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| sdague | dims: looks like cassandra-driver 3.6.0 doesn't actually build | 11:04 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349919/ proposed to get past it | 11:04 |
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| dims | sdague : looking | 12:45 |
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| dims | sdague : what error are you getting? (log?) | 12:48 |
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| dims | sdague : 3.6.0 seems to pip install ok on a ubuntu box and on my osx | 12:52 |
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| dims | never mind looking at gate-requirements-integration-dsvm log :) | 12:53 |
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| sdague | dims: yeh, I don't know what's different with local | 13:05 |
| dims | sdague : i do see a message that points to possibly missing headers - http://logs.openstack.org/50/348250/6/check/gate-requirements-integration-dsvm/ff30b69/console.html#_2016-08-02_04_10_08_873663 | 13:06 |
| sdague | dims: could be | 13:06 |
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| mugsie | ttx: you around? | 13:32 |
| mugsie | I was wondering if we could push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342366/ for a week? | 13:33 |
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| mugsie | I have not had a chance to make the requested changes yet, and I think there would be a better debate if the points in the review were fixed before it was debated again | 13:33 |
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| sdague | dims: want to +A https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348250/ and bring us into the brave new world of privsep? | 13:41 |
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| dims | ack. done | 13:41 |
| sdague | dims: \o/ | 13:42 |
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| ttx | mugsie: sure, just put it in WIP and I'll defer it | 13:59 |
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| mugsie | ttx: thx | 14:06 |
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| jcookeman | Hi guys. I keep seeing the same issue when trying to replicate this: https://blog.openshift.com/openshift-3-2-jenkins-s2i-slave-pods/ | 14:14 |
| jcookeman | And that is ErrImagePull when deploying | 14:14 |
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| jcookeman | Error syncing pod, skipping: failed to "StartContainer" for "jenkins" with ErrImagePull: "Get http://172.30.207.75:5000/v2/: dial tcp 172.30.207.75:5000: no route to host" | 14:16 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: just curious, what are the community building activities that the triple-o community is doing? | 14:21 |
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| sdake | jaypipes i don't want to misstate exact activites, can you ask shardy that question? | 14:22 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: no, I'm asking you since you are the one who wrote that they are doing "actual community building" activities. | 14:22 |
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| sdake | ok - let me get back to you then so what i say is accurate | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | sdake: it's pretty clear that you are making a comparison to Fuel, so I'm genuinely curious what the community building activities are that triple-o is doing so that I can relay some advice to Fuel. | 14:23 |
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| mugsie | sdake: jaypipes honestly, I would love to here what they are doing as well - I am not sure what else we can do for designate, and I would love to hear what others are doing | 14:27 |
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| sdake | jaypipes fair enough - as i said I'll get back to you | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | sdake: cheers | 14:28 |
| sdake | mugsie - what would be fantastic is for every team to share their community building activities | 14:28 |
| mugsie | sdake: ++ | 14:28 |
| mugsie | sometimes I feel like I am flailing in the dark a bit :) | 14:29 |
| sdake | mugsie roger - ar eyou the ptl for designate (no offense intended, I honestly dont know :) | 14:29 |
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| sdake | mugsie the diverse affiliation projects either a) got lucky or b) built diversity in from the start or c) combo of both | 14:30 |
| mugsie | sdake: yeah, I am the current PTL | 14:31 |
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| sdake | mugsie there is something to be learned from these projects - any chance you would respond on that thread as the ptl asking for advice as we just discussed in this conversation? | 14:31 |
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| mugsie | sdake: sure - thats a good idea. | 14:32 |
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| sdake | jaypipes I have a list of the community building activities you requested earlier in #openstack-dev that tripleo is undertaking | 17:20 |
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| sdake | jaypipes ping me when your around - dont want to type em in twice :) | 17:20 |
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| anteaya | jcookeman: hi, we are unable to provide support for tools we don't create, perhaps openshift has a support system for their products | 17:23 |
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| jcookeman | @anteaya: yes I put this in the wrong tab :( sorry | 17:23 |
| anteaya | jcookeman: ah okay | 17:24 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: go for it. | 17:27 |
| sdake | so I think the overabundance of owl tshirts at summit was one example | 17:27 |
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| sdake | stickers being another - although fortunately teh foundation has offloaded that work from projects now | 17:28 |
