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| ZZelle | Hi everyone | 15:01 |
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| ZZelle | What is the correct way to parse hex/octal values in oslo.config Opt? | 15:01 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151118/ looks like a requirement that should bump | 15:46 |
| sdague | it's minor bump, and makes one of the libs have eventlet support | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | sdague: agreed, +2a | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | ZZelle: I'm not sure we have an option type for hex values. What's your use case? | 15:48 |
| ZZelle | dhellmann, my usecase is to allow to specify a file permission through an option | 15:48 |
| ZZelle | dhellmann, currently, it seems i have 2 options; use an IntOpt or a StrOpt | 15:49 |
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| ZZelle | IntOpt disallows 0o644 use, StrOpt requires manual parsing | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | ZZelle: a file permission? | 15:49 |
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| ZZelle | dhellmann, for os.chmod() | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | ZZelle: what file | 15:50 |
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| ZZelle | dhellmann, neutron metadata proxy socket as we need to degrade socket security when we change metadata proxy user/group to nobody | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | ZZelle: do the permissions really need to be configurable on that? | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | ownership and group I can see, I'm not sure about permissions | 15:52 |
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| ZZelle | dhellmann, we need 2 services to open/connect to it with different user/groups | 15:53 |
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| dhellmann | ok, well, the permissions to do that won't change, right? | 15:54 |
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| dhellmann | I mean, you'll always have to make it world-writable in order for users who don't share a group to both write to it | 15:54 |
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| ZZelle | dhellmann, it depends how it's configured ==> https://review.openstack.org/165115 (in DocImpact section) | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | in any case, you can do int(val, 8) to convert an octal string to an integer | 15:55 |
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| sdague | ZZelle: in fairness, why is that configurable? That seems like openning up for lots of failures by people setting it incorrectly | 15:58 |
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| sdague | isn't there a more semantic description of what needs to happen | 15:58 |
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| ZZelle | sdague, honestly for the moment, i know how i will use it but i am not sure how others will | 16:00 |
| * ZZelle waiting for feedbacks :) | 16:00 | |
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| moijes12 | hello. My installation of devstack is failing because when I run ./stack.sh, I get the below error "No distributions matching the version for SQLAlchemy<=0.8.99,<=0.9.99,>=0.8.4,>=0.9.7 (from keystone==2014.2.dev28)" . I tried removing the /usr/lib/python2.7/distpackages and retrying, but it didn't work. Please help | 16:20 |
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| mfedosin | jogo, hi sir! it's Mike from glance. recently I found out that almost all versions in reqs for stable/juno are strict. for example, kombu==3.0.7 and in master it's kombu>=2.5.0. what was the point to do that? | 17:19 |
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| mfedosin | and there is a commit for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147451 | 17:19 |
| jogo | mfedosin: Iaf48bb069fdd7a19d614ce44b86abd9977c5f0c0 | 17:20 |
| jogo | mfedosin: hopefully the commit message should explain things | 17:20 |
| jogo | mfedosin: but in short, we don't want lib versions used on stable branches moving out from under us | 17:21 |
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| mfedosin | jogo, ah, okay, I see. and there is no problem if I want to use kombu==3.0.16 in my devstack | 17:24 |
| mfedosin | thank you sir! | 17:24 |
| jogo | mfedosin: no, and you can bump the versions on stable/juno as well | 17:25 |
| jogo | mfedosin: main difference is its not done automatically now | 17:25 |
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| mfedosin | it's great :) | 17:27 |
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| jgriffith | clayg: the udev settle isn't a bad idea | 17:48 |
| jgriffith | clayg: I'm doing that in some other places... perhaps I'll test just adding it before every vgs/lvs call | 17:48 |
| jgriffith | clayg: let ya know how it goes... ideally tough I'd love to figure out how to get lvmetad working on Ubuntu | 17:48 |
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| vhosakot | After I run DevStack’s ./stack.sh, I see “lots and lots” of neutron and nova processes. Has anyone see this issue ? These processes are slowing the CPU. I’ve attached the processes (output of ps) here - http://paste.openstack.org/show/192944/ | 17:49 |
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| clayg | jgriffith: i honestly have no experience with lvmetad - but I do have some experience with lvm global filters - i'm sure there's a reasonable avenue to adopt a convention there to limit the lvm scans that cinder does to only cinder devices | 18:27 |
| jgriffith | clayg: yeah, lvmetad is new to me as well :( | 18:27 |
| jgriffith | clayg: FWIW the global filter seems to be the only thing that works on Ubuntu at the moment | 18:27 |
| jgriffith | clayg: the udev settle was a promising idea, but alas... no joy :( | 18:28 |
| clayg | oh... bummer :\ | 18:28 |
| clayg | i got the feeling I didn't really understand the problem that well from your email | 18:28 |
| clayg | which devices are being deleted? are they cinder volumes? | 18:28 |
| jgriffith | clayg: at least you responded :) | 18:28 |
