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| mriedem | cjschaef: why do we need bandit in novaclient? | 18:17 |
| mriedem | i understand wanting bandit in a service | 18:17 |
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| cjschaef | mriedem: ideally it would be nice to have in each project or library | 18:21 |
| mriedem | i guess python-novaclient is the python binding API that other services, like manila, use, so yeah, probably necessary | 18:22 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: hi, you around ? | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | hi, samueldmq | 20:16 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: I have a question around tuples vs lists in python | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | samueldmq : ok, I'd be happy to try to answer it | 20:16 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: could we have a quick conversation on that ? | 20:16 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: nice, I will state how I understand them, and we may fix what I know if necessary | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | sounds good | 20:17 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: if your set has fixed length, use tuple; if not, use lists | 20:18 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: however there is some semantics behind too: homogeneous vc heterogeneous types | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | that is one criteria, though not necessarily what I would consider the most important | 20:18 |
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| dhellmann | yes, that's more important | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | a tuple is like a record that you select from a database | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | the values are related, but not necessarily the same type | 20:19 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: if homogeneous, use any of them; otherwise, use tuples | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | a list is a collection of things, usually the same sort of object | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | the contents of a list don't need to be unique | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | a set is a collection of unique things | 20:19 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: ++ | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | samueldmq : I think you said that backwards, but the point of a tuple isn't just to make an immutable list so I usually think about how the container is being used rather than whether all of the types of things in it are the same | 20:20 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: makes sense; but in the case they're the same | 20:21 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: may I use either a tuple or a list ? | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | if you have a bunch of values that are all aspects of the same thing, use a tuple | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | if you have a bunch of values that are independent, use a list | 20:21 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: eg https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281305/3/keystone/trust/controllers.py | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | don't think about the types of the values | 20:21 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: hmm; thinking about what they represent is better | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | samueldmq : I would use a set there, actually | 20:22 |
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| dhellmann | but a list of 2 items is also ok | 20:22 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: why not a tuple in that case ? | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | because you're using the object as a container and checking its contents | 20:23 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: ok | 20:25 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: this is something very sensitive, and requires experience to decide what to go with | 20:25 |
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| dhellmann | samueldmq : one way to recognize that pattern is that the order of the contents of the container doesn't matter here. You're not saying "here is a pair of values, the first is the trustee_user_id and the second is the trustor_user_id" you're saying "here are 2 user ids" | 20:26 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: ok so it's homogeneous | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | well, that's true, but that's not the important thing | 20:27 |
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| dhellmann | again, don't think about the types of the values, think about how the container itself is being used | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | a tuple implies a relationship between its contents | 20:27 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: homogeneous in terms of the objects they represent, not in terms of python type(obj) | 20:27 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: ah, that's an important point | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | a tuple says "these things go together, and should stay together" | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | a list is looser, because you can add, remove, and reorder the contents | 20:28 |
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| dhellmann | you're less likely to create a list and assume that the item at index X is always the same item or that it has any relationship to the item at X+1 or X-1 | 20:29 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: I agree | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | the fact that a tuple has __contains__ and __iter__ is useful, but shouldn't lead you to treat tuples like lists | 20:30 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: well, it's a bit clearer to me | 20:32 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: I guess this is something that requires practice | 20:33 |
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| samueldmq | dhellmann: and thinking very well in every case you see | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | yes, I think you're right | 20:33 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: thanks this was a good conversation | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | sure, any time :-) | 20:33 |
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