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| kashyap | Hien, do folks think (I do) it's worth adding a 'libguestfs' tag? I'm looking through untagged bugs, and felt it's reasonable to add it to the list -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTags | 08:41 |
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| kashyap | (Err, didn't mean to prompt him :( damn tab completion.) | 08:41 |
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| ttx | sdague: could use your +2/APRV on grenade's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71555/ (dtroyer already +2ed) | 11:10 |
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| sdague | ttx: done | 11:23 |
| ttx | sdague: thx! | 11:24 |
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| sdague | devananda: is there a job running somewhere in the gate that uses this devstack patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70348/ | 12:31 |
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| sdague | I'd like to be able to see some execution as part of review | 12:32 |
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| sdague | jd__: can I get you to send this into the gate - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77315/ - needed to attempt to use ceilometer multinode with devstack | 13:35 |
| jd__ | sdague: approved | 13:36 |
| sdague | thanks | 13:36 |
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| sdague | also, in the multi node case, what agents do you expect running on the compute nodes? just acompute? | 13:37 |
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| Alexei_987 | Hi are there any keystone folks around? Could someone explain to me (or point to the doc) why PKI token is needed? What's the profit of using a long token? | 14:08 |
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| devvesa | Alexei_987: check out this post from mirantis blog: http://www.mirantis.com/blog/understanding-openstack-authentication-keystone-pki/ | 14:43 |
| Alexei_987 | devvesa: Thanks. I will | 14:43 |
| devvesa | it is really clarifying | 14:43 |
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| dripton | mriedem: that sqlalchemy-migrate-0.8.3 release I attempted to Friday failed. I just pushed 0.8.4. Hopefully correctly this time. | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | dripton: what happened? | 14:52 |
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| dripton | mriedem: I forgot to use -s to GPG sign the tag I made. | 14:52 |
| mriedem | oh | 14:52 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:52 |
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| BLZbubba | i'm working on a PoC document, is there a nice one page diagram of all the available havana components? e.g. heat, baremetal, etc | 14:57 |
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| dhellmann | sileht: do you have a minute to talk about the notification-subscriber-server blueprint? | 15:10 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, sure | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | sileht: viktors beat you, but can you hang out in #openstack-oslo for a few minutes until we're done? | 15:18 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, ok | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | sileht: thanks, should be ready in a minute or two | 15:21 |
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| dripton | mriedem: we had a problem with the sqlalchemy-migrate DB2 code when we tried a release. It contained an unconditional import of ibm_db_sa, which breaks our testing on boxes without that module. DB imports need to be conditional. | 15:31 |
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| mriedem | dripton: ok, looking | 15:31 |
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| mriedem | dripton: this is related but shouldn't probably make a difference https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48745/ | 15:32 |
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| mriedem | dripton: so how does this work with mysql and postgresql since those are listed in test-requirements.txt? they are just on the images used? | 15:33 |
| mriedem | b/c ibm_db_sa is in pypi.python.org | 15:33 |
| dripton | mriedem: test-requirements.txt isn't actually used by devstack. (TIL.) | 15:34 |
| mriedem | TIL? | 15:34 |
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| dripton | mriedem: today I learned. I thought the code was okay when I reviewed it because I forgot that we only test migrate in devstack which doesn't use test-requirements.txt to pull in deps | 15:35 |
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| dripton | mriedem: there's talk of starting a tempest job to test migrate, but we don't have one yet | 15:35 |
| mriedem | dripton: so should we fix devstack? | 15:35 |
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| dripton | mriedem: I believe devstack doesn't use it by design | 15:35 |
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| mriedem | isn't tox being used to run the unit tests? | 15:36 |
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| mriedem | which would use test-requirements.txt? | 15:36 |
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| sdague | mriedem: the point is migrate is a db abstraction layer | 15:37 |
| sdague | it should never require that all possible drivers it supports are installed | 15:37 |
| mriedem | yeah | 15:37 |
| sdague | it doesn't explode if you don't install pg drivers | 15:38 |
| mriedem | looking at firebird and oracle in migrate, they import from sqlalchemy so no problems there | 15:38 |
| mriedem | i can push a patch to ignore the import error on ibm_db_sa | 15:38 |
| sdague | sure, though before a new release, really need an actual tempest job on migrate | 15:38 |
| dripton | sdague: the bad line in ibmdb2.py looks a lot like an import line in mysql.py | 15:38 |
| dripton | sdague: so it can be that it's wrong for all of them and we just happen to be lucky with the other DBs | 15:39 |
| mriedem | dripton: the difference is ibm_db_sa is not in sqlalchemy | 15:39 |
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| dripton | mriedem: aha, I see the difference in the import now. Thanks. | 15:39 |
| sdague | right, sqlalchemy probably has all the right conditional loading | 15:39 |
