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sdague | nikhil: any chance for hitting this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355960/ so glance logs aren't always full of stack traces | 14:19 |
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nikhil | sdague: done. we'd be able to get that in today. | 14:20 |
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stevemar | mriedem: "The great deproxification of novaclient" | 14:37 |
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stevemar | mriedem: thank you for finally (starting the process of) removing crud that has been in novaclient since openstack was only the nova project | 14:38 |
stevemar | it only took 6 years, woo | 14:38 |
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sdague | stevemar: keystone debug log issue | 14:40 |
stevemar | gdi | 14:40 |
stevemar | sdague: details? | 14:41 |
dstanek | sdague: i've heard that | 14:41 |
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sdague | apparently, on every token get, there is a debug log entry for every possible revoke? | 14:41 |
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sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/a663b0a/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz#_2016-08-16_12_58_37_506 | 14:42 |
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dstanek | sdague: stevemar: yes. i think the success logging can be removed | 14:42 |
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sdague | which now makes keystone logs 58M | 14:42 |
sdague | gzipped | 14:42 |
sdague | which is at least 10 times the size of anything else in the system :) | 14:43 |
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mriedem | oh awesome, our elk internally is indexing debug logs from the services.... | 14:43 |
sdague | mriedem: good luck with that | 14:44 |
mriedem | i also don't have control over the index config.... | 14:44 |
dstanek | i was thinking of just doing this https://review.openstack.org/355989 to help | 14:45 |
ahale | there was a time openstack was only nova project ? | 14:45 |
dstanek | but that still makes debugging not ideal | 14:45 |
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stevemar | sdague: okay, should be an easy fix | 14:50 |
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sdague | dstanek: it's actually L287 that's the issue I think | 14:50 |
stevemar | dstanek: did you want to remove the success log? i'll quick approve (i'm OTP booking travel) | 14:50 |
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sdague | I'm still downloading the keystone log, up to 315MB uncompressed... and going | 14:50 |
sdague | also, realize, this isn't even a full dsvm run, cells blacklists a ton of tests | 14:51 |
dstanek | stevemar: no, not yet | 14:51 |
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sdague | we did define the different TRACE level for stuff like this | 14:52 |
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dstanek | sdague: would it be better to move to that? would be an easy change | 14:52 |
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sdague | dstanek: don't know | 14:53 |
sdague | do you really need all this? | 14:53 |
sdague | it seems like its basically 100% unusable in a real world | 14:53 |
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sdague | 468MB and counting ... | 14:54 |
openstackgerrit | Stuart McLaren proposed openstack/governance: Update Glance mission statement https://review.openstack.org/354053 | 14:55 |
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dstanek | sdague: it's really for debugging. without it it's nearly impossible to see what revocations are not being matched | 14:56 |
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dstanek | i would maintain a local patch that turned this on/off when debugging before this got merged | 14:56 |
sdague | well, my suggestion then is to put it behind a conf option | 14:57 |
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dstanek | so not trace either? | 14:57 |
sdague | I don't know, I just know that until these all go away I can't debug anything about keystone | 14:57 |
sdague | because I can't access any of the logs | 14:58 |
sdague | because they are too giant | 14:58 |
sdague | 635M... and counting | 14:58 |
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sdague | it seems like if the concern is that revokes aren't right, there should be something that keeps track internally and dumps a periodic audit. Or a per request flag to get that request which you think should fail to dump it out. | 14:59 |
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sdague | hmm... after 660MB the connection reset, I don't know if it is recovering or not | 14:59 |
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dolphm | sdague: can we undeprecate oslo.log's verbose option? because this would be the correct use case for it | 15:03 |
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sdague | dolphm: it really wouldn't be | 15:03 |
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sdague | verbose moved from warning -> info | 15:03 |
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dstanek | so basicaly there really isn't a way for a developer to do debug logging to get details of a request | 15:07 |
dolphm | sdague: yeah, i don't think the current implementation of verbose is particularly useful | 15:07 |