| jgriffith | clayg: nahh... so what happens is somethign like this: | 18:28 |
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| jgriffith | when Nova is doing it's "things" there are /dev/sdX devices that get created and deleted | 18:29 |
| jgriffith | clayg: by default lvs and vgs will try and poke at ANY possible device that might have LVM on it | 18:29 |
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| jgriffith | clayg: that's how it manages to do it's magic... Hey.. there's a block device, lemme open it and see if any of my stuff is there | 18:30 |
| jgriffith | clayg: that's all well and good, unless you hit some timing where the device is added, then removed and no longer valid | 18:30 |
| clayg | right | 18:30 |
| jgriffith | clayg: honestly, I haven't pegged "Exactly" who/where the dev files come from | 18:31 |
| jgriffith | clayg: I just have strace's of them causing the error I noted in the email | 18:31 |
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| clayg | yeah if you have to independent actors deleting and scanning lvm there's really no non-racy way to stick in a udev settle | 18:31 |
| jgriffith | clayg: and I couldn't figure out why my filter wasn't working... then I stumbled across the differences between device filter and global_filter | 18:31 |
| jgriffith | clayg: exactly | 18:32 |
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| jgriffith | I really can't blame LVM here | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | it's a pretty tricky scenario IMO | 18:32 |
| jgriffith | clayg: but that's why they added things like filters and lvmetad | 18:32 |
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| jgriffith | to solve exactly this sort of problem | 18:32 |
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| clayg | well if you could find some way to do an ipc lock thing - and make the deleter and the scanner agree to wait on each other you could probably syncronize things | 18:33 |
| jgriffith | clayg: hehe.. yeah something simple like that would work :) | 18:33 |
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| clayg | /var/run/fucking-with-block-devices.lock | 18:34 |
| jgriffith | haha! | 18:34 |
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| notmyname | ttx: time change got me mixed up. I won't be at the cross-project meeting because of the double booking | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ttx: my status on openstack-sdk is "nothing has happened" | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | ttx: I won't be at the beginning of the project meeting today | 19:44 |
| ttx | notmyname: if you send me (or post here) a status summary, I can parrot it | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | did you see it above? ;-) | 19:45 |
| notmyname | "nothing has happened" | 19:45 |
| ttx | oh, I see now | 19:45 |
| ttx | still in the cards ? | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | I think it's less likely. mostly from a prioritization perspective than a technical one | 19:46 |
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| ttx | ok | 19:46 |
| notmyname | python-swiftclient is normally "good enough" for most employers of swift contributors that other things are prioritized | 19:47 |
| ttx | ok, will report there | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | that last part is my opinion. the facts are that nothing has happened in openstack-sdk from the swift team | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | thanks. and sorry for the time change mixup | 19:49 |
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| reed | does anybody know where it's spelled out that code and docs contributions need to be wrapped at 78 chars? | 21:05 |
| sdague | pep8 | 21:06 |
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| sdague | reed: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#maximum-line-length | 21:06 |
| reed | sdague, ah! that's why I couldn't find one in the wiki | 21:07 |
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| sdague | it's a couple of levels of nested reference at this point, because mode project HACKING.rst files reference this - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/ | 21:08 |
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| sdague | and that references pep8 | 21:08 |
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| reed | sdague, ok, it's hard to parse and definitely it's worth mentioning separately on the Documentation howto then | 21:10 |
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| reed | I thought there was already an easy anchor to point people at from documentation howto | 21:10 |
| jogo | russellb: ping | 21:11 |
| russellb | jogo: pong | 21:11 |
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| russellb | brb, grabbing free booze :) | 21:11 |
| jogo | I am interested in hearing what your concern is about moving forward without tags | 21:12 |
| jogo | russellb: enjoy :) | 21:12 |
| sdague | no, this has been highly normalized at this point. I'm pro duplication here, though I'm not sure where to uplift it to | 21:12 |
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| jogo | sdague: it is, its in pep8 | 21:12 |
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| jogo | its step 1 and 2 | 21:13 |
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| russellb | jogo: i like tags, i want to see them move faster | 21:14 |
| russellb | i need to do a better job of capturing the risks i'm worried about | 21:15 |
| jogo | russellb: so this is my take on it: | 21:15 |
| jogo | big tent weakens what it means to be 'part of OpenStack' in a massive way | 21:15 |
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| jogo | (which is funny because defcore) | 21:15 |
| russellb | jogo: sure, and the flip side to that was, we're going to have a really nice system of communicating more targeted bits of info (so that effectively the overall isn't weakened) | 21:16 |
| russellb | and we haven't done that part yet | 21:16 |
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| jogo | tags are the proposed counterbalance to that -- a deployer can say I only use openstack things with the following tags: ... | 21:16 |
