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| deepakcs | cschwede: hey, can u review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251421/ when u have some time, thanks | 10:35 |
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| cschwede | deepakcs: done; i think the new job is also voting? | 10:43 |
| deepakcs | cschwede: Isnt' it the case that when name ends with -nv its non-voting by default ? | 10:44 |
| deepakcs | cschwede: the change in projects.yaml introduces job-suffix: '-nv' which makes the job non-voting | 10:45 |
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| deepakcs | cschwede: do we still need voting: false explicitly in layout.yaml ? | 10:45 |
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| deepakcs | cschwede: ah, andreas just commented on yours, looks like its not needed :) | 10:46 |
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| cschwede | deepakcs: ah, just found it: https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/zuul/layout.yaml#L704-L706 makes sense | 10:50 |
| deepakcs | cschwede: cool, i didn't knew that, thanks for sharing | 10:50 |
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| annegentle | alex_xu: happen to have a link handy for showing json schema in Compute API? | 13:38 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: I have the spec at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/juno/implemented/v3-api-schema.html but wondered if there's a specific example I can see | 13:39 |
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| alex_xu | annegentle: you can't access the json schema from REST API directly. It is used in the nova internal https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/schemas | 13:39 |
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| annegentle | alex_xu: ah, thanks | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: np | 13:41 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: any plans to expose to end users? | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: at least no plan in Mitaka | 13:42 |
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| annegentle | alex_xu: ok, thanks. Had a good chat with an sdk dev this morning about glance's use of json schema, you have to use them for their PATCH operations, which is unlike any other project. So was looking to nova :) | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: yea, there isn't patch operations in nova. But I remember ironic have patch operation also | 13:45 |
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| annegentle | alex_xu: ok, thanks | 13:47 |
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| piet_ | Here is an updated link for the Nova Networks/Neutron Migration results presentation at 10AM MST / 12PM EST / 5:00PM UTC: https://bluejeans.com/3602129738 | 16:31 |
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| jdandrea | ianw: Thank you for the +2 for #1463837. I did a rebase and altered the error/commit message a bit. Appreciate the help very much. | 16:40 |
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| piet_ | The deck from today's results presentation from the Nova Network/Neutron Migration Study can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HorizonUsability_Testing#December_2015_Nova_Networks_to_Neutron_Migration_Study | 20:01 |
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| mriedem | gordc: seen this? http://logs.openstack.org/22/251122/4/gate/gate-ceilometer-dsvm-integration/91cca4a/console.html#_2015-11-30_21_02_32_210 | 20:32 |
| mriedem | gate-ceilometer-dsvm-integration looks sad | 20:32 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html | 20:32 |
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| gordc | mriedem: yep | 20:36 |
| gordc | mriedem: it should be a bit more stable since i reverted something friday | 20:36 |
| mriedem | http://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22FAIL:%20check%20gnocchi%20resources:%20Check%20the%20gnocchi%20resources%20for%20this%20two%20servers%20exists%5C%22%20AND%20tags:%5C%22console%5C%22%20AND%20build_name:%5C%22gate-ceilometer-dsvm-integration%5C%22 | 20:36 |
| mriedem | yeah | 20:36 |
| mriedem | looks fixed | 20:36 |
| mriedem | was there a bug for that? | 20:36 |
| gordc | mriedem: it's basically a timing issue... | 20:36 |
| gordc | mriedem: i didn't have a fix. | 20:37 |
| gordc | mriedem: i reverted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250912/... cache+gnocchi made the issue even more prevalent | 20:37 |
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| gordc | so i disabled cache part for now... still trying to debug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1519477 | 20:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519477 in Ceilometer "integration tests fail randomly" [High,Triaged] | 20:38 |
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| annegentle | reed: around? Wanted to chat in real time about the org structure for developer.openstack if you have a moment. Agree with the "but these are all services listings" assessment, need more ideas. | 22:32 |
| reed | sure | 22:33 |
| reed | annegentle, it's a hard problem to solve | 22:34 |
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| annegentle | reed: I'm hear feedback like "that's not written like how a real developer's workflow goes" | 22:34 |
| annegentle | but I'm always uncertain what the workflow really is? | 22:34 |
| annegentle | reed: I'm guessing it's: auth, figure out how to keep authed, find the identities of the resources you need, then do stuff with those. | 22:35 |
| annegentle | reed: could also be, "do your fancy architecture first, then find out what resources you need to build that arch" | 22:35 |
| reed | those seem to be sensible approaches | 22:36 |
| annegentle | reed: in your experience, which one do you see? (of either: auth-first or arch-first) | 22:36 |
| reed | I have been struggling with designing a knowledge base too... | 22:36 |
| annegentle | reed: wi'd ya brother | 22:36 |
| annegentle | :) | 22:36 |
| reed | my ideal approach is a multi-dimensional matrix | 22:36 |