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sdague | dstanek: that's what I was saying, it seems like you want this for an individual request | 15:08 |
sdague | in which case it shouldn't be an always on thing | 15:08 |
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sdague | it should be something about the request which asks for detailed trace of *just that one request* | 15:08 |
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sdague | because, the way this is now, basically everyone is going to have to turn off all debug logging in keystone always. | 15:09 |
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lbragstad | sdague I like the individual request idea | 15:16 |
lbragstad | that would be interesting | 15:16 |
lbragstad | and helpful | 15:16 |
sdague | there are 1.1 million lines of "revocation event does not match the project ID" in a 24 minute test run, just to be clear of the scope of how big a flood this is | 15:16 |
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sdague | 2427798 - number of DEBUG lines from keystone.models.revoke_model. Number of DEBUG lines from the rest of keystone - 29191 | 15:18 |
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cdent | sdague: wtf | 15:21 |
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sdague | it's a pretty recent phenomenon - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353742/ | 15:22 |
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sdague | so, dstanek, to be clear ops have said repeatedly they are running at DEBUG level because INFO logging isn't sufficient for most to handle their issues | 15:23 |
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dstanek | sdague: that's something that has to change for keystone because i think debug logging is insecure | 15:24 |
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sdague | dstanek: well, that's a whole other beast | 15:24 |
sdague | I'm telling you what people have expressed as their defaults | 15:25 |
sdague | ok, I submitted the revert here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356010/ | 15:25 |
dstanek | sdague: is there anything that documents what is missing from info? | 15:25 |
sdague | dstanek: this is just what has been captured at every ops session on logging that I've attended (summit / ops meetup) | 15:25 |
sdague | I can go dig up old etherpads, but that's probably where it's written down | 15:26 |
dstanek | sdague: i can see if i can dig it up. i'd like to just fix that | 15:26 |
sdague | dstanek: it's culture, you aren't going to fix it until people believe that in all services they have everything they need to run at INFO | 15:27 |
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sdague | this was part of the logging standards initiative, make the logs useful enough at INFO that people don't feel they are screwed if they don't run at debug | 15:27 |
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sdague | but, it's changing culture | 15:27 |
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dstanek | sdague: yeah, users are users, but at least i'll be able to say keystone has everything it needs to run on info | 15:27 |
sdague | so it takes a really long time | 15:27 |
dstanek | it's sorta terrible that things that shouldn't be in production logs are getting into them | 15:28 |
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sdague | dstanek: sure. But, as seen here, logging ends up being a complete fight all the time. Because you can't go back in time to get the info that you wanted later to debug the thing that went wrong. | 15:30 |
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sdague | anyway, it would be good if we could get the revert through quick | 15:31 |
stevemar | sdague: +2/+A | 15:31 |
stevemar | cc dolphm: ^ | 15:31 |
stevemar | dolphm: youre gonna have to rework that patch a bit :) | 15:32 |
dolphm | stevemar: ack | 15:32 |
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dolphm | stevemar: sdague: i'm hoping to invest a bunch of time into logging during ocata fwiw | 15:33 |
sdague | dolphm: awesome | 15:33 |
sdague | dolphm: so, I think the use case you tripped here is actually another one around dynamic logging that I brought up before, but didn't have something so concrete on. | 15:34 |
dolphm | sdague: dynamic logging? | 15:34 |
sdague | dolphm: ways that you can change the logging at runtime without service restart | 15:34 |
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lbragstad | sdague is that what you meant when you mentioned logging specific things per request? | 15:35 |
sdague | which, for instance, with new oslo.config / oslo.log you can change the debug flag, sig hup, and it takes | 15:35 |
sdague | lbragstad: it would be a slightly different thing than that even | 15:35 |
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sdague | dolphm: so, what was the missed information you were trying to catch. Was it a known project / user should have been revoked, but didn't seem to be? | 15:36 |
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sdague | I'm also wondering if this patch was part of the odd glance auth failures that I was seeing, as keystone might is probably flat out writing log messages, and not have any children free to handle requests | 15:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/governance: Move os_gnocchi & os_magnum roles into the OSA deliverable https://review.openstack.org/356023 | 15:46 |
dstanek | sdague: just generally. why isn't this getting revoked? we are having a ton of cache issues that we are trying to fix | 15:46 |
