobrega | terrylhowe: thanks | 18:43 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: how would the introspection work? what would it check for? | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i am planning on working with dkranz to capture the deprecation warnings like infra is going to capture exceptions, so we can control them. | 18:44 |
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| isd | Can someone tell me (or point me to some docs) what the module keystone.common.dependency is actually for? I'm reading through the code trying to figure something else out, but I don't really have a high-level sense of what it's even supposed to do. | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'd use inspect and verify the argspec on the assignment_api is the same as identity_api for the assignment proxy methods | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, it's to provide the references to the managers. e.g. assignment_api, identity_api, etc in a controlled way so we don't need to instantiate a new manager for each and every use case. | 18:45 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I thought this was about deprecation? | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, this is about the deprecated methods themselves. | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we already moved everything to assignment internally, but we don't want to rip the rug out from under people who are developing their own plugins/drivers | 18:46 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: just because the method is there doesn't mean it winds up calling the right function... | 18:46 |
| bknudson | this is something that's not going to get used internally, so I think more testing is warranted. | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, so do we duplicate the tests? | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, this is why i'm asking :) | 18:46 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: hopefully don't need to duplicate, but put them in a base class. | 18:47 |
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| bknudson | or just call the one test function from the other test function. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, hm, just add a deprecated "section" to a given test? | 18:47 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I'd be good with that. | 18:48 |
| isd | morganfainberg: thanks, that helps. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, sure. i'll look at that. if we were proxying everything still it would be super easy to just swap assignment_api and identity_api from the test class. but that isn't the case at this point | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | isd, keep in mind the dependancy isn't processed (i.e. requires) until __init__ is called on the class for instantiation | 18:49 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: for these tests you want to have 1 test that calls through ass_api and another calls through id_api. | 18:49 |
| bknudson | so pass in the api to call through | 18:49 |
| harlowja | dprince if u get some time let me know and i can like walk u through anvil (if u want) | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, that is kind of where i'm going. duplicate the test and call it "<name>_deprecated" or "<name>_identity_proxy" | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i just don't see a good approach short of just saying "oh hay we know it's right and just want to check argspec" which... while easier is substandard testing | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, ok. i'll duplicate the appropriate tests for proxy, nice fat "clean this up once master is open for J" comment | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'll make it a dependant patch on the current patchset so the test can be see separately | 18:52 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: shouldn't need to duplicate, have a common test fn and call it from both. | 18:52 |
| bknudson | or have the normal test fn have an optional parameter for the api that the deprecated on passes in identity_api | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, hm. | 18:53 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: I haven't seen the code so you probably have a better idea of what changes are required. | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, basically it's just making sure get_domain (get_project, etC) all work from both identity_api and assignment_api | 18:54 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: we already know that it works from assignment_api ... so just to call it using identity_api | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | right. | 18:55 |
| bknudson | so duplicating tests probably isn't necessary | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | ah, just a simplified test set... | 18:55 |
| bknudson | I'm guess we don't have specific tests for get_domain | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | since we just need to verify the call goes to the right place | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | this case is more unique than other deprecation ones i think | 18:56 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: right, that argues for simple tests. | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | we don't need full coverage test via both identity_api and assignment_api | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | just a basic. "this goes to the right place" setup | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | sure. i can buy that | 18:57 |