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| sdake | they do a bunch of deep dive technical things to onboard new contributors into the development | 17:28 |
| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-deep-dive-topics | 17:29 |
| sdake | blogging of course helps -> http://tripleo.org/planet.html | 17:29 |
| sdake | the thing that was most noticable to me was their onramping of new devs via their quickstart | 17:29 |
| sdake | https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-quickstart/ | 17:30 |
| sdake | while a bit complex for a quickstart for my tastes, they are working on it | 17:30 |
| sdake | the tripleo cats talk whenever they get a chance at conferences | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | sdake: you mean like this? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/fuel-docs/devdocs/develop/quick_start.html | 17:30 |
| sdake | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-khoXlRAE1w | 17:30 |
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| sdake | i'm not comparing to fuel, i am talking about tripleo | 17:31 |
| sdake | tripleo using community based images for compute nodes -> https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/blob/master/docker/compute-post.yaml | 17:31 |
| sdake | which whether you believe is an ABI or not, is an ABI :) | 17:31 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: no, that's configuration data. | 17:32 |
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| sdake | there is probably more that shardy could add | 17:32 |
| sdake | disagree but dont care to argue | 17:33 |
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| sdake | shardy probably asleep by now | 17:33 |
| sdake | he is in the uk | 17:33 |
| shardy | sdake: Hey, I'm still around, what's up? | 17:33 |
| sdake | moment - let me find where this log started | 17:34 |
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| sdake | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-dev/%23openstack-dev.2016-08-02.log.html#t2016-08-02T14:21:38 | 17:35 |
| sdake | shardy ^^ | 17:35 |
| sdake | ok spent 2 hours finding all those things - gotta get back to work - if you need me ping me | 17:35 |
| jaypipes | sdake: to be clear, I'd like to ensure that you and others treat the Fuel community with fairness. I see quite a bit of innuendo in your posts that Mirantis isn't a "real" community player because Fuel isn't run the same as projects you've personally started. And that opinion is driving a number of tech leads inside Mirantis to want to just say forget it and walk away from community stuff. It's | 17:36 |
| sdake | hope folks appreciate it | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | that attitude that you give off that is destructive in many ways. | 17:36 |
| sdake | i never implied any such thing | 17:36 |
| jaypipes | sdake: this of course all started with the hubbub about fuel-ccp on the mailing list. | 17:37 |
| sdake | i dont know why yo uwould say that | 17:37 |
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| sdake | i offered (at great personal sacrifice) to teach folks in the community how to go from single vendor to diversly affiliated | 17:37 |
| sdake | you think I do that to inuendoize fuel isn't a real community? | 17:38 |
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| jaypipes | no, I think you're mailing list posts about fuel-ccp and the big tent was a very direct way of saying "these guys aren't *really* one of us". | 17:38 |
| sdake | do you realize how hard that goal above is? What I offered? | 17:38 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: this is about the fuel-ccp mailing list post. | 17:39 |
| sdake | trying to help and getting attacked for it | 17:39 |
| sdake | i thought it wass about what tripleo does in the community? | 17:39 |
| jaypipes | it was originally. I changed the topic. | 17:40 |
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| jaypipes | sorry | 17:40 |
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| sdake | this is what you asked: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-dev/%23openstack-dev.2016-08-02.log.html#t2016-08-02T14:23:43 | 17:40 |
| sdake | if you want to insult me do it on the mailing list please | 17:40 |
| sdake | that is all | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | sdake: yes, I absolutely believe that your post about triple-o being actively doing community activities was a dig on Fuel. | 17:41 |
| shardy | jaypipes, sdake: I don't really want to get caught in the middle of this, but I will say that we're doing what we can re community building, and I have no reason to doubt other projects are doing likewise - it is tough attracting diverse contributors tho, especially in the deployment space | 17:41 |
| sdake | sorry shardy i thought the topic was different then it really was | 17:41 |
| shardy | jaypipes: FWIW I'm totally open to discussion on ways to collaborate better between Fuel, Kolla, TripleO and other efforts | 17:41 |
| shardy | I think we all have challenges and it'd be good if we could somehow focus on common problems and solve a subset of them together | 17:42 |
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| jaypipes | shardy: I am as well. What I don't care for is when I see ML posts that imply that just because Fuel devs decided to take a different direction than kolla/kolla-k8s, that somehow that is anti-community. | 17:42 |
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| shardy | jaypipes: ack, well that's the part I don't want to get caught up in, I have no dog in that fight other than a desire to see more collaboration in general around deployment problems. | 17:45 |
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| jaypipes | shardy: ack, and no disagreement there. | 17:46 |
