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| tchaypo | jogo: so it seems to me like you are someone who gets stung by stable branches breaking fairly often. | 02:02 |
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| tchaypo | do you have opinions about things that people looking to make stable branches break less should focus on? | 02:03 |
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| jogo | Since we have moved to putting upper bounds on stable global requirements things have broken a lot less | 02:04 |
| jogo | in fact very little actually | 02:04 |
| jogo | so that has been fairly successful | 02:04 |
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| jogo | there has been some talk recently of making it easier to backport fixes though | 02:05 |
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| jogo | AFAIK right now most backports are not pro-active. They are someone saw an issue and wanted it fixed in stable | 02:05 |
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| jogo | there is another related side which is historically when stable branches did break it takes longer to get them fixed for some reason | 02:06 |
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| jogo | tchaypo: I think because less people work on them | 02:07 |
| clarkb | jogo: yes I think that is why | 02:08 |
| clarkb | less attention in general so when we notice it is often >1 thing going sideways | 02:08 |
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| tchaypo | So what kinds of things would you like people to pay attention to? | 02:10 |
| jogo | tchaypo: status pages are really helpful | 02:11 |
| jogo | tchaypo: I use graphite.openstack.org almost every day http://jogo.github.io/gate/ | 02:11 |
| jogo | in fact wow ^ | 02:11 |
| jogo | something went horribly wrong | 02:11 |
| tchaypo | I’m not sure if you mean “it would be good if there was a status page that could surface the information” or if you mean “there’s a great status page that I wish people looked at" | 02:11 |
| tchaypo | but as I was typing that it seems like you meant more of the latter | 02:12 |
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| tchaypo | yeah, that graph shows the time when gerrit wasn’t processing things, right? | 02:12 |
| jogo | tchaypo: so that graph is on my github page because it can be misleading at first glance | 02:13 |
| jogo | but it shows the number of jobs over time | 02:13 |
| jogo | and a moving average of the success rate | 02:13 |
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| jogo | tchaypo: so the gate failure are due to http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html#1449136 | 02:13 |
| jogo | which is a nice example of how status pages like that make things easier | 02:14 |
| jogo | tchaypo: it shouldn't be hard to whip up something like https://github.com/jogo/jogo.github.io/blob/master/gate/index.html p | 02:15 |
| jogo | for stable branches | 02:15 |
| jogo | to at least make it easier to discover when stable branches start failing | 02:15 |
| jogo | so I think two general themes: | 02:15 |
| jogo | * Make it easier to detect when stable branches start breaking | 02:15 |
| jogo | * Make it easier to backport fixes -- I think this mainly involves setting up some basic standards for a process and following through | 02:16 |
| jogo | such as making sure backport-potential tags are being followed up on etc. | 02:16 |
| jogo | for master branch there are a bunch of us who monitor the health | 02:17 |
| jogo | and when things go wrong we all notice quickly and fix it ASAP | 02:17 |
| jogo | but stable doesn't have that | 02:17 |
| tchaypo | let me find a thing.. | 02:19 |
| tchaypo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Appropriate_Fixes | 02:20 |
| tchaypo | To me that seems like “basic standards for a process" | 02:20 |
| tchaypo | at least for determining which things are appropriate for being backported | 02:20 |
| tchaypo | it sounds like “following through” is where we need more work - from what I’ve seen it seems like someone just looking at patches and deciding if they meet those criteria might be a good start | 02:21 |
| jogo | tchaypo: mostly yes | 02:25 |
| jogo | but looking at the bug tag section there | 02:25 |
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| jogo | personally when I review code for a bug fix I do not think about if it is a decent backport candidate or not | 02:26 |
| jogo | not sure if I should? | 02:26 |
| jogo | so I rarely apply the kilo-backport potential tag | 02:27 |
| jogo | tchaypo: so if one of the goals is to get more bug fixes backported (I am assuming that, I do not know for sure though) -- I think we can do a better job of all parts of the pipeline | 02:28 |
| jogo | tchaypo: it may be fun to run some of russell's review analysis tools on stable branches as well | 02:29 |
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| tchaypo | I’ve been thinking that the goal is “break less” rather than “backport more" | 02:29 |
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| tchaypo | but I’m thinking there are three related steps you’re thinking about here | 02:30 |
| tchaypo | (1) more proactive looking at bugs to tag those that have backport potential | 02:30 |
| tchaypo | (2) more proactive review of patches to the stable branches to get them landed/bounced faster | 02:31 |
| jogo | I think we hit the break less goal fairly well. Next is to break for less time | 02:31 |
| tchaypo | (3) possibly also more active work on finding things that have backport potential and actually backporting them? | 02:31 |