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| morganfainberg | i'll go with that approach and only add a separate test if there is a lot of work to be done to get a basic test case in place. | 18:57 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: I hope it's not a lot of work to add some simple tests... but I've been wrong about that. | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think a couple might need separate tests, but most wont. | 18:58 |
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| bknudson | you'll probably wind up need a new keystoneclient test... | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, unliukely, since routers doesn't send anything through identity_api anymore | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | that is in assignment (internally that is) | 18:59 |
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| bknudson | we need to split up test_backend to test_id_backend, test_ass_backend | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, agreed. | 18:59 |
| bknudson | although ass_backend is redundant | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 19:00 |
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| isd | morganfainberg: *is* there any documentation about what that module does? If not I may try writing a module level docstring at least. It would have saved me some time. | 19:01 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, you mean how @depedency.requires and @dependency.provides works? | 19:01 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, s/provides/provider | 19:02 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, the docstrings in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/dependency.py are a bit limited. | 19:03 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, if you do write some documentation, could you also look at adding the documentation to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/doc/source/developing.rst ? Likely it would be good to have that documented. | 19:04 |
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| isd | morganfainberg: I noticed. I think something along the lines of """This module provides a controlled way to access the managers (egg catalog_api, identity_api...) so that they only need to be instatiated once ...""" - that much, with references to the specific modules, would be very helpful I think. | 19:06 |
| isd | but sure, I'll do that. | 19:06 |
| morganfainberg | isd, i mean if you write more documentation that is ;) | 19:06 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, i suggest if you write the documentation for that decorator, do it as a separate patchset from code changes. | 19:08 |
| morganfainberg | (if you're contributing it that is) | 19:08 |
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| isd | morganfainberg, I'm going to assign myself a bug on launchpad, can I use you as a reviewer? | 19:11 |
| morganfainberg | isd, of course :) | 19:11 |
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| dprince | harlowja: ack. not today... but hopefully soon | 19:12 |
| harlowja | :) | 19:12 |
| harlowja | k | 19:12 |
| harlowja | dprince sounds good | 19:12 |
| stevemar | isd, you can add me as a reviewer too :) | 19:13 |
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| isd | stevemar: sure. | 19:17 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, ./run_tests.sh is the recommended way for oslo-incubator tests, correct? | 19:50 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: I always just use tox | 19:50 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, k, I'll try that. run_tests is giving random results. Excluding test suites completely sometimes and only picking some test methods some times. | 19:51 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, very disturbing | 19:51 |
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| dhellmann | sandywalsh: that's scary | 19:52 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, yep, perhaps run_tests should be removed | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: I'd have to check what jenkins is running | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | if run_tests.sh expects a specific configuration that is met on the gate servers, that may explain odd behavior when running it over and over | 19:53 |
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| sandywalsh | yeah, if jenkins is dependent on run_tests, I'd question the results | 19:53 |
| * dhellmann nods | 19:53 | |
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| isd | morganfainberg: is there anyting about the dependency module which actually cares about manager, or is it just that that's where it sees the most use? | 19:55 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, it is used outside of the manager module(s) as well. but definitely managers get the most use (look at the auth plugins, password notably for another usecase) | 19:56 |
| morganfainberg | isd, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/auth/plugins/password.py#n27 | 19:57 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, how do I get the per-test output like run_tests from tox? | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | sandywalsh: like you want to only run some tests? | 20:02 |
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| sandywalsh | no, just trying to find out what's actually being tested. It's just pass/fail. | 20:02 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, ^ | 20:03 |
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| dhellmann | sandywalsh: I'm not sure :-( maybe lifeless can help, since it's a testr thing? | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | sandywalsh: what do you do with run_tests.sh? pass an arg, or is that the default behavior? | 20:04 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, that's the default ... the pretty colored, per-test output with run times | 20:04 |