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| sdague | anyway, I don't think a follow up migrate release should happen until there are tempest jobs | 15:41 |
| dripton | sdague: ack | 15:41 |
| sdague | because I don't want this to happen again | 15:41 |
| jaypipes | again again. | 15:41 |
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| sdague | jaypipes: did this happen before? | 15:41 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: issues with SA versions being backwards incompatible? yes. | 15:42 |
| sdague | oh, so that's not this issue | 15:42 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: oh. sorry for the noise then :) | 15:42 |
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| sdague | this is migrate, which we now own on stackforge, had db2 support added directly to it. but in a non conditional way | 15:43 |
| dripton | jaypipes: that's not the problem this time. This time it's that we have new code that doesn't run well in devstack-gate. But no voting tempest test to tell us that until we try a release. | 15:43 |
| sdague | which just exploded everythign when the release got cut | 15:43 |
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| jaypipes | I see... ok, thx for setting me straight :) | 15:45 |
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| mriedem | sdague: dripton: so how does the gate get fixed right now? rollback the tag? | 15:46 |
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| sdague | mriedem: dripton pulled the db2 patch and made a 0.8.5 | 15:46 |
| dripton | mriedem: I made a 0.8.5 tag pointing right before the DB2 add | 15:46 |
| mriedem | ah ok | 15:46 |
| sdague | and we put in a requirements block on 0.8.4 | 15:46 |
| sdague | which is promoted to top of gate | 15:46 |
| mriedem | so 0.8.5 == 0.8.2 | 15:46 |
| dripton | mriedem: so emergency over, but we can't move forward until we have a fix for the DB2 patch, and a tempest job | 15:47 |
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| mriedem | yeah | 15:47 |
| sdague | so the gate it ok, the check queue will be gorp until the requirements job merges | 15:47 |
| sdague | which is why the er fingerprint was important | 15:47 |
| sdague | so people know why their stuff died | 15:47 |
| mriedem | yeah, that's +Aed now | 15:47 |
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| sdague | mriedem: yep, thanks | 15:50 |
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| mriedem | i'll probably need some help with getting tempest setup for migrate later | 15:50 |
| mriedem | working on the import patch now | 15:51 |
| mriedem | sorry for the explosion | 15:51 |
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| mriedem | i thought test-requirements.txt would handle this | 15:51 |
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| dripton | mriedem: I thought it would too. Now we know. | 15:55 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: is there any thinking about renaming oslo.config? there remains all sorts of situations where pip thinks olso.config is installed, and it's not accessible | 16:56 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: "all sorts of situations"? | 17:05 |
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| sdague | for the same reasons that oslo.sphinx was unfindable. I'm in another devstack status right now where oslo.config is installed, glance-manage blows up because it can't find it | 17:06 |
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| dhellmann | which other oslo packages are installed, and which are installed as editable? | 17:06 |
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| sdague | oslo.messaging ... I'm rebuilding, can get a view of the system again in a few | 17:08 |
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| sdague | and everything in /opt/stack is installed as editable as far as I know | 17:09 |
| dhellmann | sdague: if it's all installed the same way, you shouldn't have any problems | 17:09 |
| sdague | I've heard the words "should" used a lot :) | 17:09 |
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| sdague | well, I have this all vagrant replicable, so I can hand you an environment if this fails again if you want to see | 17:11 |
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| dhellmann | which tox environment is failing, what repo? | 17:11 |
| sdague | this isn't tox | 17:11 |
| sdague | this is starting devstack | 17:11 |
| dhellmann | so all global packages? | 17:11 |
| sdague | no venv | 17:11 |
| sdague | yep | 17:11 |
| dhellmann | ok | 17:11 |
| dhellmann | that's a new case, afaik | 17:12 |
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| sdague | yeh, I've hit it before. I really don't know how one gets into this situation | 17:15 |
| sdague | other than it's typically a longer used environment | 17:15 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: we had one last week where someone installed oslo.messaging via a system package and then later tried to run devstack | 17:20 |
| dhellmann | sdague: why does devstack install with -e? | 17:20 |
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| sdague | honestly, the subtleties of python packaging here escape me. That was introduced by mordred | 17:21 |
| dhellmann | it's probably so the dev can just restart a service and see whatever change they've made in /opt/stack | 17:22 |
| devananda | sdague: no job running 70348 yet, no | 17:22 |
| sdague | that sounds right, that is the intent | 17:22 |
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| sdague | devananda: can someone set that up as an experimental job? It's a little hard to understand some of the implications of whether it will work in the gate without being able to try running some of this | 17:23 |
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| devananda | sdague: certainly -- however, this ties into the discussion in #project meeting last week | 17:27 |
| devananda | sdague: and my undersatnding is basically that work is not going to be landed in icehouse | 17:27 |
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| mordred | yes. what sdague said | 17:27 |
| devananda | BUT we should have ane xperimental job anyway | 17:27 |
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| sdague | well, review on the devstack jobs can move forward in icehouse | 17:28 |
