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| tchaypo | Is the distinction between a "project" and a "program" defined on the website anywhere? | 04:55 |
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| tchaypo | The front page has a link that says "projects" that goes to http://www.openstack.org/projects/ which redirects to http://www.openstack.org/software/ - but that page lists "compute" and "storage" and "networking" and so on, and I thought they were programs rather than projects | 04:57 |
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| clarkb | tchaypo: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs | 04:57 |
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| tchaypo | I just tried to use the feedback form on http://www.openstack.org/software/. I typed lots of things and then hit submit, and it just told me that "Oops! It doesn't look like you provided any feedback. Please check the form and try again." | 04:59 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: I can get you a link to the bug tracker :) | 04:59 |
| tchaypo | so if anyone has been wondering why we haven't been getting any feedback, that's probably why. I'd probably provide feedback to let someone know, but.. | 04:59 |
| clarkb | if I can find it... | 04:59 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: which project is the website? | 04:59 |
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| clarkb | tchaypo: it is unfortunately not | 05:00 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: it isn't open | 05:00 |
| clarkb | aiui | 05:00 |
| tchaypo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs talks about what programs are, then explains the project that new projects can follow to become integrated | 05:00 |
| tchaypo | it does *not* say that projects != programs | 05:00 |
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| clarkb | tchaypo: https://launchpad.net/openstack-community I believe if you file bugs against the website there they will be tracked and addressed | 05:01 |
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| tchaypo | It then has a list of programs, where there's a one-to-one mapping between the things that I know are programs (compute) and the things that I know are projects (nova) 0 - with, still, no distinction between the two, and a very clear implication that each program is equivalent to one particular project | 05:02 |
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| * tchaypo will put this in a mail later | 05:02 | |
| clarkb | tchaypo: take a deep breath :) | 05:02 |
| tchaypo | that's what lifeless said :) | 05:03 |
| clarkb | infra and docs are listed there too and there isn't a 1:1 there | 05:03 |
| tchaypo | (he's in the room with me) | 05:03 |
| clarkb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/programs.yaml is the official list of programs apparently | 05:03 |
| clarkb | programs have a one to many relationship with repos/projects that accomplish the mission of the thing | 05:04 |
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| clarkb | so if we take nova as your example it doesn't today have much more than nova and its client, but there is talk of a complementary container api thing and gantt as a scheduler | 05:05 |
| clarkb | those would both fit under the make compute scale umbrella | 05:05 |
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| clarkb | seems like there was a really log mail thread on this stuff back when programs became a thing | 05:05 |
| clarkb | probably need to distill mroe of that and wikify it | 05:05 |
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| clarkb | apparently these were a mordred idea (looking back at history is fun, and that was a long time ago) | 05:07 |
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| clarkb | tchaypo: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010821.html | 05:08 |
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| tchaypo | clarkb: i agree with you about the one to many relationship, i just don't think it's clear on the website :) | 05:20 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: yup I would agree with that | 05:21 |
| clarkb | unfortunately the website isn't something we can fix directly | 05:21 |
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| tchaypo | clarkb: I'm getting worried now | 05:24 |
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| tchaypo | the conversation between us here is mirroring the conversation between me/lifeless/stevenk IRL :) | 05:25 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: I think the working all night on my side of hte planet makes me think like I am upside down | 05:25 |
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| tchaypo | clarkb: so don't do that then? | 05:31 |
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| jichen | hi, can anyone help me on gerrit log on, git review always told me network unreachable | 05:38 |
| jichen | [jichen@oc8523503027 nova]$ ssh -p 29418 jichenjc@review.openstack.org | 05:39 |
| jichen | ssh: connect to host review.openstack.org port 29418: Network is unreachable | 05:39 |
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| StevenK | jichen: Firewall in the way? | 05:39 |
| jichen | it works for at least 1 year | 05:39 |
| StevenK | steven@vanquished:~% nc -vz review.openstack.org 29418 | 05:39 |
| StevenK | Connection to review.openstack.org 29418 port [tcp/*] succeeded! | 05:39 |