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| yjiang5 | sadasu_: hi | 20:05 |
| clarkb | testr --subunit | 20:05 |
| sandywalsh | the tox output is useless | 20:05 |
| clarkb | will output the subunit for each test | 20:05 |
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| clarkb | you can pipe that through a thing to make it prettier if you want. nova does this for colors (why colors I still don't understand :) ) | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: maybe you can make tox.ini run the same command that run_tests.sh does | 20:06 |
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| lifeless | sandywalsh: hi | 20:08 |
| lifeless | sandywalsh: per-test output - testr run --subunit | subunit2pyunit is one way, or there is a filter in some of the source trees. | 20:08 |
| lifeless | sandywalsh: there isn't a verbose chatter mode in testr yet | 20:09 |
| lifeless | sandywalsh: because it was aimed at testing at scale, where test-by-test output makes ~no sense at all | 20:09 |
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| lifeless | and fail | 20:10 |
| bknudson | lifeless: since you're around... I tried to use testresources and it wasn't working as expected... | 20:11 |
| bknudson | it created the resource for every test | 20:11 |
| bknudson | here's the change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56787/4/keystoneclient/tests/client_fixtures.py | 20:11 |
| clarkb | bknudson: I thought we decided that that was the documented behavior for how we were using it | 20:11 |
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| lifeless | bknudson: testresources depends on having a wrapping OptimisingTestSuite around the tests it's optimising | 20:11 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5 | 20:11 |
| clarkb | the tearDown was calling doneWith or whatever that method is called | 20:11 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5: Hello! | 20:12 |
| bknudson | lifeless: is there an examples of how to use OptimisingTestSuite? | 20:12 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: hi. Just want to discuss the alias. | 20:12 |
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| isd | morganfainberg: am I correct in thinking that the dependencies don't get injected until both the provider and the object requring it are created? | 20:12 |
| lifeless | bknudson: yes, yes there are :) | 20:12 |
| sadasu_ | @yjiang5: sure | 20:12 |
| bknudson | that's the part I didn't figure out. | 20:13 |
| bknudson | I'm guessing overriding finishedWith is not the right thing to do. | 20:13 |
| lifeless | nooooo | 20:13 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5: At the start of our meeting, I think baoli started with the proposal that we have 2 lists…whitelist just has a list of PCI devices | 20:13 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: At least in current implementation, alias is more like a 'name' to a pci request, which is defined in nova configuration (possibly we need extend it to be DB based). The pci request is rule defined the pci property that the device should meet, like vendor_id , product_id etc. | 20:13 |
| lifeless | bknudson: you should use FixtureResource | 20:14 |
| lifeless | bknudson: and a load_tests hook that wraps the standard tests in OptimisingTestSuite | 20:14 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5: yes, i am with you so far | 20:14 |
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| sadasu_ | yjiang5: during the summit too, we were trying to figure out how do we specify additional grouping of the devices based on say the provider network they are connected to | 20:15 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: so for the group, I'd more be a flexible solution, that by define the pci request to group the devices. Of course, by give list a group name can be handled that way. Define "group name" as an pci property, and the pci request can specify like "group_name =xxx". | 20:16 |
| yjiang5 | s/by give list/by giving device group name/ | 20:17 |
| bknudson | lifeless: ok, I'll take a look at that. | 20:17 |
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| yjiang5 | sadasu_: what do you mean of "additional grouping"? | 20:18 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: and where can nova get the provider network information? | 20:18 |
| lifeless | bknudson: http://paste.openstack.org/show/53552/ | 20:19 |
| lifeless | clarkb: ^ | 20:19 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5: not just by means of vendor_id and product_id but more parameters like the provider network as mentioned earlier | 20:19 |
| clarkb | lifeless: thanks | 20:19 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5: nova should actually not care about what that grouping criteria is…it should only care about the fact that a bunch of lci devices belong to the group | 20:20 |
| morganfainberg | isd, if you look in service.py | 20:20 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5:pci* | 20:20 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: can a PCI device belongs to multiple group? | 20:21 |
| bknudson | lifeless: sweet, thanks... was wondering how the load_tests thing worked... I was wondering if I did that in keystoneclient/tests/__init__.py or what. | 20:21 |
| lifeless | bknudson: right now you have to do it in all test_foo.py files | 20:21 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang: for non-networking pci devices, the grouping could be based on a diff criteria | 20:21 |