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sdague | dstanek: ok, so in those cases, would the per request trigger give you what you need? | 15:51 |
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dstanek | sdague: probably. i could also do something in unit/functional test setup to do this too | 15:52 |
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sdague | yeh, if it's only needed on the unit test side, it would be better to just build some tight testing there | 15:54 |
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sdague | so, it's not really possible to link to, because the logs take minutes to get to the point in question, but there is an instance of this in the logs for that failed run | 15:55 |
sdague | 2016-08-16 13:32:29.008 19573 WARNING keystone.common.wsgi [req-2a17fe49-e1f6-49f7-bb25-cbe03cd149ff 6d4b023b631a488e965bf0355f69fa22 c5b37637444143ff823ad3fecf7e0fdd - default default] Could not find token: 66aa3a09f0794708a7355b15f54c6027 | 15:55 |
sdague | and nothing that seems odd there otherwise | 15:55 |
sdague | that's litterally the only instance of that string in the 1G of logs | 15:56 |
sdague | so I don't even know when that token was allocated | 15:56 |
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mriedem | harlowja: i was going to request a privsep 1.12.0 release to get the logging fix in, there is a g-r update and a simple py35 change if you wanted to also lump those in with the release? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.privsep+status:open | 16:02 |
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SpamapS | sdague: hey, I was surprised to see you say you think we could get full stack tests passing before unit tests. Are the unit tests really just super anti-python3 for some reason? | 16:38 |
sdague | SpamapS: because mox | 16:39 |
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sdague | we have seen really weirdo races with mox under python 3 | 16:39 |
sdague | where mox doesn't do the thing it says it will do | 16:39 |
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sdague | which, shouldn't be too surprising. mox does lots of cleverness under the covers with function tracing, and was force ported to python3 by morazi | 16:40 |
sdague | sorry, by mordred | 16:40 |
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mordred | yah | 16:51 |
mordred | that was originally just intended to be a quick stop-gap to get us off of mox | 16:51 |
mordred | but, we all know how long stop-gaps stick around | 16:52 |
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SpamapS | sdague: oh, I wasn't aware of that. So, then the intention would be to port everything to mock eventually? | 17:02 |
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sdague | SpamapS: yes, we started making that a priority background churn task for mitaka when we discovered this | 17:31 |
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sdague | it's just... nova has 14023 unit tests | 17:32 |
sdague | and over 1000 of them still have mox | 17:32 |
sdague | so... takes time | 17:32 |
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SpamapS | sdague: yeah, I can only imagine. What a weird meta problem to run into. :-P | 17:36 |
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sdague | right, well, complex systems, emergent behavior, and all that :) | 17:37 |
harlowja | mriedem cool, will do | 17:37 |
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mriedem | i did point out the 14K nova unit tests in the governance repo change for making py3 a priority | 17:40 |
mriedem | i.e. "we have a ton of this stuff, so +1 on removing it, but not sure it's going tobe done in ocata" | 17:40 |
mriedem | which gets into the whole 'priorities' part of that thread | 17:40 |
mriedem | reviewing mox -> mock conversion patches is like pulling teeth | 17:41 |
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mriedem | do that several thousand times with <10 active cores | 17:41 |
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sdague | mriedem: was that in the base patch or the py35 one? | 17:43 |
mriedem | let me check | 17:43 |
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mriedem | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/ | 17:44 |
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mriedem | "Speaking for Nova, as a goal I think is fine, and it's something we've been working toward for several releases, albeit a low priority item we generally hand off to newcomers.In reality, getting Nova completely moved over to py3 in Ocata is going to be stretch, given how much we're already skipping for tests:https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/tests-py3.txtNova currently has over 15000 unit/functional tests and we're averaging | 17:44 |
sdague | mriedem: yep, found it now | 17:44 |
sdague | right, so I think that aligns pretty much with what I put on the ML thread and in the base review | 17:44 |
mriedem | i should have probably also reiterated that in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349068/ | 17:45 |
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mriedem | i don't think i can go back and read the ML thread anymore | 17:45 |
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sdague | heh, that's fine | 17:45 |
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mriedem | but i basically agree with notmyname | 17:45 |
