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| ttx | eglynn: ohai! still in PTO ? | 09:09 |
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| eglynn | ttx: nope, back today | 09:09 |
| ttx | eglynn: I'd like to open the Ceilo RC2 window now | 09:09 |
| ttx | so that we can close it today or tomorrow with a "final" RC | 09:09 |
| eglynn | ttx: cool | 09:09 |
| ttx | Let's see what we should include in it | 09:10 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 09:10 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:stable/kilo,n,z | 09:10 |
| ttx | couple of backports proposed, no bugs in kilo-rc-potential | 09:10 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1446983 | 09:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446983 in Ceilometer "Ceilometer-api can't start after changing local language" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Lan Qi song (lqslan) | 09:11 |
| ttx | hhhm | 09:11 |
| eglynn | yeap, looks like one we should include | 09:12 |
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| ttx | ok, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176572/1 (just +2, I'll +A it) | 09:12 |
| ttx | adding to rc2 backlog | 09:13 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175807/ -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1445227 | 09:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445227 in Ceilometer "hbase should not use message_signature as unique id" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to ZhiQiang Fan (aji-zqfan) | 09:13 |
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| ttx | That one is a bit concerning on backward compatibility | 09:14 |
| ttx | but I'll defer to you | 09:14 |
| ttx | since I really have no idea :) | 09:14 |
| eglynn | looking | 09:15 |
| ttx | Last one proposed is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174049/ -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1446201 | 09:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446201 in Ceilometer "gnocchi alarm: url endpoint for validating query is wrong" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) | 09:15 |
| ttx | This last one sounds straightforward | 09:15 |
| eglynn | ttx: agreed on the last one ... but lemme chase down the backward compat aspect of https://review.openstack.org/175807 with the SME (i.e. _nadya_) | 09:17 |
| ttx | eglynn: sounds good. Maybe I'm wrong, but changing key sounds suspicious at least | 09:17 |
| eglynn | ttx: you happy to withraw -2 on https://review.openstack.org/174049 now that there's a bug linked in the commit msg | 09:18 |
| eglynn | ? | 09:18 |
| ttx | yep, approving it now | 09:18 |
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| eglynn | ttx: cool ... and yep, share your concerns on that key issue | 09:18 |
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| eglynn | ttx: I'll get back to you later on the hbase change, once we're quorum to discuss in #os-ceilo | 09:22 |
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| eglynn | ttx: white smoke on that hbase change, see comment inline on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175807/1/ceilometer/storage/impl_hbase.py | 09:37 |
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| ttx | eglynn: ack, targeting and approving | 09:41 |
| eglynn | ttx: thank you sir! | 09:41 |
| ttx | eglynn: will ping you again when all is in to see if we are still clear | 09:42 |
| eglynn | ttx: excellent :) | 09:42 |
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| breton | docs.openstack.org returns Internal Server Error :( | 09:52 |
| breton | "Please contact the server administrator, root@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred." Someone should email those guys at localhost corp. | 09:53 |
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| eglynn | ttx: a heads-up that we'd like to squeeze https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1447599 into RC2 also if poss | 13:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1447599 in Ceilometer "mongodb retry logic uses unpatched time.sleep to wait" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Chris Dent (chdent) | 13:18 |
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| ttx | eglynn: sounds doable, let me check | 13:24 |
| ttx | eglynn: you need to get it into master asap and we can consider adding it | 13:24 |
| ttx | I don't see a patch there ? | 13:25 |
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| sileht | sdague, ttx, I known you are a bit busy with the release stuffs, but can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174930/, that blocks the backport to kilo and the requirement sync in oslo.messaging to be able to release a new kilo oslo.messaging with the requirements updated | 14:42 |
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| dhellmann | sileht: are we going to need a similar requirements change in stable/kilo? | 14:44 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, yes | 14:45 |
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| dhellmann | sileht: ok, you should raise this in #openstack-relmgr-office -- I think we might have missed the boat on requirements updates for kilo, but we'll see | 14:46 |
