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| jogo | mestery: has open contrail CI ever worked? | 14:31 |
| jogo | sc68cal: ^ | 14:31 |
| mestery | jogo: No | 14:31 |
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| jogo | mestery: why is it even reporting then? | 14:31 |
| mestery | jogo: In fact, for 2 weeks we've been trying to get nati to fix it to get their decomp patch merged to no avail | 14:31 |
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| mestery | jogo: IT shouldn't be voting | 14:31 |
| jogo | err commenting at least | 14:31 |
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| jogo | mestery: last 200 comments from OpenContrail CI http://paste.openstack.org/show/197161/ | 14:32 |
| mestery | jogo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163218/, you can see where we're trying to get it working | 14:32 |
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| mestery | jogo: *sigh*, nati is hard to get a hold of and he's responsible for that as far as I know | 14:33 |
| jogo | mestery: ahh | 14:33 |
| jogo | mestery: just delete it :) | 14:33 |
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| mestery | jogo: lol, I've seen how that works ;) | 14:33 |
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| jogo | mestery: I have a tiny script https://github.com/jogo/lastcomment that shows me last comments by users | 14:34 |
| jogo | mestery: anyway sounds like fun | 14:34 |
| mestery | jogo: Sweet, thanks for sharing! | 14:34 |
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| jogo | its fun for stalking, here is what you have done recently: http://paste.openstack.org/show/197162 | 14:35 |
| jogo | about to read your 3rd rev of the maintainers patch, should be fun | 14:36 |
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| mestery | jogo: Yeah, the maintainers thing is going off the rails, but I expected that given your attempt from the top | 14:39 |
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| jogo | yeah I feel bad for opening pandora's box and pointing to yours | 14:41 |
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| sc68cal | Good question | 14:46 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Replied to your email | 14:47 |
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| sc68cal | mestery: thx | 14:48 |
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| clarkb | jogo hideci should be making the comments less noisy right? is there a specific concern we are trying to address? | 14:51 |
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| jogo | clarkb: a CI system that hasn't worked in several weeks | 15:00 |
| jogo | just seems like fail | 15:00 |
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| jogo | mestery: I reviewed your patch, looks interesting. wonder what you think of my comment and vote | 15:19 |
| mestery | jogo: Thanks, I appreciate your continued support. | 15:20 |
| mestery | jogo: Like you said, I'm baffled by bing tent supporters trying to put the breaks on this change | 15:21 |
| mestery | Makes no sense to me, you can't have it both ways | 15:21 |
| mestery | But ah well | 15:21 |
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| jogo | mestery: honestly if the vast majority of the current neutron core team +2s your change, and only a few -1s are from neutron devs that sounds like enough support | 15:24 |
| jogo | even if there are -1s | 15:24 |
| mestery | jogo: Yes, that's what I'm hoping. It's not like I'm trying to introduce java into openstack, I'm just changing the way we run neutron to reflect reality and where we want to go :) | 15:25 |
| jogo | mestery: I am waiting for java to be added actually https://github.com/stackforge/monasca-common | 15:26 |
| jogo | mestery: you are touching yet another 3rd rail of OpenStack | 15:27 |
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| mestery | jogo: lol :) | 15:27 |
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| sc68cal | count me as a non-core who +1's the idea of maintainers | 15:32 |
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| jogo | sc68cal: a non core who is a neutron dev though | 15:36 |
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| mestery | jeblair: Thanks for your comments on my neutron maintainers patch, you've boiled it down to the good parts, appreciated. :) | 16:57 |
| jeblair | mestery: whew. i was hoping i could try to contribute something constructive :) | 16:57 |
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| mestery | jeblair: Indeed! I think you framed what I was trying to say much better :) | 16:58 |
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| mordred | flashgordon: I'm also, fwiw, looking forward to our new monasca overlords | 17:04 |
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| flashgordon | mordred: it will be a fun to see you accept a java repo :) | 17:13 |
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| mordred | flashgordon: I already have java repos :) | 17:14 |
| mordred | flashgordon: infra has had several java projects for years | 17:14 |
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| flashgordon | mordred: interesting | 17:16 |
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| flashgordon | btw you coming into chelse today? | 17:16 |
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| mordred | flashgordon: no - I was just poking mtreinish about that ... I've been actually getting a CRAPTON of hacking done on dib-nodepool this week and I kinda don't want to step out of the zone | 17:18 |
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| flashgordon | kk | 17:18 |
