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| amrith | stewie925_, hello | 00:25 |
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| stewie925_ | hello amrith | 00:25 |
| amrith | still having trouble with assert_called_once_with? | 00:26 |
| stewie925_ | yeah I do, and actually pmalik made some comments to it - let me get the url | 00:26 |
| stewie925_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312611/ | 00:27 |
| amrith | looking | 00:27 |
| stewie925_ | thank you :) | 00:27 |
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| amrith | so let's go to #openstack-trove | 00:28 |
| * amrith walks over ... | 00:28 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/openstack-specs: Delimiter - Cross Project Quota Enforcement and Management https://review.openstack.org/284454 | 00:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/governance: Add trove-image-builder repository https://review.openstack.org/312806 | 01:56 |
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| dims | mtreinish : so WDYT? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312718/ | 02:05 |
| dims | resolution explaining which tests we think defcore should use" | 02:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thingee: auggy: hey, that policy one is the one I was thinking about. Although the plans have evolved since I spoke to you. We have identified we need to separate "am I allowed to do this?" vs "can this system do this?", certainly for the initial prototype. Thats two different sources of data, basically. | 08:23 |
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| dritec | hello guys | 13:59 |
| dritec | as it does to run the test a method in tox | 13:59 |
| dritec | tox -e py27 -- openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/images/images/tests.py:CreateImageFormTests.test_create_image_metadata_docker | 13:59 |
| dritec | like this? | 13:59 |
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| jroll | not quite, it should be the python module path to the test | 14:00 |
| jroll | so e.g. openstack_dashboard.dashboards.project.images.images.test.CreateImageFormTests.test_create_image_metadata_docker | 14:00 |
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| dritec | thank you jroll | 14:01 |
| jroll | np | 14:01 |
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| rcrit | procedure question. I was asked to split a patch in a review. Should I set the gerrit-id to be the same in both patches when I push to the review? | 14:16 |
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| xavierr | good morning guys | 14:22 |
| xavierr | are you guys aware of this: "/opt/stack/devstack/lib/tempest: line 597: /opt/stack/tempest/.tox/full/bin/pip: No such file or directory" | 14:23 |
| xavierr | when stacking it happens | 14:23 |
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| xavierr | the '/opt/stack/tempest/.tox/full' directory isn't been created | 14:25 |
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| xavierr | I solved just going in the '/opt/stack/tempest/.tox/' and running 'virtualenv full' | 14:33 |
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| xavierr | JTLUK | 14:33 |
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| jroll | mtreinish: ^ seen that? sounds related to that thing with the plugins | 14:39 |
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| mtreinish | jroll: we changed where the tox venv lives on disk, the latest devstack should work fine | 14:45 |
| jroll | ah cool | 14:45 |
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| mtreinish | dims: I worked with dhellmann on it :) So i'm generally in favor of it | 14:52 |
| dims | mtreinish : yep +1'ed | 14:52 |
| mtreinish | dims: I think there is other cleanup we should do in the tc around projects used for defcore with modification of: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/tc-approved-release.html | 14:53 |
| mtreinish | but that's a seperate thing | 14:53 |
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| dims | ok, i'ping back in a bit. getting on a "webinar" | 14:53 |
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| mtreinish | dims: sounds like fun :) | 14:57 |
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| mugsie | mtreinish: I have one question about that policy - if say designate was to be included, would we have to re-implement all of our clients, and other boilerplate in the tempest repo again? | 14:59 |
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| mugsie | or would we require designate-tempest-plugin and use the ones created there? | 15:00 |
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| thingee | johnthetubaguy: the part I'm concerned about is the exposing of capabilities. | 15:03 |
| dims | mtreinish : lol i wish | 15:03 |
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| mtreinish | mugsie: I'd assume you'd migrate the clients to tempest.lib and then use the copy from tempest.lib for your plugin and whatever tests live in tempest. But it's all hypothetical right now because I don't see that list expanding anytime soon | 15:05 |
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| thingee | johnthetubaguy, sdague: so is the idea to expose to the end users capabilities you can do with underlying hypervisors that are deployed? | 15:06 |
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| jasond | i'm seeing a neutron bug with floating ips that's causing a lot of failures in the heat gate. looks like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-plumgrid/+bug/1471115 anybody know if this is being worked on? | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471115 in networking-plumgrid "Change status of floatingip upon association and disassociation" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Muawia Khan (muawia) | 15:07 |
