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| mwhudson | i've had jenkins test my review twice and hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1379201 both times noe | 00:17 |
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| mwhudson | *now | 00:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379201 in openvswitch "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 1.4.6-0ubuntu1.12.04.3: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [error: too many arguments to function ‘ip_select_ident’]" [Medium,In progress] | 00:17 |
| mwhudson | i guess there's no real point in getting it to recheck again? | 00:17 |
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| zilberstein | hello #openstack-dev | 13:40 |
| zilberstein | Neutron raises CRITICAL exception on start: http://pastie.org/9643976 | 13:40 |
| zilberstein | and I cannot understand the reason | 13:40 |
| zilberstein | Can anybody throw a hint ? | 13:40 |
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| baoli | dtroyer: ping, RE: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124467/. Could you please take a look at it when you have a chance? Thanks. | 14:00 |
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| baoli | ianw: ping, Re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124502/ | 14:01 |
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| chmouel | nice: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2014-October/136676.html (SSL certification on by default approved for py27) | 14:24 |
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| prometheanfire | should tox be required to test tox? this seems loopish | 14:47 |
| prometheanfire | it seems to be needed in order to generate some xml files | 14:47 |
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| zilberstein | anybody alive ? | 16:35 |
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| clarkb | prometheanfire: I am not sure I understand the question. We don't test tox. We consume it as a tool | 16:39 |
| clarkb | prometheanfire: However I think tox does use itself to test tox upstream | 16:40 |
| prometheanfire | ah, for some reason I though tox was an openstack invention | 16:40 |
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| clarkb | it is not | 16:41 |
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| prometheanfire | thanks :D | 16:44 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: requirements are unfrozen, right? | 17:02 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: yup | 17:05 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: ok, thanks | 17:05 |
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| dims | dhellmann: the suds-jurko stuff, we'd want that only for python3, we would still use suds under python 2.x...would that work? | 17:12 |
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| dims | dhellmann: and over a period of time get rid of suds | 17:13 |
| dhellmann | dims: I'm not sure how well we're going to be able to handle the dependencies for that. Will suds-jurko not work under python 2? | 17:13 |
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| dims | dhellmann: it should, so you would recommend a complete switch? | 17:13 |
| dhellmann | dims: having different dependencies for py2 and py3 means complexity for building wheels for the libs :-/ | 17:13 |
| dhellmann | dims: yeah, I'd like to see us transition if that doesn't introduce other behavior changes | 17:14 |
| dims | dhellmann: k. i was thinking of a slow switch, hence if you see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122287/ i made sure that tests work with py2+suds and py3+suds-jurko | 17:15 |
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| dims | dhellmann: will bring it up with others on the vmware/nova call | 17:15 |
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| dhellmann | dims: yeah, that may be a good first step, but I'd like to get them synced up quickly if we can | 17:18 |
| dhellmann | dims: how often does that call happen? are the notes logged somewhere? | 17:19 |
| dims | dhellmann: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI | 17:19 |
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| dims | logs on eavesdrop | 17:19 |
| dhellmann | dims: oh, you said "call" and I took that literally :-) | 17:20 |
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| dims | ah sorry :) | 17:21 |
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| marun | zzzeek: When you have a moment, I have a use case for alembic that may border on craycray that I would appreciate your feedback on. | 18:19 |
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| zzzeek | ok | 18:20 |
| zzzeek | one sec | 18:20 |
| marun | ok | 18:20 |
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| earnThis | Hey guys, sorry for the very "101" question but I was getting nothing from -101. Anyway, if i have a few isilion servers and I want to deploy openstack, do I need to first install a hypervisor (VMware possibly) onto those servers and then an openstack supported OS or can I deploy directly from the hyperviser? | 18:21 |
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| jedimike | earnThis, http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/apt/content/ is a great starting point, it's a step by step guide to installing on top of ubuntu | 18:23 |
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| marun | zzzeek: Would you prefer that I ask my question via email on one of the lists? | 19:36 |
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| zzzeek | hey marun , you still there ? | 20:55 |
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| marun | zzzeek: still here | 21:01 |
| zzzeek | what was your q | 21:01 |
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| marun | zzzeek: I'm investigating the possibility of putting neutron plugins into a separate repo | 21:02 |