| * reed plays the drums | 22:36 | |
| reed | let me see if I can share an image so we go faster | 22:37 |
| annegentle | sure | 22:37 |
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| reed | ... it's taking forever... | 22:40 |
| reed | one more min | 22:40 |
| reed | there... screw google slides | 22:40 |
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| reed | I give up | 22:40 |
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| reed | so my line of thoughts is to have documents labeled as: | 22:41 |
| reed | - opestack service (like the action is it going to be executed in nova, glance ... etc) | 22:42 |
| reed | - level of depth (is that an action that as a developer you'll likely do as first step into openstack, like authentication on horizon or as an advanced topic, like call the API directly?) | 22:43 |
| reed | - programming language | 22:43 |
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| reed | - SDK | 22:43 |
| reed | and similar things | 22:43 |
| reed | then provide navigation paths for each of those dimensions | 22:43 |
| reed | for example, on the front page you'd have the possibility to have a link to all things python which would lead to an internal page organizing all docs by level of depth | 22:44 |
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| reed | or assemble a page by all things Nova | 22:45 |
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| reed | the ideal I have in mind is developer.facebook.com | 22:46 |
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| reed | developers.facebook.com in fact | 22:47 |
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| reed | they have their documentation organized by product name first, and then by task and depth | 22:47 |
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| reed | so Payments for games is a task, but you can reach it from within the documentation for "Games" | 22:50 |
| reed | and you keep the navigation to the left to jump back to where you were | 22:50 |
| reed | https://developers.facebook.com/docs/games/canvas/payments-tutorial | 22:50 |
| reed | linked from https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments | 22:50 |
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| reed | annegentle, does it make sense? | 22:51 |
| annegentle | reed: reading | 22:53 |
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| annegentle | reed: yes, I like this... so what are the tasks for us? compute, storage, networking classics? | 22:55 |
| annegentle | (the classics) :) | 22:55 |
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| annegentle | reed: and shoe-horn containers and baremetal (heh I always type bare mental) | 22:56 |
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| annegentle | somewhere | 22:56 |
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| reed | Create (edit) a VM, Edit volumes. $do_things with networs | 22:56 |
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| reed | maybe those are the tasks but I'm not super sure about that | 22:56 |
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| reed | another approach for tasks would be: start tomcat | 22:57 |
| annegentle | reed: CRUD (Create, Read, Update, Delete) is pretty classic but you're not really doing all that quite with your resources | 22:57 |
| reed | I haven't looked at Google docs yet... have you? | 22:58 |
| * reed goes and pull his notes | 22:58 | |
| annegentle | reed: sorta like user story (as an app dev I want to deploy my app so that users can access it) vs. epic (app devs need to create, update, deploy apps) | 22:58 |
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| annegentle | reed: oh their dev docs? it's similar to facebook I believe, a series of products that help users acheive goals | 22:59 |
| annegentle | (I can't spell) | 22:59 |
| reed | https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/linux-quickstart | 22:59 |
| reed | Creating VM Instances, Managing Your Instances, Managing Access, Networking, Scaling Your Application, Monitoring Activity | 22:59 |
| reed | those are the high level topics covered by GCE | 23:00 |
| annegentle | reed: yes, then when you expand Additional Tutorials it's scenarios like "Setting up LAMP, Sending email from an instance" nice stuff | 23:00 |
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| annegentle | reed: ok I think that I can revise the outline in the spec then. | 23:01 |
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| annegentle | reed: Creating VM Instances, Managing Your Instances, Managing Access, Networking, Scaling Your Application, Monitoring Activity are exactly what we need | 23:01 |
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| annegentle | reed: plus a navigation system :) But baby steps. | 23:02 |
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| reed | annegentle, yeah, that sounds like a good approach | 23:02 |
| reed | right :) | 23:02 |
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| reed | the content first, then hopefully a publication mechanism that allows for more flexibility than sphinx | 23:02 |
| annegentle | reed: would love that -- not sure how to go about it but sure | 23:03 |
| reed | annegentle, for DreamHost we're going to use zendesk but the content is on .rst format on github... (I didn't pick zendesk) | 23:03 |
| annegentle | heck a wordpress instance | 23:03 |
| annegentle | oh interesting | 23:03 |
| reed | i'll write an article once we go live | 23:03 |
| annegentle | nice. well thanks reed for letting me rubber duck with ya :) | 23:04 |
| reed | no problema, any time | 23:04 |
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| jamielennox | sigmavirus24_awa: hey when you get back can you have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250476/ | 23:38 |
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| jamielennox | sigmavirus24_awa: i'm thinking there should be a way to simply mock at the adapter level rather than have to wrap a session object | 23:39 |
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