| mordred | dhellmann: because devstack is a tool for developers to work on openstack - so operating out of the git repos in /opt/stack is a very common use case | 17:28 |
| sdague | but only if we have that experimental job, because really do need to see it run | 17:28 |
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| devananda | sdague: ++ | 17:28 |
| devananda | sdague: so there's alsoa chicken&egg issue | 17:28 |
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| devananda | sdague: we need to test taht devstack patch with the tail of a series of nova patches | 17:28 |
| mordred | dhellmann, sdague: what is the deal with oslo.config vs. osloconfig? what has all of a sudden started breaking? | 17:28 |
| devananda | sdague: ie, the ones that add the "ironic" driver | 17:28 |
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| devananda | sdague: without those, that devstack patch has nothing to test | 17:29 |
| sdague | devananda: ok | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | mordred: it sounds like we have something bringing in a packaged version of a lib as well as the source version | 17:29 |
| sdague | hmmph | 17:29 |
| mordred | oh. | 17:29 |
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| mordred | but that shouldn't have anything to do with dot in the name | 17:29 |
| devananda | mordred has told me it's OK to land things in devstack on faith | 17:29 |
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| dhellmann | mordred, sdague : the fact that it breaks the namespace package entirely is probably better than the subtle breakage that would happen if both versions of the package were silently available | 17:30 |
| devananda | and then test the nova patches with said experimental job | 17:30 |
| sdague | devananda: hmmm yeh, we need a better answer on the chicken & egg policy | 17:31 |
| devananda | sdague: but i dont see how we can have an experimental job in devstack's pipe which also tests a *series* of patches in Nova | 17:31 |
| devananda | mordred: ^^ | 17:31 |
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| mordred | so - this isn't a GREAT answer | 17:31 |
| mordred | but in the past | 17:31 |
| mordred | what we've done is we've added _Support_ to devstack that's off by default that can be configured on | 17:31 |
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| sdague | so more projects getting in this bind means we really do need to implement cross project testing dependencies in zuul | 17:32 |
| mordred | and then the experimental job can turn on that flag | 17:32 |
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| mordred | sdague: I'm still not convinced we need to do that | 17:32 |
| sdague | I am :) | 17:32 |
| sdague | because I want to stop taking things on faith | 17:32 |
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| mordred | hrm | 17:33 |
| sdague | I want to actually propose a nova change, and a devstack change, define a link, and look at the results of the one on the bottom | 17:33 |
| sdague | we still have to merge in a way that ensures all the tests pass | 17:33 |
| sdague | but then I can actually test the nova code based on a world where the devstack code was available | 17:34 |
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| sdague | and with 10 integrated projects + tempest + devstack + grenade + devstack-gate | 17:34 |
| sdague | the lack of this becomes more problematic over time | 17:34 |
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| mriedem | sdague: when you get a minute, can you give me a few pointers at what i'd need to look at to getting tempest running against sqlalchemy-migrate? | 18:46 |
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| sdague | mriedem: sure | 18:46 |
| sdague | let me find a good example | 18:47 |
| mriedem | or is that better discussed in infra? | 18:47 |
| sdague | either is fine, you pick, I'll go find a good piece of code to point at | 18:47 |
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| mriedem | infra it is | 18:48 |
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| alexpilotti | mikal: hi | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | who is here to continue talking about 3rd party testing systems? | 19:01 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 19:02 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:02 |
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| akerr | anteaya: i'm interested | 19:02 |
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| anteaya | jaypipes: do continue sir | 19:02 |
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| jaypipes | where did luqas go? :( | 19:04 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: there you are :) | 19:04 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: ok, so you were up next but we ran out of time... | 19:04 |
| luqas | jaypipes | 19:04 |
| luqas | :hi | 19:04 |
| jaypipes | luqas: mind quickly summarizing your main question(s)? | 19:05 |
| luqas | yes, sorry, my question wasn't clear | 19:05 |
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| luqas | it is all about dealing with a tempest failure | 19:05 |
| luqas | which can make the next tempest test to fail | 19:05 |
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| luqas | so, sometimes i wonder if it would be safer to run each test in a clean environmet | 19:06 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: it's best to deal with specifics. Do you happen to have a stacktrace or error log to look at? | 19:06 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: ++ about running in a clean env. See question #2 on that etherpad. | 19:07 |
| jaypipes | luqas: basically, right now there are two choices for you: | 19:07 |
| jaypipes | 1) Call the devstack-clean.sh script either before or after the jenkins devstack tempest tests run | 19:07 |
| jaypipes | 2) Use single-use slave nodes, managed by nodepool. | 19:08 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: for #2, I am writing an article about using nodepool properly. | 19:08 |
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| luqas | jaypipes: I see | 19:08 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: however, do keep in mind that it will require 3-10x as many compute resources as static devstack slave node, which gets "wiped" after each run | 19:08 |
