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openstackgerritOleg Gelbukh proposed openstack/governance: Add fuel-octane and fuel-tuning-box repos  https://review.openstack.org/29138008:08
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance: Fix Mistral and Designate deliverables  https://review.openstack.org/28835608:37
openstackgerritMerged openstack/governance: Horizon plug-ins should not have type:library  https://review.openstack.org/28849508:38
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openstackgerritGraham Hayes proposed openstack/governance: Update designate assert tags  https://review.openstack.org/28951311:45
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openstackgerritSean Dague proposed openstack/governance: Remove rolling-upgrade tag from swift/ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/29233412:06
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openstackgerritJesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/governance: Add Designate role to OpenStack-Ansible Project  https://review.openstack.org/29233512:07
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EmilienMdegorenko, coreycb, jamespage: we've noticed murano packaging might have an issue13:22
EmilienMhttp://logs.openstack.org/62/292162/2/check/gate-puppet-murano-puppet-beaker-rspec-dsvm-trusty/972d2e6/console.html#_2016-03-14_12_39_38_29413:22
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coreycbEmilienM, you may want to poke zigo, we just sync murano from debian13:24
EmilienMcoreycb: ack13:24
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sdaguedhellmann: once you are fully caffinated, I have many sphinx extension questions if you have time13:33
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mattymocoreycb, do you have a status update on fixing heat and openstackclient deployment issues? updating to 2.2.0 works13:34
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coreycbmattymo, sorry I'm not sure what the deployment issues are.  we updated the clients to the upper contraints required for b3 the week before last.  but I can bump a few more if they're buggy.13:36
mattymodegorenko, do you have the openstackclient bug handy? you sent it to me before13:37
coreycbmattymo, we'll likely be bumping some up prior to rc releases, but I can do some earlier if they're buggy13:37
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mattymocoreycb, this is the internal fuel bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/155609713:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1556097 in Fuel for OpenStack "uca deployment fails on heat on secondary controller" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matthew Mosesohn (raytrac3r)13:38
mattymolet me get the right error message.. that's not the current one13:38
degorenkomattymo, looking13:38
degorenko*searching13:38
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mattymocoreycb, the error is: /Stage[main]/Heat::Keystone::Domain/Keystone_user[heat_admin::heat] (err): Could not evaluate: Execution of '/usr/bin/openstack token issue --format value' returned 1: Missing parameter(s):13:42
mattymoSet a scope, such as a project or domain, set a project scope with --os-project-name, OS_PROJECT_NAME or auth.project_name, set a domain scope with --os-domain-name, OS_DOMAIN_NAME or auth.domain_name"13:42
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mattymoif you update openstackclient to 2.2.0, this error goes away and openstack token issue for heat_admin works13:42
degorenkoyes, that's correct, i have same error13:42
EmilienMzigo: please ping coreycb when you updated murano, so coreycb can ping me when repo is updated and I can re-run CI jobs - thanks13:43
zigoEmilienM: Sure.13:43
coreycbmattymo, just openstackclient to 2.2.0?13:43
mattymoyes, but osc 2.2.0 requires glanceclient 2.0.013:44
mattymoso you'll have to bump that too13:44
zigoIt will be ready in a few minutes.13:44
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coreycbmattymo, gotcha, I'll let you know when that's done13:46
mattymocoreycb, thanks!!13:46
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zigocoreycb: I have just uploaded the fixed Murano package, the next dak dinstall run is in 5 minutes, so I guess you can attempt a sync in a very small amount of time ! :)13:46
coreycbzigo, awesome, thanks13:47
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zigocoreycb: I supposed you've hit the PBR not packaging the alembic.ini issue as well, no?13:47
zigoOr it's just me?13:48
coreycbzigo, I don't think I've hit that one yet13:48
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mattymozigo, how about openstackclient 2.2.0 for your trusty mirror? :)13:54
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zigomattymo: I currently have version 2.1.0, but I can upgrade it in a few minutes if you need it.14:01
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zigomattymo: Do you need it?14:01
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mattymozigo, yeah we're doing it for uca too14:02
zigomattymo: Ok, doing it then, I'll ping you when ready.14:02