| lifeless | bknudson: and you can't have any tests in __init__.py files | 20:21 |
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| morganfainberg | isd, i need to think of the best way to describe it. it's not clicking in my brain on how to explain it at the moment. | 20:21 |
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| morganfainberg | lifeless, oh nice! nice information thanks! | 20:22 |
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| bknudson | lifeless: all test_foo.py files that need OptimisingTestSuite ? | 20:22 |
| ijw | yjiang5: am I right in thinking that your goruping aliases are basically a mapping of PCI specs to a name and they live on the control node? | 20:22 |
| lifeless | bknudson: yes | 20:22 |
| bknudson | (if the test doesn't use testresources then don't need it) | 20:22 |
| lifeless | bknudson: yes | 20:22 |
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| yjiang5 | ijw: yes. that mapping can be extended to live on database. | 20:23 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: So who will provide the provider network info? neutron or nova? | 20:23 |
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| sadasu_ | yjiang5: I know that during the summit, baoli and yongli decided that it would be provided by the admin | 20:24 |
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| ijw | I wasx having tyhis debate with yunhong (sp?) about 6 months ago, and you dont' need to store anything much about PCI devices in the database, that was the point I was making. You can do it all in memory apart from the changing information about what devices you have available. | 20:25 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: yongli will kicked me tomorrow morning :) So the admin to nova, i.e. nova conf, right? | 20:25 |
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| ijw | Unfortunately I missed the session and so did everyone I was talking to who was involved with it last time apart from possibly Irena (hi Irena, sorry I didn't get to say hello at the summit) | 20:26 |
| irenab | hi | 20:26 |
| yjiang5 | ijw: I just make that more flexible. We don't keep all information in the scheduler database, but just part. | 20:26 |
| ijw | I spoke to Adrian, Bob from the Xen group and Boris, and we all missed it... | 20:26 |
| ijw | But the point I was making is that if you turn the PCI information into a friendly name on the compute nodes, then you can just deal with those friendly names in the scheduler. | 20:27 |
| ijw | (which is a fairly direct parallel with how the provider networking stuff works, aiui) | 20:27 |
| yjiang5 | ijw: yes, I just wanted to be flexible, possibly over flexible :) | 20:28 |
| sadasu_ | ijw: +1 regarding abstracting pci information into friendly name | 20:28 |
| ijw | The counter argument from the last time we were discussing this was that if you're an administrator perhaps you want to know the device assignments. | 20:28 |
| yjiang5 | ijw: not every PCI device based on purely one name. | 20:28 |
| ijw | Why not, though? | 20:29 |
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| isd | morganfainberg: I just pushed the first commit. Meant to make it a draft, but forgot the -D. Added you as a reviewer. | 20:30 |
| yjiang5 | ijw: considering an encryption card and 3 types, 1, 2, 3, from different vendor.. User A have image support only card 1, 2, user B have image support only card 2, 3. | 20:31 |
| isd | I couldn't find stevemar on gerrit... | 20:31 |
| stevemar | isd, link for the patch? | 20:31 |
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| yjiang5 | ijw: how can user know the exact meaning of the card name, and which one should they select/specify? | 20:31 |
| ijw | Yes, that would assume a convention for naming, certainly | 20:32 |
| isd | stevemar: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57039/ | 20:32 |
| yjiang5 | you can assume alias is just a convention for naming, right? | 20:32 |
| stevemar | isd: thank you sir | 20:32 |
| isd | no problem. | 20:32 |
| ijw | But on the other hand if I have two identical network cards connected to two different networks how do I show that, despite the fact that they look identical they're actually different? | 20:33 |
| ijw | If I can group on the compute host (where, presumably, I know which card is which, and am much more likely to be able to know that information than on the control server, especially since I can add more compute hosts later) then I use two different friendly names | 20:33 |
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| yjiang5 | ijw: I'd have a mechanism to give extra information to the card like the network, and that extra information becomes part of the PCI property. | 20:34 |
| ijw | Yup, but there are also two different types of information. There's information like that, that you need to know for scheduling. But there's also information that you don't need to know for scheduling but that the compute host has to use when it starts the VM (like switch port). | 20:34 |
| ijw | You wouldn't choose a particular switch port to use, so it's not scheduling information. But you would pass it to Neutron when you start the VM, so it has to be stored on the compute node and passed on when the VM is started. | 20:35 |
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| yjiang5 | ijw: I think "need to know for scheduling" is mostly depends on user. For example, user A want a Intel NIC connected to network A, B want a Intel NIC conncted to network B, and user C want a Cisco NIC conncted to network B. I don't think the unique name can meet such requirement. | 20:37 |