| jaypipes | luqas: for #1, the link is this: | 19:09 |
| jaypipes | one sec... | 19:09 |
| luqas | :-) | 19:09 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: https://github.com/amotoki/devstack-tools | 19:09 |
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| luqas | jaypipes: thanks | 19:10 |
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| jaypipes | krtaylor: did you have a specific question about 3rd party CI we can help you with? | 19:11 |
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| luqas | jaypipes: but I am not sure if you got my point regarding that I failure in a tempest broke our plugin and therefore the rest of the tests fails | 19:12 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: wouldn't that be a problem with the plugin, though? :) | 19:13 |
| jaypipes | luqas: do you mean to say that running a specific tempest test causes your plugin to go into an unrecoverable state? | 19:13 |
| jaypipes | luqas: I would say that is a major problem, no? | 19:13 |
| luqas | exactly | 19:13 |
| jaypipes | luqas: since Tempest is only executing public API calls... | 19:14 |
| jaypipes | luqas: and Tempest does not mess with any internals, etc. | 19:14 |
| luqas | that was what i was trying to explain | 19:14 |
| jaypipes | luqas: but I don't think there's anything that we can do about that, no? | 19:14 |
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| jaypipes | luqas: that is really just an indication of fragile code in the plugin. Do you have a stacktrace or something from the plugin indicating what is causing the unrecoverable failure? | 19:15 |
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| luqas | jaypipes: I would have to dig into the logs... | 19:15 |
| anteaya | jaypipes: krtaylor and Arxcrux have their own internal ci and often offer patches to zuul | 19:15 |
| anteaya | jaypipes: they are both great 3rd party testing resources | 19:16 |
| luqas | jaypipes: it depends on our own commits | 19:16 |
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| buzztroll | Has anyone had success running devstack with docker? | 19:19 |
| buzztroll | It seems to work until I actually try to ssh into a docker container | 19:19 |
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| buzztroll | openstack and docker do not agree on the IP address (and docker is right) | 19:20 |
| luqas | jaypipes: that's why by running each tempest in a clean env. I am sure that it is not depending on any bug in our plugin | 19:21 |
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| luqas | jaypipes: but you are right, there is nothing you could do from your side, thanks for your answers | 19:23 |
| jaypipes | luqas: well, I'm not sure how much more I can help without seeing some sort of stacktrace or similar from the plugin. Feel free to email me at jaypipes@gmail.com with that kind of thing! | 19:23 |
| luqas | jaypipes: cool! | 19:24 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, would appreciate some review cycles for this. We should get it into Icehouse https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76992/ | 19:26 |
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| lifeless | markwash: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-multicast-image-transfer | 19:29 |
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| mriedem | dripton: fyi in case you want to monitor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77679/ | 19:38 |
| mriedem | dripton: i'm going to need some hand-holding from the infra guys on that | 19:38 |
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| akerr | jaypipes: do you have recommended specs for machines that host the various services needed for the CI enviornment? Like CPUs, RAM, HDD, etc? | 19:39 |
| dripton | mriedem, ack, thanks. The infra guys are always super helpful. | 19:39 |
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| jaypipes | akerr: for devstack slave VM nodes, they need at least 40GB disk and 4GB RAM. | 19:41 |
| jaypipes | akerr: num cpus doesn't really matter, IMO | 19:42 |
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| akerr | jaypipes: thx | 19:44 |
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| Sukhdev | dtroyer: Would you please give few review cycles to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76992/ | 19:51 |
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| ekarlso | jamielennox: how could I use the client stuff you said ? | 20:13 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: ping? | 20:27 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1286984 just wondering if there is a tox job to generate? | 20:27 |
| lbragstad | for oslo.messaging? | 20:27 |
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| sdague | jaypipes: you know if roman hangs out on irc? I wanted to figure out the state of those oslo.db syncs needed to not be in db corrupting state | 20:35 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: he does hang out on IRC, but it's late for him I think... | 20:38 |
| * jaypipes back laters... | 20:38 | |
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| sdague | sure | 20:43 |
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| sdague | I'm just really concerned that the way oslo.db is currently being handled is putting the entire project in a bind | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | lbragstad: yes, the docs are published to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.messaging/ | 20:57 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: and that is done through tox? | 20:57 |
| lbragstad | or sphinx? | 20:58 |
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| dhellmann | lbragstad: what is it you're actually trying to do? run the doc build locally? | 20:58 |
| lbragstad | right, I want to be able to add the docs to oslo.messaging for the log_handler that was merged into oslo.messaging last week. | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad: ok, to build the docs locally run: tox -e venv -- python setup.py build_sphinx | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | that's basically what the publishing job does | 20:59 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: thanks, I'll give that a shot quick | 21:01 |
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| jgriffith | flaper87: sorry... I know we just talked, but were you going to rebase that patch today? | 21:08 |