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dims_anyone have bandwidth to maintain httplib2? http://bitworking.org/news/2016/03/an_update_on_httplib214:11
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bknudsonswitch to requests instead14:25
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dims_bknudson : yes, absolutely +1 from me if folks are willing to do that14:29
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dhellmannsdague : I'm here14:32
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zigomattymo: python-openstackclient 2.2.0 is ready on both my Jessie & Trusty repo, and uploaded to Debian Experimental.14:37
zigocoreycb: Could you sync from Debian in a few hours?14:37
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stevemarzigo: that is excellent news :)14:38
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coreycbzigo, yes will do, just testing glanceclient here. I'll let you know when that's done.14:39
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sdaguedhellmann: ok, I'm trying to do some experiments with the api-site content to figure out if we can just do the whole thing in sphinx. One of the challenges is that parameters today are in tables with a reasonable amount of content.14:44
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sdaguei.e. http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#createServer14:44
sdaguedhellmann: I started playing with a custom sphinx parser to back a bunch of that into something like yaml, and hit some oddities on tables that I'd like to know if there are ways around14:45
sdaguefor reference - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292420/ - some WIP code14:45
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sdagueissues I bumped into, you seem to have to define all the col widths up front, otherwise they end up equally split. I can't seem to figure out how to build a table without the col_spec at all14:46
sdagueand just let html do the right thing14:46
sdaguethe other question is how to process the text of a paragraph as RST before adding it into a cell14:47
sdaguebecause nodes.paragraph(text=unicode(value)) seems to be a litteral pass through14:48
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bknudsonI thought we were switching docs to swagger14:49
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dhellmannsdague : one thing I've started doing is generating rst and then parsing it in the directive, instead of trying to generate the nodes myself directly. Using a list-table directive makes that easier than generating the ASCII art tables14:51
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dhellmannI think you're right about needing to specify the column widths up front. Sphinx supports many output formats, and I think they try not to make assumptions about features of any of them like auto-determining table column widths.14:53
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dhellmannoh, the releases repo has an example of generating a table using list-table14:53
dhellmannyou may also be interested in https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sphinxcontrib.datatemplates as a way to turn yaml to rst without writing code beyond the template14:54
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sdaguebknudson: there are some concerns in that - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-site-in-rst - starting to try to write these bits down15:00
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sdaguedhellmann: the list-table seems to get equally unweildly when you have things like description fields15:01
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sdaguedhellmann: I'll take a look, however I actually think we're going to want to keep code out of the template, because the backend format will probably start as some adhoc "just good enough for these tables" approach, but need a migrartion path to something more structured like swagger / jsonschema15:02
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sdagueand, there is no way you want to manip those in the presentation layer only15:02
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dhellmanntrue15:02
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dhellmannI thought you might edit swagger/jsonschema and then render that15:03
dhellmannbut maybe that's ugly for editing, I don't know15:03
sdagueyeh, I'm not sure either, right now I was mostly trying to just make this a plug interface of the RST will always just have "and now render data about my params here"15:04
coreycbmattymo, I pushed the updates to glanceclient so zigo can upload and I'll sync those and backport to the cloud archive once they're available from debian15:04
sdagueand we start with something simple to get over, then it can chunk off in piecemeal15:04
bknudsonI'm not sure how microversions are going to work on any doc site... a dropdown where you select the version and it renders everything?15:04
sdagueon the column width thing, view-source:http://docs-draft.openstack.org/20/292420/1/check/gate-nova-docs/9c232e5//doc/build/html/rest_api/servers.html - L13415:05
