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| annegentle | bswartz: thanks for asking about manila docs planning, I'm seeking legal clarity on the use of docs.openstack.org for projects. Stay tuned to openstack-docs mailing list for resolution. | 14:11 |
| bswartz | annegentle: oh that's on ML I think I'm not yet subscribed to | 14:11 |
| bswartz | s/on/one/ | 14:12 |
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| bswartz | thanks for checking up on that | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | bswartz: get on there! :) Just kidding, it's low volume, maybe 4 messages a day at peak | 14:12 |
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| Nishi | Hello everyone! | 14:13 |
| bswartz | uh oh now I need to remember my ML password | 14:14 |
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| annegentle | bswartz: heh | 14:15 |
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| bswartz | subscribed! | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | bswartz: cool, the post is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2015-March/000356.html if you want to see | 14:21 |
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| bswartz | oh that's the same one that was cross-posted to legal, which I do read | 14:21 |
| bswartz | you think it will make today's TC meeting agenda | 14:22 |
| bswartz | ? | 14:22 |
| annegentle | bswartz: ah ok | 14:22 |
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| annegentle | bswartz: it's on the backlog -- sorry don't have insight into timing | 14:22 |
| annegentle | bswartz: honestly need a lawyer but I understand the urgency so will also go through Foundation pathways once reed is awake | 14:22 |
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| bswartz | thanks | 14:23 |
| annegentle | bswartz: it's not technically a TC call, I put it on the agenda for educatoin | 14:23 |
| annegentle | education. edjumacation | 14:23 |
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| bswartz | we'll proceed with out backup plan of doing what we did last time until we hear that we can contribute to the manuals project | 14:23 |
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| annegentle | bswartz: sounds like a plan | 14:28 |
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| byro | hello | 18:28 |
| byro | I'm working on a project that allows visualization of the cooperation among various Openstack elements | 18:28 |
| byro | trying to assess whether there is interest in the community | 18:28 |
| byro | what is the right way to do so? | 18:29 |
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| sigmavirus24 | byro: like osprofiler? | 18:30 |
| byro | not familiar with osprofiler.... | 18:32 |
| byro | googling.... | 18:32 |
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| byro | the tool allows to load traces/logs in a certain format.... | 18:33 |
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| byro | builds a sequence diagram model in memory.... | 18:33 |
| byro | and alows interactive visualizaton/browsing.... | 18:33 |
| byro | as welll as writing python scrypts to analyze the model | 18:34 |
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| byro | I can provide a screen capture if somebody is interested.... | 18:36 |
| byro | I'm looking to understand how to engage with the community | 18:37 |
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| reed | wasn't this page supposed to be deprecated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix in favor of http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html? | 18:37 |
| reed | ah, the docs matrix is only for Kilo onwards | 18:38 |
| reed | ok, it makes sense to keep the wiki table in there for a while longer | 18:38 |
| byro | can anybody suggest how to engage? | 18:39 |
| reed | byro, you just engaged :) | 18:40 |
| byro | thanks reed :-) | 18:41 |
| byro | really, trying to see if there is interest in applying this tool I've been working on and a bit of instrumentation in openstack in order to provide insight into internal behavior | 18:41 |
| reed | byro, your idea reminds me of a Cisco sponsored project... let me pull it | 18:41 |
| byro | guess what.... | 18:41 |
| byro | I work for CISCO | 18:41 |
| reed | http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/meet-avos-the-analytics-dashboard-for-your-openstack-cloud | 18:42 |
| reed | is AVOS you're working on? | 18:42 |
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| byro | no, this is something different | 18:43 |
| * ijw suspects he knows how byro is | 18:43 | |
| ijw | And if he's right, nope, not that one | 18:43 |
| byro | ijw is right :-) | 18:43 |
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| ijw | byro will be after some way of inserting a handful of tracepoints at certain parts of the code (e.g. where messages are sent and received) so that he can put a call graph together for operators to see where the Openstack code is spending its time. AVOS is more app related, I think | 18:45 |
| reed | byro, I'd suggest you to publish the code (if it's already running) and pitch it around to see if anyone is interested | 18:45 |
| byro | that's what I'm doing :-) | 18:45 |
| reed | ijw, byro: and it's not using ceilometer? | 18:45 |
| byro | the code for the tool is published.... | 18:46 |
| ijw | reed: Not sure that's appropriate for tracepoints, is it? | 18:46 |
| byro | re the openstack instrumentation, I have a prototype of it, but by no mean I believe it is production level.... | 18:46 |
| * ijw really hasn't touched ceilometer | 18:46 | |