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| jichen | I tried another PC in our company | 05:40 |
| jichen | got same result .. | 05:40 |
| jichen | I want to know whether there are possibility the public key expires ... | 05:40 |
| fifieldt | jichen, if you think the key might be the issue, maybe you could try making a new one temporarily (you can have multiple keys on https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/ssh-keys ) | 05:41 |
| StevenK | jichen: That isn't a key issue, that's a "I can't even connect issue" | 05:42 |
| fifieldt | jichen, if the key is wrong, it should look like this: | 05:42 |
| fifieldt | fifieldt@usagi:~$ ssh -p 29418 jichenjc@review.openstack.org | 05:42 |
| fifieldt | Permission denied (publickey). | 05:42 |
| fifieldt | I just saw your error | 05:43 |
| fifieldt | I agree with StevenK - this is a network problem | 05:43 |
| jichen | ok, got it ,thanks a lot , I did close the firewall this morning... not sure what's going on there.. | 05:43 |
| jichen | ok thanks for your kindly help, I will query our IT folks and see whether I can do | 05:43 |
| jichen | thanks a lot~ | 05:43 |
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| gordc | Alexei_987: do you want to give this patch a try still (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111990)? i think it's ok with a small tweak. | 13:54 |
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| Alexei_987 | gordc: Hi I think it's worth giving a try | 13:55 |
| Alexei_987 | I'll update it today/tomorrow | 13:55 |
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| gordc | Alexei_987: awesome! thanks dude. | 13:55 |
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| vkmc | if somebody in the docs team have a moment, I'd appreciate your feedback on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114530/ | 14:35 |
| vkmc | annegentle, ^ | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | hey vkmc we automatically make those tables, is that an option for zaqar? I hate to see you doing maintenance by hand esp. for the new, updated, deprected | 14:38 |
| annegentle | vkmc: the openstack-doc-tools repo has the tools to make those | 14:38 |
| vkmc | annegentle, oh great to know :) | 14:39 |
| vkmc | annegentle, I'll take a look at those then! | 14:39 |
| vkmc | thanks | 14:39 |
| vkmc | I think it's an option for Zaqar | 14:39 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, my devstack is failing because of error log pasted here http://paste.openstack.org/show/98782/ can somebody provide some information | 15:22 |
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| andrewbogott | I'm baffled by the fact that user_tree_dn appears in config.py and in tests but nowhere else in keystone code. Am I missing some subtle indirect reference to this flag? Or misunderstanding how config options work entirely? | 16:13 |
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| bknudson | andrewbogott: it is indirect | 16:39 |
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| andrewbogott | bknudson: tell me more! For starters I just want to see where it's referenced, which, grepping is no help. | 16:39 |
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| bknudson | andrewbogott: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/identity/backends/ldap.py#n199 | 16:40 |
| bknudson | andrewbogott: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/ldap/core.py#n1120 | 16:41 |
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| bknudson | andrewbogott: and here's where it does a get() for example -- http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/ldap/core.py#n1426 | 16:41 |
| andrewbogott | so someplace 'tree-dn' is appended onto options_name, I take it? | 16:42 |
| andrewbogott | um… tree_dn | 16:42 |
| bknudson | andrewbogott: y, that's ldap/core.py line 1120 | 16:42 |
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| andrewbogott | Ahhhhh | 16:43 |
| bknudson | self.tree_dn = (getattr(conf.ldap, dn) | 16:43 |
| bknudson | where dn is dn = '%s_tree_dn' % self.options_name | 16:43 |
| bknudson | where self.options_name is 'user' in the case of UserApi | 16:43 |
| andrewbogott | man, I kind of hate that. But, ok, that gets me unstuck, thank you! | 16:43 |
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| bknudson | andrewbogott: think of all the duplication it saved! | 16:44 |
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| andrewbogott | In case you are an expert in this area… my issue is that (for obscure reasons) I have two diferent sets of user records under two different dns. | 16:44 |
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| andrewbogott | So my first thought is to change user_tree_dn to take multiple values. But I welcome a solution that doesn't involve actually changing the code :) | 16:45 |
| bknudson | andrewbogott: I think you'd have to use the multi-backend support | 16:45 |
| andrewbogott | OK, so I could have multiple backends that are really the same ldap db just with different configs? | 16:45 |
| bknudson | andrewbogott: yes | 16:45 |
| bknudson | andrewbogott: there are tests for it... http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/config_files | 16:46 |
| bknudson | see keystone.domain1.conf, keystone.domain2.conf | 16:46 |
| andrewbogott | Cool, that may get me what I need… thank you! | 16:46 |
| bknudson | I'd be interested to know how it works. | 16:47 |