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sdagueit looks like sphinx always explicitly injects colgroup15:05
sdagueI really just want to get rid of that15:05
sdagueeverything would work fine if it wasn't there15:05
sdaguebknudson: the issue is today, we have no tooling where we can experiment with UX here15:06
sdagueif we were primarily RST we could figure out the right UX15:06
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sdaguebknudson: in many cases microversions are new parameters (request or response) so those could be annotated inline. Sometimes they are new resources.15:11
mattymocoreycb, how soon will both packages land in trusty-propsed?15:12
mattymoproposed*15:12
coreycbmattymo, realistically tonight or tomorrow15:13
bknudsonsdague: how many versions are there? I think it'll look pretty messy and be confusing to have it inline.15:13
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sdaguebknudson: we're at 25 now15:13
sdaguemy guess is we'll add about 10 per cycle15:13
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sdaguebknudson: honestly, I don't think it will be that bad, however until we have something flexible enough to experiment with, it will be hard to even know15:14
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bknudsonmocking up some examples would help15:15
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sdaguebknudson: it might. However, we still have a giant infrastructure issue to solve to get ourselves off of WADL soon.15:18
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bknudsonsdague: you're still planning to convert the wadls to whatever?15:20
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sdaguebknudson: how much have you looked into the state of converting wadl to swagger and using that?15:21
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bknudsonsdague: I downloaded the fairyslipper tool... I thought it would be a simple converter but it looks like it's a web server so I didn't get around to running it.15:22
bknudsonso not much.15:22
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bknudsonI looked at the generated swagger for keystone but not enough to have an opinion on whether it was good enough15:22
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sdagueright, so, lets say converting is not simple, and not really complete. And there is quite a bit more work to make that whole.15:23
bknudsonI started working on a WIP to have keystone generate swagger15:23
sdaguekeystone might have a small enough API to make that work, though I think you'll still run into issues on your 'since 3.3' bits15:23
cdentzigo: I've just merged https://github.com/cdent/wsgi-intercept/pull/37 I hope it will work for you. I had asked for some comments but you never produced15:23
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bknudsonyes, we will want to say when a feature was added.15:24
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sdagueright, that's kind of out of scope of the spec.15:24
bknudsonso what's the proposal? start over from scratch and ignore the wadls?15:25
bknudsonor fix up the wadl converter we just don't know what the final format is?15:26
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sdagueconvert the wadls to rst directly15:26
sdaguework with rst as our master format15:26
sdaguechunk out structured data a bit at a time15:26
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bknudsonok, makes sense15:26
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bknudsonif there's anything I can help with I can make some time.15:27
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sdagueok, well right now I'm going to just experiment with possibilities. annegentle is on vacation this week. We chatted about this a bit last week after evaluating where we were15:29
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dhellmannsdague : there's a css suggestion at the bottom of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21027105/how-can-i-have-sphinx-tables-fit-to-width16:39
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sdaguedhellmann: yeh, I could definitely wallop it via css16:50
sdaguejust was hoping I could get the markup never inserted in the first place16:50
dhellmannyeah. I don't know if sphinx does that or docutils. either way it would be nice if there was an option to disable it16:50
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sdaguemaybe once I get more skilled up on this adventure, I'll go looking at upstream enhancement16:52
sdaguethe other question was about processing rst inside table cells16:52
sdaguehttp://docs-draft.openstack.org/20/292420/1/check/gate-nova-docs/9c232e5//doc/build/html/rest_api/servers.html - in the table with 'foo' in it16:53
sdagueI was hoping to figure out a way for the ``AUTO`` to be processed like it is when it's inline16:53
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EmilienMcoreycb, jamespage, degorenko: I don't know what you guys did in Ubuntu repo but all our scenarios are working now17:24
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degorenkoyes \o/17:26