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| reed | ijw, i have no idea either | 18:46 |
| byro | ideally I would want the instrumentation to be done by Openstack experts instead | 18:46 |
| ijw | It's more tenant facing, at least, which this isn't | 18:47 |
| reed | byro, I would send an email to the operators mailing list, maybe... have blog posts, readme, demo, or at least screenshots | 18:47 |
| reed | if they're your target audience, I'd start from the users and build demand first | 18:48 |
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| byro | yeah... this is probably not of much value to tenant..... | 18:49 |
| byro | as ijw says, it's more intended for people who want to know what's going on under the hood, possibly optimize.... | 18:49 |
| ijw | Well, as a tenant I like my clouds nice and fast ;) | 18:49 |
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| boris-42 | byro: | 18:58 |
| boris-42 | byro: hi | 18:58 |
| boris-42 | byro: I made some amount ago library osprofiler | 18:58 |
| byro | hi | 18:58 |
| boris-42 | byro: it traces requests and produce such visualizatin http://boris-42.github.io/ngk.html | 18:58 |
| boris-42 | visualization * | 18:58 |
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| boris-42 | byro: ^ related to your topic?) | 18:59 |
| byro | soemwhat.... | 18:59 |
| byro | but not quite | 18:59 |
| byro | let me try to upload a screen capture somewhere.... | 18:59 |
| boris-42 | byro: sure thing | 19:00 |
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| ekarlso | anyone know how with sqla migrate to create a enum and then reference that enum in a table, then create the table with having it creating the enum again that's already created in │ bnemec | 19:06 |
| ekarlso | | pgsql ? | 19:06 |
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| byro | boris-42: I'm curious...did you do your own instrumentation of OS, or are you using existing traces? | 19:15 |
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| boris-42 | byro: osprofiler generates trace information | 19:18 |
| boris-42 | byro: that is stored for now only ceilometer and in future there will be other backens | 19:18 |
| byro | boris: what from? | 19:18 |
| boris-42 | byro: so if it enabled | 19:19 |
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| boris-42 | byro: and it is triggered | 19:19 |
| boris-42 | byro: it will generate traces | 19:19 |
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| boris-42 | byro: take a look at this blogpost for more details https://ahsalkeld.wordpress.com/ | 19:20 |
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| byro | so, osprofiler is a "library" called inside ceilometer, correct? | 19:21 |
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| boris-42 | byro: nope not in ceilometer | 19:23 |
| boris-42 | byro: it should be in all projects and called by projects | 19:23 |
| boris-42 | byro: so projects are generiting special notifications that are (for now) collected by ceilometer | 19:23 |
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| boris-42 | byro: the major feature is that we can get single trace for single request accross all services of all projects | 19:24 |
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| byro | boris-42: trying to convince github to show an image I uploaded.... | 19:37 |
| boris-42 | byro: =) | 19:37 |
| byro | the image is rather big, and github keeps showing me the older web page when I publish | 19:38 |
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| boris-42 | byro: link please | 19:38 |
| boris-42 | =) | 19:38 |
| byro | https://github.com/rattias/mscviewer/blob/master/doc/openstack_example.png | 19:39 |
| boris-42 | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rattias/mscviewer/master/doc/openstack_example.png | 19:39 |
| boris-42 | byro: ^ everything works | 19:39 |
| boris-42 | byro: so it's quite similar to what you get in osprofiler | 19:40 |
| boris-42 | byro: just displayed in another way | 19:40 |
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| byro | the model might be similar, the visualization here is in the form of an augmented sequence diagram | 19:41 |
| boris-42 | byro: so if you click on boxes in osprofiler result | 19:42 |
| boris-42 | byro: you will find in WSGI points http requests | 19:42 |
| boris-42 | byro: with detailed info | 19:42 |
| boris-42 | if we just filter rpc/http calls we will get enough info to draw the similar graphic | 19:42 |
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| byro | interesting.... | 19:43 |
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| ttx | mugsie: o/ | 19:43 |
| ttx | boris-42: o/ | 19:43 |
| byro | what information is currently sent to ceilometer? for each interaction in each component, do you have the sending/receiving sent over? | 19:43 |
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| boris-42 | byro: it depends on project and what it want to send | 19:44 |
| boris-42 | byro: osprofiler is lib that allows you to put everywher points that you need | 19:44 |
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| byro | understood, but what is there today? | 19:44 |
| boris-42 | byro: for now default thing that I am trying to get in project are next | 19:44 |
| boris-42 | HTTP/RPC/DB calls | 19:45 |
| boris-42 | and in projects like cinder Drivers | 19:45 |
| boris-42 | currently it is merged only in heat, cinder, glance, trove | 19:45 |
| boris-42 | and I got tired=) | 19:45 |
| boris-42 | ttx: hi hi=) | 19:45 |
| boris-42 | ttx: how are you? | 19:45 |
| byro | ok. how can I get the info out of ceilometer? | 19:45 |