| sileht | dhellmann, this is in relation with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174929/ and this topic: | 14:46 |
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| sileht | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061795.html | 14:47 |
| sileht | dhellmann, ^ | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | sileht: ok, making the feature optional in kilo should be possible without changing the requirements, right? | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | and then we can change the requirements for liberty to re-enable it? | 14:48 |
| sileht | dhellmann, yes | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | and if someone installs the right combination of libraries with kilo they can turn the feature back on | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | so we need a release note about how to do that | 14:48 |
| sileht | dhellmann, we have some issue to fix in kombu before renable it | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | but either way, it sounds like we will not actually need to update requirements in kilo | 14:49 |
| sileht | dhellmann, release note can be sufficient, I will propose a change | 14:49 |
| ttx | dhellmann: doesn't that affect only oslo.messaging ? | 14:49 |
| sileht | ttx, yes, but everybody use it :p | 14:49 |
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| ttx | oh, kombu, not just amqp | 14:50 |
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| jruzicka | lifeless, Hey. I was told you're interested in information why Red Hat patches pbr out, is that right? | 16:28 |
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| clarkb | jruzicka: yes I think pbr in general is interested. pbr has added features that should make that unnecessary but its hard to get concrete feedback on why it is still done | 16:29 |
| clarkb | lifeless likely won't be awake for a few more hours | 16:30 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ is probably interested too | 16:30 |
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| jruzicka | ya, I talked briefly with mordred about it in past | 16:30 |
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| jruzicka | I'm pretty sure I also sent a long email about it somewhere sometime, I guess I should write it down somewhere where I can just point people to | 16:31 |
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| clarkb | jruzicka: it would also probably help if it addressed why the current packaging flags in pbr are insufficient | 16:31 |
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| clarkb | jruzicka: iirc your discussion with mordred is where some of that came from | 16:32 |
| clarkb | but instead of using it pbr is still patched out | 16:32 |
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| mordred | aroo? | 16:32 |
| * mordred reads | 16:32 | |
| mordred | jruzicka: they patch it out because of bonghits | 16:32 |
| jruzicka | yeah, so it started due to unreasonable requires tree which is no longer the case | 16:32 |
| mordred | jruzicka: it's not necessary | 16:32 |
| mordred | :) | 16:33 |
| jruzicka | next thing was pip installing stuff on build, which is horrible but can be turned of by settign env variable IIRC | 16:33 |
| mordred | yah | 16:33 |
| jruzicka | the last two problems still hold | 16:33 |
| clarkb | and they are? | 16:33 |
| mordred | your description is the more real description - it's all history as I undersatnd | 16:33 |
| mordred | oh? neat! there are problems to solve | 16:33 |
| jruzicka | first is enforcement of module versions through pkg_resources | 16:33 |
| jruzicka | which we solve on per-package basis in .spec file | 16:34 |
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| mordred | that should be avoided currently | 16:34 |
| jruzicka | (rm -rf requirements.txt) | 16:34 |
| mordred | if it's not, it a bug | 16:34 |
| mordred | you don' tneed to rm -rf requirements.txt | 16:34 |
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| jruzicka | we don't have the latest versions in distros due to slower nature of review process | 16:34 |
| mordred | if your things do --single-version-externally-managed which is the standard for doing distro packaging of python things, there should be no pkg_resources enforcement | 16:35 |
| jruzicka | it's a feature (yay, stability) | 16:35 |
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| mordred | if you find that not to be the case, it is a bug and should be fixed | 16:35 |
| mordred | and it's been that way for quite a while | 16:35 |
| jruzicka | main rage with pbr was usually something failing with | 16:35 |
| mordred | since it's actually setuptools that implements taht and we're just a passthrough at that point | 16:35 |
| jruzicka | modules version doesn't match arbitrary range from global reqs | 16:35 |
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| jruzicka | but the software would run if this enforcement wouldn't be done | 16:36 |
| mordred | yah. again - that shoudl all be 100% avoided - in distro packaging land, nothing about requirements.txt should apply ata all | 16:36 |
| jruzicka | I was thinking about patching RDO pbr to not enforce this | 16:36 |
| jruzicka | yes, I concur | 16:36 |
| mordred | you do not need to patch pbr | 16:36 |
