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| dims | edleafe : i would like some concrete suggestions that i can add for !python side of things. What can a project do (other than what's already mentioned in the review) to get help? | 13:48 |
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| edleafe | dims: in a meeting right now | 13:49 |
| edleafe | dims: want me to add more to the review? | 13:49 |
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| dims | edleafe : so i mentioned 2 things (talk to cross project team, talk to performance team). what else can folks do? | 13:50 |
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| edleafe | dims: it's not the specific steps; it's the overall impression | 13:53 |
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| edleafe | dims: the doc sounds like using new languages is totally welcome; all you have to do it X | 13:54 |
| edleafe | s/it/is | 13:54 |
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| edleafe | dims: I really feel that it should be clearer that bringing new languages into the ecosystem is strongly discouraged | 13:55 |
| dims | edleafe : i can add more "here's all the things you need to do before you can use X" and i need your help coming with that list | 13:55 |
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| edleafe | dims: but can happen if a solution cannot be found with the cooperation of the Performance Team | 13:55 |
| dims | edleafe : just a general -1 on impression does not help | 13:55 |
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| dims | that's covered in the community spec step | 13:56 |
| dims | and TC should not be involved at that point | 13:56 |
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| edleafe | dims: I would be happy to create a new version to give you an idea of what I'm saying after my meetings | 13:56 |
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| dims | edleafe : i need your help to change this first. you can propose another one later. we have done nothing but discourage any other language so far. it's well ingrained. | 13:57 |
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| dims | edleafe : we already have another resolution we have passed that discourages things | 13:58 |
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| edleafe | dims: link? I don't want to repeat anything | 13:58 |
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| dims | edleafe http://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20150901-programming-languages.html | 13:59 |
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| edleafe | dims: thanks. Got to drop off - got another meeting, and this one isn't listen-mode :) | 14:00 |
| dims | edleafe : i consider that resolution as a "stop, don't do anything other than python" and want to use my resolution as a safety valve | 14:00 |
| dims | ack | 14:00 |
| dims | thanks edleafe | 14:00 |
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| nigelb | I've been playing with jenkins job builder, and I'm very stumped by an issue. | 15:23 |
| nigelb | Is this the right place to ask? | 15:23 |
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| nigelb | This is the job definition: http://dpaste.com/23YG221 | 15:23 |
| nigelb | For whatever reason, when the job starts, the commit that I was hoping would be tested isn't checked out. | 15:24 |
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| clarkb | nigelb: is it checking out master? | 15:29 |
| nigelb | clarkb: Yep. | 15:29 |
| nigelb | It's checking out master tip instead. | 15:29 |
| nigelb | (I've been going crazy all day about this one) | 15:29 |
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| clarkb | nigelb: reading https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Gerrit+Trigger you need to set the git scm strategy to gerrit trigger | 15:31 |
| clarkb | nigelb: does your jjb config do that? | 15:31 |
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| nigelb | clarkb: I don't think so. | 15:31 |
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| clarkb | (I actually don't know if there is magic happening but you could check the output results) | 15:32 |
| nigelb | I'm guessing there's a setting and I missed setting it? | 15:32 |
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| clarkb | ya if you read the link I pasted it has a section on using it with the git scm plugin and apparently picking the strategy is a necessary step | 15:32 |
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| nigelb | yeah, I see that. | 15:32 |
| nigelb | I'm trying to figure out how to get JJB to understand that. | 15:32 |
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| clarkb | nigelb: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/jenkins-job-builder/scm.html#scm.git looks like choosing-strategy there | 15:33 |
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| nigelb | clarkb: omg. | 15:34 |
| nigelb | thank you. | 15:35 |
| nigelb | I did not think to look at scm settings in detail. | 15:35 |
| nigelb | (also, now I feel like an idiot, but I'm very glad I asked) | 15:35 |
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| nigelb | clarkb: That worked. Thank you. I've been "debugging" since yesterday. | 15:42 |
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| edleafe | dims: Added some specific feedback points | 15:44 |
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| dmsimard | dims: Any chance we could have your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340431/ ? It's a release of osc-lib to requirements that fixes ongoing problems. | 15:47 |
| dmsimard | Would appreciate it very much. | 15:47 |
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| zigo | mtreinish: Hi there! When building the tempest package for Debian, I get it to fail in the TestSubunitDescribeCalls test class. | 15:57 |