| sadasu_ | ijw: exactly!! At the summit, during the pci passthrough session, the feedback was that the non-scheduling info has to be negotiated with the respective module…like neutron or cinder (for block pci devices etc) | 20:37 |
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| yjiang5 | sadasu_: When will this negotiation happen? at initialization time or VM creation time? | 20:38 |
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| sadasu_ | yjiang5: at VM creation time | 20:38 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: and not sure if it's better to keep/provide all such information on nova? | 20:38 |
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| sadasu_ | yjiang5: I know that your current design focusses on that..just wanted to bring up the feedback because yourself and ijw weren't at that session | 20:40 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: otherwise, neutron have to keep information like, for device at host A, BDF 0000:01:01, network information is xxxx . | 20:40 |
| ijw | sadasu_: so they expect Neutron to know which device is which and store that in its config file? | 20:40 |
| yjiang5 | sadasu_: yes, thanks. And I'm just considering if current implementation will meet that requirement, or any changes needed in nova side :) | 20:41 |
| ijw | Or are we ok to pass arbitrary extra information to it? | 20:41 |
| sadasu_ | ijw: if not config file, learn it dynamically | 20:42 |
| ijw | ew | 20:42 |
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| yjiang5 | sadasu_: I think we keep the assigned PCI devices in the instance information, will it be ok that Cinder/Neutron check that information and do more work? | 20:42 |
| ijw | I think learning it when you write the config file is plausible (an installation step) but I don't fancy the idea of learning it on every boot very much | 20:42 |
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| ijw | And I don't much fancy the idea of storing some info about the PCI devices in one config file and some in another, that just sounds horrible (though it would work) | 20:43 |
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| sadasu_ | ijw: I agree with both your points… | 20:44 |
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| sadasu_ | lets say we have figured out this whole pci alias way of grouping things... | 20:44 |
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| sadasu_ | then when the VM is being booted up, don't we have to pass the pci device info to neutron | 20:46 |
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| sadasu_ | to actually program features on this virtual port? | 20:46 |
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| yjiang5 | sadasu_: good question. What's your requirement from neutron side? | 20:47 |
| sadasu_ | yjiang5, ijw: have to go to a diff meeting..but lets continue discussion on the thread | 20:49 |
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| yjiang5 | sadasu_: good, go to cafe now. | 20:50 |
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| lifeless | jd__: i | 21:21 |
| lifeless | bah | 21:21 |
| lifeless | jd__: Hi - wondering if we can talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56173/1/devstack-vm-gate.sh | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ping? | 21:23 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: ping | 21:42 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: hello | 21:42 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: i was going to create a BP for Keystone testing, but I found yours :-) | 21:43 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: i'd love to get your take on my Etherpad brainstorm https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-test-restructuring | 21:43 |
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| jamielennox | dstanek: yea, i've had attempts at it in the past but it kept getting blocked - you can feel free to hijack that one | 21:46 |
| jamielennox | i'll have a look at the etherpad now | 21:46 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: thanks. looks like you have passion in this area so i'd love to combine efforts if you are interested | 21:47 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i take it this means you're back from Hong Kong? | 21:48 |
| morganfainberg | how was the rest of the trip? | 21:49 |
| jamielennox | yea, back to work mode | 21:49 |
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| jamielennox | awesome, it's a hell of a place - every sort of area we went to had a different culture and feel | 21:49 |
| jamielennox | glad i got the chance to stay and do it properly | 21:50 |
| morganfainberg | i'm jealous ;) | 21:50 |
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| jamielennox | dstanek: so i agree that integration tests will pretty much not exist - they should go into tempest | 21:53 |
| jamielennox | I like the idea of switching to matchers instead of custom assertXxx functions on classes | 21:54 |
| jamielennox | Do you have any plan on how to migrate to the new format? | 21:55 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: i have a few code reviews open to start moving things | 21:56 |
| jamielennox | Just take individual test classes and clean them as they get moved into the folders? | 21:56 |
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| dstanek | i have a couple more local commits that just are not ready yet | 21:56 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: there is quite a bit to touch up | 21:56 |
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| jamielennox | yea, the problem i have had with tests cleanup is that it's really hard to isolate a change | 21:57 |
