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| openstackgerrit | Yuval Brik proposed openstack/governance: Change Smaug to Karbor https://review.openstack.org/353278 | 07:32 |
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| sravani | hi all can we add our disks sdb and sdc while configuring swift through devstack | 11:04 |
| sravani | pls someone helkp | 11:04 |
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| sravani | hi all can we add our disks sdb and sdc while configuring swift through devstack | 11:15 |
| sravani | any one around here | 11:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Szukiełojć proposed openstack/governance: Add project murano-pkg-check to Murano-tent https://review.openstack.org/353900 | 11:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anne Gentle proposed openstack/governance: Places neutron docs references with corrected repositories https://review.openstack.org/354121 | 14:37 |
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| dims | andreykurilin : what's up?! | 16:07 |
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| andreykurilin__ | dims: just wanted to ask you to look at one patch:) | 16:09 |
| dims | andreykurilin : which one? | 16:09 |
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| andreykurilin__ | dims: this one https://review.openstack.org/353461 | 16:10 |
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| andreykurilin__ | It has already +1 from keystone core and one +2 | 16:11 |
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| dims | andreykurilin__ : +2A (fyi there's #openstack-requirements for requirements chatter, we have a new PTL too! tonyb ) | 16:12 |
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| andreykurilin__ | dims: thanks | 16:14 |
| andreykurilin__ | dims: I even took part at the election:) | 16:14 |
| dims | nice :) | 16:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stuart McLaren proposed openstack/governance: Update Glance mission statement https://review.openstack.org/354053 | 16:24 |
| ecksun | I have a 8 line patch to jenkins-job-builder, is the only way to contribute to that project by going through ALL the steps in the developers guide on docs.openstack.org ? | 16:25 |
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| stevemar | spzala: yay https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352126/ | 16:45 |
| spzala | stevemar: Yup :-) Awesome!! | 16:46 |
| spzala | stevemar: we were just talking about it in heat-translator channel | 16:46 |
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| spzala | stevemar: may be in future we need to move to use of "ht" :-) | 16:49 |
| spzala | stevemar: similar to "tp" | 16:49 |
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| stevemar | spzala: hehe, sorry for the crappy name, it was the shortest i could think of :P | 16:51 |
| stevemar | it was whatever i thought of first | 16:51 |
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| spzala | stevemar: lol np at all with name, that was perfect actually | 16:53 |
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| jasond | does anybody know why the gerrit status is "needs verified" when it says +1 next to verified? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339837/ | 18:42 |
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| jroll | jasond: see related changes on the right, that commit is on top of another one that isn't approved yet | 18:43 |
| jasond | jroll: ah, forgot about that. thanks! | 18:44 |
| jroll | yeah np :) | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | ecksun: yes that is our development workflow: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#account-setup | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | ecksun: all of our canonical git repositories are hosted on our gerrit instance | 18:48 |
| anteaya | ecksun: many of our process are automated which is how we have been able to grow so large as a development communtiy and remain functional | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | ecksun: I can understand from your perspective that you feel our workflow is overkill and we should have a back door | 18:49 |
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| anteaya | but we have been able to maintain code quaility simply because all code submissions follow this process | 18:49 |
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| anteaya | ecksun: do ask in here or in #openstack-infra if you want any help navigating our workflow | 18:50 |
| anteaya | ecksun: when you are setting up your accounts, follow all the steps in the instructions precisely | 18:50 |
| anteaya | some folks think we don't mean what we say in the guide, and we do | 18:50 |
| anteaya | feel free to ask questions | 18:50 |
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| ecksun | anteaya, all of the automation is awesome | 19:13 |
| ecksun | what isn't is the fact that I had to sign up to three different systems and read and agree to more than a dozen documents, which included giving my personal details more than once | 19:13 |
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| ecksun | in fact, the guide itself wasnt that bad once I got past the account signup phase, which btw took me about one hour | 19:16 |
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| ecksun | I would love it if there were some way of skipping everything but gerrit and simply submit my changes under a suitable license instead | 19:18 |
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| anteaya | so would we | 19:22 |
| anteaya | unfortunately no such option exists | 19:22 |
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| ecksun | why is that? | 19:23 |
| anteaya | lawyers | 19:23 |
| ecksun | well, thats hard to argue with | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | we have found it hard to do so | 19:24 |