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| mordred | or - if you do - please patch upstream | 16:36 |
| mordred | we agree with your viewpoint :) | 16:36 |
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| mordred | jruzicka: you're passing --single-version-externally-managed in your spec files to setup.py, yeah? | 16:37 |
| jruzicka | So the last problem is rahter philosofical. Much of the pbr functionality shouldn't be needed runtime | 16:37 |
| jruzicka | the versioning should be in oslo.version and then pbr would be BuildRequires: as it should be | 16:38 |
| mordred | jruzicka: I'd like to talk about the last problem - but I want to make sure we're on the same page on the other one first | 16:38 |
| jruzicka | it's a matter of naming and expectaions | 16:38 |
| jruzicka | python BUILD reasonableness required at runtime... wutwut? | 16:38 |
| jruzicka | of course, we don't exactly have extra resources, so I'm not very enthusiastic about spliting the versioning functionality myself and making ALL the project switch to it | 16:39 |
| jruzicka | that's perry horrible thought actually :-p | 16:39 |
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| mordred | :) | 16:39 |
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| jruzicka | As I said, we don't patch it in Delorean/Trunk packaging | 16:39 |
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| jruzicka | which is basically auto-packaging latest upstream | 16:39 |
| jruzicka | and I reckong that will propagate further | 16:39 |
| mordred | so - there's two things - one is either a bug or a misunderstanding of build-time requirments processing as it relates to distro packaging that should be sorted | 16:40 |
| jruzicka | If the version enforcing could be disabled globally, that would be even metter | 16:40 |
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| mordred | jruzicka: seriously. I'd love a response to my question, because there should be no version enforcing. are you running setup.py with --single-version-externally-managed? | 16:41 |
| jruzicka | mordred, sorry... no, we don't. So that's lack of knowledge I reckon :-p | 16:42 |
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| mordred | k. so that's a standard setuptools thing | 16:42 |
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| mordred | and amongst other thigns, it tells setuptools to not do anything with requirements | 16:42 |
| mordred | this includes the pkg_resources enforcement | 16:42 |
| clarkb | https://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/setuptools.html under creating system packages documents that flag | 16:42 |
| mordred | so - all pbr is doing is taking the contents of requirements.txt and making it as if they'd be put in install_requires in setup.py | 16:43 |
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| mordred | so _any_ python package that declares an install_requires is going to have the pkg_resources problem with distro packages, regardless of pbr or not | 16:43 |
| jruzicka | mordred, right, I didn't figure out howto disable that mirroring, it didn't occur to me it can also be solved by changing setuptools behavior | 16:43 |
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| mordred | jruzicka: if you do that and it still has pkg_resources problems, please let me know, because it's a fairly massive bug | 16:45 |
| jruzicka | but that's gonna change, too, right? | 16:45 |
| mordred | if it doesn't work | 16:45 |
| mordred | what? | 16:45 |
| mordred | what do you mean? | 16:45 |
| jruzicka | requirements.txt -> setup.cfg | 16:45 |
| mordred | doesn't matter | 16:45 |
| mordred | same mechanism | 16:45 |
| jruzicka | no it doesn't :) | 16:45 |
| mordred | --single-version-externally-managed will still turn off the pkg_resources enforcement and the requirements processing no matter how thigns get added to the setuptools metadata | 16:46 |
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| jruzicka | yes, now that I have that information, it seems obvious :-p | 16:46 |
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| jruzicka | well, better late then never :-p | 16:46 |
| mordred | \o/ | 16:46 |
| mordred | we've been helpful today! | 16:46 |
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| jruzicka | you're generally helpful as far as my experience goes ;) | 16:47 |
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| jruzicka | anyway, that whole thing with pbr was the mix of ignorance, umet expectations and practical issues, none of which seems to be the case now | 16:48 |
| mordred | yah - I mean, we learn SO MUCH every month around this openstack thing :) | 16:48 |
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| jruzicka | oh yeah, the amount of informatio and experience I got in the last two years of packaging that monser is ridiculous. | 16:49 |
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| mordred | jruzicka: I'm surprised your still standing | 16:49 |
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| jruzicka | everything seems to be moving forward... slowly, yet steadily. | 16:49 |
| jruzicka | mordred, I'm surprised YOU're still standing :-p | 16:50 |
| mordred | jruzicka: I'm not :) | 16:50 |
| jruzicka | sitting? lying? | 16:50 |
| jruzicka | :-p | 16:50 |