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mriedem | sdague: oh i see you said the same thing in the thread this morning | 17:46 |
sdague | mriedem: yeh | 17:46 |
mriedem | <bases covered/> | 17:46 |
sdague | and I didn't crib off your review comment | 17:47 |
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mriedem | well high five for that | 17:48 |
mriedem | soon we'll be completing each others... | 17:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/governance: Update Glance 'api' location https://review.openstack.org/356089 | 18:26 |
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sdague | stevemar / dstanek / dolphm did keystone change anything around token expiration / storage recently? | 18:28 |
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dolphm | sdague: how recently do you mean? | 18:29 |
stevemar | sdague: nothing recent-ish | 18:29 |
sdague | so this fail cluster all involves glance swing around with a token for keystone, and keystone saying "meh, no idea what you are talking about" | 18:30 |
sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/1d2248f/logs/screen-g-api.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 18:30 |
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dstanek | sdague: that 404 is because keystone doesn't think the token is valid | 18:31 |
dstanek | ? | 18:31 |
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sdague | dstanek: http://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/1d2248f/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz#_2016-08-16_17_11_03_706 | 18:32 |
sdague | so, I don't know | 18:33 |
sdague | it just says could not find token | 18:33 |
sdague | that's the timestamp that lines up with the fail | 18:33 |
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dstanek | sdague: so the first question i have is was it revoked? did this fail when we had that overly verbose logging on? | 18:39 |
sdague | dstanek: yes, it failed there as well, same thing | 18:39 |
sdague | if you want to dig through that 1G file linked earlier, a similar message is in there | 18:40 |
dstanek | sdague: let me see if i can find something there | 18:40 |
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sdague | it was this class of fail that tripped me over the giant log file problem | 18:40 |
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sdague | dstanek: here are the 954 lines from the keystone logs with the same request id - http://paste.openstack.org/show/558512/ | 18:43 |
sdague | oh, pastebin trucated.... | 18:44 |
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sdague | http://pastebin.com/FX1QNiBJ | 18:45 |
sdague | that one has the full list of log entries | 18:45 |
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bknudson | y, we can't have a debug log for each revocation event! | 18:46 |
sdague | the token not found is on line 4 | 18:47 |
sdague | the 3 items in the request before it don't seem relevant | 18:47 |
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dstanek | sdague: is this only a gate issue or can you reproduce locally? | 18:52 |
sdague | dstanek: I have not tried to locally reproduce | 18:52 |
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sdague | every gate fail I have seen today, is this | 18:52 |
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sdague | nikhil: can you pop over to #openstack-qa, there are all these glance test failures, and it's all pretty confusing | 19:01 |
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bknudson | dstanek: http://logs.openstack.org/10/352610/4/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-cells/1d2248f/logs/apache/keystone.txt.gz#_2016-08-16_17_11_03_706 looks like it's using uuid tokens. | 19:04 |
bknudson | oh, maybe dsvm is using uuid still. | 19:04 |
dstanek | hmmm | 19:05 |
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sdague | dstanek: I think that keystone token loss is unrelated to the overall fails | 19:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Appoint Dean Troyer as replacement for Morgan https://review.openstack.org/354633 | 20:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: describe a process for managing community-wide goals https://review.openstack.org/349068 | 20:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: add ocata goal "remove copies of incubated Oslo code" https://review.openstack.org/349070 | 20:56 |
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notmyname | ttx: you'll be at openstack east next week? | 21:07 |
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ttx | notmyname: I will, yes. | 21:09 |
ttx | all week | 21:09 |
notmyname | ttx: great. I will be there too (all week, for the ops meetup). looking forward to seeing you | 21:10 |
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ttx | I don't have commitments other than talking to various people, so it should definitely be possible | 21:10 |
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notmyname | same here. I'm going to talk to people face to face :-) | 21:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Eran Rom proposed openstack/governance: Storlets to become official - Proposed governance change https://review.openstack.org/353693 | 21:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Anne Gentle proposed openstack/governance: Revises technical debt wording and fix typos in goals document https://review.openstack.org/356156 | 23:05 |
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