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gordcmriedem: we need a new stable/kilo. did a bad backport.17:36
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mriedemgordc: bad backport?17:37
mriedemgordc: as in released a bad thing?17:37
gordchttps://launchpad.net/bugs/155646917:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1556469 in Ceilometer kilo "The version of oslo.utils not matched between requirements.txt and code" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to zhengyue (zhengyue)17:37
gordchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/263489/17:37
gordcthis patch was backported... but it uses a param from timeutils taht doesn't exist in Kilo17:38
mriedemgordc: how did it pass unit tests? or weren't there any unit tests?17:38
mriedemi see, no unit tests17:38
mriedemtsk tsk17:38
gordcalot of mocked stuff for pollster. ideally we'd have functional tests for it.17:39
gordcprobably something to add now that we have tempest plugin17:39
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gordcmriedem: wanted to check what process for releasing stable is? does it need to match specific release periods?17:40
gordcor can i just create a release in openstack/releases?17:41
mriedemgordc: kilo is still on the mass release model, where the projects all go at the same time17:41
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mriedemgordc: i asked Daviey about that last week because nova merged a security fix on stable/kilo last week17:41
gordcmriedem: k, that's what i figured.17:41
mriedemso there are at least 2 projects that need a kilo release17:41
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mriedemgordc: i'll bring it up in the stable team meeting this afternoon17:42
gordcmriedem: cool cool. yeah, it'd be good to release soon if possible.17:42
gordci have a meeting from 2pm -4pm EST. is that during meeting slot?17:42
mriedemit's at 4pm EST17:43
mriedem#openstack-meeting-417:43
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gordcdarn. no excuse to bail17:43
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mriedemgordc: i don't think you really need to attend17:43
gordc:)17:43
gordcfeel free to ping if necessary then. i should be online17:44
mriedemok17:44
Davieymriedem: Hmm, kilo wouldn't just do a release because it has a sec' fix?17:44
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mriedemDaviey: in general i thought security fixes were triggers for stable releases17:45
Davieymriedem: As in, more regular releases is a new thing... i don't think it was anticipated that the thing would be retrospective to older releases?17:45
mriedemDaviey: i don't think it really is,17:45
Davieymriedem: the old world (which i always thought sucked) was just adhoc dates pre-selelected to be a release17:46
mriedemDaviey: ok, i thought there was some cve trigger in there, but maybe not17:46
mriedemif not, then yeah it's just pre-selected dates17:46
mriedemwhich i agree sort of sucks17:46
DavieyThat kinda breaks the coordinated release thing that kilo did17:46
Davieywith that, we should cut a release for all projects17:46
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mriedemyeah, regardless of whether or not other projects have something to release17:47
mriedemwhich always seemed odd to me17:47
mriedembut they all have the same versions17:47
Davieymriedem: I always wanted each merge to be a release... and consumers (mostly distros) could pick which versiosn they wanted to put on their users.17:47
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Davieyie, one, two, miss a few, 99, 10017:47
mriedemheh, a few being 96 commits17:48
Davieymriedem: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=1+2+Miss+A+Few+99+100 :)17:48
EmilienMcoreycb, jamespage: can we already use "update" and stop using "proposed" ?17:49
gordcthat's a very tame urbandictionary definitino17:49
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coreycbEmilienM, you'll get fixes faster in proposed until we have a final release17:49
Davieygordc: I did read it carefully to make sure it was SFW before sharing :)17:49
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EmilienMcoreycb: do you have ETA on final release? just for my agenda17:50
coreycbEmilienM, as soon as upstream has a final release + a few days17:50
gordcDaviey: :) that's about 1% of urbandictionary. lol17:50
EmilienMcoreycb: ack thx17:50
EmilienMgordc: you here?17:51
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gordcEmilienM: am i suppose to be somewhere else?17:52
gordci can't remember my lies17:52
EmilienM:-P17:52
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ayoungdims, dhellmann I was talking with rcrit about the message bus, and we realized we could not tell from looking inside Rabbit what the name of the queue/topic is that the compute node uses to talke back to the controller18:33
ayounghttp://adam.younglogic.com/2016/03/what-can-talk-to-what-on-the-openstack-message-broker/  is pretty much a dump of my MQ18:34
ayoungI see two queues compute 0  and compute.overcloud-novacompute-0.localdomain 018:34
