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| lifeless | SpamapS: so git show cea32b1f86631761e170413124dbf80972234a8c in destack shows the settings to look for | 03:55 |
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| marun | lifeless: hi! how are your db chops? | 03:59 |
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| lifeless | marun: they are | 04:19 |
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| marun | lifeless: I'm wading through the different ways that Neutron removes related resources on deletion. | 04:22 |
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| marun | lifeless: sometimes there is no explicit locking, just one-by-one delete statements being issued | 04:23 |
| marun | lifeless: sometimes there is a 'select for update' on the parent | 04:23 |
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| marun | lifeless: sometimes there is cascade deletion | 04:23 |
| marun | lifeless: I don't really understand how the first one could ever be safe. | 04:24 |
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| marun | lifeless: since there could presumably be a race between when rows are selected for deletion and when the first deletion occurs | 04:25 |
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| marun | 'select for update' is causing deadlocking under load | 04:26 |
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| marun | lifeless: I'm curious as to whether you've encountered anything similar in tripleo | 04:27 |
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| lifeless | marun: well you're deleting things right ? are you worried about orphaned records? | 04:31 |
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| marun | lifeless: I think that's the concern, yes. | 04:31 |
| lifeless | marun: the exact semantics will depend on isolation level + db engine | 04:31 |
| marun | lifeless: innodb, default isolation (consistent read?) | 04:32 |
| lifeless | marun: but, doing per item deletes in python is defintely not safe | 04:32 |
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| marun | lifeless: And the alternative, doing 'select for update'? | 04:32 |
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| lifeless | marun: so delete from $table where fk=$id; should be safe as long as there's a transaction open, because attempts to insert will block on the gap lock on the fk | 04:32 |
| lifeless | select for update on the same query should be fine, though I'm not a mysql expert. generally though, I'd always configure cascade delete for related records | 04:33 |
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| marun | lifeless: what do you think about constraint logic in code vs triggers? | 04:33 |
| marun | lifeless: clearly there's a cost to using triggers, since they'd have to be supported for every backend | 04:34 |
| lifeless | marun: personal opinion, db triggers are devil spawn. | 04:34 |
| marun | fair enough | 04:34 |
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| marun | lifeless: I've been struggling with the logic behind some of what we have to do to replace db-side triggers, but using triggers is likely something only a one-db app could consider. | 04:35 |
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| marun | lifeless: In Neutron there seems to be contention between extensibility and db sanity. | 04:36 |
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| lifeless | marun: can you enlarge on tht? | 04:41 |
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| marun | lifeless: there are base classes whose methods interact with the db, and subclasses whose implementations may or may not be consistent with the model expected by the base class | 04:43 |
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| marun | lifeless: no 'right way to do it' seemingly | 04:43 |
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| lifeless | marun: hmmm will get back to you in sec | 04:49 |
| marun | lifeless: no worries | 04:49 |
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| jd__ | sdague: just FYI, I hope you realize that we've been trying to gate Ceilometer on MongoDB since September (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45896/) but have been blocked by libvirt/nova since then | 13:07 |
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| sdague | jd__: nothing else in openstack requires UCA | 13:09 |
| sdague | what are the issues with mongo 2.0.4 that make it impossible for ceilometer to support? | 13:10 |
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| dims | jd__, sdague i sent a summary of libvirt status to the mailing list - http://markmail.org/message/wsnegxxxcv6fb5vy | 13:13 |
| sdague | dims: yep, I saw that | 13:14 |
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| dims | thx sdague | 13:14 |
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| jd__ | sdague: we use feature that are not available in MongoDB <= 2.1 for a long time, I think we are now requiring 2.2 at least | 13:19 |
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| sdague | jd__: and there is no way to have a feature degraded version which uses the old stack? I get adding features for new versions, but the fact is right now it means there is no coverage | 13:23 |
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| jd__ | sdague: that may be possible to do, though we would honestly prefer not to spend time on that… | 13:26 |
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| jd__ | like I'm not even sure who's going to step in to do that at this point | 13:27 |
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| sdague | jd__: if that's the reality, that's the reality. It's just unfortunate that ceilometer is 2 releases in and it's participation in the gate is so minimal. | 13:44 |
| sdague | from an outside perspective it seems like shoring that up would be more important than any feature development | 13:45 |
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| jd__ | agreed, but it's not like we're not trying | 13:45 |
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| jd__ | sdague: agreed, my main problem is that I've no control on what code people write :) | 13:45 |
| sdague | jd__: no, but you could -2 everythign that's not this, until it gets done | 13:46 |
| sdague | :) | 13:46 |
| jd__ | sdague: yeah but I don't think it will have the desired effect :) | 13:46 |
| sdague | maybe. when no one can merge code, they tend to work on the reason behind it | 13:47 |
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| jd__ | sdague: hmm I'm not under the impression that worked that well for Neutron for example | 13:51 |
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| sdague | actually, realistically when markmcclain puts his foot down on people not working on other things tends to be when neutron makes real progress on the core issues | 13:52 |
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| agordeev | sdague: good morning! quick question. If devstack uses "recreation everything on stack.sh run" approach should kernel&ramdisk be rebuilt by DIB on every run for ironic deploy? | 14:14 |
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| sdague | agordeev: probably, though if it's always the same, you might want to do a caching system like we do with prereqs | 14:14 |
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| csd | Hi, I was looking at this wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NotificationSystem | 16:08 |
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| csd | which talks about making nova notifications available using pubsubhubbub but I see no indication that any one that has been worked on since. | 16:08 |
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| csd | does anyone know if something has happened on that front that I missed or whether just that doc describing it is all there is? | 16:09 |
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| harlowja | russellb np, hope its useful toolset for u :) | 16:54 |
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| russellb | harlowja: yep, qgerrit is handy | 17:04 |
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| harlowja | lifeless ohhh, u finally got the marconi thread started (grabs popcorn) | 21:44 |
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| lifeless | harlowja: yeah :) | 21:51 |
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| harlowja | lifeless cool, read it over, looking forward to seeing what comes out of that (same questions that i have really) | 22:02 |
| lifeless | harlowja: indeed! | 22:03 |
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| clarkb | zzelle: finally reviewed the git review https support change | 22:46 |
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| clarkb | zzelle: I found one set of potential problems with process return codes and the erst of the stuff is more minor | 22:46 |
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| zzelle | clarkb, hi | 22:47 |
| zzelle | clarkb, thanks for your feedback | 22:47 |
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| zzelle | clarkb, i will integrate them asap | 22:50 |
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| zzelle | clarkb, i could replace res.status_code by (res.status_code - 299) % 255 +1 which for 3XX, 4XX and 5XX returns res.status - 300 | 22:55 |
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| zzelle | - 301 no - 299 | 22:56 |
| zzelle | - 301 not - 299 | 22:56 |
| clarkb | zzelle: yeah something like that should work. | 22:57 |
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