| jamielennox | everything is inter connected (badly) | 21:57 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: yeah, i've been working on cleaning that up | 21:58 |
| jamielennox | I'd be interested to see how far we can go with fixtures, like can we extract REST as a Mixin class or fixture so we don't have such a class chain | 21:58 |
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| jamielennox | also was there something a while ago about how we should be phasing out mox? | 22:01 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: yeah we have way too much setup because of that class hierarchy | 22:02 |
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| gongysh | ping jog0 | 22:02 |
| jog0 | gongysh: ping | 22:02 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54210/12 | 22:02 |
| gongysh | jog0 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1251784 | 22:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251784 in nova "nova+neutron scheduling error: Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Undecided,New] | 22:03 |
| gongysh | jog0 I want to know what exactly this gate is running? | 22:04 |
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| gongysh | jog0 can I run the gate locally? | 22:04 |
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| jog0 | gongysh: http://logs.openstack.org/83/52983/4/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops/e95df42/logs/localrc.txt.gz | 22:05 |
| jog0 | http://logs.openstack.org/83/52983/4/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops/e95df42/ | 22:05 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: also this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55085/ | 22:05 |
| jog0 | that should give you some context | 22:05 |
| jog0 | ofthe config settings and the test that is being run | 22:05 |
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| gongysh | jog0 are u meaning I can use that local rc to start devstack and run some command run the gate test locally? | 22:08 |
| jog0 | gongysh: yeah | 22:09 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ping | 22:09 |
| gongysh | jog0 the bug's gate name is gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-isolated, not large-ops. | 22:10 |
| jog0 | should get you very close to what is happening in gate | 22:10 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: pong | 22:10 |
| jog0 | gongysh: it happend there as well | 22:10 |
| gongysh | jog0: then what command should I use after I run the stack.sh? | 22:10 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55085/4/keystone/tests/test_keystoneclient.py is there a reason not to set self.admin_server and self.public_server to None in cleanup? | 22:10 |
| jog0 | gongysh: you should run tempest | 22:11 |
| jog0 | one of the tempest 'tox' envs | 22:11 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i'm not sure if that ever really bought us anything, but we did it before and now rely on the addCleanup to just kill the server vs. kill and reset the attribute | 22:11 |
| jog0 | the console.html log should help showyou what | 22:11 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i took it out because it isn't useful | 22:11 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, my guess is it is harmless, but, just doing a comparison. (instance property and all) | 22:11 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, fair enough. just 2x checking that it wasn't correcitng some odd side-effect | 22:12 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, there are a lot of those odd sideeffects due to some not-as-good-as-it-should-be test isolation | 22:12 |
| gongysh | jog0: ok, I got it http://logs.openstack.org/96/56496/1/gate/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-isolated/8df6c6c/console.html.gz | 22:12 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: my guess is that is was added there in hopes that it would solve either the file descriptor issue or the memory issue | 22:12 |
| gongysh | jog0: thanks | 22:12 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ah, force a GC. | 22:13 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, effectively | 22:13 |
| morganfainberg | yeah, i could see that being the thought. | 22:13 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: yeah, i've been trying to rip out the junk | 22:13 |
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| jog0 | gongysh: np | 22:13 |
| morganfainberg | doing reviews and wanting to get things moving where possible. | 22:14 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: i implemented that MatchFor matcher, but I haven't pushed because i don't know that it really makes it more clear | 22:15 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i may even hide the protocol that i'm explicitly testing | 22:15 |
| bknudson | dstanek: ok, if you tried it and didn't like it then I'm ok with the code as is. | 22:15 |
| bknudson | could add a comment at least... "Matcher returns None if successfully matched" | 22:16 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i was thinking of putting a comment about the matcher protocol in keystone.tests.matchers | 22:18 |
| dstanek | bknudson: http://paste.openstack.org/show/53563/ is for the matches case, but when it doesn't match i still want to check the exception | 22:18 |
| dstanek | bknudson: testtools has a nice, elaborate test framework for it's matchers, but i don't know if it's considered a part of their public interface | 22:20 |
| dstanek | bknudson: http://bit.ly/1an86bU | 22:20 |