| jgriffith | flaper87: I see conflicts in our future so we should try and cut the chord to get this in, or else you're going to be stuck 'forever' :) | 21:09 |
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| flaper87 | jgriffith: hey, yes, I was going to but then X, Y and Z got in my way. :( I'll rebase it tomorrow and yes, I agree we'll hit many conflicts if we don't let it land soon | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | jgriffith: you could start reviewing it anyway, I expect the conflicts to be in the rpcapi or something like that | 21:11 |
| jgriffith | flaper87: LOL.. happens to me all the time | 21:11 |
| jgriffith | flaper87: so... I've gone through it | 21:11 |
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| jgriffith | flaper87: I think I'm good with trying it | 21:12 |
| jgriffith | flaper87: I had on concern that I pointed out before that I highlited again | 21:12 |
| jgriffith | flaper87: the weird RPC error messages in Nova when they last synched | 21:12 |
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| jgriffith | flaper87: do you remember what I'm talking about? | 21:12 |
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| flaper87 | jgriffith: yeah, part of it was addressed already and there were 2 other patches (that already landed) that completed the fix to that issue. I don't think a new version has been released on pypi yet but FWIW, the issue was not ignored | 21:14 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:14 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm: ping | 21:23 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm: wondering about most recent patch removing KDS... | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: was this because it is not used, not working, or both? | 21:24 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77701/ | 21:24 |
| * jaypipes just curious. | 21:24 | |
| dolphm | jaypipes: both | 21:24 |
| jaypipes | k | 21:24 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: it was discussed in the TC meeting last week -- i'd like to move it into it's own repo, which was the end goal anyway | 21:24 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: but i got turned down and instead we're going to ship icehouse without it, and create a feature branch for it | 21:24 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm: thx | 21:24 |
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| dolphm | jaypipes: so the feature branch should be based on the current master (with KDS) | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | understood. | 21:25 |
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| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: if you've kept up with http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/028125.html i'd appreciate your input on -dev or in #openstack-keystone | 21:49 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I guess that seems fine. I actually don't use uuids | 21:50 |
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| Ryan_Lane | since my users aren't created in keystone, but in LDAP | 21:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | my user ids and names are the same field | 21:51 |
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| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: the proposal would ultimately result in uuid's within openstack, and keystone keeping a mapping between those ID's and their actual source (your id attribute in LDAP) | 21:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | hm | 21:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, *that*'s more of a problem | 21:51 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: =) | 21:51 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, current ids wouldn't change though | 21:52 |
| ayoung | I had one problem, so I used UUDS, now I have 2 problems... | 21:52 |
| morganfainberg | just new ones. (as per the proposal) | 21:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | right now keystone only really stores endpoints/service catalogue info into the database | 21:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | some folks are not replicating the database, but are replicating the token store | 21:52 |
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| Ryan_Lane | mh | 21:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | hm | 21:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | maybe it isn't an issue | 21:52 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane are you on Havana? | 21:53 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, or Grizzly? | 21:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | will be soon | 21:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | folsom and havana | 21:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | with tokens replicating across using redis | 21:53 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, H tokens are reconstructed each time on validate | 21:53 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, you need the whole DB as i recall | 21:53 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, PKI tokens aside | 21:54 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane since PKI is cool like that | 21:54 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, but that is something else - more to the question at hand (sorry, didn't mean to derail)_ | 21:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | reconstructed | 21:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | ? | 21:54 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, validate builds the token from the DB / keystone internals not from the token store in H | 21:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | this is a decision that made it through code review? | 21:55 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, it's a side effect of how the token providers work | 21:55 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, it's long since shipped in H. | 21:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | how does this work with token providers that aren't sql? | 21:56 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, we need some data from the token in the storage, so it's kindof mixed | 21:56 |