ayoungand then a  bunch of "replies" listed in the topic section.  Any idea?18:35
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openstackgerritVilobh Meshram proposed openstack/openstack-specs: Delimiter - Cross Project Quota Enforcement and Management  https://review.openstack.org/28445419:30
dimsanteaya : is there language in governance or somewhere that restricts how many hats people wear? (2 PTL positions)19:31
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anteayanot that I am aware19:31
dimsjust checking, looking through governance docs19:31
anteayathis came up before when flaper87 ran for both zaqar and glance ptl19:31
anteayadims: yup, good question19:32
anteayaand he ran for both projects19:32
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anteayanow he didn't win both seats19:32
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anteayabut he was able to run for both at the same time19:32
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dimsanteaya : ah. thanks19:32
anteayaalso there is the tc appointing a ptl of a project without a ptl clause19:33
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anteayawhich doesn't say anything about the appointee and how many hats they already are wearing19:33
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anteayajust that the appointment be mutually agreeable19:33
dimsyep19:33
flaper87dims: anteaya FWIW, I'm working on something around that topic19:34
anteayawonderful19:34
anteayaI don't think there needs to be anything around that topic19:34
flaper87I'll hopefully have something ready soon19:34
anteayabut if you want to work on something wonderful19:34
anteayaapparently mordred is lined up to be packaging-deb ptl and he didnt' even know19:35
anteayaso there are some edgecases starting to crop up19:35
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anteayamostly I believe due to size19:35
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anteayaI think it comes down to personal assessment, how much responsiblity to you feel you can execute19:35
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anteayaand how much can you convince others of this assessment19:36
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dimsanteaya : agree19:40
anteayadims: also I think devstack was its own thing for a while and Dean was the ptl19:41
anteayaas well as being plt of openstack client19:41
anteayaso I do think Dean has the experience of being ptl of two projects at the same time19:41
anteayabut you might want to check with him to confirm19:41
dimsanteaya : ack, i am not concerned, just want to make sure there's precedence19:42
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anteayayup, as far as my reading of the rules is, there is no hinderance to being ptl of more than one thing at the same time19:42
dims++ anteaya19:43
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mriedemanteaya: so i replied to your question,20:05
mriedemand from reading scrollback,20:05
mriedemit sounds like if i don't formally put up a gerrit change for stable PTL and no one else does, then it just defaults back to me right?20:05
mriedemor the TC has to appoint someone20:05
anteayamriedem: I see that20:05
mriedemwhich i guess could be me20:05
anteayamriedem: the tc will appoint someone20:06
mriedemgiven the stable team meeting started 6 minutes ago and i'm the only one there,...20:06
anteayathe likihood your name will come up in conversation is high, yes20:06
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anteayafor exactly those reason20:06
anteayas20:06
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anteayamriedem: if noone stands for a project this resolution is invoked: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/resolutions/20141128-elections-process-for-leaderless-programs.rst20:07
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anteayawhich happened for the first time last fall20:07
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mriedemanteaya: ok, thanks20:08
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anteayahttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-22-20.01.log.html20:09
anteaya20:05:24 <ttx> #topic Handling project teams with no candidate PTLs20:10
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anteayaif you want to read through how the last discussions around that resolution played out20:10
mriedemi have one person i nthe stable meeting so i'm going to run that now20:11
anteayaoooohhhh20:11
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dtroyeranteaya: FWIW, OSC and DevStack as a program did not exist at the same time.  That potential did exist and the conversations around creating the Client Tools program was discussed in Atlanta, with only the "do you have time" reservations expressed.  Nothing was found in the governance that prevents a single person holding multiple PTL positions and I think that is still the case.20:25
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anteayadtroyer: thanks20:25
anteayamy assessment matches yours20:25
dtroyerThe relocation of DevStack under the QA program (at the time) was unrelated to that conversation…more of a result of our experiences20:26