| * russellb nods | 21:16 | |
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| russellb | i want them, and faster, including ones that are opinionated | 21:17 |
| russellb | i've come around to a base compute definition | 21:17 |
| russellb | and i think the TC has to own it, because part of it may become opinionated | 21:17 |
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| russellb | especially if we've got multiple projects competing to be the networking project, for example | 21:17 |
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| russellb | we could just including everything and say 'good luck, you figure it out' | 21:18 |
| jogo | so assuming we can't revert the big tent -- yeah that makes sense. | 21:18 |
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| russellb | i think we *could* revert it, but i don't think it's necessary | 21:18 |
| russellb | if we start approving projects, it will get much much harder to revert | 21:18 |
| russellb | (which is why i proposed a temporary freeze) | 21:18 |
| russellb | to see what support their might be at going a little further to build more confidence | 21:19 |
| russellb | and there seems to be little to no support for that :) | 21:19 |
| jogo | so I think the minimal look the TC took at projects graduating was very useful | 21:19 |
| russellb | in the old model you mean? | 21:20 |
| jogo | well I think that stems from no one wants to revert (I do though but that is just me, and I have accepted I am in the minority) | 21:20 |
| russellb | i don't want to revert either | 21:20 |
| jogo | russellb: yes, knowing there is basic integration testing, the architecture had some oversight | 21:20 |
| russellb | i think there's potential to make this something great | 21:20 |
| jogo | etc. | 21:20 |
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| russellb | but i think we're halfway implemented, and not implemented enough to actually show the full value we promised | 21:20 |
| russellb | or at least the value as i viewed it | 21:20 |
| jogo | honestly I took a look at the other 3 projects coming in | 21:20 |
| jogo | IMHO none would make it under the old model | 21:21 |
| jogo | some have fundamental issues etc. | 21:21 |
| russellb | but i think i'm in the minority as seeing the "big tent" and tags as both-or-neither | 21:21 |
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| russellb | jogo: would be nice to be far enough that our system communicates that in some way | 21:21 |
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| jogo | hmm yeah. So if we only have a big tent, the value proposition to users is pretty bad there | 21:21 |
| russellb | other than 'well the old projects still have the integrated-release' tag | 21:21 |
| jogo | so we need tags to balance it out | 21:21 |
| russellb | because if we can't figure out a way to communicate something else, have we actually made the right choice in the entire proposal? | 21:22 |
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| jogo | the theory with moving slow is we will come up with tags soon anyway ... but ? | 21:22 |
| russellb | "slow" is such an easy thing to go for ... it's like pretending we're not fully committed, but still doing things that will be crazy hard to ever undo | 21:22 |
| jogo | russellb: yeah, I am also amazed at how concerned the TC is with rubber stamping things -- when that stuff can be streamlined later | 21:22 |
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| jogo | I think it would be interesting to convert all the old graduation reqs into tags | 21:23 |
| russellb | yep | 21:23 |
| russellb | i think most people agree with that from a high level ... | 21:24 |
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| jogo | but no one has done it ... | 21:26 |
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| jogo | so if the TC ends up being responsible for a non trivial amount of tag related work | 21:27 |
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| jogo | what does the big tent thing buy us? I thought one of the goals was to get the TC out of the making subjective hard decisions business | 21:28 |
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| russellb | jogo: didn't mean to drop off, but happy hour has started in this shared office space, hard to focus now, heh | 21:36 |
| russellb | jogo: happy to talk more tomorrow/later though | 21:36 |
| russellb | jogo: thanks for sharing feedback | 21:37 |
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| jogo | russellb: have a drink for me o/ | 21:43 |
| jogo | ohh its a drinking holiday today ... almost forgot | 21:43 |
| jogo | I should work from a beergarden | 21:43 |
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| jogo | eglynn-afk: you still around? interested in hearing more about what you think of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163660/ | 22:50 |
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| clif_h | urm | 23:48 |
| aweeks | the hell | 23:48 |
| _cjones_ | rad. | 23:48 |
| clif_h | spam bot? | 23:48 |
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| lifeless | idiot. Ignored now :< | 23:48 |
| asalkeld | cheese bot | 23:48 |
| thetrav | I feel famous | 23:48 |
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| clif_h | rekt | 23:48 |
| notmyname | bah! I can't op myself anymore | 23:48 |
| notmyname | oh there | 23:48 |
| thetrav | CheeseBurga knows my name! | 23:48 |
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| _cjones_ | I can has CheeseBurga? | 23:48 |
| tchaypo | Who was complaining the other ady about this channel being too quiet? | 23:49 |
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| clif_h | haha | 23:49 |
| linuxmaniac | :-) | 23:49 |
| clif_h | we already have a suspect | 23:49 |
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| asettle | I thought i was popular in three separate channels for a second | 23:50 |
| jeblair | lifeless: you are a global irc op for openstack | 23:50 |
| notmyname | jeblair: he k-lined before I got it | 23:50 |
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