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| jogo | tchaypo: that sounds like a good breakdown of backport more | 02:34 |
| jogo | tchaypo: you should talk to adam_g and ihar | 02:35 |
| jogo | as I think they are the two main stable folks AFAIK | 02:35 |
| jogo | I am sure they have better ideas then I do on this | 02:35 |
| jogo | tchaypo: ahh yup https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Stable_branch_champions | 02:35 |
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| tchaypo | I had the (perhaps mistaken, I can’t remember anything in particular that made me think this) impression that adam_g wasn’t planning to do that in his new role | 02:41 |
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| jogo | tchaypo: perhaps, either way he has a lot of experience and I am sure an idea or two | 02:47 |
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| tchaypo | jogo: clarkb: thanks | 04:27 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: thingee my recommendation has been just point to the process/script to run the config in release notes, noting the one that's there is broken and call it a day | 14:53 |
| jgriffith | ttx: thingee I was told to change the oslo naming convention which ended up introducing a different problem so jungleboy did another spin on it (his review) | 14:53 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ++ | 14:53 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sounds good | 14:54 |
| ttx | It's not as if it wasn't a known-broken-forever thing | 14:54 |
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| _robbat2|irssi | could somebody please merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177975/ to make puppet installs work again? | 20:18 |
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| jogo | flaper87: ping re zaqar next steps | 20:28 |
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| jogo | flaper87: I find the idea of saying: We have this new thing, hey team over there do extra work and use us. When using you is far from a priority and you do not provide any manpower yourself | 20:30 |
| jogo | flaper87: doesn't work | 20:30 |
| jogo | flaper87: see keystone v3 adoption for example | 20:31 |
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| stevemar | jogo, yep... | 20:33 |
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| stevemar | jogo, we've had to go in and make changes to projects | 20:33 |
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| stevemar | even then, getting reviewers for that can be a PITA | 20:34 |
| jogo | stevemar: its hard to convince others to do your work for you unless they have a vested interest | 20:34 |
| stevemar | yup | 20:34 |
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| jogo | flaper87: so what I am saying is if zaqar cannot drive the integration with some project it won't happen | 20:34 |
| jogo | (most likely) | 20:34 |
| jogo | stevemar: FWIW I am very pleased how the keystone stuff ended up in nova | 20:35 |
| stevemar | its sort of there | 20:35 |
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| jogo | adding v3 support was fairly painless | 20:35 |
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| stevemar | splitting middleware into it's own repo + sensible defaults for domains made it painless | 20:36 |
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| jogo | right | 20:36 |
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| bknudson | I'm trying to figure out something with openstack CLI / package resources / something... | 20:50 |
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| bknudson | when I `openstack --debug user list` I get an error about argparse not being available. | 20:51 |
| bknudson | but `python -m argparse` works fine. | 20:51 |
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| bknudson | rpm -q --whatprovides python-argparse shows python-2.7.5-16.el7.x86_64 | 20:51 |
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| bknudson | so something's not adding up. | 20:51 |
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| bknudson | I wound up removing argparse from the stevedore egg-info requirements.txt and everything works. | 21:27 |
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| bknudson | when do we drop support for python 2.6? | 21:52 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: we did in kilo | 21:52 |
| bknudson | for the libs and openstack CLI | 21:52 |
| mtreinish | but if it's a lib that works pre-kilo they still run 2.6 stuff until they go eol | 21:53 |
| mtreinish | so when juno goes eol | 21:53 |
| bknudson | juno's got caps now... | 21:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | hm | 21:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | this is a good question | 21:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Most of the clients have broken backwards compat in one way or another at this point which is why they're capped | 21:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm not sure maintaining 2.6 support for anything other than Kilo is reasonable at this point since Juno's capped | 21:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | Kilo has a stable branch too which makes it simpler | 21:55 |
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| bknudson | seems like we shouldn't have to worry about juno since it's not going to be using master clients. | 21:56 |
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| bknudson | then we can drop argparse from g-r. | 21:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: I'm just following the same train of thought. But yeah that seems fair to me | 21:57 |
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