| zigo | It attemps to Popen subunit-describe-calls, but there's no such file in subunit... | 15:58 |
| zigo | Where is that one from? | 15:58 |
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| zigo | Is this from tempest itself? | 15:58 |
| zigo | Oh, got it ! | 15:59 |
| zigo | Indeed. | 15:59 |
| zigo | I'll blacklist it, since it's not available when testing in my env. | 15:59 |
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| dmsimard | zigo: oh, since you're there | 16:01 |
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| dmsimard | I didn't get your answer last I asked | 16:01 |
| zigo | Go ahead ! :) | 16:02 |
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| dmsimard | Are you going to switch Debian packaging log defaults to systemd/journal someday ? /me hides | 16:02 |
| zigo | dmsimard: That's already done, you just don't know how to configure that ! :) | 16:02 |
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| zigo | dmsimard: It's fully configurable. | 16:02 |
| dmsimard | zigo: really? If I install OpenStack with Debian packaging, there's no /var/log/nova ? | 16:03 |
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| zigo | dmsimard: echo "USE_SYSLOG=yes" >/etc/default/openstack | 16:03 |
| zigo | Done for all daemons... | 16:03 |
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| zigo | You may choose to use individual configuration for all daemons, like for example in /etc/default/nova-api | 16:04 |
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| zigo | Then you can also set USE_LOGFILE=no | 16:04 |
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| zigo | That's in *ABSOLUTELY ALL DAEMONS* ... :) | 16:04 |
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| zigo | They all check /etc/default/daemon-name *AND* /etc/default/openstack, the later having precedence. | 16:05 |
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| dmsimard | zigo: hm, so your default stuff goes in /etc/default/<project> instead of a default config file ? | 16:05 |
| zigo | dmsimard: The fact is that one project config file isn't a good fit for such knobs, because one config file == multiple daemons. | 16:05 |
| dmsimard | so how does that work, does the systemd unit file load /etc/defautl/<project> ? | 16:05 |
| zigo | So this has to be a daemon startup thing. | 16:05 |
| zigo | (ie: command line) | 16:06 |
| zigo | dmsimard: Yup. | 16:06 |
| zigo | dmsimard: Then, if you use journald, it's going to use that instead of syslog, I guess, no? | 16:06 |
| zigo | I'm not very familliar with systemd, but I believe there's a way to configure it to do that. | 16:06 |
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| zigo | All of this is true in both Debian and Ubuntu, since Canonical adopted my startup thing, so they could get systemd & upstart compat out of the box. | 16:07 |
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| dmsimard | yeah.. we're contemplating switching the default to journald logging in RDO land, I guess it's controversial | 16:07 |
| clarkb | zigo: on debian/ubuntu at least I believe the way it works is syslog to journald by default but if you install rsyslog it configures journald to write to syslog like before | 16:07 |
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| zigo | clarkb: Ah ok, good to know, thanks. | 16:08 |
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| dmsimard | zigo: so jamespage's stuff is the same, then 6 | 16:09 |
| dmsimard | ? | 16:09 |
| zigo | dmsimard: They just use openstack-pkg-tools (which I wrote), yes. | 16:09 |
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| dmsimard | zigo: thanks | 16:09 |
| jamespage | ubuntu uses the same tool as debian for generating systemd units | 16:10 |
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| jamespage | that said I don't think we have plans to switch the default to systemd/journald just yet | 16:11 |
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| jamespage | and clarkb's statement is correct about the switch from journald -> syslog if installed | 16:13 |
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| jamespage | also systemd captures stuff prior to syslog starting up I think | 16:13 |
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| zigo | jamespage: You can advise users to use: echo "USE_SYSLOG=yes" >/etc/default/openstack (and same with USE_LOGFILE=no), as I just wrote, so that daemons will be started with --use-syslog instead of --log-file. | 16:15 |
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| zigo | jamespage: No need to do anything else on our level, they can choose. | 16:15 |
| jamespage | yup | 16:15 |
| zigo | Which I think is best, since some users perfer log files, others prefer syslog. | 16:15 |
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| jamespage | I'm happy with our current defaults | 16:16 |
| zigo | The only annoying bit is swift, which no mater what, will use syslog ... :( | 16:16 |
| zigo | Me as well. | 16:16 |
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| grambb | Hi, I was wondering if anybody has experience installing the networking-brocade plugin on Devstack...I can't seem to get mine working | 17:58 |
| anteaya | grambb: hi | 17:58 |
| grambb | hello | 17:58 |
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| anteaya | same question as yesterday, yes? | 17:58 |
| anteaya | it is you, right Graham? | 17:59 |
| grambb | yeah, can't seem to find anybody from the log | 17:59 |
| grambb | yeah | 17:59 |
| anteaya | okay join the #openstack-neutron channel | 17:59 |
| anteaya | are you in xchat? | 17:59 |
| grambb | yeah I am, joined the channel | 17:59 |
| anteaya | great | 17:59 |
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