| bknudson | I've got to admit I still like "self.assertThat(m, ksmatchers.MatchesFor(xml))" because otherwise need to duplicate logic of m.match and matchers.Is(None). | 22:20 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, i would love to assume the TestEqualsInterface is public api because it doesn't lead with _, but my guess is that the tests for testtools itself are likely not public, similar to how keystone's tests aren't really public api | 22:22 |
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| bknudson | the worst that could happen if you use it is that it would stop working at some point. | 22:24 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, that is a fair point | 22:27 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, ^ use the TestEqualsInterface ;) | 22:28 |
| dstanek | i can rig that up pretty quickly after dinner | 22:28 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: dstanek: TestMatchersInterface | 22:29 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, right, that one | 22:29 |
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| lifeless | dstanek: it's part of the public interface | 22:32 |
| lifeless | dstanek: pydoc will tell you | 22:32 |
| lifeless | dstanek: as does our documentation | 22:32 |
| lifeless | dstanek: and finally of course, you can just ask :) | 22:32 |
| lifeless | dstanek: things with _Foo aren't public, but we can make them public if needed | 22:32 |
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| dstanek | lifeless: thanks! no time to ask i just found it :) | 22:39 |
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| jkyle | I'm trying to run tempest against our cloud folling quickstart. I've configured the etc and run: testr run --parallel tempest, which prompted to run 'testr init'. Did that, reran | 22:39 |
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| jkyle | is there some kind of progress or log that I can use to see if it's doing anything? | 22:40 |
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| morganfainberg | lifeless, YAY for adhering to pep8 public vs private indicator(s)! | 22:40 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, seriously, seeing other projects using it makes me happy. | 22:40 |
| jkyle | _foo vs foo, eh | 22:40 |
| morganfainberg | jkyle, yep. | 22:41 |
| jkyle | __foo is ok, but I don't like the namespace munging it does | 22:41 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: :) | 22:41 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: the more signal we give the better | 22:41 |
| morganfainberg | jkyle, __ has a different meaning than _ | 22:42 |
| bknudson | I tried to rename keystoneclient.tests to keystone._tests once but that was shot down. | 22:42 |
| bknudson | keystoneclient._tests | 22:42 |
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| clarkb | tests should be public according to mordred | 22:42 |
| lifeless | dstanek: cool; so the primary thing for Matchers is we want to folk to write them, they are meant to be reusable and composable | 22:42 |
| clarkb | and I think he has mostly convinced me | 22:42 |
| lifeless | they should | 22:42 |
| jkyle | tests should be public, imo | 22:42 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, mostly? | 22:42 |
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| clarkb | morganfainberg: I see the utility of them, but tests seem to be treated as very private interfaces that can completely change under you if consuming them publicly | 22:43 |
| bknudson | then we need to support the interface for n-1 | 22:43 |
| clarkb | so there is the *should* and reality | 22:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yesh. | 22:43 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, right. | 22:43 |
| devananda | dhellmann: re: auto-generating api docs from pecan/wsme code, can you shoot me the link for the tool you mentioned? | 22:43 |
| dstanek | clarkb: the thing i don't like about them being public is that unit tests are meant to changed | 22:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i really hope we can get traction for the n-1 contract on interfaces. it seeeeems to be received positively.... | 22:44 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: I'm fine with it but first we need to make sure the interface is what it should be | 22:44 |
| dhellmann | devananda: there's sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme, which you can get from pip and there's a tool someone on the doc team has written but has not received permission to release yet | 22:44 |
| jkyle | morganfainberg: I thought the __ was originally a little stab at "private" variables that fell out of favor but stayed around for the edge case name conflicts | 22:44 |
| bknudson | I don't think it's what we want today. | 22:44 |
| bknudson | It's grown organically | 22:44 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: n-1 contract interfaces? | 22:45 |
| morganfainberg | jkyle, it is still used in some cases. and i think there are some valid uses for it still. but mostly there is no reason to go to that length to protect things | 22:45 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, tests, just like internal apis, would need to have the same deprecation support | 22:46 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: identity driver isn't too bad... only oddity is the is_domain_aware. | 22:46 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, keystone is _trying_ to setup that contract (for internal apis where possible), if tests are public, they'd fall into the same category | 22:46 |
| morganfainberg | by our current definition | 22:46 |
| devananda | dhellmann: is the difference significant enough taht I should not start using sphinxcontrib-pecanwsme? | 22:46 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, agreed. | 22:46 |