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| zzzeek | yes | 21:02 |
| marun | zzzeek: probably the biggest stumbling block is how plugins can share a data model if they aren't in the same repo | 21:02 |
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| zzzeek | they would import it as Python objects, and if each one has its own migration stream would use its own MetaData | 21:03 |
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| marun | I can imagine either needing separate migration timelines (one for core neutron, then one for each plugin) | 21:03 |
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| zzzeek | marun: I was just talking to someone about this the other day , that wasn’t you? | 21:04 |
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| marun | zzzeek: I don't think so, but maybe. Was there any context? | 21:04 |
| zzzeek | marun: also its on the mailing list. I’ve been remarking that it sounds like you want separate migration timelines | 21:04 |
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| zzzeek | marun: they were then discussing should these plugins have separate alembic_version tables by name or by schema and i think they were looking into by schema | 21:05 |
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| marun | zzzeek: ah, ok. I don't think was me. | 21:05 |
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| marun | zzzeek: Is it possible to have separate migration timelines today? | 21:05 |
| zzzeek | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047800.html | 21:05 |
| zzzeek | marun: yes | 21:06 |
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| marun | zzzeek: awesome. | 21:06 |
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| marun | zzzeek: That seems almost too easy. I was worried it was going to be complicated and/or unsupported. | 21:07 |
| zzzeek | marun: im just not following why there isnt a single strategy for plugins being worked out somewhere | 21:07 |
| marun | zzzeek: single strategy for all of openstack you mean? | 21:07 |
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| zzzeek | marun: well juhst for neutron at the moment | 21:07 |
| marun | zzzeek: we don't actually have buy-in on splitting things out. | 21:07 |
| zzzeek | marun: because i feel like ive had three separate conversations about this now and im not sure why there isn’t coordination | 21:07 |
| marun | zzzeek: hmmm, that is a bad sign. | 21:08 |
| marun | zzzeek: do you remember who else from Neutron was asking so I can circle back to them? | 21:08 |
| zzzeek | marun: the therad I just linked you towards is discussing the same concept | 21:08 |
| zzzeek | “although the | 21:09 |
| zzzeek | service is effectively a Neutron extension, we should avoid breaking | 21:09 |
| zzzeek | Neutron's migration chain by adding our model on top of it (and | 21:09 |
| zzzeek | subsequently changing Neutron's HEAD [3]).” | 21:09 |
| marun | zzzeek: ah, policy... | 21:09 |
| marun | zzzeek: that's an entirely separate debate | 21:09 |
| marun | zzzeek: they're trying to do something that we don't want in tree, yet. | 21:09 |
| zzzeek | marun: OK but its the same question. “neutron extension” + “Using the same DB with separate chain (and different alembic version table).” | 21:10 |
| marun | zzzeek: it most definitely is the same question, yes. | 21:10 |
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| marun | zzzeek: Given how much latitude we give plugins, I think it's hard for us to be opinionated in how they should manage their data. | 21:11 |
| marun | zzzeek: some plugins don't even want local data. | 21:11 |
| marun | zzzeek: That said, I'm hoping to have guidelines in place rather than having everyone go at it themselves. | 21:12 |
| zzzeek | marun: anyway for alembic, having an alternate alembic verrsion table is most straightforward | 21:15 |
| zzzeek | marun: in taht thread, they’re getting into using shcemas, that is optional | 21:15 |
| marun | zzzeek: I think for a first-pass using a different table is preferable | 21:15 |
| marun | zzzeek: from the thread, that's configurable in the alembic conf? | 21:16 |
| zzzeek | marun: the table is configured in env.py, and the env.py that gets used is from alembic.conf, dependending on how you are invoking alembic | 21:16 |
| zzzeek | marun: so this is differnet env.py, different version directory, etc. | 21:16 |
| zzzeek | marun: if youre in your own source tree then that’s easy | 21:17 |
| zzzeek | e.g. you have your own alembic.conf and are not sharing one | 21:17 |
| marun | zzzeek: I think that would make sense | 21:17 |
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| zzzeek | marun: multiple environments can share one alembic.conf as well | 21:17 |
| marun | zzzeek: there would have to be 2 separate migration steps I'm guessing. | 21:17 |
| marun | zzzeek: one for core neutron (shared stuff) and one per-plugin | 21:18 |
| zzzeek | marun: with this approach yes, the alembic upgrade is totally its own thing | 21:18 |
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| emagana | In CentOS 6.5 ifconfig -a does not show my OVS bridges, is that normal? | 21:21 |
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| emagana | Any CentOS/RedHat expert around? :-) | 21:21 |
| marun | zzzeek: great. Thanks for your help! :) | 21:22 |
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| zzzeek | marun: yup | 21:22 |
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| mwhudson | emagana: i'm not at all an rh person, but in general the 'ip' command is more useful than ifconfig | 21:26 |
| mwhudson | emagana: does 'ip link' show them? | 21:26 |
| mwhudson | (i can't remember if it should, though) | 21:26 |
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| emagana | mwhudson: Nope, ip does not show them | 21:33 |
| emagana | mwhudson: This is why I have an issue :-) | 21:34 |
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