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| sdake | shardy fwiw i'd like to see more collaboration as well | 17:48 |
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| sdake | kolla works often with osad | 17:49 |
| sdake | less so with tripleo - but we try :) | 17:49 |
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| shardy | sdake: we're using kolla images already, and there's quite a few folks actively contributing to both communities | 17:50 |
| sdake | jaypipes word of advice - don't make this personal - i let things roll off but others in the community not so much | 17:50 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: O | 17:51 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: I'll keep that in mind, thanks. being a newbie to the open source community, I appreciate that. | 17:52 |
| sdake | you are not a newbie and i was not implying such | 17:52 |
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| sdake | your highly experienced - that is why your speaking rather then others ;-) | 17:52 |
| sdake | enjoy | 17:53 |
| jaypipes | sdake: I will try to keep this non-personal, but it's a bit tough. will try though. | 17:53 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: maybe I'm just grouchy from not eating enough today, not sure. I'll probably be in a better mood tomorrow; sorry if I'm snipppy today. | 17:56 |
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| sdake | shit happens | 17:57 |
| sdake | hae meeting in 3 minutes - gotta roll | 17:57 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: I'm quite sensitive to statements or implied language that Mirantis isn't a good community player for one reason or another. I've tried hard over the last 2.5 years to move Mirantis into more of an open model, and feel it a personal failure when things aren't perceived that way. | 17:58 |
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| jaypipes | sdake: so apologies for snapping and indeed taking it personally. | 17:58 |
| sdake | i see that makes sense | 17:59 |
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| sdake | even though I didn't imply anything | 17:59 |
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| cloudnull | jaypipes: +1 - [IMHO] - Fuel should be free to go in a different direction and still be a member/shepard of community which I believe was part of the intent of the "big tent". | 18:01 |
| cloudnull | I've no dog in the fight so thats just my 2cents. | 18:02 |
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| cloudnull | For context Kolla did a similar thing with back in the Kilo cycle with their ansible playbooks when they became a deployment project from an contianer image pipeline project. That was approved by the TC then even though it was in a parallel work stream to OpenStack-Ansible. | 18:06 |
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| sdake | cloudnull i dont think you saw me argue that fuel didn't have a right to innovate - in fact i argued they do have a right to innovate | 18:09 |
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| cloudnull | jaypipes: So with the precedence already set I think you should be able to go and do your own thing without impunity. | 18:10 |
| cloudnull | again, just my 2 cents. | 18:11 |
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| cloudnull | sdake: I never stated you said that, I'm simply providing MHO. | 18:12 |
| sdake | cloudnull roger | 18:12 |
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| cloudnull | 's/without impunity/with impunity/' | 18:15 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann notmorgan flaper87 u want to be core in err2d2 (the errbot bot stuff) | 18:18 |
| harlowja | need some cores, ha | 18:19 |
| harlowja | free core | 18:19 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:19 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : sure | 18:19 |
| harlowja | ok, gotta figure out why i can't add cores, ha | 18:19 |
| harlowja | maybe fungi can :-P | 18:19 |
| fungi | harlowja: yep, i can and am happy to | 18:19 |
| harlowja | k, i think notmorgan flaper87 may be interested | 18:19 |
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| fungi | infra project core teams are a delegation of the infra ptl, so it's my duty to okay their addition | 18:20 |
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| harlowja | cool | 18:20 |
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| harlowja | wfm | 18:20 |
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| fungi | harlowja: i've added dhellmann. if notmorgan or flaper87 speak up here as wanting to core review it vs just contribute patches, i'm happy to add them as well | 18:22 |
| fungi | let me know | 18:23 |
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| harlowja | cool, thx fungi | 18:26 |
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| notmorgan | harlowja: not really, sorry. have enough things to keep track of. | 18:33 |
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| harlowja | k | 18:33 |
| notmorgan | i'm trying to not take on more things (and get rid of things on my plate actually) | 18:33 |
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| flaper87 | harlowja: add me | 19:23 |
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| flaper87 | fungi: ^ | 19:34 |
| fungi | harlowja: flaper87: done | 19:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: add ocata goal "support python 3.5" https://review.openstack.org/349069 | 19:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: describe a process for managing community-wide goals https://review.openstack.org/349068 | 19:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: add ocata goal "switch to oslo libraries" https://review.openstack.org/349070 | 19:37 |