| mordred | so I'm sad I'll miss you all - but the producitivity needs to be harnessed when it's there :) | 17:18 |
| flashgordon | hahaha | 17:18 |
| mordred | especially with 6 solid weeks of travel coming up | 17:18 |
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| leakypipes | dtroyer: "self-selected for failure" <-- my new favorite phrase ;) | 17:20 |
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| nibalizer | ptomka: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html | 17:48 |
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| dtroyer | mordred: :(, but totally understood | 17:50 |
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| leakypipes | lbragstad: nice posts on Fernet tokens. | 18:15 |
| leakypipes | lbragstad: not so much on the quinoa :P | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | leakypipes: ++ hope you found it helpful! | 18:16 |
| leakypipes | :) | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | leakypipes: the Fernet posts that is ;) | 18:16 |
| leakypipes | hehe | 18:16 |
| * leakypipes not so keen on quinoa ;) | 18:17 | |
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| lbragstad | leakypipes: I'm looking at writing up another one with the workflow for 0 wait time for token validation between multiple keystone servers | 18:18 |
| leakypipes | lbragstad: excellent. | 18:18 |
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| flashgordon | mestery: any reason why check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-pg-full is non voting still? | 20:26 |
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| flashgordon | it appears to be working | 20:26 |
| mestery | flashgordon: I think we in neutron had spoken about this, I think it makes sense to make it voting now that it's working | 20:27 |
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| flashgordon | mestery: kk, I'll post the change | 20:27 |
| mestery | flashgordon: sweet! | 20:27 |
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| flashgordon | mestery: https://review.openstack.org/168478 | 20:33 |
| flashgordon | there ya go | 20:33 |
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| flashgordon | mestery: trying to figure out how to take the postgres config out of the standard set of jobs being run (the so called integrated-gate) | 20:33 |
| flashgordon | turns out user survey says only 7% of folks use it anyway | 20:33 |
| mestery | Wow, time to dump it for sure then :) | 20:34 |
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| flashgordon | mestery: well hopefully but last time we tried that a bunch of people complained | 20:36 |
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| mestery | flashgordon: Complaining in OpenStack? I'm shocked. :P | 20:37 |
| mestery | flashgordon: Keep fighting the good fight my friend, these types of cleanups are good to do every now and then | 20:37 |
| flashgordon | I think we should just move a few if the postgres things to nightly | 20:37 |
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| mestery | That makes sense | 20:38 |
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| flashgordon | http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-user-survey-insights-november-2014 | 20:38 |
| flashgordon | is fun | 20:38 |
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| flashgordon | more ppl use devstack then postgres | 20:38 |
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| mestery | lol | 20:38 |
| sdague | flashgordon: I thought you were going to do the big axe on pg? | 20:39 |
| flashgordon | sdague: this was a small axe | 20:42 |
| flashgordon | and a backup option just in case | 20:42 |
| mestery | flashgordon: see armax's comment on your patch around grenade. | 20:42 |
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| marun | flashgordon: I'd rather see us relegate pg jobs to periodic and experimental | 20:43 |
| marun | but that's just me | 20:43 |
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| flashgordon | mestery: thanks | 20:45 |
| flashgordon | marun: that is me too :) | 20:45 |
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| flashgordon | but just in case, this at least is one less job | 20:45 |
| * mestery likes less jobs | 20:45 | |
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| marun | flashgordon: one less, but voting? | 20:46 |
| flashgordon | marun: yeah, does neutron want it non-voting? | 20:46 |
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| flashgordon | I am happy with that | 20:46 |
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| marun | flashgordon: I guess I'd lean towards non-voting, but that's just me | 20:50 |
| flashgordon | sdague marun: I don't think I have a strong enough argument to drop the postgres jobs since there will be backlash | 20:51 |
| marun | from who? | 20:51 |
| flashgordon | marun: happy to change it, I don't care either way. take it up with mestery | 20:51 |
| flashgordon | marun: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037495.html | 20:51 |
| flashgordon | read that | 20:51 |
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| armax | flashgordon: did you mean read that or red hat? | 20:52 |
| armax | :) | 20:52 |
| flashgordon | the full that thread | 20:52 |
| flashgordon | not red hat lol | 20:53 |
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| marun | flashgordon: fair enough, lots of bikeshedding | 20:53 |
| mestery | marun: It's OpenStack! | 20:53 |
| mestery | bike shedding is part of hte process | 20:53 |
| flashgordon | although the user survey says no one cares really | 20:53 |
| marun | mestery: so, pg voting or non? | 20:53 |
| marun | mestery: frankly, I think non-voting is best | 20:54 |