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| mugsie | mtreinish: the defcore list? | 15:11 |
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| mugsie | if it is not going to increase in the future, why the need for the policy? seen as everyone currently in def-core is in tempest | 15:12 |
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| sdague | thingee: eventually, yes. The good unit test for this is live resize of guests. Which might not work because the hypervisor you have doesn't do it, or might not work because the operator turned it off because it messes up packing/placement | 15:15 |
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| sdague | but, importantly, that's not happening this cycle. We're just working on permissions evaluation up front, per tenant. | 15:15 |
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| dritec | guys, help me please --> | 15:16 |
| dritec | when I run a test for python 3.4, the tox run all tests ("Tox -e py34 openstack_dashboard.dashboards.project.images.images.tests"). -e py27 performs correctly | 15:16 |
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| clarkb | dritec: that probably means the tox py34 target doesnt pass posargs through for test limiting | 15:17 |
| clarkb | guessing because it already has a whitelist of py34 compat tests | 15:17 |
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| thingee | sdague: aren't we worried what this is going to just lift the burden on app/library developers - who have to make conditionals based on these capabilities. Instead of nova just being the thing that deals with those difference based on action? | 15:17 |
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| mtreinish | mugsie: because there was a desire from some teams to use in tree functional tests for defcore | 15:19 |
| mtreinish | it came up during the qa defcore design summit session which is why we pushed the resolution | 15:19 |
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| sdague | thingee: no, exactly the opposite | 15:24 |
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| sdague | today, the app/library developers get no information about this | 15:24 |
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| sdague | so they do 'os-stop' - 400 | 15:25 |
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| sdague | so they do 'os-pause' - 400 | 15:25 |
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| sdague | so they do 'os-shelve' - 400 | 15:25 |
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| sdague | "gdi, what parts of this API actually do a thing" | 15:25 |
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| sdague | it's not that Nova isn't going to block API calls that are blocked, but actually providing a way to realize none of that is going to work in advance would be a huge step forward for app writers | 15:27 |
| sdague | the Horizon folks have been asking for this exposed over the wire forever | 15:27 |
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| sdague | so they can do things like grey out controls when a thing is not allowed by that user | 15:27 |
| sdague | instead of putting up those buttons and them all just failing | 15:27 |
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| mugsie | mtreinish: OK - I can understand that. I have found that these "plugin for some, hardcode for others" approach problematic in the past, hence my issues with this resolution. | 15:28 |
| thingee | sdague: I really haven't worked on nova in a while so excuse ignorance here, but this sounds like the API nova is exposing just isn't representing the LCD of hypervisors well. If you have some actions that fail... | 15:28 |
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| sdague | it does not only expose the LCD, that's for sure, and that's all been there for a while | 15:29 |
| sdague | however... | 15:29 |
| sdague | the additional axis is that operators can turn things off in policy | 15:29 |
| sdague | which is true for all projects | 15:29 |
| sdague | and they do, when for deployment or security reasons they've decided that certain things can't be supported by them | 15:29 |
| sdague | or in private cloud people allow more to normal users, like live-migration | 15:30 |
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| mordred | yah. it's the API turned off by policy that drives me batty | 15:32 |
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| sdague | mordred: again, predates me, I blame all you early openstack people for that :) | 15:32 |
| mordred | I'd really prefer if apis turned off by policy would return "this API has been disabled for you by the operator" | 15:32 |
| thingee | sdague: I'd like to leave policy part out for this particular discussion. Just because I get what you're saying there and maybe hogepodge has thoughts on how defcore deals with policies in api actions. I'd rather focus on this idea of instead of moving to an API that gives the LCD, we're moving to exposing all these implementation bits that will make clouds different from one another. | 15:32 |
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| sdague | thingee: the whole conversation is about policy | 15:33 |
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| thingee | sdague: fine, but again my early thought of Nova not being the thing that deals with these difference as an abstract layer should. We now expose complexities to the end user of how to deal with 400 errors. | 15:34 |
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| sdague | thingee: we now == we have always | 15:36 |
| thingee | I have not been looking at this problem at all for nova, so I expect there have been long research in how we could solve this in the API that just deemed this the most valid path? | 15:36 |