| Ryan_Lane | wow | 21:56 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I'm seriously considering that I need to look at something other than openstack | 21:56 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, it's being fixed :(, we are trying to work towards ephemeral (no storage) tokens. | 21:57 |
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| Ryan_Lane | so what you're saying is that token backends are basically worthless | 21:57 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, not worthless, but a chunk of the data is not used. | 21:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | so, assuming I'm pointing everything client facing at a single keystone server, the tokens replicate from that one to another datacenter | 21:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | but I'm not replicating mysql | 21:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | my configuration is actually broken? | 21:59 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, UUID tokens? | 21:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | yes | 21:59 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, V2 or V3? | 22:00 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, i think this issue is a V3 ism actually | 22:00 |
| Ryan_Lane | V2 API | 22:00 |
| Ryan_Lane | hah. one more reason to not use V3 :) | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, V2 looks ok. | 22:01 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: does v2 not use token providers? | 22:01 |
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| dolphm | (i assume that's what made the change in behavior during havana) | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, V2 uses all data in the token.get() | 22:01 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, v2 still uses the provider | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, erm token_api.get() | 22:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, v3, reconstructs the token from the keystone internals eg. database | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | I was actually wondering, because I'm doing this right now, replicating tokens from folsom to havana | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | and it works fine | 22:02 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, yeah V3 would be broken. | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | cool. I'll stick with V2 for now | 22:02 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ^ another usecase we need to handle w/ ephemeral tokens in J i think. means I may be a nogo for ryan's usecase | 22:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | so, back to UUIDs... | 22:03 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, ++ | 22:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | I like the idea, but I wish I didn't need mysql | 22:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | it also seems like it's just going to be problematic when considering multiple regions | 22:04 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: there'd be no point in the mapping table if you're only running with one domain / one identity backend... is there a way we can simplify things in that scenario? | 22:04 |
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| Ryan_Lane | how are these UUIDs generated? what will happen when they need to be replicated? | 22:05 |
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| Ryan_Lane | the first time I token is requested it'll be generated? | 22:05 |
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| Ryan_Lane | *a | 22:05 |
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| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, yeah | 22:06 |
| ayoung | or the first time you see a user from outside | 22:06 |
| Ryan_Lane | so assuming you always point people at one endpoint, it should work fine | 22:06 |
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| ayoung | where outside means either LDAP or Federation | 22:06 |
| ayoung | wait... | 22:06 |
| ayoung | I thjink I'm addressing something else | 22:06 |
| Ryan_Lane | let's say you have 4 regions | 22:07 |
| ayoung | OK | 22:07 |
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| Ryan_Lane | but you force everyone through a single endpoint | 22:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | so that you can replicate tokens | 22:07 |
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| Ryan_Lane | but your services in each datacenter point locally | 22:08 |
| Ryan_Lane | (to their own keystone) | 22:08 |
| Ryan_Lane | in this situation, a user would need to get their token first, so the UUID should always be generated at the primary | 22:08 |
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| Ryan_Lane | then you could replicate it | 22:08 |
| ayoung | Ryan_Lane, that is why we want to get away from recording tokens in the backend. But that is a different battle I'm fighting | 22:09 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ayoung_afk: this is still a problem | 22:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | because you need to have unique user ids | 22:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | it would be problematic to have a UUID in each region for your user | 22:10 |
| Ryan_Lane | it really defeats the purpose of a UUID ;) | 22:10 |
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| Ryan_Lane | also, if you have a UUID in the database that links to an external resource, what do you do when the external resource changes? | 22:12 |
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| Ryan_Lane | if I rename the LDAP user and the UUID isn't saved there, how is this reflected in keystone's db? | 22:12 |
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| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: that'd result in a new user_id attribute inside openstack, with or without this solution, right? | 22:14 |
| dolphm | new user_id value* | 22:14 |
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| Ryan_Lane | no, because the user name is different than the UUID | 22:14 |
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| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: i thought you were using user_id = user_name ? | 22:15 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I am. so I of course have that issue ;) | 22:16 |