| mestery | marun: ++, non voting | 20:54 |
| marun | mestery: to pave the way for moving it to periodic | 20:54 |
| marun | mestery: since the failure resolution procedure would be largely similar | 20:54 |
| mestery | marun: +1000 | 20:54 |
| marun | flashgordon: so, non-voting please :) | 20:54 |
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| armax | marun: does it really hurt to keep it there, though? | 20:55 |
| mtreinish | marun: I view non-voting is a crutch to get things working, its either important and you should vote, or save the nodes and go periodic/experimental | 20:55 |
| marun | mtreinish, armax: see: paving the way to moving towards a periodic model for stuff that isn't critical path | 20:55 |
| mestery | mtreinish: Then lets just go straight to periodic! | 20:56 |
| mestery | If that's where we're going to be ... | 20:56 |
| mestery | why not start there? | 20:56 |
| mtreinish | mestery: yep, I support that | 20:56 |
| marun | If that's an option, I say yes | 20:56 |
| mestery | awesome! | 20:56 |
| armax | so perhaps we need to split flashgordon’s patch in two | 20:56 |
| mestery | flashgordon: periodic please :) | 20:56 |
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| armax | one that drops -pg in favor of full and another where we discussing dropping full altogether | 20:56 |
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| marun | mtreinish: how is success/failure for periodic reported? | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | marun: an email to the old openstack-qa ml | 20:57 |
| armax | dropping -pg is sort of no brainer | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | which is only still around for that | 20:57 |
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| marun | mtreinish: ok | 20:57 |
| flashgordon | armax: new patch coming up | 20:57 |
| marun | mtreinish: what about reporting? | 20:57 |
| armax | dropping -pg-full may require us more time to ponder on the right course of action | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | marun: the long term plan (which has been long term for about a year) has been to create a dashboard view for this | 20:57 |
| marun | mtreinish: it would seem to me that periodic would benefit from a longer window than automatic jobs | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | but no one has had time to do that | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | marun: it emails the list if a periodic job fails | 20:58 |
| armax | periodic seems sensible to me, but I am no advocate for Postgres to care about fixing bugs post-facto | 20:58 |
| marun | armax: we're not talking about dropping it, just running it periodically | 20:58 |
| marun | mtreinish: ok | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | marun: that's the only feedback from periodics right now | 20:58 |
| armax | marun: the effect is similar | 20:58 |
| marun | armax: I think we should take that step | 20:58 |
| armax | marun: I am not disagreeing with you | 20:58 |
| marun | armax: those that care about pg support can monitor the failures and/or work on a dashboard | 20:59 |
| armax | marun: buf if Postgres was important to me, I’d oppose it | 20:59 |
| mtreinish | marun: there are plans to expand periodic and post-merge testing, but other things have come up and no one has had time to work on it as of yet | 20:59 |
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| marun | armax: but burdening everyone else with supporting something of limited utility is asinine | 20:59 |
| armax | marun: limited utility to you or me or anyone who doesn’t use it | 20:59 |
| marun | mtreinish: hopefully if we move stuff like pg to periodic there will be renewed interest in making it better :) | 20:59 |
| marun | armax: limited utility to the community as a whole | 21:00 |
| marun | armax: and those that need it can do the work themselves rather than free-riding | 21:00 |
| armax | marun: I assume that someone who cared enough put it there | 21:00 |
| marun | armax: sure, but setup is one-time | 21:00 |
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| marun | armax: running it and keeping it running costs way more | 21:00 |
| armax | marun: indeed | 21:00 |
| armax | marun: that’s the whole point though | 21:01 |
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| armax | marun: striking the balance between individual vs coordinated effort | 21:01 |
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| flashgordon | armax marun mestery: https://review.openstack.org/168486 that is the change itself. Now neutron can decide if they want that or not | 21:04 |
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| marun | flashgordon: do you know what the diff is between neutron and neutron-full? | 21:06 |
| flashgordon | marun: the pg jobs? | 21:06 |
| marun | flashgordon: non-pg | 21:06 |
| flashgordon | ohh right | 21:06 |
| marun | flashgordon: maybe the same diff between pg and pg-full | 21:06 |
| flashgordon | neutron not full runs on old branches only | 21:06 |
| flashgordon | icehouse only | 21:06 |
| marun | ah, ok | 21:06 |
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| mestery | thanks for all these patches flashgordon | 21:07 |
| flashgordon | hmm maybe we need neutron-pg regular for icehouse only | 21:07 |
| flashgordon | yeah we may meh | 21:08 |
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| flashgordon | mestery: no problem | 21:08 |
| mestery | have a good weekend flashgordon | 21:08 |
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| marun | flashgordon: yes, thanks and have a good one! :) | 21:09 |
| flashgordon | o/ | 21:09 |
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