| thingee | sdague: I get that, I'm saying why not solve the problem at the root instead of continuing the push it down. | 15:36 |
| thingee | to push* | 15:37 |
| sdague | thingee: so, I don't think that conversation is productive at this point, and definitely not in IRC | 15:37 |
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| thingee | if the answer is that users/app/library developers have to look and discover things to even begin using the API, we didn't really solve anything. | 15:39 |
| thingee | ok | 15:39 |
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| sdague | thingee: I'm happy to get into this later in the cycle. It's just there is a ton of committed things we need to do for our users now regardless of how any of that plays out, like having a usable api-ref that explains what's happening. | 15:43 |
| rcrit | bknudson, when you asked to split out part of the patch in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301172 what did you have in mind, a separate review? | 15:43 |
| bknudson | rcrit: yes, if you could do it in a separate review. | 15:43 |
| bknudson | As a reviewer, I didn't like seeing a bunch of changes to other files. | 15:44 |
| bknudson | but I could get over it. | 15:44 |
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| rcrit | yeah, sometimes things get messy | 15:44 |
| bknudson | what I like least was that the '*' argument was removed | 15:44 |
| rcrit | I can try to move the stuff in a way that doesn't break stuff but it also won't be exactly interesting, it won't really _do_ anything | 15:44 |
| bknudson | those are some of the best reviews to do since they're easy | 15:45 |
| rcrit | it's hard to prove it works though | 15:45 |
| rcrit | only that it doesn't break | 15:45 |
| bknudson | without a tls-proxy gate we're all guessing | 15:45 |
| rcrit | there is an experimental gate | 15:46 |
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| bknudson | great, then can show it works. | 15:46 |
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| bknudson | I'm fine either way with this one. | 15:46 |
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| rcrit | there are a couple of failures unrelated to TLS that I'm working on, it's slow going | 15:46 |
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| rcrit | well, all in one is certainly easier for me :-) | 15:47 |
| bknudson | I would prefer that the change to remove the '*' argument done separately. | 15:47 |
| rcrit | to be explicit that we listen only one the interface that Apache happens to listen on? | 15:47 |
| bknudson | I assume the argument was always '*' before? | 15:48 |
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| bknudson | so didn't really need to be there | 15:48 |
| rcrit | yeah, it's the front-host IIRC, so any interface will proxy to the backend <service> port | 15:48 |
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| bknudson | oh, and the order of the arguments changed. | 15:48 |
| rcrit | that doesn't sound like me, I'm usually lazy in that way | 15:49 |
| rcrit | but I can double-check. | 15:49 |
| bknudson | ohh, '*' changed to Q_HOST | 15:49 |
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| rcrit | so what I did was replace '*' with a specific host | 15:50 |
| rcrit | which should be consistent throughout | 15:50 |
| rcrit | in the devstack case it's all in one anyway so multiple NICs don't really come into play | 15:50 |
| bknudson | if the first arg is always the same as the 3rd arg then seems like it would be simpler to not need to pass it twice. | 15:50 |
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| rcrit | and it's all just localhost in the gate | 15:50 |
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| rcrit | like I said, I'm lazy, so didn't change the API. And heck, it's future-proofing? | 15:51 |
| clarkb | rcrit that isnt true | 15:51 |
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| bknudson | rcrit: alright, that explains it well enough for me. | 15:51 |
| rcrit | clarkb, oh? | 15:51 |
| clarkb | we run multinode tests with multiplw interfaces (amd some of the all in ones too | 15:51 |
| rcrit | do you have a test handy? I"ll run it through tox and see what happens | 15:52 |
| rcrit | gate test name I mean, I'll try to dup the config | 15:52 |
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| clarkb | gate-tempest-dsvm-full should have two interfaces | 15:53 |
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| rcrit | ok, I'll take a look | 15:54 |
| clarkb | and gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-full is controller + compute host with mulyiple interfaces each | 15:54 |
| rcrit | ok, thanks for digging those up. I'll see if this will break. | 15:55 |
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| rcrit | bknudson, fyi there is a lib/apache where I'm going to move the mod_ssl/mod_proxy routines | 16:06 |
| rcrit | and twas a good idea | 16:07 |
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| bknudson | rcrit: ok, cool. I think the future work is going to expand on that file some more. | 16:08 |
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| bknudson | I should get to know how the apache startup happens. | 16:10 |
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| bknudson | we'll need it to always be available, maybe it is already. | 16:11 |
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| cdent | mordred: I'm going to hold you to "Everything about this is the best thing that has ever happened since the dawn of time." | 16:15 |
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| mordred | cdent: how could I be wrong about a thing like that? :) | 16:17 |
