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| sdague | dhellmann: once you get around, can you update the nova / neutron session in cross project with the title / description here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-network | 12:30 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: thank you | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | sdague: np; I like that description better :-) | 13:37 |
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| CRACKBOY | hello everybody | 13:49 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: it looks like there's a neutron-ironic session on wednesday's schedule? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: Yes | 16:40 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: is that where we should all gather to discuss this? or do you think we need two sessions? | 16:40 |
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| devananda | (one in each track) | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: After our last Friday's meeting, I feel there is more discussion on the Ironic side, hence, we should have session in the Ironic side | 16:43 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: we agree on that | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: I had requested a session from Kyle, in case I could not get one from you :-) - now I got from him | 16:43 |
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| devananda | hah, ok | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: So, I was thinking we utilize both session - | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: On the Ironic side we can disuse the details of how to refactor the code to drive neutron from Ironic/Nova | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: and in Neutron session, we simply discuss the mechanism to pass all Ironic information to ML2 drivers | 16:45 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: we were just discussing whether to have the session in ironic's track in a fishbowl (200p room) or a small dev room (40p) | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: smaller will be better - so that only the required people are present | 16:46 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: if the ml2 implementation discussion is happening in neutron's track, then yea, i agree -- let's keep both small, and focused | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: One wrong comment can derail the disucssion | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: with bigger audience, there is alway that risk - but, I will leave it up to you - | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: If you feel it is appropriate to discuss in front of larger team, you can schedule it there - personally, I would like to have few stake holders who are familiar with the subject and can help us reach to concensus | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: we can very quickly put together the solution - once we have an agreement | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: does it make sense? | 16:50 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: ++ | 17:02 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda: I will prepare the enterpad within a day or so and share with you - I have an idea in my head as to how to utilize both session | 17:03 |
| Sukhdev | devananda: once we have ehterpad, then we can have better idea - will share with you as soon as I have to - ran into critical issue, otherwise, I would have already done it - | 17:03 |
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| jogo | dhellmann: ping re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179799/ | 20:45 |
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| jogo | dhellmann: so if the goal is to document what the TC recommends to the board, could you just say to get tc-approved-release you must have the following other tags? | 20:47 |
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| jogo | and define the list as the intersection between several tags? | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | jogo: where those other tags exist, yes (and I think I did in one or two cases) but we don't have the other tags defined and we need this one to have *some* definition soon | 21:20 |
| jogo | dhellmann: why do you need some definition soon? | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | jogo: administering this list is part of the new bylaws changes, so we need to have some criteria in place in case a project asks to be added to the list -- I'm trying to stay ahead of the game | 21:24 |
| jogo | "The Technical Committee shall designate a subset of the OpenStack Project an “OpenStack Technical Committee Approved Release” from time to time. | 21:25 |
| jogo | that is vague enough that I think you don't have a timeline | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | it's also specific enough that I expect the question to come up :-) | 21:26 |
| jogo | and I think breaking it down into a set of tags would be more useful | 21:26 |
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| jogo | also a single monolithic tag doesn't sound very useful since it will have so many factors going into it | 21:26 |
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| dhellmann | I think we need to have 1 tag, although some of the specific criteria may be appropriate to be their own tags | 21:27 |
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| dhellmann | as with the diversity item | 21:27 |
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| dhellmann | because meeting a bunch of criteria does not automatically grant this privilege | 21:28 |
| jogo | 1 metatag sure | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | so I'm taking a short cut, for now, in proposing it as one thing and suggesting that folks that care about splitting it up can do that | 21:28 |
| jogo | well I figure it would be something like: X objective criteria (as X separate objective tags) Y subjective items | 21:28 |
| jogo | sure, taking a shortcut now to better figure out what folks more or less agree on, and how to break it down further may be good | 21:29 |
| jogo | but I still haven't seen the incubation and graduation reqs broken out yet either ... | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | I think we're waiting for operators to tell us what sorts of things are actually interesting to them, but I could be wrong. I expect TC activity to pick up a bit after the summit, so maybe we'll see more proposals then, too. | 21:30 |
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| jogo | I thought the incubation+graduation reqs were more or less agreed upon as good | 21:31 |
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| dhellmann | good as what? | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | as tags? | 21:32 |
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| jogo | perhaps, honestly I am underwhelmed by how the tagging thing has played out so far. I think it can be really useful (as a tool to convey information to users, and as a carrot for the TC to use to guide projects) | 21:32 |
| jogo | good as in good things to turn into tags | 21:32 |
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| dhellmann | ok, that's what I thought you meant | 21:33 |
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