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| ecksun | but I have a hard time seeing how there is no license that is compatible with openstack's interest | 19:24 |
| ecksun | as in, public domain for example | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | well if you really want to spend the time on it | 19:25 |
| anteaya | lists.openstack.org | 19:25 |
| anteaya | there is a legal discuss mailing list | 19:25 |
| anteaya | you might find it entertaining | 19:25 |
| ecksun | no, I dont, I'm quite fed-up already :( | 19:25 |
| anteaya | that is what I thought | 19:25 |
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| ecksun | thats probably the wrong choice of words, but anyway | 19:25 |
| anteaya | I can wait if you want to choose other words | 19:25 |
| ecksun | my belief is that you would gain a lot of contributions if the workflow was simpler | 19:25 |
| ecksun | anteaya, disharted? | 19:26 |
| anteaya | we believe the same | 19:26 |
| anteaya | disheartened is a word I would believe | 19:26 |
| ecksun | well, yes | 19:27 |
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| ecksun | discouraged is perhaps even better | 19:27 |
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| anteaya | I would also believe that word | 19:27 |
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| ecksun | but even disregarding the legal issues, having three different systems to register for is something that can be improved without lawyers | 19:29 |
| ecksun | whats the relationship between canonical and openstack? | 19:29 |
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| anteaya | when I said canonical git repositiories I meant it in the single source of truth meaning | 19:30 |
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| anteaya | canonical is one of the companies that have developers working on openstack | 19:31 |
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| ecksun | yes, well, I was rather talking about the sign-up process, I had to signup for ubuntu one | 19:31 |
| anteaya | but that has nothing to do with our single source of truth repos being on gerrit | 19:31 |
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| anteaya | we use ubuntuone for our single sign on | 19:31 |
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| anteaya | since our repos use lanuchpad for bug tracking | 19:32 |
| anteaya | and started as bzr repos before we moved to gerrit | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | way back in time | 19:32 |
| ecksun | okay, so its just for convenience | 19:32 |
| anteaya | or inconvience, depending on how you look at it | 19:32 |
| ecksun | :) | 19:32 |
| anteaya | many of our workflows have vast historical reasons | 19:34 |
| anteaya | which you are welcome to splunk to your heart's content | 19:34 |
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| anteaya | there are many archives | 19:34 |
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| anteaya | and many only make sense from the context of when the decision was made | 19:35 |
| ecksun | I have seen that | 19:35 |
| anteaya | and don't make sense now | 19:35 |
| anteaya | yup | 19:35 |
| anteaya | much reading if you want it | 19:35 |
| ecksun | as long as its code I'm reading | 19:35 |
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| ecksun | btw, just curious, how do you like working with the gerrit model of development, that is one commit per feature compared to feature-branches ala most github projects? | 19:36 |
| anteaya | there is lots of that oo | 19:36 |
| anteaya | too | 19:36 |
| anteaya | I like it | 19:36 |
| anteaya | as one commit can take months to merge | 19:37 |
| anteaya | but it won't hold up other patches | 19:37 |
| anteaya | like it would if they were all in branches | 19:37 |
| ecksun | why would branches hold other patches up? | 19:37 |
| anteaya | since you never know which way the wind is blowing about what patch gets reviewers attention and happiness and what doesn't | 19:37 |
| anteaya | ah, I see | 19:38 |
| anteaya | well for testing we have a branch structure | 19:38 |
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| anteaya | and we assume branches named after releases and master | 19:38 |
| anteaya | all our automated testing assumes that | 19:38 |
| ecksun | okay | 19:38 |
| anteaya | folks that do something else have to navigate the automation that expects master and release name branches | 19:39 |
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| ecksun | what I always have been concerned about is commits becoming very big and difficult to follow | 19:39 |
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| jroll | ecksun: if you have a branch with multiple commits and submit that, it will put them in a dependency chain with one review per commit | 19:41 |
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| jroll | so often features turn into a multi-patch chain, but because they're separate reviews we know each passes tests on its own (valuable for continuous deployment folks and git-bisect) | 19:42 |
| anteaya | thanks jroll | 19:42 |
| ecksun | aha! | 19:42 |
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| ecksun | that makes a lot of sense | 19:42 |
| anteaya | ecksun: I have to move off onto other things, feel free to ask questions of others, enjoy your chat | 19:42 |
| jroll | anteaya: np, apologies if I'm talking over you there :) | 19:42 |
| ecksun | anteaya, alright, thanks and have a nice day! | 19:43 |
| anteaya | jroll: no no no, not at all, I need to switch gears, as always grateful for your contribution to the discussion | 19:43 |
| anteaya | ecksun: thanks you as well | 19:43 |
| jroll | cool :) | 19:43 |
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