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| bknudson | it was reimplemented in juno | 16:47 |
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| andrewbogott | Ah -- I'm running Havana on production now. Unlikely to work until I upgrade? | 16:47 |
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| bknudson | andrewbogott: the feature didn't work in havana... it was experimental and the experiment failed. | 16:48 |
| andrewbogott | crap | 16:49 |
| andrewbogott | Well, I need to upgrade anyway :) | 16:50 |
| andrewbogott | I'll just set things up in devstack first. | 16:50 |
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| IanGovett | I just pulled down the latest devstack code from git using 'git pull origin master', but I'm now having problems starting devstack. I get a message: ERROR: cliff.app create() got an unexpected keyword argument 'force' . Any thoughts on how to fix this ? | 17:42 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: there ? | 18:10 |
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| IanGovett | would it be better if I pulled from one of the stable releases instead of trying to use master ? | 18:13 |
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| leakypipes | zaneb: what is this Convergence of which you speak? do you have a wiki or etherpad about it I can read? | 19:50 |
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| ryansb | leakypipes: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/specs/convergence.html | 19:51 |
| ryansb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/convergence | 19:51 |
| leakypipes | ryansb: ty sir! | 19:51 |
| ryansb | leakypipes: also in the launchpad BP there's gerrit links and such | 19:52 |
| ryansb | you should be able to hit everything from there, plus the whiteboard pics in zaneb's email | 19:52 |
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| zaneb | leakypipes: yeah, what ryansb said :) | 19:53 |
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| ryansb | zaneb: that email also serves as the official announcement of Marc^WZaqar's name change. ;) | 19:53 |
| zaneb | leakypipes: also https://review.openstack.org/96404 and https://review.openstack.org/100012 | 19:54 |
| zaneb | ryansb: lol | 19:54 |
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| leakypipes | zaneb: question.. was mistral discussed at the mid-cycle w.r.t. the distributed convergence task scheduler? | 20:12 |
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| zaneb | leakypipes: no. I'd say that's even less needed than TaskFlow in terms of internal implementation details | 20:13 |
| zaneb | leakypipes: Mistral is primarily a user-facing service IMO | 20:13 |
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| leakypipes | zaneb: I was asking whether it was discussed, not whether it was an appropriate solution | 20:15 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: good morning | 20:16 |
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| zzzeek | hey | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | leakypipes: it was discussed in the context of a user-facing thing, but in the context of convergence it didn't come up | 20:16 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: if a test uses ResourcedTestCase, and does not use OptimisingTestSuite, will it do a full teardown of the TestResourceManager on every teardown? or does it still attempt to keep TestResourceMananger going without tearing it down between tests ? | 20:18 |
| leakypipes | zaneb: so, from what I can tell from your email, it looks like Zaqar was chosen as the infrastructure solution to provide a notification service for Convergence, yes? And that the Heat team is going to reinvent a distributed task scheduling service and not use Taskflow for anything yes? | 20:19 |
| zaneb | leakypipes: no, oslo.messaging was (tentatively) chosen | 20:20 |
| zaneb | and we don't think that there is any scheduling to do | 20:20 |
| zaneb | we drop some tasks on a queue | 20:20 |
| zaneb | something picks them up | 20:20 |
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| zaneb | those tasks might drop other tasks on the queue | 20:21 |
| zaneb | that's it | 20:21 |
| zaneb | and btw we don't really care if any of those tasks meet an untimely death | 20:23 |
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| zaneb | s/if/when/ | 20:24 |
| leakypipes | zaneb: ah, I see you say Zaqar is critical for every *non*-Convergence thing... sorry, missed that! | 20:24 |
| JayF | Does anyone know when talk selections for Openstack Summit in Paris are supposed to be finalized? | 20:24 |
| zaneb | leakypipes: no worries ;) | 20:25 |
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| zaneb | JayF: no, but I do know there were 1130 proposals. so whatever time frame you were thinking, double it | 20:27 |
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| JayF | null*2 == null | 20:27 |
| JayF | lol | 20:27 |
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| lifeless | zzzeek: it degrades in the absensce of OTS to full setup and teardown | 20:31 |