| jruzicka | so I'll test --single-version-externally-managed in my client packages as I got a chance to | 16:51 |
| jruzicka | and hopefully realay the good news to other fighters on the packaging front | 16:51 |
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| jruzicka | finally, I'd like to mention http://trunk.rdoproject.org/ | 16:52 |
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| jruzicka | it's RDO's own packaging mechanism/workflow | 16:52 |
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| jruzicka | outside of ooooohhh sooooo slooooooow distro packaging | 16:52 |
| jruzicka | much more needs to be done, but once we have the tooling, we should have packages of latest upstream commits for each project | 16:53 |
| jruzicka | with that repo, you should be able to install latest working OpenStack on RPM platforms | 16:53 |
| jruzicka | having devstack-like freshness but with the platform-friendly packages and all | 16:54 |
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| jruzicka | IOW, the best OpenStack packages on the planet :-p Let's see in a cycle or two if that's just my wet dream or reality ;) | 16:55 |
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| mordred | neat! I'll go read more of your docs there | 16:57 |
| ihrachyshka | jruzicka, so, are we going to stop patching out pbr? | 16:57 |
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| jruzicka | ihrachyshka, yes, I think it started as apevec not wanting to deal with the pbr nuke patches in delorean... :D | 16:59 |
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| ihrachyshka | laziness ftw | 16:59 |
| jruzicka | word | 16:59 |
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| ihrachyshka | the whole argument of not having python-pip on a system seems ridiculous. it's like being afraid of gcc sitting there on a disk. | 17:00 |
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| jruzicka | mordred, oh yes, I wrote quite a lots of docs lately... but they're more practically oriented, top level overview of entire process is missing and as a matter of fact, that process now changes drastically. I'd like to create a nice diagram of the new packaging workflow, I'll include you in people interested in that ;) | 17:02 |
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| mordred | yay | 17:05 |
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| jruzicka | mordred, I still need to SKIP_PIP_INSTALL=1 even with --single-version-externally-managed, right? | 17:18 |
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| jruzicka | because `rm -f requirements.txt` disables both the pip installation AND the version enforcing. | 17:19 |
| mordred | jruzicka: yes - although I consider that a bug - --single-version-externally-managed should imply SKIP_PIP_INSTALL | 17:20 |
| mordred | also - honestly - rm -f requirements.txt is also fine - it's better than carrying a patch to setup.py that removes all the pbr stuff - that's just extra work :) | 17:20 |
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| jruzicka | yeah, laziness prevailed in the end ;) | 17:23 |
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| mordred | zzzeek: hey! I was just talking to harlowja about dogpile.cache v. cachetools | 19:21 |
| mordred | and the thought came up of making an LRU cache backend for dogpile that uses cachetols | 19:21 |
| mordred | tools | 19:22 |
| harlowja | zzzeek u to slow; asking in oslo channel lol | 19:22 |
| harlowja | mordred i mean | 19:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:22 |
| mordred | heh | 19:22 |
| mordred | ok | 19:22 |
| harlowja | :) | 19:22 |
| mordred | zzzeek, harlowja: I have very little skin in the game- you have fun | 19:22 |
| harlowja | thx | 19:22 |
| harlowja | keep the skin away from the game | 19:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | jruzicka: yes, yes I am :) | 19:31 |
| lifeless | jruzicka: so my goal isn't to have the reason for the patch out documented | 19:31 |
| lifeless | jruzicka: my goal is to change pbr such that its not needed to be patched out | 19:32 |
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| mordred | lifeless: (it's already not needed to be patched out) | 19:40 |
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| mordred | lifeless: (as long as the existing mechanism in setuptools for skipping enforcement of install_requires at the python layer is invoked) | 19:41 |
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| mordred | lifeless: but in as much as I believe it to already be the case that it's not necessary, I firmly support your goal of making it not necessary | 19:42 |
| mordred | lifeless: and if there are any bugs, we should totally fix them | 19:43 |
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| lifeless | mordred: right | 19:43 |
| lifeless | mordred: I was making the intent from our world crystal clear | 19:43 |
| mordred | lifeless: ++ | 19:44 |
| mordred | lifeless: completely and totally agree | 19:44 |
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| maishsk | Good evening all - how do I change the list of topics that I receive emails from the mailing list? | 20:09 |
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| maishsk | nm found the option :) | 20:12 |
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