| Ryan_Lane | it doesn't matter to me, since we rely on roles for everything | 22:16 |
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| Ryan_Lane | we could purge everything in keystone and it would be fine | 22:16 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I just don't understand how moving the UUID out of the external resource is going to work | 22:18 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: tox -e venv -- python setup.py build_sphinx works for your correct? I am getting an error but when I run with sphinx-build -a /opt/stack/oslo.messaging/doc/source doc/build it works fine in venv | 22:21 |
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| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: to be clear, it's creating a new UUID for external resources -- not copying one out of an external resource | 22:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | right, so what happens when that external resource changes? | 22:21 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad: if you have it working, that should be ok | 22:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | there's a new UUID? | 22:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | that doesn't point to the same user? | 22:21 |
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| Ryan_Lane | err | 22:22 |
| Ryan_Lane | now you have two UUIDs, where one points to the old user and one points to the new user? | 22:22 |
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| Ryan_Lane | so, resources associated with the old uuid are no longer associated with the old one | 22:22 |
| Ryan_Lane | which somewhat defeats the purpose? | 22:22 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: if the "id" attribute of the external resource is changing, then yes, you'd get a new resource in keystone | 22:23 |
| Ryan_Lane | then why even use UUIDs? | 22:23 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: if it's just some other attribute, then nothing would be created in keystone | 22:23 |
| Ryan_Lane | the user name itself can be assumed to be unique anyway | 22:23 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: in a keystone deployment with a single identity backend, it wouldn't provide much benefit beyond hiding LDAP-ness from openstack (like really long user_ids) | 22:24 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: i suppose we could also expose an API to say "these two external identities are the same user" | 22:25 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad: I am seeing an error about the source_dir when I use the original command I gave you; I must have old instructions | 22:26 |
| dolphm | that gets really complicated if it's self-service... but it wouldn't be hard if it was aimed at deployers | 22:26 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, sorry was dragged away | 22:27 |
| morganfainberg | so, single backend no mapping table? | 22:27 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: is there a simple solution to make that happen? | 22:28 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i don't imagine there is, without a bunch of extra complexity | 22:28 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, well, if you disable federation and multi-identity i think we could keep the same code we have now... but it feels like something that will bitrot | 22:28 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, highly conditional | 22:29 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, s/code we have now/logic we have now/ | 22:29 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, Ryan_Lane, we could work with a persistence backend manager for it. Allow the use of redis, sql, etc. | 22:30 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, Ryan_Lane, I think we need to have some form of persistence, and that means we need to figure out how to store it. | 22:31 |
| Ryan_Lane | it's pretty hard to make keystone work across regions right now | 22:31 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, for I, i think it's not unreasonable to make this conditional on multiple backends/federation, even as it adds complexity | 22:31 |
| Ryan_Lane | it sucks to make end-users point at different identity urls to use different regions | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | I'm trying my best to avoid that | 22:32 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, yeah. i do want to see that become less of an issue, and have ideas but it's... probably a ways out | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | my worry is having different UUIDs for the same user being stored in keystone | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | morganfainberg: well, I'm doing that right now ;) | 22:32 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: icehouse is introducing a new API to do just that... | 22:32 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, federation? ++ | 22:33 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#regions-v3regions | 22:33 |
| morganfainberg | oh that | 22:33 |
| morganfainberg | yes | 22:33 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 22:33 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, if we move to uuids we would use soemthing like UUID5 or hashing to guarantee the "id" + "attribute used" would net the same uuid in all cases | 22:33 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, the goal would be that the UUID would be the same everytime provided the key attribute we use to derive user_id wouldn't change (which... different user then) | 22:34 |
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| Ryan_Lane | that sounds fine, then | 22:35 |
| Ryan_Lane | I don't think it solves a ton, still | 22:35 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, but absolutely I don't want the potential for a user_id to end up something totally wonky because you went to a different server | 22:35 |
| Ryan_Lane | but I'm probably just missing parts of it :) | 22:36 |
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| Ryan_Lane | assuming uuid5 is used, this sounds workable to me :) | 22:36 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, well the alternative is to use <used_id_bit_from_ldap/federation>@@<domain_id> | 22:36 |