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| flaper87 | fungi: danke | 19:37 |
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| jamielennox | rcrit: hey, i was looking at your keystone-apache-USE_SSL patch and i don't really like the way devstack is handling those vhosts and config and am a bit concerned that just adding the new vhost config makes the problem worse | 19:48 |
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| jamielennox | rcrit: anyway so i added a couple of patches to devstack finishing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350248/ that i'm hoping improve things | 19:49 |
| kfox1111 | cloudnull: for a bit more context, I think openstack-ansible vs kolla thing is very different in that one uses lxc fat containers and the other uses docker thin containers. These are two very different archetectures. while fuel ccp and kolla-kubernetes are the same archetecture. they both use kuberenetes to manage docker thin containers. | 19:49 |
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| jamielennox | rcrit: do you want to have a look and tell me if they work for you? I marked the SSL one WIP for now | 19:49 |
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| rcrit | jamielennox, sure. I'm not a huge fan of the vhosts either | 19:50 |
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| rcrit | jamielennox, so apache would need to be an SSL-enabled service? Would that be obvious to anyone? | 19:52 |
| jamielennox | rcrit: right - i'm not sure, but at the moment it doesn't work at all so we get to make some stuff up here | 19:53 |
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| rcrit | I'd be able to comment better if I could figure out what %$$#@ branch I have that code in :-( | 19:53 |
| jamielennox | but once you have horizon + keystone + others all running behind the same vhost i don't think you ahve a choice | 19:53 |
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| rcrit | yeah, I'm doing flips in the tls-proxy method for the same reason | 19:54 |
| rcrit | the problem is that no one service owns port 80 | 19:54 |
| jamielennox | yep | 19:54 |
| rcrit | wait until you see my horrible sed in the tls-proxy patch! | 19:55 |
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| jamielennox | and looking at the existing apache config i think its worse than that | 19:55 |
| jamielennox | because keystone defines /identity outside a vhost does it become available within every vhost port? | 19:55 |
| rcrit | I think so | 19:56 |
| jamielennox | it would at least become available in port 80 and 443 - and IMO if we're testing TLS i don't want it on port 80 at all else something uses it directly | 19:56 |
| rcrit | right, for TLS we need a redirect from 80 to 443 in all cases | 19:56 |
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| rcrit | I've been trying to avoid a wholesale VH change but yeah, it may be necessary | 19:57 |
| jamielennox | for testing i'd kind of like it to explode if something hits 80 in a TLS test | 19:57 |
| jamielennox | well yea, so these patches are a wholesale vhost change | 19:57 |
| rcrit | that's a good point | 19:57 |
| rcrit | horizon still owns 80 once it is configured | 19:57 |
| jamielennox | you see the second patch? | 19:58 |
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| jamielennox | 80 becomes global, horizon still owns the logs because someone has to and it's currently broken in that way anyway and i don't know how to fix that | 19:59 |
| rcrit | oh, I just submitted a similar change to lib/horizon cleanup, except there is no call to the function at all (I added it to clean.sh) | 19:59 |
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| rcrit | jamielennox, at first glance this approach looks good | 20:01 |
| rcrit | it is going to blow up a lot of work I've done but I'm used to that ;-) | 20:01 |
| jamielennox | rcrit: heh - sorry | 20:01 |
| jamielennox | i was trying to help | 20:01 |
| rcrit | it is | 20:02 |
| rcrit | we're both lurching in the same direction anyway | 20:02 |
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| rcrit | jamielennox, hard to follow flipping back and forward between two patches but does the VH config get added to the SSL VirtualHost? I wonder if you should include the http config into the ssl listener the same way | 20:07 |
| rcrit | e.g. the aliases and location config | 20:07 |
| jamielennox | so the first one sets up the structure, the second one puts things only in the ssl folder if it's enabled | 20:08 |
| jamielennox | so when apache ssl is on things go into ssl-enabled instead of http-enabled | 20:08 |
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| rcrit | ok, that makes sense. | 20:10 |
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| rcrit | I'll see about getting my branches in order and doing a proper review, but it looks like a way forward for the pure SSL case. I'll need to see what this does to proxying, if anything. | 20:11 |
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| jamielennox | i don't think it does anything to proxying, there's a catch there that says USE_SSL and tls-proxy are mutually exclusive | 20:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/governance: Add missing docs links for QA projects https://review.openstack.org/350270 | 21:03 |
| mtreinish | annegent_: ^^^ just filling in the missed ones | 21:03 |
| annegent_ | mtreinish oh good! Yeah I scraped but was sure I didn't catch everything (or didn't know what to do with some URLs) | 21:04 |
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| mtreinish | I hope I got all of the QA projects, I might have missed one too | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Adds a docs: URL entry to projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/316396 | 21:06 |
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