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| boris-42 | byro: when you are triggering osprofiler it returns to you traceid | 19:46 |
| boris-42 | byro: this traceid is used to query all notifications with it | 19:46 |
| ttx | boris-42: caught a cold, I'm sick as hell :) | 19:46 |
| byro | and which openstack release is this in? | 19:47 |
| boris-42 | byro: https://github.com/stackforge/osprofiler/blob/master/osprofiler/parsers/ceilometer.py#L118-L127 | 19:47 |
| boris-42 | byro: oh not sure need to find when patches are merged | 19:47 |
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| boris-42 | byro: boris-42 lives in master world | 19:48 |
| boris-42 | ttx: uh that sux... | 19:48 |
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| boris-42 | ttx: so I am testing new "Big Tent" model=) | 19:50 |
| boris-42 | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169357/ | 19:50 |
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| boris-42 | ttx: could I add this to agenda of 7 April? | 19:50 |
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| ttx | boris-42: yes | 19:51 |
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| boris-42 | ttx: thank you=) | 19:51 |
| mugsie | ttx: was just pinging you about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167682/ - i hadn't seen the new system that has come in | 19:52 |
| boris-42 | byro: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103415/ | 19:52 |
| boris-42 | byro: so Aug 23 | 19:52 |
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| mugsie | we might want to update the docs about it, all pages still say its a free flow release pattern | 19:52 |
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| ttx | mugsie: yes, some docs need updating. We shall approve that openstack-specs today | 19:53 |
| ttx | that will clarify things | 19:53 |
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| mugsie | thanks - was getting myself very confused :) | 19:55 |
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| byro | boris-42: after playing a bit with the link you sent me, I believe there is some possibly complementary feature in MSCViewer. Di you think there would be interest in exploring? | 20:15 |
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| boris-42 | byro: I think it will be nice to start openstack-dev mailing thread | 20:17 |
| boris-42 | byro: because I believe a lot of people is interested in this topic | 20:17 |
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| ekarlso | bauzas: what happened to blazar ? | 20:57 |
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| bauzas | ekarlso: most of the core contributors (incl. me) have changed from their mission | 20:58 |
| ekarlso | bauzas: so it's dead meat ? :p | 20:58 |
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| bauzas | ekarlso: we sucked up in getting core momentum so the project is nearly defunct | 20:58 |
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| ekarlso | :P | 20:59 |
| ekarlso | bauzas: that's too bad, it was a good idea for private hpc stuff | 20:59 |
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| bauzas | ekarlso: it was the original idea for creating it | 20:59 |
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| bauzas | ekarlso: but just to be clear, it should be probably not a separate project, but rather done by either nova or even the future Gantt project | 21:00 |
| ekarlso | gantt seems to be moving slow :p | 21:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi, happy to continue the GBP discussion here | 21:01 |
| ekarlso | mriedem: heya, just wondering if you maybe know the answer fro this: i want to create a enum before a table in sqla migrate and then use it in two table declarations but the enum should only be create when it's initially created and not a part of the table create.. this is for pgsql... | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | ekarlso: not sure, that seems like more of a sqlalchemy question rather than migrate/alembic, but i remember zzzeek or jerdfelt saying something once about enums being a pain in the butt with postgresql | 21:03 |
| ekarlso | mriedem: :'( | 21:04 |
| ekarlso | zzzeek: u got any clues ? | 21:04 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: alaski: http://logs.openstack.org/06/160506/11/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/8421c03/console.html (based on the top patch from my series) shows that all hypervisor-related issues for the cells job are now fixed | 21:08 |
| bauzas | melwitt: alaski: now only 3 tests are failing \o/ | 21:09 |
| melwitt | bauzas: very cool | 21:09 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: could you then make sure you whitelist the 3 failed tests on your infra patch ? http://logs.openstack.org/06/160506/11/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/8421c03/console.html#_2015-03-31_18_14_42_508 | 21:10 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: and provide a Depends-On tag on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160506/12 ? | 21:11 |
| melwitt | bauzas: sure. I already have the tenant_networks one, the volume_boot_pattern is new. and yes, will update the Depends-On also | 21:11 |
| melwitt | bauzas: the volume_boot_pattern I noticed it's scheduler unable to communicate with child, something I haven't seen before | 21:12 |
| bauzas | oh? | 21:12 |
| * bauzas checking... | 21:12 | |
| melwitt | bauzas: http://logs.openstack.org/06/160506/11/check/check-tempest-dsvm-cells/8421c03/logs/screen-n-cell-child.txt.gz#_2015-03-31_18_10_09_780 | 21:12 |