dtroyercool20:26
anteayathanks for clearing up the bit about if you were ptl of both at the same time20:26
anteayayeah, thought so20:26
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anteayaoh I also think Adrian Otto was ptl of two teams at the same time20:39
anteayaMagnum and something else20:40
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thingeedansmith: ping20:42
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anteayamagnum and solum: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190949/420:43
anteayadims_: ^^20:43
thingeedansmith: in the next cross-project meeting I will be bringing up a cross-project spec that has been started by the product working group which captures the use cases https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290977/120:44
thingeedansmith: the hopes with cross-project specs is to have consensus on concepts and existing solutions, so any new openstack project can see how we solve certain problems.20:44
thingeedansmith: I know you have exhausted this subject a bit, but anything you want to add to the spec from a technical point of view would be appreciated.20:45
thingeedulek: ^20:46
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thingeedansmith, dulek: next meeting being tomorrow at 21:00 utc, so after TC meeting.20:47
thingeehttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting#Proposed_agenda20:47
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jdandrea_Is USE_VENV broken in devstack perchance? Trying to stand up heat in standalone mode. It usually works, but not today for some reason. localrc: http://paste.openstack.org/show/490435/21:00
nikhilCourtesy quotas-wg meeting reminder: nikhil, vilobhmm, DuncanT, mc_nair, ninag21:00
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dhellmannayoung : I'm not sure if that's an oslo question or a nova question. sileht or someone else more familiar with oslo.messaging might be able to tell you21:05
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ayoungdhellmann, well, it was your name on the presentation....21:05
ayoungheh21:05
ayoungdhellmann, is it RPC between COntroller and Computer node?21:05
dhellmannayoung : I would think so, yeah. it may be cast from controller->compute but I'm not sure21:06
ayoungugh21:07
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openstackgerritjichenjc proposed openstack/governance: Change mission statement by recent change  https://review.openstack.org/29261021:13
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coreycbmattymo, openstackclient and glanceclient were just promoted to trusty-mitaka-proposed, they still need to build but they'll be available soon21:15
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dims_ayoung : best person(s) would be dukhlov or sileht over on oslo early in the day21:29
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dims_anteaya : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190949/ is just solum, (not magnum)21:32
dims_anteaya : was there something else you wanted to point out?21:32
anteayaif you expand the content inside you will see magnum is alrealy there21:33
anteayathat patch adds solum21:33
anteayaand adrian is ptl of both of those projects when that patch merged21:33
anteayathough he isn't anymore21:33
anteayadims_: do you understand what I mean?21:34
dims_anteaya : ah cool21:35
dims_that's 3 instances :) thanks21:35
anteayawelcome21:35
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openstackgerritGraham Hayes proposed openstack/governance: Update designate assert tags  https://review.openstack.org/28951321:43
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cdentthingee: did you bcc that cross project meeting message? my filters got confused and put it in an unexpected folder21:48
jdandreaI see what's happening WRT http://paste.openstack.org/show/490436/ - the .venv directory is being made in /opt/stack/heat per the suggestion in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/configuration.html#virtual-environments ... but now the directory already exists so a full clone is skipped.21:49
jdandreaPossible bug?21:49
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zigocdent: Thanks for letting me know, I'll try, sorry if I was sloppy. I'm a bit glued to releasing Mitaka in Debian right now! :)22:29
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cdentzigo: no worries, I just had some concerns that my generic solution might be too generic, but that's the one I went with.22:30
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zigocdent: lgtm, I'll test it.22:31
zigocdent: Did you release with it?22:31
cdentyes22:32
zigoCool.22:32
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zigocdent: Added to my todo list.22:33
zigoIt will be done before the Mitaka final.22:33
cdentthanks zigo22:33
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openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/governance: Add stable:follows-policy to Oslo deliverables  https://review.openstack.org/29263322:45
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