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| clarkb | the apache foundation iirc | 13:47 |
| clarkb | http://www.apache.org/dev/apply-license.html#new granted that is for apache foundation software | 13:48 |
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| zigo | cdent: At least, it's not a PROBLEM. Copyrighy holding IS. | 14:38 |
| * cdent nods | 14:38 | |
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| cdent | evidently even raising the topic was somehow bad, zigo | 14:42 |
| * cdent sighs | 14:42 | |
| cdent | too many rules | 14:42 |
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| sdague | cdent: it's the general interpretation of the bern convention mostly, because now copyright is automatic in most countries | 14:56 |
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| cdent | sdague: I'm not sure which point you're responding to? | 14:57 |
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| sdague | <cdent> zigo: I didn't want to derail the thread, but who decided that it is a good for the license to be in every file? | 14:57 |
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| cdent | so copyright is automatic, so not copyright header required, so why license in every file? | 14:57 |
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| cdent | not very DRY! | 14:58 |
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| sdague | because, otherwise it falls back to default, and has all rights reserved | 14:58 |
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| zigo | cdent: You didn't get what sdague wrote. If you don't specify anything, then you own the copyright on something, in a non-free way. | 14:58 |
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| zigo | Though the LICENSE file should be enough (at least, it's enough in most, if not all, distros), having a license header in each files is still recommended. | 14:59 |
| cdent | so even if there's something in the top of the repo that says "all the stuff in her is a) copyright <some org> b) licensed <some license>, we still need all the noise? | 15:00 |
| cdent | This is not the world I want to live in. | 15:00 |
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| zigo | cdent: The point that I'm making, is that we want b), but NOT a). | 15:00 |
| sdague | it's only 12 lines of comments, I guess I'm not sure I see it being a huge issue | 15:00 |
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| zigo | Either that, or set a) to: copyright OpenStack Foundation everywhere, when possible. | 15:00 |
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| zigo | Because it's currently a mess. | 15:01 |
| cdent | sdague: Oh, it's not a huge issue. It's just ... stupid | 15:01 |
| zigo | SOME company retain copyright holding. | 15:01 |
| zigo | Some don't care. | 15:01 |
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| cdent | I have a friend who likes to say RAWIAT (reality aint what I aspire to) | 15:01 |
| sdague | cdent: also, assuming a license file at the top of a directory does kind of assume that everyone got the file by getting the whole directory | 15:01 |
| zigo | cdent: At least for me, it's a huge issue, I get my packages rejected by the FTP masters because copyright holding isn't correct. | 15:02 |
| sdague | vs. wget a random url on the internet | 15:02 |
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| cdent | sdague: sure, but if we could presume "behave like a nice human before you do bad shit" then it wouldn't be an issue ;) | 15:03 |
| sdague | honestly, it's all just about explicitness. The explicitness means if anyone gets weird with lawyers later, it's pretty clear what the intent was | 15:03 |
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| zigo | sdague: Unfortunately, there's dozens of cases in the openstack namespace where we have such license file with some non-apache licensed files. | 15:03 |
| cdent | yes, that is the bug sdague | 15:03 |
| zigo | For example, nature.css (included in many sphinx docs) was not under Apache-2.0. | 15:03 |
| zigo | I am writing "was" because it's gone from most projects. | 15:03 |
| zigo | That's just an example ... | 15:03 |
| dstufft | having a license in each file is nice when someone copies the file out of the project | 15:04 |
| dstufft | license comes automatically, instead of often bing fogotten | 15:04 |
| zigo | Yes, there's that too... | 15:04 |
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| sdague | dstufft: right, which is the wget random file from the internet route | 15:06 |
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| cdent | Is this https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=53195PyvG2QCq6xUmN7DTzjL saying that only 229 people voted of 2610 eligible, or something else? | 17:35 |
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| clarkb | cdent: I think it says 2610 individuals voted out of a voter pool of 22942 individuals | 17:38 |
| cdent | ah, okay | 17:39 |
| cdent | thanks clarkb. it's not what I would call crystal clear... | 17:39 |
| cdent | the weights make it more cloudy | 17:39 |
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| anteaya | yeah I interpret that the same as clarkb, with a voter turnout of 11.38% | 17:41 |
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| flaper87 | annegentle: ping: sorry for the late ping but, is there anything I can help with on the comm WG tasks? | 20:21 |
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| annegentle | flaper87: no worries. I haven't thought about a post in a while with the stuff I've been doing for API | 20:40 |
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| annegentle | flaper87: thoughts? | 20:41 |
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| notmorgan | zigo: you can't assign copyright arbitrarily to the foundation IIRC. | 21:46 |
| notmorgan | zigo: if i remember the history | 21:46 |
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