| bauzas | melwitt: now that I have a local cell-ish devstack, I could probably help :) | 21:13 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: mmm, I wonder if it would need the same pattern than the one we provided in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160506/12/nova/objects/service.py,cm | 21:15 |
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| alaski | bauzas: awesome! | 21:16 |
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| bauzas | argh, hitting the Jenkins dependency issue | 21:17 |
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| melwitt | bauzas: yeah, I'm not sure. as I suspected this test become unskipped recently, that's why we see it now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165616/ | 21:19 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: baaaam | 21:19 |
| bauzas | melwitt: indeed | 21:19 |
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| bauzas | jogo: happy with +W for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169365/2 ? | 21:21 |
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| jogo | bauzas: lets leave that to jaypipes | 21:25 |
| bauzas | jogo: I'm not sure he's Gantt core, lemme check | 21:26 |
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| bauzas | jogo: he's not | 21:27 |
| bauzas | jogo: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/253,members | 21:27 |
| jogo | well lets get a +1 from him anyway | 21:27 |
| bauzas | that's what I was about to porpose | 21:27 |
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| bauzas | jogo: but please keep in mind that Gantt and the nova scheduler are 2 distinct efforts :) | 21:28 |
| jogo | bauzas: huh? | 21:28 |
| bauzas | jogo: I mean that jaypipes is interested in the scheduler efforts, I don't know much of his interest about any cross-project scheduler that could be Gantt | 21:29 |
| bauzas | jogo: I recently provided a ML thread about that - we need to clearly identify what means Gantt - ie. nothing atm | 21:30 |
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| jogo | bauzas: soo if gantt is the code word for cross project scheduler it doesn't belong in the nova program at all | 21:30 |
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| bauzas | jogo: exactly, hence my point | 21:30 |
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| bauzas | jogo: atm, Gantt is nothing but a dead repo | 21:30 |
| bauzas | what we are trying to do with the nova scheduler is a necessary step for Gantt but is not Gantt itself | 21:31 |
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| jogo | gotcha | 21:32 |
| jogo | as for the delete gantt patch, I really don't care | 21:32 |
| jogo | but I think this means the repo doesn't belong in nova ever | 21:33 |
| jogo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168682/1 | 21:33 |
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| rajen | error: command '/usr/bin/pkg-config' failed with exit status 1 | 21:33 |
| rajen | need kind help | 21:34 |
| bauzas | jogo: yeah, see my first comment on that patch (I can't vote for some reason that I can't understand) | 21:35 |
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| bauzas | (probably because I'm not a TC member) | 21:35 |
| jogo | bauzas: yeah only TC can vote | 21:35 |
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| bauzas | jogo: before officially asking to be included as a governance project, we need a mission statement and a program | 21:35 |
| jogo | yeah | 21:36 |
| rajen | http://pastebin.ca/2967076 | 21:36 |
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| rajen | kindly need help for pastebin error | 21:36 |
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| zzzeek | ekarlso: enums are a PITA,yes | 21:41 |
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| ekarlso | zzzeek: you know how to do it ? :p | 21:44 |
| zzzeek | ekarlso: what are we doing, using ENUMs? use the Enum type / read docs? or are you hitting all the alembic issues | 21:44 |
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| ekarlso | zzzeek: sqla migrate :P | 21:46 |
| zzzeek | ekarlso: oh. well migarte is dead, so I think you’d need to just emit SQL for what you need to do on a per-DB basis | 21:46 |
| ekarlso | zzzeek: any easy migrate path yet for projects from sqla migrate to alembic ? | 21:46 |
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| zzzeek | ekarlso: well it looks like people are using the oslo.db thing to do it | 21:47 |
| ekarlso | zzzeek: uh, how does that help ? | 21:47 |
| zzzeek | ekarlso: Id prefer a migrate emulation within alembic but we dont have that yet. | 21:47 |
| zzzeek | ekarlso: you can knit together your migrate scripts with an alembic series | 21:47 |
| ekarlso | zzzeek: it would be awesome to have a path to upgrade... | 21:47 |
| zzzeek | someone should write some glue to invoke migrate oeprations on top of the alembic context. shouldnt be that hard | 21:48 |
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| zzzeek | ekarlso: are you going to the summit? if you want to start up a meetup or something I can lay this out and maybe people can even sprint on it | 21:49 |
| ekarlso | zzzeek: sadly no :P | 21:51 |
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| jogo | mestery: and there goes nothing The Evolution of core developer to maintainer? | 22:30 |
| jogo | mestery: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/060320.html | 22:30 |
| jogo | I wonder what will happen | 22:30 |
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| mestery | jogo: God speed my friend, I support you, will reply later, family time now :) | 22:36 |
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