| dhellmann | devananda: the sphinx thing works with rst docs like you might have for developers, the other tool generates docbook like the doc team uses | 22:47 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ceilometer didn't have any docbook docs, so we were able to make use of the sphinx plugin | 22:47 |
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| jkyle | morganfainberg: right, basically you can still access the underlying variable if you know the mangle rule, which makes it effectly no better (and a more of a pain then) a single underscore | 22:48 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: assignments isn't that bad either... would be nice to have sub-managers... assignment_api.project.by_name() | 22:48 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, that is a nice idea. | 22:48 |
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| bknudson | because there's a lot of duplication | 22:48 |
| devananda | dhellmann: ack,t hanks | 22:48 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, actually... i could see that being quite awesome. | 22:48 |
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| morganfainberg | jkyle, right, but it puts a barrier to entry higher than "oh no no, don't touch that we told you it's a bad idea", and in some cases it's worth doing that. | 22:49 |
| lifeless | bknudson: all code is meant to be changed | 22:49 |
| lifeless | bknudson: :) | 22:49 |
| lifeless | the external contract for tests is 'they exist and can be run' | 22:49 |
| lifeless | for helpers within the library, document the expectations | 22:50 |
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| dstanek | morganfainberg: to me that starts to be dangerous because it limits our ability to refactor implementation details | 22:54 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, i didn't say it should be that way | 22:54 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, it just is currently defined loosly like that. | 22:54 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: i'd actually like to rewrite a ton of the tests to get rid the the test case class heirarchies | 22:55 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, but with the n-1 contract on internal apis, (@deprecated decorator is awesome) we need to maintain tests for deprecated interfaces as well. | 22:55 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, but with lifeless's definition of the extrnal contract for tests being "they exist and can be run" i think you're safe to do so ;) | 22:55 |
| lifeless | dstanek: +10000 | 22:57 |
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| lifeless | dstanek: you've seen https://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/maintainable-pyunit-test-suites-fixtures/ ? | 22:57 |
| lifeless | dstanek: and http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/maintainable-pyunit-test-suites/ ? | 22:57 |
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| dstanek | lifeless: i haven't seen that yet | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, oh nice. | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, *sends that post around internally* | 22:58 |
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| dstanek | lifeless: i've started moving things in Keystone toward fixtures | 22:58 |
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| lifeless | morganfainberg: yw | 23:08 |
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| morganfainberg | lifeless, might owe ya a beer at the next summit for saving explinations to people here at my company ;) | 23:09 |
| lifeless | :) | 23:09 |
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| morganfainberg | shardy, ping | 23:11 |
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| jkyle | ok, I got tempest running. But it's erroring out on the compute task saying it timed out. But the keystone uri is copy pata'd from my openrc -> https://auth.mycloud.com/v2.0 | 23:16 |
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| morganfainberg | jkyle, can it reach the compute endpoint? | 23:17 |
| stevemar | jkyle, what was the error you were getting? | 23:17 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg - shoo, i got this one :P | 23:17 |
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| stevemar | jkyle, did nova start at all? | 23:17 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, i kid :) | 23:17 |
| jkyle | should. error: [Errno 60] Operation timed out | 23:17 |
| jkyle | python-novaclient works as expected | 23:18 |
| jkyle | sec, drilling down into the actual test. It's the setUp that's failing in tempest.tests.compute.admin.test_flavors.FlavorsAdminTestJSON | 23:18 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, wait you told me you had this! | 23:21 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar :P | 23:21 |
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| jkyle | get_isolated_creds, perhaps I don't understand the isolated_tenants dealio | 23:21 |
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| stevemar | isolated tenants... | 23:23 |
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| morganfainberg | jkyle, isolated iirc just means creation of tenants for the tasks | 23:24 |
| morganfainberg | so the work is isolated to the tenant/project | 23:24 |
| morganfainberg | helps to isolate bleed from one test to another | 23:25 |
| jkyle | that's what I assumed | 23:26 |
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| jkyle | think I found it, it's a keystone admin call. | 23:29 |
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| jkyle | adminURL is private | 23:32 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann, ping | 23:45 |
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