| * Ryan_Lane nods | 22:36 | |
| morganfainberg | as the user_id. | 22:36 |
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| ayoung_afk | which is what makes sense.. | 22:37 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ayoung_afk: what makes sense? | 22:42 |
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| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: ayoung_afk is advocating for encoding the source of the user into the "user_id" value that is passed around openstack via the token | 22:44 |
| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: how long are your user_id's today, btw? | 22:44 |
| Ryan_Lane | very short | 22:45 |
| Ryan_Lane | no one wants a 50 char user name ;) | 22:45 |
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| dolphm | Ryan_Lane: ++ so ayoung's solution would probably result in "user": {"id": "ryan_lane@@default", "name": "ryan_lane"} iirc | 22:48 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: the only way it worked was with the following: | 22:49 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, Ryan_Lane, our "proposed" solution would be a fixed length uuid though so, "user": {"id": "00b88bf2317656f2b85502ada63f816a", "name": "ryan_lane"} (if it were a new user, not an exisiting one) | 22:50 |
| lbragstad | http://paste.openstack.org/show/71925/ dhellmann | 22:50 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 22:50 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, just trying to be fair in comparison | 22:50 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: appreciated | 22:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | would this affect the end-user at all? | 22:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | or is this all behind the scenes? | 22:51 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, the only difference is new users end up with uuids as user_ids | 22:51 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, everything else would be the same | 22:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | so when they log into something, they need to use the uuid? | 22:52 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, or in the case of ayoung's proposal, new users would be same format as now + @@<domain> | 22:52 |
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| dhellmann | lbragstad: you had to specify the full path to the class? is it not imported in oslo/messaging/__init__.py? | 22:52 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, if they were logging in with the user_id before, yes, if they were logging in with user_name + domain, no | 22:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | ... | 22:52 |
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| Ryan_Lane | how in the world would my users (in LDAP) know their UUID? | 22:53 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, again currently existing users wouldn't be affected | 22:53 |
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| morganfainberg | actually | 22:53 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: nope, which is weird, | 22:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | especially since it's generated | 22:53 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: because we import notify here : https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/oslo/messaging/__init__.py | 22:53 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane do people login with usernames or ids more often across OS deployments? | 22:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | people log into the web interface all the time | 22:54 |
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| Ryan_Lane | and they don't use some awkward UUID :) | 22:54 |
| morganfainberg | which means, username | 22:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | ah. I see what you mean | 22:54 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann: which means it should work if we add 'PublishErrorsHandler' to https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/oslo/messaging/notify/__init__.py and add 'from .log_handler import PublishErrorsHandler' to the imports | 22:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | I get confused because in my install it's the same thing | 22:55 |
| lbragstad | which I did, but it still couldn't find PublishErrorsHandler | 22:55 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad: let's move to #openstack-oslo | 22:55 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, hehe no worries, i want to make sure we've hit the corner cases in either solution | 22:55 |
| * Ryan_Lane nods | 22:55 | |
| Ryan_Lane | everything seems handle so far, from what I can see | 22:55 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, ok so as an operator of an OS deployment... do you have a strong feeling one way or another | 22:56 |
| morganfainberg | ? | 22:56 |
| Ryan_Lane | I don't think so | 22:56 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, so either <id>@@<domain> or UUID both would be acceptable | 22:57 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, assuming we solve the persistence issue(s) etc internaly. | 22:57 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, for the latter case. | 22:57 |
| Ryan_Lane | yep | 22:57 |
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| Ryan_Lane | neither actually affect me | 22:57 |
| Ryan_Lane | *my use case | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, ok awesome. thanks for your imput :) | 22:58 |
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| Ryan_Lane | yw | 22:58 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, also i'll make sure to get us to look at a possible backport for H that makes V3 tokens not need to be reconstructed | 22:58 |
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| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, /I | 22:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | heh. cool. I'm not sure we have plans to move to 3 any time soon, but that would be helpful | 22:58 |
| morganfainberg | Ryan_Lane, absotelutely | 22:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | I do like moving off older APIs sooner than later | 22:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | so that I'm not rushed to do it | 22:59 |
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