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| lifeless | zzzeek: we could make it optionally error rather than degrading if that was important | 20:32 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: its not that important, just would be nice if, given five tests in a row with the same requirements, it could “see” that and just keep the resource open. but as you can see im more concerned about load_tests() hooks, if everoyne is cool with those, then great | 20:38 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: also, are we generally looking at OptimisedTestSuite per -module? is it feasible to stretch a single OTS across multi modules ? | 20:39 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: e.g. I can make an oslo.db util to do that. but does the end result look right | 20:39 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: I’ve always avoided suite tricks and all that as I always used nose and later py.test | 20:40 |
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| lifeless | zzzeek: so the pattern here is to use one OTS wrapping the full test suite, which will then do a global optimisation pass per worker | 20:42 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: ok and how is that achived | 20:43 |
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| lifeless | zzzeek: I'll work up a reference patch for you; I just grepped and te current use in OpenStack is all constrainted to a single module; there is a bug in Python itself that prevents doing this as cleanly as one would like | 20:44 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: OK | 20:44 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: I should have that for you today | 20:44 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: thanks. will nova/neutron/keystone/etc. folks be OK with it? | 20:45 |
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| lifeless | zzzeek: let me check my context here: we want this to apply to nova when they upgrade their oslo.db environment right? | 20:45 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: nova is porting to oslo.db now. we have a DbTestCase class that I’d like them to migrate towards, which provides per-test database connectivity | 20:46 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: this woudl replace all their various ad-hoc connectivity systems and allow their tests to run against multipel backends | 20:46 |
| lifeless | so we'll multiply some set of their tests, the ones they want to run against N backends | 20:47 |
| lifeless | and we'll JIT create DB's for them | 20:47 |
| zzzeek | on DbTestCase, you can just say “backends = ‘all’”, something like that, and it will iterate thorugh all database backends known to be available, and it will also provide a session that is open in a “rollback” container | 20:47 |
| lifeless | and it needs to be fast | 20:47 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: yes and also, it cerates the schema as few times as possible, many tests running against the same schema in serial | 20:47 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: so each process in parallel env. has a different database. | 20:48 |
| lifeless | yup | 20:48 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: i can see ways to make testresources do this, i might make three separate “Resources”: database, schema, and transaction | 20:48 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: something like taht | 20:48 |
| lifeless | server and schema should be enough - but you've thought about this in the openstack context more than me | 20:49 |
| lifeless | I need to go breakfast | 20:49 |
| lifeless | then walk over to where i"m meeting today (a good 20m walk) | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: you might be right. but i just need to make sure it will work in the big picture before i delve into it | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: my day is almost over so, talk to you later :) | 20:49 |
| lifeless | do you leave your irc clicent idling? | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: i try to unless the cat closes my laptop | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | :) | 20:49 |
| lifeless | if so I'll ping you here when I've got a reference patch for you | 20:49 |
| zzzeek | ok great | 20:50 |
| zzzeek | thanks for the help | 20:50 |
| lifeless | will everyone be copacetic with it? I'm sure they won't, but once we find out the concerns we can fix them | 20:50 |
| lifeless | I suspect them to be niggles/corner cases to address not wholesale approach issues | 20:50 |
| lifeless | e.g. 'I need to be able to test like XXX, how do I do it once this comes in' | 20:51 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: one thing - are you expecting folk to subclass DbTestCase? Is it possible to avoid that (and instead have the DB glue as a resource/or/fixture ? | 20:51 |
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| zzzeek | lifeless: there is a fixture in fact, the existing oslo.db has a test class that makes use of a certain fixture. So just the fixture by itself can be used. I had some of the directives for how the test should run on the test class itself but that can be local to the fixture too. when you use DbTestCase you dont have to set the fixture up, you just use self.engine/self.session. seems more convenient | 20:53 |
| zzzeek | but yes it uses a fixture to do it | 20:53 |
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| lifeless | ok, so a ResourceFixture wrapper might get that convenience without needing to affect test hierarchies, cool | 20:55 |
| lifeless | righto, leave the wiring up with me | 20:55 |
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| jogo | jgriffith: ping https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111967 | 22:45 |
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