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| cdent | unpossible! | 16:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance: Add naming poll info for P release https://review.openstack.org/310425 | 16:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance: Add naming poll info for Q release https://review.openstack.org/310426 | 16:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance: Add naming poll info for Q release https://review.openstack.org/310426 | 16:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/governance: Add naming poll info for P release https://review.openstack.org/310425 | 16:26 |
| mordred | oops. more time travel | 16:26 |
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| zaitcev | maybe just name them according to ICAO phonetic alphabet once and for all | 16:29 |
| zaitcev | Papa, Quebec | 16:29 |
| zaitcev | Done, moving on | 16:29 |
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| dritec | clarkb: thank you | 16:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack/governance: WIP - Move LBaaS from neutron stadium into big tent https://review.openstack.org/313056 | 16:53 |
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| hogepodge | thingee: mordred: sdague: the way defcore is enforced a policy can be changed from its default if it's possible to re-enable a required policy for a user. The use case is if you offer trusted and un-trusted levels of access. An api need not be available by default, but it must be available on reasonable request. | 17:01 |
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| hogepodge | mordred: but I agree that it would be nicer to tell the user what's going on. "hunt and peck" discovery is a fail. | 17:02 |
| thingee | hogepodge: not sure I followed your first message. | 17:03 |
| hogepodge | thingee: you can change a default policy to disable an api for some users, but to qualify for the trademark it must be possible to re-enable that api for a user on request. | 17:05 |
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| hogepodge | thingee: a real-world example being image upload being turned off by default, but enabled for trusted users who ask for it | 17:06 |
| thingee | hogepodge: ok, so when defcore tests said cloud, it has to have the ability to enable an api on request for their particular user? | 17:06 |
| hogepodge | thingee: yeah | 17:06 |
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| thingee | hogepodge: got it, thanks for the clarification. sdague ^ | 17:07 |
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| sdague | hogepodge / thingee cool | 17:08 |
| sdague | I think that eventually we'll probably want to get more specific about actions we expect to be true for any user | 17:09 |
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| sdague | which is kind of where the designated sections conversation was 2+ years ago, but I think, honestly, we just didn't have enough of a handle on the axes of our APIs back then to be productive about it | 17:10 |
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| mordred | agree | 17:13 |
| mordred | we were also fighting some proxy battles back then | 17:13 |
| mordred | which I do not think we are fighting anymore | 17:13 |
| mordred | which is GREAT | 17:13 |
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| _alastor_ | Hey folks, in an EOL openstack release if I want to pin the maximum version of a pip package is this best done in the "global-requirements.txt" file in the "requirements" repository? | 21:58 |
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| _alastor_ | Or is there some other place? | 21:58 |
| _alastor_ | I ask because I've been trying to pin oslo.serialization to 1.10.0 and no matter where I set it, the package that gets installed is 2.4.0 | 21:59 |
| _alastor_ | during devstack installation | 22:00 |
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| anteaya | _alastor_: what release are you working with? | 22:23 |
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| _alastor_ | anteaya: icehouse | 22:24 |
| _alastor_ | anteaya: from what I can tell, it seems to be tempest that's the problem since it doesn't follow the same release schedule as every other service | 22:25 |
| _alastor_ | Which means it has requirements that conflict with running an EOL release | 22:25 |
| anteaya | right, tempest doesn't have branches | 22:26 |
| _alastor_ | But the entire point of running this EOL release is to run tempest against it | 22:26 |
| _alastor_ | Because so many of our customers use EOL versions of OpenStack | 22:26 |
| anteaya | so ensuring tempest works with all realeases plus master is one factor in the decision when to eol a release | 22:26 |
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| anteaya | right | 22:26 |
| anteaya | that's a problem | 22:27 |
| anteaya | my suggestion would be to join the #openstack-qa channel | 22:27 |
| anteaya | those are the folks that maintain tempest | 22:27 |
| anteaya | so would be in the best position to understand your question | 22:27 |
| anteaya | it might not be possible to do what you want to do | 22:27 |
| _alastor_ | anteaya: Ok, I'll try there. Thanks for the help | 22:28 |
| anteaya | welcome, I hope you find someway of achieveing your goals | 22:28 |
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| clarkb | you can checkout old versions of tempest | 22:30 |
| clarkb | current tempest isnt exected to work against 2 year old clouds | 22:30 |
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| thingee | clarkb: do we know which tempest version range was used for a release? | 23:15 |
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| clarkb | thingee http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tag/?h=5 the tag itself captures that info | 23:19 |
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| thingee | _alastor_: ^ | 23:20 |
| thingee | cool thanks | 23:20 |
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